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Overcoming Distractions-Thriving with ADHD, ADD
From Attention Deficit to Flourishing with Adult ADHD
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I'm Dave Greenwood and this is Overcoming Distractions. If you are an adult with adhd, a busy professional, an entrepreneur, a high achiever, or just need some strategies to navigate your adult adhd, you're in the right place. Who am I? I'm an entrepreneur with ADHD and the author of two books, Overcoming Distract and Overcoming Burnout. I coach and mentor people just like you, and together we navigate the ups and downs of adult adhd, from getting out of our own way to helping people just like you thrive in the workplace. That's what I do. Want more info on working with me? Hit overcoming distractions.com ready? Let's get to today's podcast. All right, everybody, we're back. Overcoming Distractions and you've landed on the podcast for the busy professional with Adult ADHD or adhd. Ish. As I say, you don't need an official diagnosis. If you think you have adhd and if you have just recently been diagnosed with adhd, which a lot of people who listen to this podcast fall into that category in the 30s, 40s and 50s, then you are definitely in the right place. So let's just dig into this because one thing I, I don't like when we're trying to thrive with our ADHD is the concept of hacks. The word is kind of always bothered me. I think hacks are temporary. We'll get into that with our guests in a moment and maybe they can shed some light into that. But I think a better approach is having a better understanding of our individual type flavor of adhd, how it affects us in home and business and everything else and, and how we can create maybe a longer term strategy, habits, etc. I think is a much better way of navigating the world with adhd. So I think that's what we're going to try and do today. So there is a new book out. This is April 2026. I believe it is out now, but it probably will be. Yes. Okay. By the time we actually hit the publish button, it's called Flourishing with Adult adhd. The Evidenced. Hear that evidence, guys? Evidence Based Guide to Client well Being for Therapists and Coaches. If you're not a therapist and you're not a coach, like many of you out there listening, don't just move on to the next show. Okay? There's a lot of really good information we're going to talk about that we're going to pull out of this book. So we have Liz Aman, a professor of health and wellness coaching at Notre Dame of Maryland University School of Integrative Health and director of research at Springer Institute. And Micah Saviot. Hope I got that right. Okay. A licensed clinical social worker in private practice at Adult Trauma and ADHD Solutions and director of Springer Institute. Now, did I get that right? Are we good?
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You're good. I'll just add also that we are both coaches.
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Oh, cool. Okay.
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She kind of mentioned with my university affiliation, but coaches with experience working with individuals with adhd. So that is a piece of what we bring to the puzzle.
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Great. Thus, thus part of the meat of the, of the, of the book. Right. And yeah, trying to, yeah. So. And offering your expertise from, from I'm sure your years of experience in that. So I want to, I want to start with, I think a lot of adults with adhd. We spend years and years focusing on maybe what's wrong with me, why can't I do this, why can't I get out of my own way? A lot of coaches and people come to me as well, you know, in, in fairness. Well, not fairness, in brutal honesty, let's word it that way. Where maybe it's a little, not late, but maybe they could have used a little coaching and mentoring before they got to the point where they actually made the call or sent the email or what have you. And I think it's because of those kind of negative experiences maybe they have, whether it's in business and in life. So what's the shift that happens with people in your experience when they start looking at their strengths instead? And is that difficult for some people?
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Yeah, that's such a great question. And to be transparent, it can be very difficult. Right. Well, we think a focus on strengths and successes is really a key shift for adults with adhd. And it's really this shift from this disability deficit, kind of medical model of viewing ADHD and neurodiversity to this really more neuroaffirming and strength based perspective that is largely an identity shift. When we're so used to being, thinking about what's not working well, how we don't measure up compared to neurotypical people,
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what we're not good at.
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Yeah. And it doesn't happen all at once, but it's absolutely possible for that to start to happen. And that's one thing that Liz and I lay out in this book, Flourishing with Adult adhd. Really pulling together, like you said, the research frameworks and a really practical guidance for coaches and therapists to support that shift towards more, well, being, hope and flourishing. And you know, it's interesting, even though we wrote this book for coaches and therapists.
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Yeah.
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A lot of folks with, you know, adults with ADHD themselves, individuals have been starting to share how affirming and supportive they find this book for themselves. And just seeing that there is a pathway forward to shifting, you know, towards looking at strengths away from that deficit mindset.
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And we just really think that's important and that's why we wrote the book. Just adults with ADHD really deserve a positive reframe. And our aim is to provide evidence based pathways that really can support moving in a more whole direction.
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A
Right. Yeah. Because I think, you know, before I hit the record button, we kind of jokingly talked about the, the to do lists and the, you know, the, the multiple ways in which we try and figure certain things out that maybe aren't working for us. Right. And I think many of us spend years trying to figure those things out. I mean, I'll plead guilty to that as well. Whether it was, you know, whether it was a digital to do list or whether it was a piece of paper or whether it was a, you know, a chalkboard on the kitchen counter, know those types of things. But I think a lot of us, I think spend. Expend a lot of energy trying to, you know, correct what we think is wrong. Right. I mean, that's just kind of, I don't know if that's how the ADHD brain is wired or the. Whether it's a kind of a learning curve to, to go on your way of more of like, you know, an evidence based type of, you know, habit building. Right.
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Yeah. I think you're pointing to something really good. I mean, there's a natural human tendency to notice what's wrong. It's kind of a survival instinct.
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Right.
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And it can be even more hardwired in people who grow up with ADHD and maybe were told they were wrong or told they were hyperactive or told to calm down or told to focus. So there's a lot of those messages that get embedded and really learning what our book is really about, learning how to understand yourself better and your brain
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C
wiring, the structural and functional differences in your brain and your nervous system related to executive functioning. You know, these are chapters we have related to motivational differences. Right. And this is a different way of looking at things because you may have been comparing yourself what you thought you should be doing to neurotypical people who have completely different brains than you.
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B
It's like the square peg in the round hole. If you're this square peg, how you gonna operate as a square peg rather than trying to be a round peg, which you're not.
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Well, yeah, and I think you bring up a good point. I've used this example a thousand times. It's nothing new. But you know me, somebody who grew up in the, you know, mid to late 60s, I think there was a lot of that. There was a misunderstanding of kids like us. You know, we, we had the, literally the, the typical, you know, Dave needs to try harder, Dave needs to pay attention. You know, Dave needs to complete his work. We were sent to detention. All these things that just. And then you brought that report card home. And I think some parents then fueled that fire by saying, okay, why'd you get a D? And you bring these things into adult life until you realize, as I mentioned earlier, like, a late diagnosis, and then things start to kind of like, make a little more sense, Right?
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B
Yeah, absolutely. And I think the, the population, so to speak, that you focus your podcast on is really, like, high performing people, many of whom functioned, got by, you know, got through school, you know, whatever, whatever, you know, and got good jobs and hit a wall at some point because you can only cope for so long. And then, you know, you find out, oh, you have adhd. So what does that mean for you? In fact, there was a 2025 study that looked at a few women who had gone through ADHD coaching after an adult diagnosis. And one of the big pieces for them, in addition to learning, you know, some executive functioning skills that weren't in their own toolboxes, was really reconstructing a sense of themselves and recalibrating their identity.
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C
Identity focus shifts shift about identity. Once you learn about your brain and the way it works, it's an identity shift.
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Yeah. So for that busy person, the demanding career, the entrepreneur that listens to this, how do they begin to identify natural strengths? How do they begin to change that conversation with themselves?
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Yeah, I think I'll start with a thought and then I'll ask Liz. I think in my mind, the simplest way to do that is begin to shift the questions from what's not going well? What's not working for me? How. How am I not measuring up? And why are things so hard? Shifting it to, well, what is working right now? What's going on right here, right now? And for many adults with adhd, that can be a profound shift to just slow down and ask what is going well? And then on a deeper level, drilling in and saying, what am I doing that's contributing to making this work? What strengths am I bringing that's making this small thing work well right now and that that helps us to shift away from this kind of very common negative mindset that we've been talking about. And this easy kind of blanket statements, black and white, thinking of nothing's working. And it begins to build new neural pathways tapping into neuroplasticity that can help us to shift our mindset and start to celebrate these small wins in an affirming way. And we have a whole chapter in our book about small wins.
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Yeah. The other thing that comes to mind for me in this, and some people in various business settings and some coaches and people who've been coached may be familiar with the term appreciative inquiry. It's really a process of looking at where are the pieces that work or have worked well and what are the strengths and values and so forth that you were using there. Okay, let's look at that. How can you apply that to where you want to go? I think also, you know, for people who are really interested in digging into strengths, there's an online survey that you can do for free called the Via or Values in Action assessment. And that can also kind of help you begin to put names to various strengths. And you can see what are you using often, what do you want to try to use more? And it can be. There's a whole lot of material on that website that you can also purchase, but it can really be a way to see new things about yourself you might not have considered.
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Yeah, you, you mentioned the word pause, and I think that's, that's a difficult concept for many people with adhd. Would you agree?
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Yeah, super difficult. Right. Particularly, you know, high performing entrepreneurs and leaders. Right. This idea of like, well, why should I pause? Like, time is money, you know, like, I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going. You know, what, what is, what is a mindfulness practice gonna do for me?
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Right.
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But what we're really seeing is that, you know, in even our book, we share a very simple mindfulness practice called the STOP Mindfulness Practice. Okay, Right. Which is this, you know, acronym that stands for spirit. Stop Pause. Even if every part of your being says don't pause, it is pause, you know, And I have my clients put a stop sign up in their offices so they can see this, so they can take this mindful moment, take a breath. I often invite folks to take three deep breaths, just take a minute to observe. Observe what's happening in your body, observe what's happening around you. Kind of pull out, get more of a macro view. And then, you know, p is proceed mindfully Take your next mindful action. And there's a lot of research now coming in to say that, you know, these mindful pauses, practicing mindfulness formal, formally, informally, there's actually a high roi, Right? There's actually a high return on investment
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for people with adhd.
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For people with adhd.
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Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, we've done. And we're doing more episodes on that emotional regulation piece rather than just, okay, here's. Here's 20 minutes on how to build your to do list or, you know, etc. Etc. Like, my. My argument would be, you know, you might have a better to do list if you practice pausing during the course of the week. Right. Because you'd have time to, like, slow the brain down. Right. Or not so much. I don't know. Is that true? Slow the brain down or just give it. Give it the. Give it the. The room it deserves to. To sort certain things out.
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Right, you do, actually, and Micah's really an expert in this. But change your neural pathways, Develop additional pathways. So it's like a slowing, but it also is profound in what it changes. We have a chapter on mindfulness in our book that draws a lot on the work of psychiatrist Lydia Zyloska, who's done a lot in that realm. And also a chapter on self compassion, drawing a lot on the work of Kristin Neff and Chris Germer, because we think those pieces are about coming to who you are. In some ways.
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Yeah, it is a slowing down. But I also really passionate about the importance of recognizing that there's a neuroplastic change that happens when we do mindfulness. Mindfulness helps to promote neuroplasticity, creating new pathways for self regulation. Mindfulness, emotional regulation, self compassion. These are all challenges for those of us with adhd. So when we offer the. I always tell my clients, five minutes of mindfulness a day is the best investment you can make now for yourself next year.
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Yeah. So I know there's a lake up the street here. I'm up in the northeast, so I can get there three seasons out of the year. So it's about two and a half miles. It's gorgeous. It's quiet. It's nature. There's water. But I know that if I. When I get out of my car and start walking around the lake, by the time I get back to my car, 45 minutes or later, I feel different. I've actually. I'm more capable of solving problems or sorting things out or. Or having more rational thoughts, if you will. Okay, is that. Is. Is that an Example of neuroplasticity or is it just because I almost feel like the pathways have been opened up, they've been kind of cleared out.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So that is an example of neuroplasticity and that's an example of, you know, building the capacity to, to really come back to our thinking brain. Right. Because when we're in the hustle and bustle of every day decision making, all this stuff, it really activates some of the threat centers of our brain.
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Yeah.
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You know, decision making in a high pressure environment is stressful and we shift more into the amygdala and the limbic system part of our brain. And when we do that.
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Which is reactive.
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Yeah, yes. Yeah, that's reactive. That's a reactive state.
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State.
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So we are not as thoughtful and we're not as focused on overall trajectory and a larger vision that we're working with. We actually lose blood flow to the thinking part of our brain where our executive functions are housed. So what you're describing is a return to nature, a return back to the thinking part of our brain and a cleansing of that cortisol, that adrenaline rush that we get from during the rest of our day.
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And having that as a habit brings you back and helps you know how to get back there.
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Yeah, I just, I've talked to more people over the years and you ask that basic question about, do you pause maybe in the morning before you sit down at your desk or before you get in the car? And I can tell you the, the majority is very high of, you know, adults in, in busy professions or running businesses that don't. They literally just, they get up, they do their thing and they just jump into things headfirst and they're kind of wondering why they're meeting challenges throughout the day, in the week, etc. Etc. So I think you're, you're making a strong case if people are listening to find some way to implement mindfulness isn't sitting up on top of the mountain. Right. And you know, it's just like my friend Chris says, it's like keeping the main thing, the main thing right. Like it could be gardening, it could be walking, it could be going to the gym, it could be yoga. Right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And for me, I have a very busy mind. So one thing I like is listening to a yoga NIDRA recording.
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Yes.
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Because it slows me down and then I also get better. So it helps me, because my mind is busy, to have that to focus on rather than trying to just be open to whatever there are a Lot of ways of approaching it. Absolutely.
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And that's what we outlined in our chapter too. There's many ADHD informed mindfulness. Right. This is not sitting down cross legged for 45 minutes. There are many really low hanging fruit ways to access mindfulness for the, for our brains with adhd.
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Right, yeah. So for the people listening that are in those demanding careers, they, they do default to that. Let's just fix this perceived weakness or this thing that I'm struggling with. And that's just kind of how they attack the day. Right. So how do we help someone or help ourselves kind of rebalance that energy to maybe have a little more awareness about those strengths, I guess, without neglecting the things that we actually need to do.
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Right, yeah, yeah, great question. We talked about the neurobiological underpinning of this. Right. But when we're in this constant pressure state, we tend to default, zoning in on these weaknesses and awareness of this neurobiological explanation. There's a phenomenon happening in my brain and nervous system right now. Can be sometimes enough to practice mindfulness and shift back towards that creative thinking brain, bring that back online. Other times, somatic practices can be really helpful. That's more what I focus on in my own clinical practice.
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There's also a simple exercise and we do have this among other things in our book. If you really find you're revved up, just take a moment to notice something with each of your senses and that pulls you back, anchors you back in the present moment. So there are many ways to sort of come back online as your whole self.
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I, I have not had the chance to get through the whole book in full disclosure, but is there, is there a focus on the nervous system within the, the book? Is there? Because I think some of us maybe struggle with that and don't really understand it. Like, I think a lot of us feel that like all the stresses in our head. Right. But I think a lot of it is trapped in our body. So have you done any work on, on the. I know, mindfulness helps the nervous system, right. And other type of modalities. But, but what other things did you find?
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Yeah, that. That's a great question. Right. So there's a couple of different, you know, ways that we do, you know, approach the nervous system in this book. Right. First, when we were talking about mindfulness and part of these cultivating fundamentals that this is a whole section in our book, right. Where we talk about executive functioning, health and wellness. Right. Like if we're not meeting these taking care of ourselves needs that we have for sleep, hydration, nutrition, these fundamental building blocks. Right. Our nervous system is gonna have a much harder time of finding safety. So we introduce A Wellness Wheel 8 HD Informed Wellness Wheel that we offer in our book. And this other like big heavy hitter for, you know, nervous system and regulation is this self compassion. Draw from Kristin Neff's work. Mark Burton also is a proponent of this in the ADHD space. And there's just so much research about the role of self compassion in regulation, particularly something that's very lacking for those of us adults with adhd and something that can help us build resilience, you know, and self worth. And then we had a whole section on a whole other section, weirdly call it Expanding Thoughts and Perspectives where we address, you know, some of those beliefs. Right. Because certain ways of thinking and perspectives can, can kind of keep our brain and our nervous system stuck in a more of a hyper vigilant state and be less open to finding, you know, accessing our strengths like we're talking about. So we have a lot of creative ways that we share of addressing thoughts and perspectives. And one whole chapter is devoted to really what we call embracing adhd.
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Yeah, we think it's so important. Absolutely. Like, because if you really understand, like you were saying, your nervous system, your. How your brain works, your executive functioning, how you're motivated, where you get stressed, the more you really understand yourself as a person with adhd, you really expand your self concept. Yeah, you, you really need that awareness to build from. You can't operate only out of fear and get there or only out of deficit and get there. So it's like, what can you embrace about your adhd? Who are you? And get a broader sense of yourself and also connecting as your podcast does, you know, who are the other people who can understand you? And really in that way, building on the best of who you are.
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Yeah, no one. I think that that is. You know, I work with many entrepreneurs, business owners, and sometimes they do need to kind of figure out the to do list and they have to figure out their workflow and everything else. I mean, that's just, you know, it is what it is. I find a lot of people just want to have some time with somebody that gets them, as you say, because I think a lot of, especially maybe like a business owner or somebody in a demanding career, there really aren't that many people around them that they can talk to. I think even the spouse might fall into that category where like, I need to sort some issues out. I don't necessarily need to be coached, I need to hang out with somebody who actually gets what I'm going through and understands exactly what I'm going through. Right. I mean, that's that community, whether it's one on one or, you know.
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Right, yeah, absolutely. In fact, because we're research nerds, there are a number of studies that are really pointing to that. In the ADHD space and around ADHD coaching, people really value having someone to work with who understands adhd and they don't have to explain or defend themselves. They're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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it's being known and you can start to unmask too.
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Right, Exactly.
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So that's why, like, you know, and this book is great, like, if you are someone with ADHD and you feel like, you know, people in your life, whether those be providers that you're working with or whether those be family members, like, share this book with them so that they can start to understand so you don't have to always keep explaining why you do what you do.
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Yeah.
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Each chapter we have a framework. Like, for example, one framework is self determination and in the focus is fostering agency and autonomy. And we explain the theory there and then we dig into like, how is this really relevant to people with adhd? Why does it matter how, how might it have been challenging based on the way you grew up? And then practically, okay, so what can be done? What steps can a coach or therapist help support an adult with? Or what can you try? So it's really all of our chapters are kind of like that kind of foundation and then like, where do you go with it? Yeah, that's really the. What we hope will be helpful to everyone.
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You mentioned the word safety. So can you elaborate that in the context of maybe that busy person with adhd, the demanding career, the house, the two kids, the, you know, everything going on. Because I think you're right. I think people, when they have a, a level of safety, and we can define that and I guess many ways, whether it's just job security, finances, etc. Etc. You know, but how high on the list would you say that was in terms of your work and, and allowing somebody to actually thrive as an adult with adhd?
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Yeah, I think finding your own safety within is where you can grow from rather than just continue coping.
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And it's a challenge because so many people with ADHD have felt out of place and have had so many, you know, negative experiences about their abilities related to executive functioning and history of masking and camouflaging not being your true authentic selves. Right. And having to try to kind of cope just to fit in and get by. And it's really part of this shift that we talked about in the beginning of like, you know, this is neurodivergence and this is not something wrong. This is the way my brain is. And being able to tap into self compassion and finding safety also comes with acknowledgement and celebration.
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Right.
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Being able to say this is what I'm doing and I'm good at this. Like that shift we talked about before, instead of everything that's wrong, this is what is going well.
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Yeah. And taking that in, I think it's so important. There's an old coaching competency about acknowledgement and celebration and we just didn't want to let that go as we made a whole chapter around it. Because really coming to being able to afford firm yourself is so important and sometimes it takes a while to figure out how to get there.
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Yeah, no, we're pretty good at beating ourselves up.
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Absolutely. That's like the default neural pathway. Let's build a new one, right?
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No, And I think yeah. And as you say, that's kind of a, kind of a mindset shift. So as we wrap up, I always like to leave people with things they can think about, ponder or even put into action. So for people who have kind of resonated with what you've said in our time together, but they feel stuck, overwhelmed, maybe overly focused on those limitations, what are some small steps, maybe meaningful, powerful steps they can take, you know, this week, this month, tonight, to shift that more towards that kind of strength based thinking, mindset, etc.
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C
Yeah, great, great question to come to mind. For me. I'm curious what Liz has to think that the first simple one is what we've been talking about. Self compassion. I've not met an adult with adhd, particularly those in more high performing jobs and positions who is comfortable with self compassion. Let me know if you find someone who is.
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If you're out there, reach out to us.
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We're out about cultivating them, so maybe in a few years you'll find one.
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This is key for individuals with adhd. I invite you to check out Kristin Neff's Self Compassion website. Try it out.
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Simple exercises.
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Very simple. Several minute long exercises.
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I have another idea that I really like to share too. It might sound cheesy, but really even in my own life it's been very powerful, which is to commit to one very small, joyful, nourishing act. Maybe think of something you've loved in the past and give yourself 20 minutes to do it for me. I had a period of feeling really stuck. And I happen to have loved quilting and fabric and color and texture. And when I was really stuck, I saw this webinar on quilting, and I was like, just, you know, okay, this is one hour. I feel really busy, but let me just do this. And it honestly opened the door.
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Yeah.
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And then I learned about more webinars. And then eventually I found my way back to the fabric store, you know, and started feeding myself. So really. Okay, what the teeny tiny joy. I could stick my toe through the door crack, Right?
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Yeah.
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That can really begin to shift your energy.
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And I'll just build on that. Right. What we're talking about here is, you know, a shift towards something called growth mindset, which is a research based, evidence based, you know, a lot of research supporting this shift from a fixed mindset to a growth mindset. We're talking about expanding one's perception of what's possible. And that, you know, gratitude can really help with that.
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That's big.
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It's a huge amount of research talking about just, you know, simply writing down one, you know, one, three, or even five things that you're grateful for. The beginning of the day, the end of the day. Right. It can be something that happened. It can be new cup of coffee. It can be flower that's blooming, really anything. And. And there's research that shows that that starts to shift our brain. Right.
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Again, that neuroplasticity.
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Because I'm focused on the weeds in my yard already. It's April, and I'm like, I'm trying to find some color, right. Other than other than the green weeds, you know, so one last question is, in your. In your research, in your work, was there anything putting this book together that shocked is the wrong word, but maybe surprised you or there was some kind of maybe earth shattering conclusion to something that, that you. That. That you found in, in putting this book together.
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I think for me, it was almost what stimulated us to write this book. We had done a research study interviewing experienced ADHD coaches to look at what are the key elements that makes ADHD coaches coaching stand out. And there was this consistent recognition that coaches who work with adults were always helping people address shame. And we, you know what, we knew that in experience too. But it's just such a devastating thought that so many adults with ADHD are carrying around shame. And it was really from those conversations with those very experienced coaches that we were spurred to write this book. To say that is not the only way. And here are evidence based approaches that can really change the narrative. So I think for us it was that realization which was disturbing that led to us saying, you know, let's really look at this differently.
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And I'll say from the therapist side of things. Right. I so frequently meet therapists who don't understand adult adhd. Yeah, some therapists understand ADHD in adolescents or children, but I am always like, oh my gosh, you really don't get adult adhd. And I, for a long time I've been wondering how to fill that gap, how to fill that void and really help therapists not have another treatment manual, not have another intervention set, but help adults with ADHD move towards well being and flourishing instead of just addressing or correcting deficits which so many therapists, so many therapists get our training to correct a deficit, to treat something. But that's what motivated me also is like, let's give evidence based frameworks in order to help therapists move adults towards well being.
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A
Yeah, no, I think that's, that's a, that's a great point. So cool. All right, so I will, I will link the book in the show notes, as us podcasters say, and then, I don't know, is there a, is there a website that you'd like to have people go to?
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C
Yeah, they can definitely go to my website. I'll share that with you as well. Liz and I both coach out of Pathways Ahead. Pathways Ahead is our coaching practice. My therapy business, I license in Maryland, Virginia and dc. I'm more focused on nervous system work and trauma work around neurodivergence among the neurodivergence adults. That's adult trauma and ADHD solutions.
- [37:14]
B
We'll also link you to our research website where people who might be interested in research can find some of the work we've done with the research so
- [37:23]
A
they can really geek out if they want to.
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C
Thatspringerinstitute.org Liz and I have been doing research on ADHD coaching, you know, for over eight years now. And we have a lot of open access articles there. We have a whole database you can sign up on our mailing list.
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A
Cool. Thanks for sharing all that knowledge. I know we could go on forever and maybe we just need to have you back and continue this because I think there's more of a craving to dig into more than just the to do list and blocking out time and, you know, tying a string around your finger.
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B
So thank you so much for making time to talk to us. We're grateful.
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A
Absolutely. All right, thanks guys. Thank you.
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B
Take care.