B (6:08)

Yeah, Trump, Trump kicked the hornet's nest. And his magical, I guess, best case scenario of just going in and rounding up the criminals didn't work out. And now he's got a shit fest. There are lies of trying to pretend that this guy was a domestic terrorist with intentions to kill. That didn't work. So now it's a pivot to we're waiting on the investigation, which I'm guessing they can find a talking point to cling onto or the temperatures die down by the time they address it. But that's their new thing, is they've got no statement and they're waiting on the investigation, which means delay until people don't care or magically find out that this guy was like the head of a chapter of Antifa and find some sort of a sorrow story or something else that they could sell us on. But it just speaks to what was the plan when you went in with ice? What were you guys looking to accomplish in, in going in in that fashion? You know, harassing random individuals, trying to push through that level of chaos. Like, what was the actual plan here? If you weren't willing to stomach the storm and kind of keep going with it, what was the plan?

A (7:14)

Right. And then, and then, of course, though, and the worst part, at least in terms of the pr, like what you're talking about is more substantive, like, what was the plan here? But then in terms of pr and then what part of the plan was to just fucking lie through your teeth, just lie your ass off about what overwhelmingly seems like a bad shooting, and then just lie. Just tell people it's illegal to have a gun. He was coming at cops with his guns. He or he assaulted law enforcement. Just like, what are you doing? Like, I. It's just. It's also a ridiculous thing that, like, even. Even if you supported Whatever. I don't even know how to say it. Even if you support exactly the way Trump was doing it and support ICE and think we need to send them into. To Minnesota and we need to go after the maybe 200,000 illegal immigrants in Minnesota, like, that's such a high priority for whatever reason, which no one can exactly explain, you would still go, oh, that's a bad shooting. That should be investigated. I don't have to lie and say the guy was attacking the law enforcement or whatever. You'd go, oh, yeah, no, you still. Even if you're conducting mass deportations, like, yeah, you still can't disarm a guy and then just empty nine bullets into him when he's on the ground. It's, like, too ridiculous. You know, it's been. I don't know, I guess, you know, it's just like, look, this is. It's in many ways very. It's very typical. Like I said, it's very quintessentially Trumpian to just have this almost like schizophrenic, you know, like, policy, where you kind of go in. You take this posture of, like, hey, doesn't matter what resistance we get. The law is the law, and we're cracking down and we're going to do this great big thing that provokes this crazy reaction, and then the second you get the reaction, go, oh, okay, I guess we won't.

B (9:12)

Law and chaos. That's the. That's what Donald Trump is looking for.

A (9:15)

I mean, it's just like, I'm sorry, like, at what point do you go like, this is supposed to be the serious leadership here? Like, I don't know, man. This just. Just makes no sense at all. And of course, as we've been talking about here for. For over a year on the podcast, is that. Look, man, when it comes to these. These mass deportations. Well, it's not even mass deportations, but when it comes to, like this. Yeah, dude, the. The devil's gonna be in the details. And if you're Gonna intentionally make a big show of violence. You're gonna lose support for this. That's just the. The. That's the facts.

B (9:56)

And then backing down to ice, your base can't like that. You're just gonna let ICE overtake these cities, which, by the way, I don't understand. Why not just let these socialist areas and these sanctuary cities just fail under their own accord? If other cities want to be cleaned up, so clean up all the other cities. Let all. Let all the illegal criminal aliens flock to the sanctuary cities and wait for the sanctuary cities to beg for support. Just let them fail. Highlight the failure of these socialist policies. If these people so desperately want it cut off federal funding so that it's. It's actual the funding of the area that has to pay for these policies. It's like, don't get upset with Mandani.

A (10:38)

Let him.

B (10:38)

Let him implement whatever he wants and just cut off the federal funding. That's a bailout for these bad socialist policies and let them fail.

A (10:48)

It certainly makes a lot more sense than doing stuff like this. Anyway. It's been, you know, I'll say, because I've. I've, you know, been in the situation for the last. Whatever it is, 48 hours or so. I've been. I've been taking a lot of heat for. For my position on this, which is like, okay, that's. That's fine. I mean, I'm. I'm in the public eye, and I'm taking positions on policies. If people disagree with me, they should be allowed to do that. But in these moments, I do try my best to, like, you know, if a lot of people are disagreeing with something I'm saying, I try to go like, all right, well, let me think. Am I getting this wrong? Let me hear what they have to say and kind of, you know, say, maybe there's some merit to it. And I try my best to do that over the last 24 hours or so, and just what everyone has to say is really stupid. Like, I. I don't know. Like, what am I supposed. It's just too crazy. It's too ridiculous. I mean, I had, like. So Matt Walsh came at me again on Twitter today. Well, I mean, I guess I. I shared a thing that was. I thought was funny, but someone made, like, a. A picture of, like, me with, like, blue hair and, like, a. A nose ring, and it was like Dave Smith going undercover to try to get Ben Shapiro to give Matt Walsh permission to have a conversation with him. And, you know, it's just making fun of Always ribbing them that. Look, I do think it's a fair point that, like, you guys all not saying Matt Walsh is guilty of this. I'm, I'm. You know, and look, there's. It's kind of guilt by association to a certain degree. I'm not trying to be unfair here, but not guilt by association, like guilt by employment, a little different than association. But the thing is that it's like, like Matt doesn't actually want to sit down and have a conversation with me about this. They like those type of environments where they can. You know what I mean? Like, all of them, like, they, they all, like, they're happy to debate, like a Maoist gender activist or something like that, because they know they'll just rock that kid and put him in his place. Whereas, like, they don't want. So anyway, so, so then he responded by going, he go going, dave doesn't dress up, doesn't need to dress up, because his positions are already indistinguishable from a leftist or something like that. And I just thought again, like, I'll listen to what the other side has to say. Like, yeah, that's really fucking stupid, actually, Matt Walsh, like, I don't. You're not actually to the right of me in any meaningful sense. Like. Like what? It's like Matt. Matt made good documentaries that I thought were fun and enjoyable, but it was like culture war slop. And I don't even mean that as an insult. Like, it's good to slap down the trans thing or the race communist thing or whatever, but, like, it's also just really dumb. You're. You're battling down really dumb things. It doesn't even make you right wing to oppose those things. It just makes you normal. And I don't know, whatever. It makes no sense. But it's like, so you're going, oh, I'm indistinguishable from a leftist. Well, how about the fact that I'm on your side of the culture war issues that you made your career off of, but that doesn't count. All of a sudden, all of a sudden my position on guns or money or surveillance or the size of government or welfare or, you know, like, any of it, none of that matters anymore, you know, it's like, I don't know, I just find that to be an interesting admission in a way. This is the type of shit you get from the Daily Wire guys. Like, well, you're all critical of Israel as if that's the only policy that matters anymore. And there can't be agreement between left wingers and right wingers on that subject. So anyway, that was one. And then I saw, I saw both Tim Pool and Nick Fuentes were coming at me. Oh, well, maybe, maybe Tim Pool wasn't, but I just took it that way. Well here, tell me, tell me if I'm wrong. I took this as him. Was that he was talking about me, but he didn't say my name in it. But here, let's pull the daily wire move. Well, he may have. He may. Well, Tim can't pretend not to know me. I've been on his show seven times. But no. Well, I thought maybe this is just my own me being a little self centered here or something like that. But I thought like, oh, must be talking about me. But here, let's, let's play the Tim Pool clip because you tell me if I'm, if I'm not being. Either way it's worth responding to because he's talking about libertarians. But here, let's, let's play it.

C (15:22)

These liberals who all of a sudden are libertarians and all of a sudden love 2a and, and the loberts. I love the loberts. You know, I love libertarians so much because whenever a fight breaks out, they fold like cheap suits so I don't have to worry about them at all. These libertarians come out and they're like, look, I, I'm, I'm concerned about immigration, but I don't think the government should be allowed. And I'm like, bro, by all means scream into the wind because if anything actually has to happen, you're going to stand there with our arms crossed while we do the jobs that need to.

A (15:54)

Be done already for a second. Pause it right there. So first I, I took that as he was talking about me. I don't know, maybe not. But like I literally, I was trending on Twitter for having a post saying like, I'm, I'm a border hawk, but at the same time I think this is out of control. So just seemed like when he was like, these libertarians are saying, yes, I'm concerned with immigration, but like it just seems like that that's what he's talking about. But maybe not. If, I'm sorry, go ahead.

B (16:23)

If that's not about you, then it's criticizing where your position is or where he feels that most libertarians have fallen on this one. So if that's not directly about you, it sounds like he's summarizing yours and others positions to take on so.

A (16:38)

Well, I mean, I don't think it's that? Listen, dude, I mean, it's not like, I don't know, I'm not saying. It's just when it comes to, like, there's a lot of qualifiers to this, but like when it comes to libertarians on social media who were saying, I support deportations, but not like this, I am kind of the one. I was the biggest one doing that, so whatever. So. But again, what, what Tim is falling into here, which is just. It's the worst thing. It's the worst thing that people fall into in politics is it's like they become like 8 year old boys playing with action figures where they like vicariously live through government action and then start talking about how they're in the fight. But when the fight comes, you won't really be in the fight, but will be in the fight. Like, Tim, on what world, in what world are you like the tough fighter guy? And I'm like the guy who's like, oh, no, I'm afraid of a physical confrontation. Like, it's just like, this is so silly, dude. Like, no, none of this is real. You're not going to get in any type of fight, Tim. And if a fight is brought to your door, you will call law enforcement, who I believe you have a pretty good relationship with, and that's. You will get other men to do your fighting. By the way, I'm not sitting here and trying to say like, oh, I'm the big tough guy, but there is exactly the equal amount of toughness in Tim taking his position and me taking my position. Mine is a lot more coherent and intelligent, but neither of them are more manly than the other. Neither of them are more. You're willing to get in a fight where you're afraid of a fight. I just, I find this stuff to be like the lowest iq, most immature takes on politics. I don't know. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cove Pure. We've all been through the holiday season where you put a beating on your body and now we're in the new year where you pledge to do a little bit better. But here's a simple thing that you can change right now. Drink cleaner water. There's a ton of garbage that's in our water. And Cove Pure changes that immediately. Their Clear Wave technology is certified to remove up to 99.9% percent of contaminants. Pretty much anything that isn't water. PFAS, microplastics, pharmaceutical residue, fluoride. It all gets removed it's the purest water you can get. It makes the water taste good. It's pure and clean. There's no aftertaste. It's really easy to set up. There's no installation needed. It sits right on your countertop and it looks sleek and nice. It's very cool. Cove Pure makes it so easy to get pure water within the push of a button. So this year, make a New Year's resolution that sticks. Improve your health with clean water. And right now you can get $200 off for a limited time if you use my link covpure.com problem that's C O V P U R E.com problem for $200 off Cove Pure. Check it out today. All right, let's get back into the show.

B (19:39)

Guy's afraid of the sight of his own head. I think he's going to go into a town and start rounding up illegal immigrants. I don't believe it.

A (19:48)

And I love Tim. I mean, you know, Tim's been good to me. He's. He's always been cool. He's had me on his very big many times. I am grateful for that and I respect what Tim's built, but it's like, I don't know, dude. You're essentially calling us all pussies. Like, it's hard to not respond to that with, like, really? Are we? I don't know, dude. Like he said, we don't have the.

B (20:10)

Evil kahunas to stomach such, such sights. And true conservatives are okay with random people being killed by ice in the streets because, hey, you got to kill a couple of your own civilians if you're going to enforce a policy.

A (20:24)

And even when he goes, it's also so weak and always, like, trying to, you know, like, it reminds me of the Iran propaganda. Maybe we could get into that today if we have time, because it's pretty crazy. But you know when they'll say the thing where they'll go, oh, all you guys who were speaking up about Gaza all of a sudden are real quiet as the Iranian government's mowing down its own people or something. And you're like, okay, first of all, totally different situation. Our government's not funding it. I'm not supporting the Iranian government killing people. So, like, that's not an apples to apples comparison. But then you're like, but aren't you ignoring the much more obvious hypocrisy, which is that the people who actually did support what Israel was doing and support us funding them all of a sudden are acting like they're humanitarians who care about people in much, much, much, much lower numbers getting killed. So even when Tim first brings up, oh, the hypocrisy, the leftists are acting like they are libertarians who believe in second amendment rights. It's like, yeah, right, that is one area of hypocrisy going on. Okay, granted. How about the one where the fucking head of the FBI and the head of Homeland Security are saying you're not allowed to have a gun at a protest? Is there a little bit of hypocrisy from like, Think really hard, Tim. Can you find any right wing hypocrisy on the issue of guns here? I mean, come on. All right, let's. Let's keep playing.

C (21:57)

This especially is that these people who are saying, I thought you were for the second Amendment, Tim. I was never in favor of the right to keep and bear arms, to go and obstruct duly appointed law enforcement officials from a duly elected government because you disagree with the policy position. Everybody else voted for the idea that you were like, don't I have a right to go fight a cop with a gun? No, you don't. And the funny thing is, I love this. I love this. Guys, I'm gonna let you in on a big secret. Did you know the second amendment was not about fighting tyranny? I'm sick of these people who have this like seventh grade American traditionalist view of the second amendment where they're like, the founding fathers were concerned the government would take over, the government would take over, but tyrannical government would oppress them, so they needed to be armed at all times. There was a factor in the second Amendment of which was the regulars from the Crown were trying to take our guns from us, for which we used to protect ourselves. And we said, no, and if you allow us to take your weapons, you will be oppressed. But the principal reason for the second amendment was not just because they were like, guys, we. What if we overthrow our new government? In fact, a bunch of the founding fathers were like, we don't want to give the people guns. They'll overthrow us. We just want a new government. The principal issue is the general defense of a free state, which can be interpreted to mean fighting tyrannical government, but typically was about foreign invaders and not having strong standing armies. That's why the original article of which I think it would have been Article 4 or 5 actually, before they got rid of the first two and then reduced everything down.

A (23:32)

Okay, here for a second, I honestly, dude, like, Tim just does not read Enough to talk about, like, this dude. It just doesn't know what he's talking about. And, like, whatever. I don't even really care to get into it, but there's all types of goddamn quotes from the founders about what the Second Amendment was about and all of this. And honestly, like, I'm not even saying, like, I'm the guy, but, like, go listen to Tom woods or someone who actually, like, you know, reads books about this stuff, and he can tell you. Writes books about this stuff. Anyway, as you may have noticed, they're just trying to stay relevant to what the fuck we're talking about here. It's always. They have to go, oh, you don't have a right to have a gun and go fight a cop. Like, okay, well, no, actually, you don't have a right to fight a cop. The gun factor doesn't play into this. Like, I don't know what you mean. And that's not what happened here. I. I don't know. Again, it's like, this is what I said on the show yesterday, where I go. They all basically become liberals covering Kyle Rittenhouse. You just have to make this. You have to make the story something other than what it was. Like, it's just that now we're. We're to believe that this guy went in to fight the. The cops. Like, there's a video of it, man. The guy. I don't know. It's literally what they said about Kyle Rittenhouse.

B (24:51)

I also, even with what he's saying is his breakdown of why Americans have the freedom to have guns, even if you're gonna say it's not, the core reason is that it keeps the government in check and that they can only exert so much power and authority. It's part of the algorithm of how much can they lord over us if the entire population has guns, and there is a risk of will people stand up to a government that has become too tyrannical? So that's a part of the algorithm of life in the United States of America, is that the government is somewhat kept in check. They can't go to 100% taxes, for example. They can't decide, hey, we're going to round up every third grandmother, because people do have guns, and they will be opposed. Now, I would just pose back to Tim, as he's saying that that is an element of it, but it's not the core reason. So let's just imagine that someone put forward the argument right now of we have no risk of an outside army coming into the United States of America. Does Tim think that people shouldn't have a right to bear guns, or would he state, as one of the reasons why it's good that Americans have guns is because it does check a tyrannical government from forming. I don't think he wants to reject that as a good reason for Americans have guns. And he's kind of even admitting here that that is part of the reason why Americans have guns.

A (26:09)

Yeah, agreed. All right, here, let's keep playing.

C (26:14)

A provision about conscription not being necessary because the actual intent was, in a time of war, we need people to be able to defend their communities. They gotta have guns. Only one component of that is in the event of tyrannical government. However, Thomas Jefferson, who famously wrote the letter saying that, you know, what is it? Every 200 years, the tree of liberty must be, must be water with the blood of patriots and tyrants, later went to say, yeah, I shouldn't have said that. And many of the founding fathers actually held the opinion that the crown wasn't necessarily the problem, Parliament was, and the king would not come to their aid. It wasn't this cut and dry thing like, the king is bad. No, it was, we're not being represented in government as it stands right now. Ulysses Grant, what he wrote was, you have regis of grievances, you have elections, you are not facing taxation without representation. So while you can try to rebel, you will be conquered by your betters. So the argument right now is this, I'll put it simply. First of all, when these people come out and go, Tim's a bootlicker for defending ice. I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand. It's my boots, it's mine. I voted for them. I'm wearing the boot. I'm stomping on the ground. I ain't licking anybody. I'm clapping for these people that I said, please go out and enforce the law. And anybody else who's cheering for it, who voted for it too, we're all wearing the boots. You're the one crying. You're the one saying, you're coming in.

A (27:37)

Tim, brother, this is the cringiest shit.

B (27:42)

I've ever seen in my life.

A (27:43)

This is the gayest, cringiest shit I've ever seen. You, you are an 8 year old boy playing with action figures right now. But you're an adult broadcasting this to hundreds of thousands of people. Like, this is just so goddamn. I mean, I. I don't know. Like, dude, this has crossed the line of, like, it's not even in political commentary anymore. You're like in some type of fetish right now. You're wearing the boot. I'm wearing the boot and I'm crushing everybody. I crushed you and I crushed you. Like, Tim, what the are you doing right now, bro? You're spurging out. You're not crushing anyone, dude. Like, don't get me wrong, you're very successful. You've made millions and millions of dollars with your show. You're sitting in the house playing video games, bro. I've seen your setup. You're not wearing any boots, you're not crushing anybody. Oh, by the way, hey, Tim Pool. They just backed down. Was that your decision? Did you take off your boots and start walking in the opposite direction? I thought you wanted to keep doing this. That's so weird, dude. It's almost like you're not actually making any decisions. You're just simping for other men and feeling some sense of toughness somehow through is fucking weird, dude. I'm sorry. It is a weird fucking thing to see. Again, listen, as I, as I caveat it on the last show, maybe some more information about that shooting comes out. Maybe there's something we didn't know that comes out, but all the information we have right now looks like an indefensible bad shooting. You know, debatably murder. But you take that immediately and just start talking about how you're not boot looking, you're not boot licking because you're wearing the boot. Like, so. Is there ever such a thing as boot licking, Tim? Like, because you've used the term before. I've heard you. But then couldn't everybody always just say that, no, it's my boot. No, it's not, dude. No, it's not. Tim. You pay the government millions of dollars in taxes. Tim has paid this government millions of dollars. And I don't even mean this government is in the Trump administration, because, I mean, come on. What? Honestly, like, it's. It's. Honestly, it's a, it's a sophomoric way of viewing the regime to even think it's a completely new regime under Donald Trump, like, as if the cabal of big banks and big pharmaceutical companies and big weapons companies and deep state actors who control this whole apparatus, just control when Donald Trump came in, like, no, there's a few different players in here, but it's the same. So anyway, Tim Pool has paid millions of dollars over the last few years to a government who's doing a bunch of things with his money that he hates. He was not for the funding the war in Ukraine. I think if you pushed him to it, he'd say he's not for funding Israel either. He was not for lockdowns, he was not for vax mandates. And yet your money, Tim helped pay for it. Okay, now don't get me wrong, this isn't a comment on you. I'm in the same situation too. Probably haven't paid as much taxes as you, but I've paid quite a bit. An uncomfortable amount, but. So like, don't sit here and tell me you're the boot dude and you're this tough guy and you get into fights. No, you send your money into a regime to do things that you don't want done with it because they'll fucking throw you in jail. You're not the boot dude. You're the guy underneath the boot. So get out of this eight year old fantasy and let's, let's have a conversation in reality about what's going on. Any thoughts on this cringe fest?

B (31:22)

Yeah. Does Tim's boots match his hat when he gets.

A (31:27)

It's just two. Two beanies? Yeah.

B (31:29)

When he gets dressed up, are they color coded? Coded. You know, make sure they're properly arranged for other people to lick them.

A (31:38)

I just like, I don't know man. It's like for this to the start of this was criticizing of libertarians for. And you know, I guess more broadly there is a thing that it does rub me the wrong way. And by the way, I've said this on Tim's show a couple years ago and it wasn't about this specific topic obviously, but there is this thing. Whereas right now, I don't know if you've seen on social media there's a whole lot of supposed right wingers or whatever, Trump supporters who are really trash and libertarians like, oh yeah, you libertarians, you just, you guys want this type of thing. You're not ready for a fight.

D (32:17)

Lol.

A (32:17)

Burt's as. As Tim calls him. And it's just, I don't know man, it's just the relationship between libertarians and right wingers, at least to me particularly like the Ron Paul, you know, real, the camp that we're in, like the real libertarians there are in the 21st century. So like 911 happens by the way, before 911 Ron Paul for a decade was warning about 9 11. He was like guys, we cannot keep messing around in the Middle east like that. These people are going to commit acts of terrorism against us. Like this is going to happen. Predicted it like perfectly. Then 911 happens immediately. The, the you know, all the right wingers in the country are supporting George W. Bush. He had like, I think 99.5% approval rating amongst Republicans. Like, it was. He had. They had the highest approval ratings in, in, I believe, in the history of the country immediately after 9, 11. And he's like talking about invading Iraq and passing the Patriot act and all this. And the libertarians were like, do not do this, do not do this. This is a disaster. You know, then there was all the money, money printing. Libertarians like, do not do this. You're going to Deb. Then, you know, all through Covid, Ron Paul and Tom woods and us. And we were good on it through the whole damn thing. They finally caught on all of these issues, all of them. They finally caught up to us and admitted that we're right about all of it. To the fact that now Rob, guys like Jack Pacabiak, he made. I shared it a couple of weeks ago on Twitter. He made like a little mini documentary about the war in Iraq. It was great. It was great. And it was all. It could have been made by me or Scott Horton, dude. Like, it was all clean break strategy. The neocons, the Israel lobby, Benjamin Netanyahu, how we got into this, the Wesley Clark, seven countries in five years. Like, all that shit was in it. Really well done. So like 20 years later, you'll admit we're right about everything. But then as soon as we try to, like, tell you something in the moment, you just dismiss us and just keep going the other direction. Like, okay, all right, just keep doing it again. In years you'll be making. It'll all just be acknowledged that we were right about this too. And again, by the way, we're not even saying don't do the deportations. We're just saying, like, have a goddamn strategy. All right, here, let's keep playing and vote for.

C (34:42)

Well, I got bad news for you. The American people voted for the Republican Party in the House, the Senate, the presidency, and they got the Supreme Court. That means it's the will of the people and democracy that we enforce our immigration law. I'm not going to sit here and say that children should get wrapped up and abused or anything stupid like that. Your stories are fake and they're not happening. Mistakes are made. Those are bad. We'll figure that out. But the margin of error is always going to exist and we are going to do what our laws say. And these laws were not written by me, nor are they written by the current Congress. Our immigration laws were written 30 plus years ago. 40, 50 years ago. I only ask as a voter, and I know most of you watching that we have those laws upheld. So when I see DHS ICE and they go out and they're armed and they're putting down these protesters, and then people look at me and say, you're licking their boot up. But you misunderstand. I hired the boot. I'm paying their bills and clapping for them. So crying more about it. But your lies and manipulations ain't playing with me at all. Because I got to tell you, I honestly don't even care about this argument coming from communists that they should have a right to keep and bear arms. You want to come to me and say, but what about your principles, Tim? Don't people right to keep bear arms? I'll say, generally speaking, yes. But when a communist comes to me and says I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I'll return the favor and say, neither should you.

A (36:04)

Wow. Well, that is just so goddamn impressive and tough and manly. You'll say, you can't either. You know, it's funny because Tim goes, hey, first off, I thought he was wearing the boot. But then he's like, I just want the laws enforced that were written by Congress 30 years ago. It's like, okay, and what does the law say about guns? What does the Second Amendment say? I mean, it's pretty clear there's. Yeah. I mean, obviously, Tim Pool is a constitutional scholar now, so. But what does the law say? Forget your interpretation of why it is the law of the land. The Second Amendment is the law of the land. And so if you're talking about enforcing the law, it's like, yeah, dude, it is true, right, that the. And I think both of us would agree, right? The law is that you're not allowed to enter the country illegally or you're not allowed to stay in the country past your legal status. And so, yeah, if you've done that, you've broken the law. But the law also says that you're allowed to film law enforcement in public. The law also says that you have the right to bear arms. The law also says that US Citizens have to answer questions from law enforcement without a lawyer present. There's lots of laws going on here. So the point is that, like, yeah, you can conduct deportations. You have to do that in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution. That's actually the legal argument here. So, again, like, I liked him. I'm not trying to, like, beat up on him too hard, but, like, it's just that he's trashing what seemed to be me. Maybe I'm taking that the wrong way, but either way he's trashing libertarians with the view approximating what I said and then having the most embarrassing crash out while he. But I just couldn't not cover this on the show.

B (37:52)

I don't know, it's not a very principled ending. Also, the. I guess since you guys don't believe in the law of the second amendment, I don't believe in it for you. It's not a very principled approach to life of well, if I have the authority and power to abuse you, then I will utilize it because you will towards me. It's not really a landscape for freedom.

A (38:14)

Yeah. And I don't know, you know, look, I mean it's never, and this is kind of, I think, the position that I've found myself in over the last couple days. It's never, you know, whenever you have a nuanced position or if you're not just throwing red meat to your base, but you're actually asking your base to like sit and think about this for a little bit, you never have quite the same energy behind you. And this is why a lot of shows blow up. A lot of people get really, really big because they're just never going to tell you anything other than what you already want to hear. But it's just not how I work. It's not what I like to do. I think it's not what our audience likes from our show. And even when you say this, it's like they're very sloppy with the way they just say the communists, like I don't even know, like, look, there are some communists out there, but like, is everybody who's against ICE deportations a communist? No, I don't exactly think that's true. And in terms of you, if you're going to have this attitude, which I understand why it's tempting for some people, but like if you're going to have this attitude where it's like, well, hey, I get to decide you're a communist. It's very kind of similar to the liberal like impulse to just call everyone a Nazi. I've decided you're a communist, therefore you're kind of like not a person in my mind anymore. But you're advocating against the Constitution, therefore I'm advocating against the Constitution for you. Again, that is really nice for an 8 year old boy playing with action figures. But like, don't you see? If you just think that through like, and just pretend to be like a grown up for a second and, like, think about that. You go, okay, but then you're advocating repealing the Constitution as well, right? Because we either have these protections legally or we don't. And at this point, we, we've shredded the Constitution quite a bit. But, like, there are still some protections that we have from it. So you're going to go like, ha, ha ha, I'm wearing the boot now. Even though you're not. You're playing make believe, but you're going to go, I'm wearing the boot now, and therefore I'm advocating against gun rights for the people who are against gun rights. Like, all right, is that really a recipe for success? Is that a recipe for you to maintain your gun rights? I don't know. Seems like something you might want to rethink. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Rouget. If you've ever found yourself in that awkward situation, waiting to pick up a prescription at the pharmacy counter for an issue you'd rather not announce to the whole world, there's people all around you. Your piano teacher from third grade is sitting behind you. But there's a better way. In fact, a next gen solution. And unlike other popular brands, it's made right here in America. Roette Ready. The first ever ED treatment to prime the brain for arousal and boost blood flow at the same time. It works in as little as 15 minutes. It stays effective for up to 36 hours and addresses both the physical and mental aspects of ed, something traditional pills are unable to deliver on. And the whole process is very simple. It's 100% online. You answer some questions, it gets reviewed by a doctor, and within 24 to 48 hours, your prescription shows up at your door in discreet packaging. Within a week, no insurance companies, no awkward pharmacy encounters, and no runaround. So if you're ready to give Rouget a try, get 15% off your first order by going to rouget.comdave. that's R U G I E T.comdave. and use the promo code Dave. Or you can click on the link in the episode description. Description. Once again, rouget.com Dave promo code Dave for 15 off. All right, let's get back into the show. I don't know. Seems a reasonable claim to me here. Let's do, let's do the Nick Fuentes one because he, he came at me too. But I will say I think Nick probably in a more intelligent way came at me here. But again, and I've had this I, you know, since we, since I had him on the podcast, there's been like maybe like three times where I've seen, you know, I don't watch his show. I mean, not like an insult to him. I don't watch Tim Pool's show or anything. I just don't have time to watch everybody else's shows. But I'll see the clips like on Twitter and people tag me in him and stuff. And I've seen like maybe three times that he's like, brought me up to disagree with something I'm saying. And every single time it's always like we're just, just talking past each other. It's like, yeah, but did you listen to what I said? Because that wasn't really the point of it at all. And I thought this was kind of in the same vein. So let's, let's go to the Fuentes clip.

D (43:00)

If the laws are not being respected, people need to be arrested. If they resist arrest, then they need to be neutralized. That's not fascism, that's not Nazism. That's the basis of any society. That's the basis of any order. You cannot have radical nut jobs vetoing elections and laws and the maintenance of, of order in a society. That is ridiculous. And by the way, you know, I see a lot of people on Twitter, I saw Dave Smith say this and others too, they say, you know, I'm all in favor of immigration restriction, but I don't like these heavy handed tactics. Okay, well how do you think we're going to do it exactly? Hmm? You want to deport a million people per year? That's 4,000 people per day. They don't want to leave. They have it too good here. They would rather take the chance because America is so much better. They'd rather take their chances with ICE and Border Patrol and dhs because America is so much richer than go back home voluntarily. They don't want to go. How do you get 4,000 people every single day to leave the country when they don't want to leave? Well, you have to coercively remove them. You have to show up with guns, with overwhelming force, using intelligence. And with respect to law enforcement, you need to do it in such a way where law enforcement is not put in jeopardy. You have to pick these people up, throw them in a car, put them in a cage, and then take them back to where they came from. How do you do this without somebody being accidentally arrested somewhere? 4,000 per day, 365 days a year. How do you do this without One person being accidentally arrested. It can't happen. Okay, well, now you have left wing agitators showing up in every city in Chicago, in la, in Minneapolis, rioting, firebombing the facilities, harassing ice. Now you have a hostile environment. Local police will not respond to distress calls from federal law enforcement. The local government is giving sanctuary to these people. They're actively enabling and emboldening the agitators. So what? Now you got to deport 4,000 people per day, plus you got to do it while you're being chased and shot at and boxed in and firebombed. And you think nobody's going to die? You think not one person is going to die? They're using vehicles as weapons, they're showing up armed. You've got TikToks with 10 million views saying we have to show up with guns and have a standoff with law enforcement. And you say, well, you know, I'm in favor of mass deportations, but I don't think violence.

A (46:00)

Okay, okay, you're not. Okay, so the thing. So essentially, I guess that's the. Here, you know what, you could just finish it. Because I guess that was getting right to the end of the clip. So let me let him make his.

D (46:10)

Final point double to achieve it. You're not really in favor of mass deportations then? Sorry, that's what's involved in this.

A (46:22)

So again, what. It just makes me wonder. Well, by the way, let me say first and foremost, Nick, it's. I think the agreement we have here is that when you start talking about me, you're supposed to give a caveat of, and I like Dave Smith. That's how we always do it, me and you. So I'll do that. You didn't respect the code here, brother. But I will. I like Nick and I think Nick is. Nick does read books and Nick is smart. I don't. It's like, did you finish the tweet? Did you just read the first line of it or did you actually finish it? Because the whole point that Nick is dodging it, which Nick knows, this, I think Nick should know better than this, is that those mass deportations aren't happening. Donald Trump already caved on them, remember? Why do you think it is that Donald Trump happened to choose hospitality and farming? Oh, yeah, cuz it's big business. I said this in the tweet. I said this in the episode yesterday. The whole point here is that mass deportations are not happening. So now Nick is making the argument that if you really want to, if you really want to get 50 million people out of the country. Well, then we're going to have to do it in huge numbers. It's going to require huge violence. And, yeah, people are going to die. People are going to die. You can't get squeamish every time someone dies or something like that, because, hey, the only way we're going to do this is with overwhelming force. Okay, here's the major problem with that. We're not doing any of that. None of that is happening. Also, logistically, it's kind of impossible. Look, here's the bottom line. I know we talked a little bit about some of this stuff on the show the other day. There's, like, maybe in the ballpark of like, 200,000 illegal immigrants in Minneapolis. There's millions in Texas, millions. So even by Nick's own logic, if they were doing mass deportations, and they were, well, it would still make sense to, like, yeah, then go where the numbers are, man. You're the one saying we need 4,000 a day. Well, then why are you going? They sent in a force of 3,000 people. There's. There's. It was something like 3,000 people they sent into Minnesota to maybe get. To try to get 200,000 people with the. If you're talking numbers here and how we got to get these huge numbers, you're not even going in the right place. You're not going where the numbers are. And you could say that it's in all these blue states again, like we said yesterday. So just be smart about this then. So go get all of them out of the red states, if that's your argument. Now, I. I will say also, I do find this. And look, I understand, obviously, like. Like, Nick's political worldview is like, that he's okay with the brutalism or whatever of all of this. Like, it's like, yeah, dude, we're getting rid of 50 million immigrants. And, hey, if some people die, some people die. Now, I do not understand for the life of me how you can square that with Christianity. Just my own view. Maybe someone could explain that to me. I don't know how you can square with Christianity the idea that, like, yeah, some people die, some people die or whatever. And even if you were. Even if you were doing the numbers that he is fantasizing about, which he knows damn well is not what the Trump administration is doing, but even if you were doing those numbers, it would still be reasonable to go. If law enforcement has a guy on the ground and takes his weapon away, they can't just empty nine bullets into the guy. Like, these two things are not at odds with each other. You can think murder and rape and theft should be illegal. You could think we need to have a big police force in order to do that. And you could still think they're not allowed to just murder people. There's no contradiction between those two. But then the other thing, that's crazy. I mean, look, the other thing that's like a fantasy about this is that, well, one, it's a fantasy because Donald Trump's just not even trying to do this. It's not going to do any of that. So in other words, what we're getting is a big show for nothing. None of those numbers that Nick's talking about, that's just made up, that's essentially on the level of Tim Pool playing with action figures. This is make believe. But even if we were Rob, I mean, like, logistically, if someone really had a plan for Mass Deep, like, let's say you're talking about actually trying to get, you know, whatever numbers. I mean, obviously, I'm sure Nick knows it's not going to be up to 50 million or 30 million or whatever the number that, that he'd ideally want it to be. But what are there, like, I think ICE has like 20,000 agents. A little over 20,000 or something like that. How exactly is this going to work? How? Like, like the idea that you could do mass deportations in a way that is just this overwhelming show of force. One by one, we're going to round people up and throw them in a van. And, yeah, some people die and some people get killed and we'll get the wrong people sometimes, but that's the way we're going to do it. It's like, I don't know, man. This just doesn't make any sense. If there, if what Nick wanted was actually real and the Trump administration was actually serious about removing people in these large numbers, you would see attempts to legislate this. And he'd be going after the big hotel chains, he'd be going after the big factory farms, he'd be going after illegalizing remit remittances, and he'd be going after, you know, like E Verify or, you know what I'm saying? Like, you would have to do this in a major way where you actually, you know it for, like, all the people who are arguing. Cash Patel, I said the other day, there's a network of these communist agitators and they're propped up by NGOs, like, well, it's a shame we don't have anyone at the FBI who could maybe look into that. You know what I'm saying? Like, just, like, if you want to say that you really want to do something like that, well, then isn't the onus on you to be like, okay, and what exactly is the plan here? Because going about it like this, obviously, is. Is completely counterproductive to your own goal. And so, I don't know. I just felt like. It's like I thought Nick was. And I've seen him do this a few times before. I just feel like he's, like, he's not grappling with the point that I'm actually making. He's essentially saying, oh, you're too soft. You don't have the stomach for this. Well, okay. I mean, yeah, I don't think it's good when people get killed in. Especially in situations where it's pretty clear they didn't need to be. Yeah, I do think that's bad, and I. I'm quite comfortable with that view. I don't want to be doing the Tim Pool thing here. I don't like doing the thing like, yeah, I'm a big, tough guy or something because some other men went and did something. No, I do think that's pretty horrible. But it's not simply me saying, hey, I want mass deportations, but I don't want to have to deal with any of the violence that comes with that. I'm saying, yeah, I think we have a right to do mass deportations. We're not doing them because this administration has completely sold out its own base. And since we're not doing them anyway, having these big shows of force, this pure theater. It's pure theater to send 3,000 people into an area that maybe have 200,000 illegal immigrants and have this huge show of force to get Biden numbers of deportations, Obama numbers of deportations. This is. This is just not. He's not actually taken on what I'm saying here. 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Any thoughts, Rob?

B (54:46)

I think that was a smarter critique than anything I was going to say. As I had forgotten about that little variable of Trump's not actually doing the mass deportations and he was just taking that as a given, so.

A (54:58)

But I think Nick knows that it's.

B (55:02)

Really interesting on the remittances thing because I was thinking about that while he was talking is firstly, I just feel like you can incentivize local law enforcement, just whatever the cost of ICE is, just give bonuses every time they pull someone. Firstly, I'm not even that into maybe that level of mass deportations. And I think, listen, I'm not pro tariffs and I'm not as into this narrative of that every American needs a job and let's push up all the way, push up the cost of everything in line. I think there's kind of just a dishonest conversation about how much foreign labor we really need. But I get amongst, you know, real strong conservatives. That's not the most popular opinion. But just speaking to, if you're looking for, I guess, the easiest route to deport people, I think there's probably more civil ways to just make it less pleasant to just be here, which includes if you're not from this country and you're getting pulled over by a cop, I don't know why you should just be, oh, here's your ticket, or pull up the. I mean, there's got to be records on everyone who's received a license in these areas that are not actual American citizens. I feel like there's gotta be some pretty good databases to actually figure out where people are. So you aren't just marching on the streets with ICE and causing panic. And as we said, the lowest hanging fruit here is just start with the conservative areas and let the sanctuary cities fail. Get like, just let it get to a point. Fine. Let all the illegal immigrants flood into the sanctuary cities because they think that gets the safe space. And what, you think the sanctuary cities are going to go forever? Hey, we love all These illegal immigrants in our area, you really like, that doesn't sound sustainable. Sounds to me like you're going to have local law enforcement begging for some support.

A (56:36)

Yeah. I mean, it also just seems like we. I mean, look, we know what we know and we don't know everything, but, like, there's pretty. There's really no question that, like, the mass migration during the Biden years, and I think previously, too, but certainly during the Biden years, this was not exactly just organic. It's not just that, like, oh, it's better in America, and that's why all these people came up here. Like, there was a coordinated effort. And in fact, this administration has made some major accusations about how the Biden administration was paying them straight up. But there's a coordinated effort between, like, the United Nations, a handful of. Of NGOs with all types of Soros footprints all over them or fingerprints all over them, and then coordination with the border security that you're gonna like, kind of fund these huge caravans of people, the caravans by the tens of thousands. If you remember, this was a regular occurrence under Joe Biden coming up and being let into the country. So, like, why don't you go after that criminal network, expose the thing, make it a big. Make that the big public show that we're going to, like, Cash Patel is going to come out here and lay out the evidence. There's going to be indictments that are coming down. We're going to, like, really, like, expose this whole thing and try to undo this big system. And then, yeah, you'd have to have, like, big, you know, bold moves of, like, cracking down on the major hirers of mass, you know, like, of huge numbers of illegal immigrants. But then again, as Nick already knows, none of that's happening. Nick will be the first one to tell you that this government's completely controlled by Israel. Right. So, like, what was the first thing that Donald Trump did with his mandate for mass deportations? He started kicking legal residents out for criticizing Israel because Miriam Adelson wanted him to. So, like, so now you're in this position where you are. You're supporting the Zionist occupied government or whatever, from your perspective, doing more stuff, even though you're not going to get that result. So, like, I guess, like, again, like, I was always making the juice isn't worth the squeeze argument here. And, and I'm. I don't know. I mean, look, it's. It's a fair point to go. Would I really have the stomach for, like, the type of mass deportations that Nick wants to do maybe not, you know. And so maybe he's right in a sense that, like, he'll say I would support, like the brutality. I'd support turning us into a legitimate fascist state in order to get all the illegals out. And maybe I wouldn't. So he's got somewhat of a point there, I suppose. But all that's just in an exercise in theory. None of that has anything to do with what's going on on the ground. The question here isn't are you willing to support ICE murdering and kidnapping American citizens in order to get mass deportations? The question here is, are you willing to support ICE murdering and kidnapping American citizens in order to get slightly higher than Biden level deportations? That's what I'm saying is crazy. And there's no reason for anyone to support that shit.

B (59:59)

So interesting the remittances play. Like if they said, anyone who criminally worked in the United States of America and they're trying to send money anywhere, we're seizing that money to fund ice. I don't know the legality of that or nor do I know how you would track those funds. But in terms of just making people's stay here more unpleasant than maybe they wanted to self deport, I'm surprised they haven't even explored that avenue.

A (60:23)

Yeah, because it seems like they're not really interested in solving the problem, Rob. You know, it's like that's not really what this is about. And I'm sorry, but like, it is. Look, it is true that. Look, it's true that everybody who's here illegally doesn't have a right to be here and that I think we have the right to remove them. It's also the case that it's a civil infraction or at least overstaying as a civil infection, I guess. Illegal border crossing, I think, is a felony. But still it's like you kind of like, I don't know that it doesn't follow from that that therefore you got to support essentially ice. Like, they go around like it's like, like in Boston after the marathon bombing, remember when they just kind of instituted martial law. They were pointing their guns at people and telling them to get back in your house. It's like these killers are on the loose. Now, that was totally illegal. They had absolutely no legal authority to do that. But like, there was just like a big terrorist attack. You know, it's like ICE is going around as if that's the situation through suburban neighborhoods. And so like being a border hawk, supporting deportations you can do all of that and still go, this is kind of fucking crazy. And one of the things I will say that I think is a real. I think there's like a real issue on the right wing. I talked about this a little bit on the, on the show yesterday, and obviously, like, I'm not lumping Tim Pool and Nick Fuentes together. I mean, Nick is much further to the right than, than Tim is. But there's this issue where it's like, I think part of it is because what, what character, what characterized so much of the leftist rhetoric over the last 15 years was like, softness. You know, it was always faux humanitarianism, but it was always like in the, the language of, oh, think about the humanitarianism of trans people or whatever. It was always this very like, overly feminine, overly soft kind of rhetoric. And so then like, the pushback to that on the right wing becomes like, well, we'll be the most hardcore. But like, just celebrating blowing up and people getting killed is not actually good or healthy or Christian or right wing wing. It's just kind of immature. And like, if you want to do something like this, it's like, yeah, look, we laid out on the show yesterday, this is the problem. There are these crazy leftists. They are obstructing the, the kind of will of the people and the will of this new regime who was democratically elected. Okay, but you know what? That's the chessboard now. That, that's the chessboard. And it's like, you got to deal with that and then you got to come up with a plan to, on how to deal with the facts on the ground and to just provoke the biggest reaction for the least bit of juice is just not wise, just not a smart policy. And look, by the way, this is the last thing I'll say on it, Rob, but I'm sure they'll find a way to twist this. It's like the same way that Tim Pool said Candace Owens is the reason why the Republicans are going to lose the midterms. And you're like, guys, Candace is pretty big, don't get me wrong. But like, I don't actually think that's the. I think maybe Donald Trump completely selling out his base might be a little bit more of the reason. And in a similar sense, I'm sure they could find a way to go, well, it's, it's people like you, Dave, and that's what ruined this whole thing, is that we're just too soft or something like that. But, like, honestly, we got a fairly popular podcast here, Rob, But I don't actually think we're, like, moving the needle that much because, like, look, Trump's backing down already. Isn't that kind of indicating to the position. Yeah, that's the result of embracing this type of brutality. Not, oh, we get 50 million people deported. It's now you won't get any more out of this area. Maybe not anymore, but it's certainly. It's a hindrance to the effort that Nick supposedly wants. So anyway, I. Guys, I'm listening to all the critiques. I'm unpersuaded by them, so maybe there's a better one than what we covered here. Anyway, thank you guys very much.

B (64:39)

And I just added a show I got. I'm back up at the Shell for Valentine's Day, so if you guys are around, always a fun venue. And then check out run your mouth and porching still out there. So it's still fresh.

A (64:53)

Fresh.

B (64:53)

Go check it out.

A (64:55)

Still fresh. Check it out. And go see Rob up in. Up in New Hampshire. That's. We got some good people out there. Come on out. All right, guys, catch you next time. Peace.