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Overcoming Distractions-Thriving with ADHD, ADD
Transformative Approaches to Healing and Wellness For Adults with ADHD
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I'm Dave Greenwood, and this is Overcoming Distractions. If you are an adult with adhd, a busy professional, an entrepreneur, a high achiever, or just need some strategies to navigate your adult adhd, you're in the right place. Who am I? I'm an entrepreneur with ADHD and the author of two books, Overcoming Distract and Overcoming Burnout. I coach and mentor people just like you, and together we navigate the ups and downs of adult adhd, from getting out of our own way to helping people just like you thrive in the workplace. That's what I do. Want more info on working with me? Hit overcoming distractions.com ready? Let's get to today's podcast. All right, everybody, we're back. It's Overcoming Distractions, and this is the place for you, the busy person with ADHD, the CEO, the PhD, the marketing director, the business owner, entrepreneur, wherever you fall into that category. But you're all welcome. So. But that is the. The. The. The type of things we discuss is. Is to help you sort out life as a person with ADHD or if you think you have adhd. So. And I like to say we don't need a piece of paper to join here. So I'm gonna dig right into this because it's something that, as you know, we've talked about burnout here numerous times. I wrote a book about burnout, and I'm thinking of tweaking it a little bit to. To add. To dig in more to the experience of what it feels like to be chronically stressed or burned out. And I think a lot of, you know, out there with ADHD can probably relate to this conversation, but I think a lot of us have fallen into that category of chronic stress. Life happens, business happens, demands increase, throw in other responsibilities, such as kids, caregiving, some of us are taking care of aging parents, so to speak. And this conversation starts to get a little more complicated. Burnout, chronic stress, I don't think is as easy as people think. It's a complex thing. And then we throw in adhd. You, the busy professional, maybe you're a business owner, and we get into operating in some type of mode, and boom, we find ourselves not feeling like ourselves anymore. And I know many of you have felt this way from time to time. Maybe you're going through it right now. So I want to explore not only how and why some of us maybe can feel this way sometimes, or maybe we're feeling this way right now, but maybe some different modalities to make ourselves feel like ourselves again. Right? So. So I have Dana Hargis. She is the founder of Restore and ada. I think I got that right.
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Yes.
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Okay. Awesome. All right. Trauma Informed Wellness and Education Center. It's designed to help people calm their nervous systems, build resilience, and create some real change in our daily lives. And Dana is also the owner of Biofeedback and Counseling. And we're going to, we're going to learn more about what that is and how it might be able to help you. So welcome to Overcoming Distractions.
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Thank you. I'm happy to be here.
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Yeah. Would you give us the 62nd version of kind of where your expertise lies and how you help people and some of the types of people you help and then we could kind of really dig into this topic.
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Yes. Well, I've been a mental health counselor for the last 25 years. And it's like as you begin to talk to people for a living, you begin to learn that there are some things you're not going to talk better. And I feel like I've done a really good job of finding alternative ways to get us where we need to go when talk just isn't enough.
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Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. I think what I learned in writing my book, Overcoming Burnout, is I think there's definitely a place for talking something through and understanding what's going on in our lives. But the thing I've learned is it, it, it's kind of rooted a little more deeply when we get into that burnout and chronic stress and in that kind of area. So I want to, I want people to understand and I'm always learning, I'm completely open to that. But I want people to understand trauma and stress also as it kind of relates to the ADHD brain as well. So for high performing people, ADHD or not, what does, you know, how does chronic stress or even unresolved trauma. Because I think one of the things that I kind of learned and do, you know, looking at burnout is, you know, some people actually, when they get to burnout, they are experiencing some level of trauma. So how does that show up in the brain and how does that show up in the body? I'm sure there's a hundred ways, but maybe, maybe some of the question. Right, but, but some of the more common things that people. And maybe some uncommon ways.
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Well, I feel like that. Let's start with the thought of trauma. It's interesting. I was talking to a friend recently and we were talking about, she's a therapist too, and we were talking about how the older generation, when you ask them, and older, I would mean people in their 50s, 60s, above, you ask them, did you have trauma? And they say no. And then the younger generation, the people in their teens, 20s, early 30s, they think a hangnails trauma. It's very weird because the folks that say we have no trauma, then as you begin to talk, at some point you see like, oh, my mom passed away when I was 11. I lived with these people and they didn't treat me well. And this happened like, and, and I'm like, you know, just for the record, these things are traumatic. Good for you that you're not wallowing in them.
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Right.
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But also it's, it's, it's also permissible to say, wow, that was really hard. And maybe it would do me some good to talk about it or to process that those emotions or to identify the things that, when I was a child, that happened to me and maybe how they could still drive some of my decisions that I make today.
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Yeah.
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And when we say, what, how, how does that impact us? Frankly, it impacts everything our life builds, the lenses we look through. If you think from, I believe from conception, if you want to go back before that and you talk about generational things, even those kind of things are still impacting us now, but, but at least from conception forward, because we know through a lot of literature, a really great book to explore that is called the Body Keeps the Score.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, we've mentioned it and I have it.
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It helps you understand that whether, even if you don't remember your trauma, your body does. And anything that happens to you before your verbal, you will never be able to talk about it. If you didn't have words when it happened, you won't have words for it now. Even if you know it happened, you still, you can't process that verbally. So, so your body's trying to process that. Your body's trying to figure out what to do all the time.
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I, I've said that I don't think there's a better titled book out there than the Body Keeps the Score. And I think when people dig into it, and if you haven't heard me talk about it before people, it can be a difficult read for some people. You might have to, you know, pick it up and put it down and, and read it in chunks because it does get into some, you know, serious discussions. But when you start to kind of dig into this, you realize that the, the title of the book, they nailed it. Okay, that, that's my opinion because, because we don't. And I'll take the busy person with ADHD who's maybe running a business or you know, they're in the C suite, so to speak. I think there's a lot of things going on in their head, racing thoughts, all the things that we kind of associate with adhd. But over time that does affect, you know, everything in our body. Right. I mean, everything from, you know, headaches, back pain, digestive issues, etc. Etc. The list can go on.
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Correct, Correct. And I think that every physical problem we have was an emotional problem first. And I know that's a big statement, but there's lots of literature out there that imply that. And there's some literature out there that actually says, yes, that's, you know, that's the case. But just after 25 years of observation of thousands of people, like it's. What I see is an undealt with emotion becomes a physical problem. It doesn't mean the physical problems not real because some people are insulted by that. Like that statement would make somebody think. You think, it's all in my head. And I'm like, no, it just started there. It's not in your head. Your back really does hurt and you really are having. And I mean, they say that anywhere from 85 to 90 plus percent of medical issues have a strong stress component.
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Yeah.
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So if we manage our stress and our nervous system, we are going to better manage our life.
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Yeah. I have Dr. David Clark coming up here in a couple weeks and he wrote, wrote a book, I'm gonna screw up the title, so forgive me, but basically they can't find anything wrong. It was, it was written, I don't know, about 15 years ago. But it does talk about people who have gone through a lot of stress. They go to Dr. And they go to another doctor and another doctor and they can't find anything wrong. And I think, I think it does warrant people's attention, if you will, to start to think about maybe is there something else causing what's going on with me? So I know I've experienced it in overcoming burnout. I talked to a woman by the name of Jen, who, very demanding career, New York City, digestive issues, losing weight, everything else. She went to some of the best doctors and hospitals and clinics in the country. And she, one of her friends said, hey, come to a meditation class with me. And she's like, oh, what the hell? I mean, you know, and, and that, and I'm not, don't misunderstand me by saying this, but you know, in one class she, she came out of it. She's like, I didn't know I could feel like this.
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Right.
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And, you know, she, she, she since has, you know, made it a regular practice, almost a daily practice. So I'm not suggesting that one meditation class is going to change your life, but it did change over time, her, her systemic kind of issues that she was dealing with. So.
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And if you don't deal with the problems, you won't get better, like, whatever is wrong. And I used to have these thoughts, like, and I don't even think I voiced them. I think I just had them, that there's, like, some things that I'll be able to help someone. Like, if somebody came in with headaches and migraines, I knew that if we did biofeedback and we began to work on the stress level they had in their life and get better coping skills, that it was very likely those headaches would go away. But then if somebody showed up and they had, say, nerve pain, I would think, well, as we lower your stress, maybe you won't hurt as much. But what I found is, like, I've even had people that had severe chronic nerve pain that saw specialists and we did multiple interventions. And I have to say that people that recover from things like that are clients that are willing to do the work.
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Yeah.
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They don't just show up and say, work a miracle. They go home and they do the things we talk about and they, they continue to come back and they're willing to gain insight. But as they do, like, you know, I have a lady because I still see her occasionally, every six or eight weeks, she'll come in and, like, she had significant nerve pain in her feet and ears for 25 years and saw a specialist every single year. And she has never been back to the specialist. She doesn't take any medication anymore, and she has no pain in her feet and her ears anymore. And if she has it, she calls and says, hey, I'm really upset with my mom and my feet are hurting. Can I come in? I'm like, sure. And we work through that, we do a little biofeedback, and she's good to go again. So I just have. Have found that there are very few things that if you manage stress, that don't get better.
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Right? Yeah. And I'm going to have you describe biofeedback shortly. But for people in those demanding careers, and I'll just say ADHD or not, I think adhd, we. It complicates it because just the way our brains work and race and, you know, et Cetera, et cetera. Everybody knows what I'm talking about out there. But can you kind of distinguish the difference between kind of normal pressure or stress and more harmful chronic stress? Because I think every one of us has something that is causing some stress in our life. Right. It doesn't matter if, you know, I forgot to take out the trash. I, you know, whatever, you know, and, and then up, up those to, you know, you know, financial things and, you know, work and et cetera, et cetera. But can you just briefly explain the difference between just that kind of normal stress that we deal with and chronic stress, which is harmful over time?
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I guess in my mind, the simplest discriminator would be normal stress. Like when you take care of something, it stops.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's like, oh, no, I forgot my, you know, purse at home. And then you go home and get your purse and you're like, oh, great, I have it. I can move on. And it's like the stress lifts. But I find most people live in a state of chronic stress, often not even knowing why they actually feel that way at this moment. It's like, yes, my kids aren't doing well, or my husband upset me, or, you know, just a lot of it might be normal things, but it's like the stress doesn't end. It just rolls on and gets compounded by the new stressors.
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Right. And that's the type of stress, chronic stress, that begins to attack the nervous system.
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Correct. Because when we have chronic stress and trauma and they do go hand in hand, I think that most people that are in a rolling form of stress have had trauma, like if they just cannot get it under them. And I think there's a trauma piece in there. But there's also, like, sometimes I think we traumatize ourselves. We don't sleep enough, we don't eat right, we don't exercise in any kind of normal way, or we do a HIIT class that lasts 90 minutes five times a week.
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It's.
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It's like we don't modulate well. Like, what do I need to do to take care of me? And what does that look like? Well, people come in with panic attacks carrying a monster drink. To me, that feels crazy. You're drinking massive amounts of protein and you're crying because you can't stop having panic attacks. And you haven't thought to put that down and get yourself some water. That doesn't make sense to me. But that is the state of our society, society right now. And I don't think it's stupidity as much as it is, it's almost like we've abdicated the responsibility for our own body to others, to a doctor, to, you know, it's like we don't even think how. We wouldn't dare drive our car without gas or changing the oil or, you know, doing the things and then be surprised when the car burned up. But we do not even have a great understanding. What can I do to settle my body down? And shouldn't I do that every single day and not wait until the weekend and crash?
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I'm not bashing traditional medicine, so I just want to make that statement. But I will say that most of the people I interviewed for overcoming Burnout went to a doctor, Went to another doctor, went to another doctor. I don't think in any case of people I've talked to, either for the book or after the. The doctor sat down and said, what's going on in your life? What's your job look like? What's, you know, are you. Are you stressed out about anything? Are you, you know, are you. Are you in the sandwich generation? Are you, you know, whatever the, you know, and. And I just think, you know, the cynical me says there's a dollar figure because they're like, all right, let's go run a blood test. Let's go to this lab, go see this specialist that, you know. But the other part of me is like, I just wonder why they don't ask the obvious question. Right, right.
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But I feel like there's a lot of reasons why, one of which is, you know, I have medical clients, so I have a new level of compassion that I didn't used to have. When I hear them upset about the fact that they have 12 minutes to do their job to make sure somebody doesn't die. I mean, it's an important job to limit to say, and obviously they could stay. Stay longer, but then they don't meet their quota. And then if they don't meet their quota, this happens and that happens. And you're supposed to, like, it's a little bit crazy to me. I can't imagine if somebody gave me 12 minutes and it. And said, get it done. You know, that doesn't seem reasonable. So our entire system is built. And then the other thing is, they aren't trained on the practical end of things. They haven't spent a lot of time learning about nutrition. They haven't spent a lot of time learning about what supplements might be helpful. And honestly, the American Board of Medical Whatever does not approve of them talking about supplements. So our system is very ineffective.
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Yeah, no, I mean, that's a fair point, because I do take my father to medical visits. And you're right. It's like some of them are like 12 minutes, and then they, you know, you're out the door. Yeah, so. So, yeah, so I can. I can totally get that. So if somebody is feeling chronically stressed or they're just not feeling themselves and they suspect trauma is going on in their body, what are even some of those subtle signs that people should look out for? Because I can tell you, at least from people in this community, the adult ADHD community, is that we do get accustomed to operating in a certain way. You know, meeting demands of clients and your boss and your supervisor, you know, if you're in a, you know, a larger role, you know, stockholders, board of directors, etc. Etc. You know, so I think we get. I dare say it. Accustomed to feeling a certain way. So what are some of the subtle signs that people should be more aware of?
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Well, I feel like just noticing your body. Do you have tension in your back, neck, or shoulders as you're standing? Stomach upset? Are you clenching your teeth? Does your head hurt? You know, are you. Are you uncomfortable in your own skin? And if you're spending your days and your nights. Many people say I can't even relax when I go to bed. You know, if you're spending your days and your nights there, I feel like those are very. Not just subtle signs. Very. Is your heart racing too fast? Are you sweating for no reason? Like, physiologically you should be able to settle. And if you cannot settle, then you need to look at why and start doing things to move yourself into a place where you do feel relaxed and safe.
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Yeah. In terms of the nervous system, because I. Again, going back to that, you know, what we mentioned in the beginning is like, I think a lot of people think not in your head, like you're just dreaming of it, but like the stress is carried in our head. It's a lot more complex than that. So what. What does it mean when somebody's nervous system is. And I'm not even sure what the term to use is in overload or override or taxed or regulated. Dysregulated. Okay, that's great. Okay, thank you. So what. What is going on? I. You know, I think one thing I will say about ADHDers is we kind of do want to understand what's going on, you know, with us, so.
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Well, I think a simple explanation is when. When faced with a problem, and it can be a very you know, that can be, you know, my boss yelled at me. Or that can be I had a car wreck or my mom died. You know, like, problems can, can absolutely run the gamut. But when face faced with a problem, we are not able to regulate. So what tends to be happening with that extreme dysregulation is what we call fight, flight, or freeze. The brain is kicking into those states, and it's like the brain thinks there's a hurricane, and the brain is preparing for a hurricane. You can die in a hurricane. Your windows can get blown out. All these things can happen. And in reality, it's just sprinkling. But the brain is absolutely of the belief that we could perish in any moment. But it's like, well, it's just raining. We don't even really need an umbrella if we run. You know, it's like, this is not a big deal, but the brain takes its cues from our thoughts and our words. If you think about, like, what happens in the brain when we're constantly saying, oh, no. Like, you hear people that when the phone rings, they say, what now? Like it. And really, it might. It might just be a telemarketer or it might be a friend that wants to invite you to a birthday party, or, you know, it could be something good.
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But some of us think the phone rings and it's an angry client or it's your boss ready to yell at you. We've like, we're. Now we start to, like, assume that that phone call is negative.
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Right, Right. So we are conditioning ourselves that everything's bad. Well, when we tell the brain that everything's bad, the brain is constantly scanning the environment for bad things. And if we can alter that, if we can begin to calm that system. And that is a complex process depending upon the level of dysregulation. But for some people, it's as simple as waking up and saying, oh, I'm safe. Like, literally out loud, you tell your body, I am safe. I am. Okay, I am. Because what we're really doing a lot of times is we're saying, I wonder what's going to happen today? Like, we're literally priming the brain to see things from the, from the point of view that they're bad. And if we can. And that's what gratitude works. There's so many simple things we can do is to begin to retrain that process.
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Yeah, well, that's. That's what I wanted to ask you, but I think you're right. And I'm going to completely plead guilty on this one is, I think, when. When I was really burned out. This was after Covid, running my PR firm, and many other things going on. As many of us experienced during that time. I was that classic case of I could sleep 10 hours and the alarm would go off and I felt like I hadn't sleep 10 minutes, you know, but I would literally roll over and start the day like, I'm so effing tired. I'm so effing tired. You know, I started the day messaging my brain with negative thoughts. So. And I'm. I'm guessing that's a common thing, right?
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It sure is a common thing. And the thing is, is that kind of thing changed. It's astounding the win that you can get if you'll take the first five minutes you wake up and lay in bed and encourage yourself.
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Yeah.
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In whatever way that feels encouraging to you. If you have a faith, implement your faith. Spend some time praying. Spend some time thinking about your blessings. You know, it's like, I have grandkids. If I don't know what else to think about, I'll think about them. Because I know that's a quick. That's a quick sweetness in my spirit. It's like, oh, that makes me happy. And if you think about, you know, and if I think about my day, if I'm running through my day in my head and I come to something that I know that is hard, I will. I'll just stop because my inclination is, like, great. And then I'll just stop and say, no, I am grateful for the work that I get to do. I am grateful to help people that needed them most. That's a completely different thing than, oh, no, look what you like. And. And, you know, when I do that, the session is different. So in reality, are we, you know, we are framing. We. We believe things are happening to us, and so often we are imposing them upon ourselves.
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Yeah, no, that. That sounds familiar. So what are two, three, four things? Whatever the number is. Practical ways that people can. If they've kind of resonated with what we talked about, how can they begin to regulate their nervous system? You know, if they don't get the opportunity to see a professional like you or what? How can they just, you know, start the process of doing some simple things?
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I feel like a great place to start is think about sleep. Sleep is king in all areas. If we sleep well, all of life is better. And sometimes it's enough to just begin to do the practical things. Get off the screen hours before bed, give yourself at Least three hours after you eat, before you lay down and go to sleep. Because if you are, if your stomach is empty, your body begins a detoxification process. If you're asleep, you need to be asleep by about 11am I think if you're going to get up early, you need to go to sleep quite a bit earlier than that. But it's like you need to be asleep because if you're asleep, your body does some really good work of cleaning things up and flushing cells and doing things that won't happen if you're awake and that won't happen if you, if you're, if your belly's full.
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So 11:00am versus the 3:00am that many of us. 11:00pm yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah.
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11:00pm yeah, the 3:00am is a nightmare.
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Yeah.
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Because you have missed a window. You know the data on people that don't sleep when it's dark. Like I used to have this study. I should go find it because it was so damning. It was like, oh, if you, if you heard that. Because I had, for a while there was an hour from here, there was this plant where they built tires or something and we had a lot of clients from there and they had, they had three, three shifts but you never got to stay on one. So it would be like for so many weeks you would do days and so many weeks you would do the middle one and so many weeks you would do that. And that is the worst possible thing. Like working at night and sleeping in the day literally shortens your life. But doing that swing shift thing and moving from one to, you know, moving takes years. I'm thinking it was something like 12 years. It was an astounding amount of time. But, but on top of the fact that you die sooner, your quality of life is unbelievable because the turnaround from between each eight week period would take. You would be like a zombie for days. You're more likely to get injured more, you're more likely to have a heart attack. You're more likely to like, physiologically it's so hard. So all that to say, find a sleep routine and stick with it. And if you're a 3Amer, start walking yourself back.
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Yeah.
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Because going to bed when it's dark and getting up when it's light is a gift to your body. That first thing in the morning and that sun comes up when you, if you can get outside, even for a minute or two and let the sun hit your, hit your face and take your, take your shoes off and get them on the ground. Because grounding lowers your inflammation, wakes your body up. It does. Like, grounding is astounding and literally is all you have to do to do. There are other ways to do it, but really all you have to do is put your feet on the bare bare ground for even a minute. More would be better. But when the sun hits your face and hits your skin, it tells your body it's morning. And then your body then has a rhythm to work with for when it's night, if you can make it back out there again. At the end of the day, as the sun's going down, it's the same thing. You're reinforcing. Like, I'm moving towards sleep because of the fact that we're under lights all the time and we have screens in our faces. It's very confusing to the body. The body does not know. You know, before there were lights, literally, people got up when the sun came up. They went to bed when the sun went down. That was just it, right? I promise you, they were healthier than we are today. So figuring out the sleep piece is great. Another thing is begin to make substitutions in your habits. Like, if you don't do any exercise, tell yourself, three or four days a week, I'm going to walk for 15 minutes. And if you just walk away from your home for seven minutes, turn around and walk back, like, that is not undoable. But what I find is people are willing to do that. Before long, they're walking for 30 minutes or 40, they're like, I do feel better. I really enjoy this. And if you can walk or exercise in any way with a friend, and you combine the fact that you're moving and that you're having interactions that are positive and reinforcing, you're more likely to keep doing it and you're happier. So there are so many different things that are really not that hard. Because some people say, I don't do water. If you don't do water, your life is not going to be as good. Good. You, every part of you needs water. Your brain is supposed to float in water. Your intestines need water, your cells need to get cleaned by water. All of those things. The number one cause of fatigue and headaches is dehydration and. And Dr. Pepper won't do it, and lemonade won't do it. And, you know, lots of people think,
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oh, I had a coat.
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Yeah. No, it's like, you really need water. And the higher the quality of water, the, you know, the better outcome.
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Well, it's interesting because so many of us thrive on caffeine, myself included. But that actually does dehydrate you. Right, so we've got a coffee. Yeah, yeah. So I like to say I don't speak to anybody in the house until I have my coffee, so. But we do drink water during the day, so. Yeah. So I want to make sure people understand biofeedback as well before we go. So can you just explain what biofeedback is, how it's used, how it helps people?
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Yes. So biofeedback is the use of a computer to alter the brain. And I could talk about it all day, but I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna run into the simple version.
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We might have to have you back because we'll do. Maybe we'll do another one on just biofuel. Let's just tease people a little bit. Let's get them to understand what this is.
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So let me say biofeedback can be used for adhd, pain, anxiety, addiction, depression, behavioral issues, poor sleep. Like the list goes. Ptsd, traumatic brain injuries. So biofeedback is kind of the broad term because biofeedback is any way we give information to the body.
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Okay.
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What we do more specifically is called neurofeedback, and that is giving information to the brain. And just like you can go to the gym and exercise your body and make it stronger and more flexible, this technology can exercise your brain. And your brain is making frequencies all the time. And we put electrodes on your head and nothing goes in them. The reason the electrodes go on the head is to give the brain, is to. Is to allow us to look at the brain waves, because our brain waves are there all the time. Most people are making a lot of activity and are overstressed. So instead of being calm and focused, the brain is kind of in overdrive. It's like. And I can't. I wouldn't say that's everybody, but I'd say that's 90 plus percent of the people. Sometimes a stroke victim might have an under aroused brain or somebody that's been had a car wreck. There are reasons you would have that. But most people, what we're trying to do is restore calm, focus and flexibility. And the way that that would happen is you look at a screen, say we pull up. There's lots of different, different ways you could do it, but it all does the same thing. And you pull up a YouTube video, and then there's a filter that goes on the YouTube video. And when your brain is doing what we want it to do and that's kind of where the complexities come in. Like, that's determined through an intensive interview and information and things like that. So when the brain's doing what we want it to do, the screen is wide and you can see the picture and there's no fog on it, and the volume's strong. And then, say, the brain makes something that begins to make a frequency, maybe, that we would equate with poor focus. Well, then the screen begins to close in and gets foggy and the volume diminishes. So basically, through operant conditioning, we're saying, yes, yes, yes, do more of that. No, no, no, the whole time. And it's not conscious any more than when you wake up in the morning. You're like, how many times does my heart need to be today? Do I need to blink? How much output of urine do I need? Like, we don't think about any of that stuff. Well, this is. This is like that. It's not. It's not like, oh, I have to work to do this. Literally, you just sit and relax and watch the screen. What we're doing is we're showing the brain calm down. Like, do. Do more of this and do less of that. And in the session, many people will say, wow, I feel very different. I feel more relaxed. I'm able even after. Because years ago, 25 years ago, I would say, give me 10 sessions and you'll see progress. Now it is very uncommon that someone doesn't see something the first session. It wouldn't be permanent because just like you're learning to play the piano or learning to ride a bike or anything else, the way to make biofeedback permanent is to continue to come. And then when we find what's good for you, we reinforce it by doing it week after week. And where the electrodes go on the head has a lot to do with what the problems are. So we start with a placement, and then we're like, okay, now we have. We've got you sleeping better and you're not angry anymore, and you feel less ang. Anxious, but you still aren't focusing. Well, we know that depending on the issues with focus, different parts of the brain, but the frontal lobe is super important in the. In the area of focus and motivation. So then there would be an electrode placement change. And now we're going to focus on activating that frontal lobe and getting some things organized there.
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A
That sounds interesting. So I think maybe we should dig into that in a future discussion so. Because I think some of us do look for different ways to you know, accomplish whatever our, our goals are and health and fitness and brain fitness and everything else. And throw in an ADHD brain and, you know, some of us are will try anything. So yeah. So, so yeah. Cool. How can people find you?
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B
Okay, I can be found@restoreofada.com that's our website. And our email is contactestoreofada.com okay, great.
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A
And we'll put that in the notes as we say. So so thank you so much for having this discussion because I think many of us don't feel the way we may have, you know, a period of time ago. And I think a lot of it has to do with just being under the gun and the pressures of business and life and everything else. So and just knowing that there are solutions out there. So thank you. Yes.
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B
Well, thank you for having me.
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A
Sa.