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Pain Reprocessing Therapy Podcast
Hosted by Daniella Deutsch, Paulina Soble · EN
Discover how Pain Reprocessing Therapy can transform lives. Join pain experts as they share patient stories, actionable tools, and expert insights to help rewire the brain’s response to chronic pain. Perfect for patients and practitioners alike.
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Three Cases, Two Experts, One Question: Is This Neuroplastic?
2w ago00:48:31Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Daniel Lyman is joined by two of the leading minds in mind-body medicine — Dr. Mark Lumley and Christie Uipi — for a candid, collaborative case discussion unlike anything we've done before. Dr. Mark Lumley is a distinguished professor of psychology at Wayne State University, co-developer of Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET), and one of the world's leading researchers on mind-body therapies for chronic pain. Christie Uipi is a psychotherapist, Executive Director of the Better Mind Center, a key contributor to the development of PRT, and a chronic pain overcomer herself. Together, the three work through three real cases submitted by listeners: Jill from Canada has lived with vestibular migraine and Persistent Postural-Perceptual Dizziness (PPPD) for six years after a lifetime of people-pleasing, boundary struggles, and pushing through stress. The group explores dizziness as an "escalation symptom" — what happens when the body has been ignored for too long — and how unexpressed emotions may be driving the nervous system's loudest signals. Ben from Edinburgh has had chronic lower back and hip pain for 30 years. His herniated discs have largely resolved, but the pain remains — and it's worst in the middle of the night. The group digs into conditioned pain responses, the psychology of sleep and pain, and why rigidity in daily routines might be keeping the nervous system stuck. Katerina has suffered from migraines since age 20 and is now dealing with up to 20 migraine days a month. She wants to know: is migraine actually neuroplastic? Can you treat it like neuroplastic pain if there's an underlying disease process? Dr. Lumley shares findings from a recent randomized controlled trial showing a 40% reduction in migraine frequency with group EAET, and the group unpacks the tension between traditional migraine management and a neuroplastic approach. This episode is a masterclass in collaborative clinical thinking — and a reminder that no matter how long you've been suffering, there are still doors worth opening. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →When the Work Isn't Working: 5 Reasons You May Still Be Stuck
Mar 1900:45:24Tap to summarizeEpisode Title: When the Work Isn't Working Season 2, Episode 1 Welcome to Season 2 of the Pain Reprocessing Therapy Podcast. Daniel Lyman, LCSW — founding member of the Pain Psychology Center and Executive Director of the Mind Body Therapy Center — takes over as host this season, bringing a deep clinical background in neuroplastic symptoms and chronic pain recovery. For the first episode, Daniel sits down with Gabrielle Jacobs, LCSW, Associate Director of the Mind Body Therapy Center, to tackle one of the most frustrating experiences in recovery: doing everything right and still feeling stuck. In this episode, Daniel and Gabrielle discuss: Why understanding PRT and healing through PRT are two different things The concept of experiential safety — and why waiting to feel safe before acting keeps people stuck How relationships (with people, work, environments, and patterns) directly impact the nervous system's ability to heal Living with intensity: why the same personality traits that make people great at life can quietly work against recovery The difference between eliminating symptoms and changing the patterns that sustain them Identity fusion — when pain becomes part of how someone understands themselves, and how to gently begin to loosen that grip Secondary gain: what the symptom might be providing, and how to give yourself that thing without needing the pain to get it Key concepts mentioned: Experiential safety and graded exposure The fear-avoidance model Somatic tracking All-or-nothing thinking in recovery Secondary gain Neuroplastic symptoms Identity and recovery About the hosts: Daniel Lyman, LCSW, is a psychotherapist and founding member of the Pain Psychology Center, where Pain Reprocessing Therapy was originally developed. He is the Executive Director of the Mind Body Therapy Center, a therapy and coaching practice serving clients worldwide dealing with chronic somatic symptoms. Gabrielle Jacobs, LCSW, is the Associate Director of the Mind Body Therapy Center and a clinician specializing in neuroplastic symptoms and chronic pain. She has been deeply involved in the clinical world of Pain Reprocessing Therapy for many years. If you found this episode helpful, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who might need to hear it. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Building Hope and Belief
Dec 400:55:31Tap to summarizeIn this episode, we explore what happens when fatigue doesn’t just mean “tired”—it feels like your whole life has been taken away.Host John Gasienica sits down with Rachel, who developed severe post-viral chronic fatigue after a major COVID infection. Her symptoms—crushing exhaustion, brain fog, fear, and OCD spikes—left her doubting whether she’d ever get her life back. Together, John and Raelan Agle, a social worker and author who recovered from 10 years of ME/CFS, unpack how belief, emotion, and nervous system regulation interact when fatigue feels terrifying and permanent.You’ll hear John work with Rachel in real time on two core beliefs:“I’m physically broken.”“I’m incapable of regulating myself.”They explore how shifting from rumination and fear into sadness, grief, and healthy anger can loosen those beliefs and reduce the “monster” feeling of fatigue, even before symptoms entirely change.Along the way, John and Raelan talk about:Why people with histories of anxiety, OCD, and depression may be more vulnerable to neuroplastic fatigueHow emotional regulation (not emotional perfection) helps the nervous system feel saferWhy fatigue can feel uniquely frightening and isolating compared to other symptomsThe protective role of anger and assertiveness after medical invalidation and lossHow genuine joy, fun, and play are core nervous-system medicine, not “extras”John also shares a framework for belief in recovery:- Neuroplastic symptoms are real and can drive physical sensations.- This might actually be what’s happening in my body.- I can learn to regulate my nervous system with support.At the end of the episode, John announces that this is the last episode of Season One and his final episode as host. He shares where he’s headed next (including a Substack for clinicians) and how to keep learning about Pain Reprocessing Therapy and neuroplastic symptoms.What you’ll learn- Why severe fatigue can feel so terrifying and isolating—and why that reaction makes sense- How core beliefs like “I’m broken” and “I can’t regulate myself” keep symptoms feeling permanent- A practical way to shift from anxiety and rumination into sadness, grief, and healthy anger- How emotional regulation and belief interact to create safety in the nervous system- Why joy, play, and doing things you genuinely enjoy are powerful predictors of recovery- The “three layers of belief” about neuroplastic symptoms and where you might be stuck 0:00 – Intro: chronic symptoms, belief, and why feeling safer (not solving everything) matters2:00 – Disclaimer & PRT practitioner training mention3:00 – Meet guest Raelan Agle and her background with ME/CFS recovery6:00 – Meet Rachel: post-COVID crash, severe fatigue, brain fog, and OCD spirals14:00 – “I’m broken” vs. “I can’t regulate myself”: core beliefs behind the fear24:00 – Exploring anger vs. sadness; assertiveness as protection, sadness as grief32:00 – Live emotional work: touching grief and noticing shifts in fatigue in real time44:00 – Debrief with Raelan: why fatigue feels like a “different monster”53:00 – The role of belief, understanding the nervous system, and genuine joy in recovery1:05:00 – The three layers of belief in neuroplastic symptoms1:15:00 – Takeaways for people living with chronic fatigue and long COVID1:20:00 – John’s closing: final episode as host, what’s next, and how to stay connected Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Thinking Less and Feeling Better
Oct 1600:52:39Tap to summarizeIn this episode, we explore how “thinking less” and feeling safer in the present can quiet the nervous system and ease chronic symptoms. Dr. Becca Kennedy, a board-certified family medicine physician who treats neuroplastic conditions, joins John to unpack medical invalidation, loneliness in chronic pain, and why learning to access anger, compassion, and play can unlock recovery. You’ll also hear a real coaching segment with “Sarah,” navigating vulvodynia, fear, and uncertainty with step-by-step emotional work and somatic tracking.What you’ll learnWhy certainty isn’t required for recovery—and how to “negotiate” with the brain’s demand for it.A gentle, repeatable way to sit with fear and sadness so safety messages can finally land.How practicing anger expression (safely) restores agency after medical gaslighting.Somatic tracking: Relaxing bracing and signaling “nothing to protect”.Re-introducing play and joy as evidence to your brain that you’re safe—even while symptoms are present.Rough timeline0:00 Intro — symptoms fade when we feel safer, not when we solve everything2:00 Disclaimer & PRT training mention3:00 Meet Dr. Becca Kennedy; path to neuroplastic care6:00 Vulvodynia labels: validation vs. harm7:00 Sarah’s story: yeast infection → persistent pelvic pain, despair, isolation14:00 Processing the emotions of being in pain (not just past trauma)20:00 Guided exercise: feeling fear/helplessness with compassion in the “life raft”29:00 Accessing frustration/anger and why it’s protective to express it37:00 Living with uncertainty; safety in the now vs. promises about later43:00 Safety visualization and re-introducing play50:00 Fun as medicine; nature, joy, and daily moments of ease51:00 Parting encouragement & hopeGuestDr. Becca Kennedy — Resilience Healthcare (neuroplastic conditions, long COVID, chronic pain)Mentioned/ConceptsPain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT), somatic tracking, Emotional Awareness & Expression Therapy (EAET), nervous system regulation, medical trauma, safety signals. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Healing Trauma Without the Drama
Aug 2800:59:06Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the PRT Podcast, host John Gasienica, LCSW, is joined by Dr. David Clarke, a board-certified physician in internal medicine and gastroenterology and co-founder of the Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms.John and Dr. Clarke discuss how trauma and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) can shape chronic pain and stress, and why traditional tools don’t always work for those with PTSD. Together, they guide patient Rachel through techniques to face emotions of grief, fear, and anger, while learning to see physical symptoms as expressions of emotions rather than signs of damage.Key topics include:Understanding trauma as a driver of chronic painThe three major consequences of childhood trauma (triggers, suppressed emotions, and people-pleasing)Why stillness and compassion can feel unsafe for trauma survivorsHow to use the physiological sigh and mindfulness tools for regulationSteps to build self-esteem, self-compassion, and sustainable healingFeatured Guests:Dr. David Clarke – Physician, author of They Can’t Find Anything Wrong, expert in neuroplastic pain, co-author of Psychophysiological DisordersRachel – Patient guest sharing her journey with trauma, PTSD, and recoveryClick here to access the free meditations mentioned by John in the podcast! Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →The No BS Guide to Self-Compassion
Jul 3100:54:50Tap to summarizePerfectionism, pressure, and the belief that we’re never “enough” are some of the most overlooked drivers of chronic pain and today’s episode digs deep into how to break that cycle.Therapist John Gasienica and special guest Vanessa Blackstone explore the emotional patterns behind nervous system dysregulation through the story of Jaycie, a nurse and mom dealing with chronic pain and burnout. They uncover how early life messages, people-pleasing, and emotional suppression (especially around anger and rest) keep us stuck and how to begin softening those patterns with real, grounded self-compassion.Vanessa also shares personal reflections on grief and healing, and the episode walks listeners through somatic and visualization tools to begin shifting pain from the inside out. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Why Hasn't Journaling Healed Me Yet?
Jul 100:54:37Tap to summarizeIn this episode, we continue our deep dive with Daniel Lyman as we analyze a session with June, a filmmaker who’s made major strides in her chronic pain recovery but finds herself stuck. Together, we unpack the fear, anger, and sadness that have been underlying her migraines—and how reframing these emotions as protective allies can create powerful breakthroughs.Daniel shares insights from his OCD and pain reprocessing background, and John uses emotional exposure and paradoxical agenda setting to help June see emotions as mature, trustworthy parts of herself.🔹 How to make journaling more effective🔹 What to do when recovery plateaus🔹 Why fear of emotions keeps the nervous system stuck🔹 How to turn fear and anger into strengths🔹 Why feeling emotions in the moment creates change Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Ask a Doctor: Is My Pain Neuroplastic? PT. 2
May 2700:55:30Tap to summarizeThis is part two of our experimental two-part series following David, a patient living with chronic foot pain. In Episode 4, David received a neuroplastic pain diagnosis. In Episode 5, we go a step further—showing what happens when that diagnosis is explored through therapy.What you’ll hear in this episode:– A live, unscripted therapy session combining Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT), somatic tracking, and Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET)– Real-time reduction in pain as David rewires his brain’s fear response– Exploration of childhood emotional patterns, perfectionism, and self-directed anger– A somatic shift that helps David reclaim movement, safety, and strength– Dr. Howard Schubiner’s expert commentary on the science behind each momentThis episode is about more than pain—it’s about the emotional undercurrents that shape how we experience our bodies, and the incredible transformation that can occur when we meet our pain with curiosity, compassion, and courage.Bonus: Stay tuned to the end to hear Dr. Schubiner’s reflections on the future of healing—blending neuroscience, trauma-informed care, and emotional expression into one powerful therapeutic approach. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →Ask a Doctor: Is My Pain Neuroplastic?
Apr 15, 202500:43:17Tap to summarizeThis special episode captures part one of an innovative two-part series, following a patient's full neuroplastic pain journey — from diagnosis to treatment.What you'll hear in this episode:– A live neuroplastic pain assessment from Dr. Matt McClanahan, DO– Discussion of "FIT criteria" (Functional, Inconsistent, Triggered symptoms)– The impact of trauma and historical context on pain– David’s candid account of how conflicting diagnoses made recovery harder– A breakdown of why nervous system safety is essential for healingPart two of this series will feature a treatment session with David and legendary insights on how to begin retraining the brain. Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
Transcribe →How to Stop Fixating on Pain
Mar 13, 202500:47:28Tap to summarizeRumination—constantly monitoring symptoms, worrying about pain, and overanalyzing every sensation—can make chronic pain worse by keeping the nervous system in a state of high alert. In this episode, therapist John Gasienica works with Leslie, a new mom struggling with chronic pelvic pain and obsessive symptom fixation. Alongside expert therapist Callie Klebanoff, they break down the Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT) blueprint for stopping rumination and retraining the brain to feel safe.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Why fixating on symptoms reinforces pain pathways in the brain.How symptom monitoring can do more harm than good.Practical strategies to break the cycle of overthinking pain.A real-time therapy session where Leslie learns to calm her nervous system.Key Topics & Timestamps:00:00:00 – Introduction: Why rumination fuels chronic pain00:01:00 – The cycle of symptom fixation and its impact on daily life00:02:00 – Meet Callie Klebanoff: Breaking the cycle of rumination00:03:00 – The mental load of symptom monitoring and anxiety00:04:00 – How overthinking affects the nervous system00:06:00 – Leslie’s experience: A new mom stuck in the pain-rumination loop00:07:00 – Constant symptom monitoring: How it worsens chronic pain00:09:00 – Why the brain fixates on pain and discomfort00:12:00 – Understanding intolerance of uncertainty and symptom anxiety00:18:00 – The PRT approach: Moving from overthinking to feeling safe00:23:00 – Emotional work: Addressing fear, grief, and self-doubt00:31:00 – Practical strategies to stop overthinking and retrain the brain00:39:00 – Final thoughts & next steps for listeners Resources and Additional LinksLearn More About Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)Subscribe for updates, resources, and insights in the world of chronic pain and Pain Reprocessing Therapy.Patient HubPractitioner HubLearn about WellBody Psychotherapy and how our certified therapists and coaches can support your healing journey: Visit WellBodyEmail Us: info@painreprocessingtherapy.com
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