Host Lauren chats with artists Michael Townsend and Leah Smith about Tape Art, the secret apartment that Michael created in the Providence Place Mall, and its eponymous documentary, Secret Mall Apartment. They also discuss world cinema, the ease of keeping secrets before the invention of the iPhone, and creative ideas about what to do with the Providence Place Mall. In the Last Chapter they answer the question: If you were forced to read outside your comfort zone, which genre/topic would choose to explore and why?

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Books

The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima

If Nietzsche Were a Narwhal: What Animal Intelligence Reveals About Human Stupidity by Justin Gregg

Half His Age by Jennette McCurdy

I'm Glad My Mom Died by Jennette McCurdy

The Art Thief by Michael Finkel

Media

Secret Mall Apartment (2024)

Dhurandhar (2025 film)

Ne Zha 2 (2025 film)

VEEP (2012-2019)

Other

Good Hang with Amy Poehler (Podcast Series 2025 - )

Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus (Podcast Series 2023 - )