The Drive

Summary

Park Predators: Episode "The Drive" – A Detailed Summary

Park Predators, hosted by investigative journalist and park enthusiast Delia D’Ambra, delves into the sinister secrets hidden within some of the world's most beautiful natural landscapes. In the episode titled "The Drive," Delia explores a harrowing incident that unfolded in Talladega National Forest, Alabama, shedding light on a violent crime that shook a serene national park.

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Incident Overview

In the summer of 2022, two young college students, Adam Simgee (22) and Michaela Paulus (20), embarked on a road trip through Talladega National Forest, a picturesque area in northeast Alabama known for its woods, lakes, and trails. On the morning of Sunday, August 14, 2022, their journey took a tragic turn.

Delia D'Ambra begins the narrative by setting the scene:

"The drive the area they were in is Talladega National Forest, a beautiful stretch of woods, lakes and trails in northeast Alabama that was created for public access and enjoyment 88 years ago in 1936."
(01:36)

The Crime Unfolds

While assisting a stranded motorist—a gesture rooted in kindness—the couple's goodwill was met with unforeseen violence. At approximately 11:30 AM, Michaela Paulus called the Clay County 911 center to report that she and Adam had been robbed and shot by an unknown woman near Cheha State Park.

Upon arrival, authorities found Michaela performing CPR on Adam, who was fatally shot in the torso. Nearby was the assailant, a black woman who had also sustained gunshot wounds but was alive. The investigation quickly unfolded, revealing that Crystal Pinkins (36) and Yasmin Hyder (20) were the perpetrators involved in the violent encounter.

Delia recounts Michaela’s harrowing account:

"Michaela told investigators that she and Adam had been pit stopping in Talladega National Forest on their way back to the University of Central Florida before their fall semester started."
(02:10)

Investigation and Suspects

Investigators released a surveillance photo of a black woman matching the description of the second suspect, prompting a search in the dense forest. Utilizing a dog tracking team and a surveillance helicopter, law enforcement discovered a makeshift camp about half a mile from the crime scene. There, they apprehended Crystal Pinkins and her five-year-old son. Yasmin Hyder was hospitalized but later cooperated with authorities, providing crucial testimony.

Notable Quote from Delia:

"Yasmin had lured Adam and Michaela under the pretense that she was having car trouble. When she got the unsuspecting couple to let their guard down, she ambushed them and forced them into the woods at gunpoint."
(10:45)

Aftermath and Legal Proceedings

Following the arrests, both women faced multiple charges, including murder, kidnapping, and robbery. Yasmin Hyder eventually entered a plea agreement, agreeing to a 35-year prison sentence. Crystal Pinkins stood trial separately, where she was found guilty of first-degree murder, robbery, and the use of a firearm in a crime, resulting in a life imprisonment sentence.

The tragic loss of Adam Simgee devastated his family and friends. Michaela Paulus honored his memory in a heartfelt social media post:

"I wish I could hold your hand one last time. I love you forever, Adam Simji, thank you for being my hero every day for four years. The best four years of my life."
(29:19)

Background of the Perpetrators

Delia delves into the backgrounds of Crystal and Yasmin, uncovering their involvement with a spiritualistic movement known as the University of Cosmic Intelligence, led by Rashad Jamal White. This connection revealed a complex web of beliefs and influences that may have contributed to their criminal actions.

Delia highlights:

"Both women had been living off the grid in Alabama for several months before the murder... Yasmin was an avid follower of Rashad Jamal's social media channels and videos."
(24:40)

Conclusion and Reflections

"The Drive" serves as a poignant reminder of how tranquility in nature can conceal underlying dangers. Delia D’Ambra masterfully intertwines investigative journalism with human stories, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the events that transpired and their lasting impact on the community.

Final Thoughts from Delia:

"It's a reminder to never forget those we hold dear, even when they've gone. Park Predators is an audio Chuck Original show."
(29:19)

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Notable Quotes:

• "Michaela told investigators that she and Adam had been pit stopping..."
  — Delia D'Ambra (02:10)

• "Yasmin had lured Adam and Michaela under the pretense that she was having car trouble..."
  — Delia D'Ambra (10:45)

• "I wish I could hold your hand one last time..."
  — Michaela Paulus (29:19)

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This episode of Park Predators not only uncovers the tragic tale of Adam and Michaela but also explores the broader themes of trust, vulnerability, and the hidden darkness that can lurk even in the most beautiful settings.

Transcript

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Out of nowhere, there it was. Sudden, shocking, terrifying.

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I have never in my life felt fear like that.

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I'm thinking he killed him and he had filmed the murder.

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[Delia D'Ambra]

Enthusiasts, I'm your host, Delia D'Ambra, and the case I'm gonna tell you about in this episode is one that might sound familiar to a lot of you if you're living in the United States. It happened in the summer of 2022, so not that long ago, and it became a national news headline overnight. It's the story of two young college students who were doing something we all have to do if we wanna visit scenic spots on a road trip. Drive the area they were in is Talladega National Forest, a beautiful stretch of woods, lakes and trails in northeast Alabama that was created for public access and enjoyment 88 years ago in 1936. The forest contains at least one state park and is a recreation area that visitors can camp, bike, fish, boat, swim, and even ride horses. It's located about an hour east of the city of Birmingham and is really close to Alabama's border with the state of Georgia. On a Sunday morning in August 2022, the victims in the story were taking in the scenery of the national forest when they stopped their car to help a fellow motorist. Their act of goodwill for a stranger unfortunately wasn't rewarded with a kind handshake or an utterance of gratitude. It was met with violence, violence that to this day is still hard for those closest to this case to comprehend. This is park pred. Around 11:30 in the morning on Sunday, Aug. 14, 2022, a dispatcher at a 911 center in Clay County, Alabama, received an extremely alarming phone call. A young woman who said her name was Michaela Paulus, had dialed in to report that she and her boyfriend, Adam Simgee, had been robbed and shot at in the woods just off national forest service road 663 near Cheha State Park. Michaela, who was 20 years old, informed the operator that Adam, who was 22, was clinging to life after being shot in the torso by a woman they didn't know, and he needed medical attention as soon as possible. Mikayla gave the dispatcher her and Adam's location, which was about a mile before Talladega National Forest became Cheha State Park. Right after receiving this call, the 911 operator immediately sent out rescue teams to help the couple. Because of where Makayla and Adam were located so far into the forest, it took Clay county Sheriff's deputies and FBI agents and other rescue personnel about 30 minutes to get to them. When authorities did finally arrive, they quickly found Michaela hunched on the ground in the woods performing CPR on Adam. Unfortunately, despite her and the paramedics best efforts to try and save him, authorities quickly realized the young man was gone. He was pronounced dead on scene. From the looks of it, he'd been either shot in his abdomen or in the back and bled out. Near his body was a young black woman who appeared to have been shot four times in the torso and leg. She was definitely in distress, but not on death's door. So immediately paramedics loaded her into an ambulance and drove her to where a helicopter could land and transport her out of the national Forest. After that, she went to a hospital in the nearby city of Birmingham. Members of law enforcement accompanied her the entire time and even when she underwent surgery. Meanwhile, investigators back at the scene spoke with Michaela, who told them a horrific story. According to information published by the Clay County Sheriff's Office and an article by Lauren Jackson for WBRC News. Michaela told the authorities that she and Adam had been pit stopping in Talladega National Forest on their way back to the University of Central Florida before their fall semester started. On Sunday morning, right after they'd wrapped up some sightseeing at Mount Cheha, she and Adam left in their van headed in the direction of Arkansas. On the drive, they spotted a woman on the side of the road who waved them down and asked for help getting her car started. Michaela said they stopped for the stranger and drove a short distance down a dirt road to where the woman's blue Scion was parked. For about a half hour to an hour, she and Adam tried everything they could to help this woman, even bringing up YouTube videos to figure out how to get the Scion started, but nothing worked. As they were about to leave, Michaela said, the woman suddenly pulled out a pistol and demanded she and Adam give her their car keys, banking password and cell phones. Michaela told investigators that she and Adam complied, but their captor proceeded to march them into the woods at gunpoint. After walking a little ways into the trees, the woman began to set down her weapon, and that's when Adam jumped into action. Michaela told deputies that ever since they'd stopped to help the woman, Adam had been armed with a personal firearm tucked into his clothing. It was a weapon he kept on him while traveling for protection, and as soon as their captor had begun to lay down her gun, Michaela said, Adam grabbed his gun and ordered the stranger to not do anything with hers. Michaela said that in that moment all hell broke loose and the woman and Adam exchanged a lot of gunfire. Before she knew it, Adam was on the ground bleeding from a gunshot wound to his torso, and their captor was also on the ground suffering from several bullet wounds. Michaela said the woman who attacked her and Adam then called out to another woman who'd been standing in the woods nearby watching the whole shooting take place. Michaela told investigators that she didn't know who that other woman was, but eventually the bystander ran away from the scene, headed deeper into the forest. Michaela said she turned her attention to Adam and tore off her shirt to try and stop his wound from bleeding. She then scrambled to get one of their cell phones from the forest floor to dial 911. After alerting the police of what was going on and where to find the crime scene, Michaela said she and the woman who'd shot Adam spoke to one another, according to what Michaela would later tell reporter Steven Quinn for ABC 3340. The woman asked her if she would be able to, quote, get away because she had a child and she needed food and it wasn't supposed to be like this. End quote. While investigators with the sheriff's office listened intently to Michaela's story and wrote down every detail, other members of law enforcement fanned out in the woods to look for evidence. They collected both guns that had been used in the shooting, a bunch of shell casings, cell phones, Adam and Michaela's van clothing, and the blue scion. Michaela said the woman who'd attacked them had been driving. Investigators also wanted to try and get a lead on who the unknown woman was, who Michaela said had fled the crime scene. Caleb Turrentine reported for ABC 3340 that around 4:30pm on Sunday, roughly five hours into the investigation, the Clay County Sheriff's office released a bulletin to the media asking for the public to be on the lookout for this second suspect. Deputies didn't release the woman's name, but did provide news outlets with a surveillance photo of a black woman with dark colored hair who was wearing a leopard print headband and dark gray T shirt with writing on the front. The image looked like it had been taken from inside a grocery store or possibly a convenience store. Not long after that picture began circulating, authorities got a tip that this mystery woman might be one of a few people living off the grid in a part of the national forest close to the crime scene. Folks in this community in the woods were rumored to be dangerous and possibly armed with weapons. And sure enough, thanks to help from a dog tracking team and a surveillance helicopter, about a half mile away from the crime scene, investigators found a collection of tents and supplies that they defined as, quote, a base camp, end quote. Now here's where things get really wild. When deputies searched this makeshift camp, they found a woman standing by some of the tents, seemingly surprised to see law enforcement in the area. Not far away from her emerging from the woods with a loaded shotgun in hand was a five year old boy. The young child initially refused to put the gun down, but eventually officer got him to surrender and he handed over the shotgun. Turns out the woman by the tents who he appeared to be trying to protect from police was his mother, 36 year old Crystal Pinkins. According to a press release issued by the Clay County Sheriff's Office, Crystal was quickly determined to be the unknown woman Michaela had seen lingering in the woods right after the shooting. You know, the woman that Adam's killer had called out to for help. Oh, and speaking of Adam's killer, investigators were able to determine that woman was 20 year old Yasmin Hyder. None of the source material clearly explains how investigators learned Crystal and Yasmin's full names, but I imagine they might have had ID on them or just given the police their names when they were caught. Like I said, the timeline of when and how authorities determined who the suspects were is a bit fuzzy, but according to all the articles I read, it appears that Crystal and Yasmin's names were known fairly early on in the investigation. After arresting Crystal in the woods, they charged her with endangering the welfare of a child, aka letting her 5 year old son carry a loaded shotgun in the woods where they lived. As investigators continued to work the case, they learned that Yasmin was going to recover from her injuries and be able to be arrested as well. In the meantime, though, they spoke with everyone else who'd been involved. And the more they learned, the more they began to see the full picture of what exactly had gone down on the morning of Sunday, August 14th. Investigators felt confident in this theory. Yasmin had lured Adam and Michaela under the pretense that she was having car trouble. When she got the unsuspecting couple to let their guard down, she ambushed them and forced them into the woods at gunpoint. Only problem was, she had no idea that Adam was carrying a concealed firearm. 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[Delia D'Ambra]

To upgrade your selling On Monday, August 15th, one day after the crime, authorities charged Crystal Pinkins with one count of murder, two counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery. Yasmin Hyder was charged with the exact same crimes, but she couldn't be taken into custody and booked in jail until she was released from the hospital. Now law enforcement quickly apprehending these suspects was certainly a relief to Adam and Michaela's families, but everyone was still reeling with indescribable pain and trauma from the whole ordeal. Shortly after processing the crime scene, authorities transported Adam's body to the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences for an autopsy. A doctor there determined he died from that gunshot wound to his abdomen, and there was no doubt he'd been a victim of a homicide. Stephen Quinn reported for ABC 3340 that so many of the memories Adam and Michaela had made on their road trip and during the four years they'd been dating were shattered in a matter of seconds during the events of August 14th. Michaela and Adam had known one another since they were teenagers growing up in central Florida. Mikayla's mother, Heather Lambert, told WBRC News, quote, there is no one like Adam. They completed each other. They really did. End quote. Mikayla told Steven Quinn that the reason Adam had been so willing to help Yasmin was because he just purchased a new battery pack that he'd made sure to keep charge just in case they stumbled upon a driver who was having car issues. She said it was Justin, Adam's nature to want to help people, even folks he didn't know. Remarking about how brave Adam was in his final moments, Michaela told Quinn, quote, he literally was like an angel on earth already. Everyone who met him loved him. He was always making jokes and being goofy. Him dying a hero to protect me like that is just so him. End quote. If Adam had lived, he would have continued pursuing a degree in finance at the University of Central Florida, and he and Michaela would have continued their relationship, possibly toward marriage. According to the couple's friends and families who spoke with News 6 Click Orlando, which is an article that also cites reporting by journalist Andrea Lindenberg. Adam was a quiet, nice young man who spent most of his time studying or hanging out with his girlfriend. He was a firm believer in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution and proudly carried his personal firearm as a form of personal protection. Matt Paulus, Michaela's father, told News 6 that he wasn't sure if his daughter would have lived if it wasn't for Adam's heroic sacrifice and quick thinking. Michaela honored Adam's legacy in a lengthy social media post after his death that said in part, quote, my reason for being, my soulmate, my life partner, the future father of my children, died in the middle of a state park in Alabama. No words can begin to describe the shock and pain I'm in. We had our entire lives ahead of us. Adam is the best person I've ever met on the face of this entire planet. He was the most pure soul, and he made sure I knew I would be safe when I was with him. It comforts me to say he passed in one of his favorite places, the forest and the mountains, end quote. In the wake of Adam's murder, friends set up a GoFundMe page for the couple to raise money for his funeral expenses and assist Michaela with counseling and trying to move on with her life. According to the GoFundMe page, which is still active, more than $18,000 of the $30,000 goal has been raised. That amount sufficiently paid for Adam's burial costs, and the remainder is going directly to Michaela. On August 17, a few days after the murder, a judge in Clay county ruled to enact a gag order in the case, which banned Michaela, law enforcement, investigators, attorneys, essentially anyone who had anything to do with the case from speaking to the media. Michaela's online tribute to Adam went up before that order took effect, and I'm not sure if her touching words about her longtime love were later taken down. But what I do know is that the Sheriff's Office was ordered to remove its initial press release about the case from its social media platforms. That didn't keep news outlets and online publications from reporting on the story though, and still using that initial information in their articles. A few days later, on Saturday, August 20, Adam was laid to rest by his family. Nicholson Student Media published a tribute article about him written by Nina Murillo that talked a lot about how Adam enjoyed his life and tried to care for others. The article stated that he would often buy McDonald's and take it to people experiencing homelessness, which can I just say, I have been a college student myself, living on a tight budget like most 20 somethings are, and this little fact about Adam being so selfless to strangers and willing to spend his money on food for them is truly amazing. His best friend's mother told the publication that Adam and her son grew up with a deep love of the outdoors and eventually Adam got a job working at Lowe's in the garden section. She actually worked there with him and saw that he took a lot of pride in that job and would sometimes tinker with different plant species to see if he could grow something new. Remarking about how much he would be missed, his best friend's mother said, quote, it has been an honor to have watched him grow up to become this great man he grew up to be. He would have done good things in his future. End quote. On August 24th, more than a week after the crime, Yasmin Hyder recovered from her injuries and was released from the hospital. Detectives immediately booked her in the Clay County Detention center, and a few months later, in November 2022, a federal grand jury in Alabama indicted both her and Crystal for murder, kidnapping and robbery. Their cases were scheduled to go to trial the following year. The maximum sentence both defendants faced was life in prison. If they were found guilty of just the robbery aspect, they would get 15 years. Al.com reported that because the federal charges took priority, the identical charges that had been filed previously against Crystal and Yasmin in state court were put on pause until the federal proceedings wrapped up. A few days after the indictments came down, the US Attorney assigned to the case decided the government would not seek the death penalty against Crystal and Yasmin. As more and more media outlets took interest in the story, Vice News did a deep dive on the women's backgrounds and social media to find out who they were, where they were originally from, and what had led them to live inside Talladega National Forest. And according to Vice's piece written by Anna Merlin and Tim Marchman. Both women had been living off the grid in Alabama for several months before the murder. Other news sources said they both had former ties to Memphis, Tennessee. But according to an Instagram post Yasmin made in late May 2022, she and Crystal had been all the way in Colorado before ending up in Alabama. Vice also reported that Yasmin had once attended college in Oklahoma prior to the crime. And it was that detail about Yasmin at one point seeming to have a normal life that was interesting to the reporters who were working to dig up information about her. They and law enforcement officials would soon discover a labyrinth of interesting and bizarre information about Yasmin and Crystal.

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[Delia D'Ambra]

According to vice news, in July 2020 so two years before Adam's murder, Yasmin was living in Oklahoma with relatives. She was doing what you'd expect many 18 year olds to be doing, which was preparing to attend college. Yasmin was scheduled to start attending classes at Langston University and was in the process of moving into a dorm on campus in the summer of 2020. By all accounts, her family was really proud of her for pursuing higher education. But then suddenly she just stopped speaking to her family. And based on what Vice's report confirmed with Langston University officials, Yasmin was not enrolled at the school after the spring 2021 semester. According to that same article by Vice, Crystal Pinkins claimed on her LinkedIn page to have once worked as a home health aide for a company based in Tennessee. She also claimed to be a, quote, freelance writer and aspiring motivational speaker. According to social media accounts, both she and Yasmin became deeply entrenched in a spiritualistic belief or movement known as the University of Cosmic Intelligence, which was created by a guy named Rashad Jamal White, who usually just went by Rashad Jamal based on his social media posts and videos. He was an aspiring rapper who fully believed he was a God. And his people, which he said were black and Latino people, were also gods. He aimed to teach others about how to understand their energies and chakras. He was also a big supporter of polygamy and black empowerment. But turns out that court records cited by Vice News showed that in 2022, Rashad Jamal had been accused of murder, child molestation and cruelty to children, and held prior convictions for battery, strangulation and suffocation. The Daily Mail published that Rashad Jamal was a, quote, cult leader who had influenced his followers with a jarring level of intensity. For example, in January 2022, a 24 year old man from Alabama named Damian Washam, whose father said he obsessively watched Rashad Jamal's videos, murdered his own mother with a sword and almost killed two of his other family members. Now, based on what Vice News found, Yasmin was also an avid follower of Rashad Jamal's social media channels and videos. She wrote online about how people needed to be liberated from mainstream systems of thought and social control. And she'd also shared a lot of conspiracy theories about world occurrences and elements of the cosmos. Some of the other people Yasmin hung out with and was photographed with on social media claimed to be, quote, sovereign beings or purported that they'd held positions of spiritual imperial authority. According to the Daily Mail, Crystal was loosely connected with Rashad Jamal too. She wrote a letter in his defense to the judge presiding over his child molestation case. She also was believed to have bunked up with Rashad Jamal and his wife for a couple of months prior to his arrest for that crime. Exactly how close Crystal and Yasmin really were to Rashad Jamal and his non traditional spiritual belief system is unknown. But something that was super clear from their online activity is that Crystal and Yasmin somehow ended up traveling together and living at various motels in May of 2022, when exactly they got to Alabama and started living in Talladega National Forest is still a bit of a mystery. It may have been a combination of them literally having no money and nowhere to go, or their shared belief in finding peace in nature or the energy of the earth or whatever. Honestly, I don't know. But by the time things got underway in court in January 2023, it became clear both women would be tried separately. Crystal's defense lawyer argued that she might have been suffering from mental illness leading up to and during the crime. He asked the judge to order a full mental evaluation of Crystal because he sensed during some of their early conversations about the murder that Crystal was possibly delusional and or paranoid to the point that her attorney didn't feel confident she understood what was going on or was capable of taking responsibility for her actions. The judge granted that request and ordered two different physicians perform psychiatric and psychological examinations on Crystal and file their findings with the court. Those evaluations were completed by the end of May 2023, and in late July, the court ruled that Crystal was competent enough to stand trial for the charges against her. Her trial was set to begin on September 25, 2023, in a federal courthouse in Birmingham, Alabama. But before that happened, Yasmin, Krystal's accomplice and Adam's actual shooter, decided to cooperate with federal prosecutors in exchange for the government dropping one of her charges. She agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder, kidnapping, Michaela and robbery. And by doing so, the U.S. attorney shaved off a firearms charge from her indictment. The plea agreement goes into a lot of detail about what happened shortly after investigators arrived on site, seen the day Adam died. It states that Yasmin was alert enough while being taken to the hospital to speak with FBI agents. And she admitted that she told one of the paramedics that she had shot at Adam first. She explained that she'd been living in the forest with Crystal and Crystal's son. Desperate for food and transportation after the shooting, she asked one of the agents, quote, I'm going to do time, right? I just want to know how much time, end quote. Yasmin also confessed that the pistol she'd used in the crime belonged to Crystal. And prior to stopping Adam and Mikayla on August 14, the women had come up with a plan together to carjack a motorist to get food. Ultimately, Yasmin told investigators that she had never intended to harm or kill Adam. She said, quote, I took his whole life away. Now he can't tell his story, end quote. The U.S. attorney asked the court to.

[C. Douglas Golden]

Sentence Yasmin to 35 years in prison.

[Delia D'Ambra]

And that's exactly what she got.

[C. Douglas Golden]

C. Douglas golden reported for the Independent Journal Review that she'll spend 35 years in prison for her crimes. On September 29, 2023, after four days of listening to testimony from Yasmin and law enforcement investigators, the jury weighing Crystal's fate found her guilty of first degree murder, robbery and the use of a firearm in a crime, but found her not guilty of kidnapping Adam and Michaela in early January 2024. She was sentenced to life in prison.

[Delia D'Ambra]

In Michaela's social media post about Adam that she wrote after his death, which I quoted from earlier, she said something that I think I should leave you all with. It's a reminder to never forget those we hold dear, even when they've gone. Mikayla wrote, quote, I wish I could hold your hand one last time. I love you forever, Adam Simji, thank you for being my hero every day for four years. The best four years of my life. End quote Park Predators is an audio Chuck Original show. So what do you think, Chuck? Do you approve?

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