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Foreign. What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. Good to be with you people. Good to be with you, Rob. How are you today?
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B
I'm doing well. How are you, Mr. Smith?
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A
I'm good. You know what I. I started thinking about that's actually been putting me in a good mood, is that we're going to Key west in a few weeks.
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B
Oh, yeah, I got to book that flight. I could use that vacation right now. Let's go.
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Oh, dude, it's. This is. I don't know why it's not like the biggest club, but I loved that so much going down there last year. Just really, really fun when you live in New Jersey, or in Rob's case, Connecticut. But same point in February to just go down to Key west for a few days and just relax.
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B
I haven't been drinking, smoking or anything. I'm going to make up for all that in Key West.
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A
It is.
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B
I can tell myself, you're going to Key west in two weeks. Relax.
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A
Yeah, no, it's impossible to not drink in Key West. I'm pretty sure it's illegal. They might just shoot you on the street.
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B
You're not allowed to support you.
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Yeah, you can't. You can't touch those roosters. But you could shoot a man who's not drinking in Key West. I think, like, you have to be within two feet of a cocktail at all times. Like, you got to be able to grab ones. That's. Yes. And I didn't make it up, but I will go there every year. So. Yeah, looking forward to that. Just also because. Just particularly because it's been. I mean, for those of you guys who aren't on the Northeast, it's been frigid out here, man. It's like. I think. And it's supposed to be. It was like 10 degrees yesterday. It's like 10 degrees today. I think it's supposed to be in the negatives in the next couple days. It's a real good time. Yeah, it's a real good time to dip down to. To Key west for a little bit. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to. For today's show, I want to talk about something which is. It's. It's a. A bit of a broad theme, and then there's. There's several different kind of examples of what it is. I'm talking about something I'm very concerned with and because we've been saying for a while, Rob. Right. Like there's just. The United States of America is in a very weird position right now, very strange. And I, I try. You know, like they say history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes or something, and things are kind of cyc. So when you try to understand these things, you try to, like, look for, you know, other moments in history that had some similarities, but it's very hard to find one because this is such a unique moment. And you know, essentially, like, as we talked about through kind of all of last year, it was one of the biggest themes of last year that, like the, the government, the government's propaganda apparatus has essentially been shattered. There is no more consensus on anything. And in fact, to the, to the extent that there is a consensus, it's almost like hours, like the, the podcast scenes. Consensus, you know, like, like, I'm just saying, like, you know, when they used to say, like, the scientific consensus on Covid or something like that. Well, what's the consensus on Covid now? I guess it's kind of like, oh, the government fucked everything up. The media lied to everybody. That's kind of the consensus now. But there's no, like, real apparatus that the government has, which they always have, and particularly in modern nation states, like, they've just always had this. And so it does. There is this weird feeling, right? It, it kind of feels like you remember in the old cartoons, Rob, when like a character would, like, run off a cliff, but then they make it a few more steps and then they have a moment where they pause and then they look down and then they fall. It feels like we're a. Right about to look down. Like, we're like, it just. There's look, I mean, Donald Trump, think, Think about the last year, the year that was 2025, and how much like the, the pro Israel arguments just got completely destroyed. You know, all the anti war people were ascending and all the war hawks are just getting embarrassed. And then as a result of that, Donald Trump's going more hawkish than he's ever gone before. So there's this, there's this weird kind of like asymmetry or something, and that's not the right word. There's this weird dynamic where, like in the propagation, in terms of the, the narrative war, our side is dominating in terms of the policy, we're losing worse than ever. And one of the things that I've been concerned about, very concerned about, is like, okay, so what comes next? And you know, the state, at the end of the day, the state is an instrument of force, and they Use propaganda to convince you that their force is legitimate. But if they run out of propaganda, all they got left is force, you know what I mean? Like, that's, there's. They're. They came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they're all out of bubblegum. So the state is all out of propaganda. The only thing they have left is kicking ass. And it does just make you wonder what, what is going to come next? And this is something I've been concerned about, you know, another round of mass censorship on the Internet hate speech laws as we've seen this administration move to support. And so it's within that context that I've seen two videos. I was, I was thinking about playing the videos on, on the show, but I guess I, I don't think it really adds anything. They're not great for those who listen audio only. It's not great audio on them. But essentially there's one video in one video in Texas. It's both the same things. It's cops showing up to people's houses over tweets that they've sent. Now, while this is going on, our kind of sister country In Europe, the UK has arrested like 12,000 people this year for tweets or posts on social media. And of course, Rob, what's not shocking at all is what both of these tweets were over was Criticiz criticizing Israel, of course. And so you just. Look, I'm not like predicting some dystopian thing coming tomorrow, but it certainly is disturbing, as when you're seeing, like the, the administration from the top kind of all the way down to the bottom, talking about how they are going to be, you know, cracking down on what they call anti Semitism, AKA using Ben Shapiro's definition of anti Semitism anytime you criticize Israel. So this is very disturbing. I'm sure you saw the videos, right, Rob?
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B
I did. I think one of the only things, you know, that was likable about Trump was we thought the censorship climate would be better and it could not have been worse over the COVID regime. I mean, that was absolutely the most censorship I've ever experienced. But through the whole WOKE agenda, there was censorship. If you're criticizing global warming, there are a lot of topics that the Internet would, would take you down for. But Covid was the worst. I mean, I got repeated strikes on my channels. And the climate itself, I do think is different just because the media apparatus has lost so much, you know, viewership and support. And Twitter thus far is still an open and free space, which kind of challenges YouTube and the other ones to try and stay in line, to keep engagement and not be the places of censorship. But the Donald Trump regime is certainly looking into more censorship for Israel. You got Larry Ellison who bought up TikTok and you had, you know, even had Netanyahu talking about why it's important that people are taking over TikTok. And this seems to be a major escalation of knocking on actual people's doors who have, you know, just said words online.
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B
You never tik tock.
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I've never tik tocked. Tik tock tie real good. I've never. I have never tik tocked. Never won. Not even one talk. But I know that it's huge and it was real big, like, for Gen Z. People really love watching it. And so, like, I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything to take that over. I do think that that was like a, A f. Fertile ground for a lot of people to wake up to some of the lies that the, The War party has told us. But, you know, if there's other social media platform, if they end up shutting that down, people just move over to the other site. So, like, as long as there's some. As long as you got like, like you said there, right? Like, as long as Twitter's a whole lot better about censoring people. YouTube's a whole lot better. We still got Rumble. You still, like, as long as you have, like, at least a few big ones, eh, it's fine. They'll go over that. And buying CBS News, it's like, what a joke, dude. You know, you're literally. You're spending all this money for the name, the name brand cbs. And it's a name that no one trusts or gives a shit about. It's the dumbest thing. Like, you might as well spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying shit soda or something. Like what? No one wants it. But that's the thing, you know, it's like, we talked about this a lot. They keep failing. They keep losing every goddamn one of these things. Rob, every time there's a War Party event, there's the Jewish Organization for this or the Zionist Organization for that or the whatever, you know, whatever. Anything where anyone from the American Enterprise Institute is speaking or the, you know, whatever. They're all. The topic is always the same. They all get up there and go, hey, we are getting killed. You know, we've played the clips of that crazy lady who was Obama's speechwriter. There's just, just the other day at this one, we're going to play a clip from Pam Bondi talking at this, this event. What's her name? Who's the former dnc? No, no, the former DNC chair, Wasserman Schultz. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yeah, she, she's. She's 10 out of 10. There's a. No, she just got up there. It's her thing. We're getting killed out here. There's a whole new generation who don't support Israel and they hate Jews and Blah, blah, blah. It's like every single time they're talking about how they're getting killed, so you see things like, oh, cb, this is going to fail. Barry Weiss. That was the most predictable thing ever. Also, by the way, they're so out of touch that Barry Weiss thought, you know who should be in front of the camera? Me. Oh, yes. Let's get. Let's get an unattractive liberal lesbian to, like. It's just. I don't know, it's just bizarre that she even thought I'd be the one who could carry this message.
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B
But her speech in the middle of the country. Dave.
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A
Yeah, right. That's right.
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B
Jewish lesbians represents the middle of the country.
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A
It's literally like what she's trying to do, like an elitist fucking Jewish lesbian. It's just too ridiculous. But, you know, her Erica Kirk interview flopped. Like, nobody watched it. She does this, but no one cares. But so as they keep failing, that's the point I'm making. Then it's like, okay, well, what else do you have other than let's escalate and crack down? Because one of the big advantages that they have over us is that they have, like, the administration's ear. You know, we. We just don't. I mean, we got Tucker Carlson, who still talks to the president, but I don't think he's convincing him. And, you know, like, it's just. It's a different situation. And so you wonder, like, the writing's kind of on the walls. Do they have to crack down on this more in the future? But already, right, Seeing, seeing cops show up to people's houses for posts that they made. And these aren't like, it's not like they're coming to my house or something. Which would be, like, a little bit less alarming. I mean, more so for me, but less so for the country. But it's not like they're coming to someone's house who. It's like, you're a huge. You know, you got a big following on social media, and you're saying this. There's going to random people. Like a random guy just said a thing, and now they're coming after them. Very disturbing. And, and substantially more disturbing than that were these comments made by the disgraced Attorney General Pam Bondi. Let's, let's, let's go to that clip, because this was from the same event that Mary Adelson spoke at the other day. This was. I mean, I just. I couldn't even believe she's saying this shit out loud. But here, let's play that cl.
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I want to tell you a story right here in Florida. You've probably heard of it. It's not a crime of great violence, but in my opinion, it's a crime of great significance. I give college presidents my personal cell phone and I say, if you need anything, call me. My phone rang one day. I was sitting in the office, and it was the president of Florida State University. He said, something just happened. Yeah, A young woman, a student, threw her phone, cursed, attacked a young student, a young man, male student, who was playing basketball because he was wearing an IDF shirt. She was a student. He was a student. I spent the next few hours on the phone. I called my U.S. attorney, I called the state attorney, called law enforcement, and I guess you saw it went through the system as it should. And she now is kicked out of Florida State University. But little things are the big things, and that sends a strong message that you can't behave that way anymore in our country. You can't bully other students simply because they're Jewish and you think they're better than they are.
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Okay, all right. So, I mean, Rob, first of all, in this story, like you do, look, I'm not defending throwing a phone at anybody or nothing like that, but let's just remember what we just heard here. Again, sorry, my. This show is supposed to be, from what I've been informed in, like the Southern Poverty law center and salon.com, all the. All the hit pieces that have ever been written about me. Like, I. This is supposed to be a far right wing show, right? Donald Trump's supposed to be a far right wing government. So, like, it's almost like, what are. Are we a bunch of leftist snowflakes now? Like, you are telling me the story here was a woman bullying a man physically who was playing basketball. So like a guy in reasonably decent enough shape that he's playing a game of basketball and that was he bullied by a woman. That's. Maybe she was crazy and spazzed out on him. I mean, she even opens. I don't know the details of the story. She opens by saying it's not a story of great violence. Essentially, she threw a phone. So, like, okay, that's bad. The school can decide how they reprimand things like that. But for the fucking Attorney General of the United States of America, like, why are you even involved in this? And why are we all cheering? Like, is it so obvious that it's just like a good thing that this kid's life got all up because she got Kicked out of the school she was going to. And the one last thing I'll say. And then. I mean, because there's. There's more to say on this. But also, don't you, like, look, again, not defending it. Not defending anything. Anybody could put on whatever shirt they want to put on. If they want to put on Adolf Hitler was great. Or Joseph Stalin's the man, or a fucking IDF shirt. No, you can't fucking assault people over the goddamn shirt that they wear because this is a goddamn free country. Or at least it's supposed to be. But don't say, you can't say he's wearing an IDF shirt and then say she attacked him just for being Jewish. I'm just so sick of this goddamn conflation. Those are different things. Those are different fucking things. If she just attacked someone for being Jewish, why was it the one with the IDF shirt on and not the one without it? You know what I'm saying, Rob? Like, that is a different thing. You're wearing the T shirt of a military that is committing a genocide. Sorry. That's not just for being Jewish. Now, if you told me that she threw her phone at Benjamin Leibowitz as he was leaving, you know, his dental office, then. Okay, okay, then you're attacking someone just for being Jewish. Maybe. But no, Rob, that's a different thing. Like, in the same sense. Right?
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That.
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And again, logical analogy, not an equation. You always have to preface this, by the way, Rob, I've found that 99% of people cannot tell the difference between that. I'm just saying the logic here, right? If somebody was wearing an Adolf Hitler shirt and you attacked them, you didn't attack them for being German. Right? You get the logic of that. It's not the same thing. And if you. To conflate those two things are just in clearly intentionally dishonest. Those are different fucking things. It wasn't that you were just German. It's that you were specifically making a statement about how you support this group of German people with political power. And what is the beef with that? Oh, they used that power to kill a bunch of innocent people. Hey, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show. This one I am particularly thrilled to tell you about, because it's a cause that's very near and dear to my heart. And that's the shirt that I'm wearing right now, the Scott Horton Academy. Guys, Scott Horton, who's been the most recurring guest on this podcast, simply because he is the most important foreign policy Genius in the country, guys. Just absolutely incredible. Written the best books about the war on terrorism and the the war in Ukraine. Well, now he's launched his latest project, the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom. It's incredible, dude, if you really want to know your stuff, this is what you got to sign up for. This is going to make you an expert, even if you've never been. You will be an expert by the end of this. If you want to know why I'm able to go win all these debates and understand what's going on in the world, it's because of guys like S.C. horton. And this is it. They're gonna he takes you through with other experts in detail. You're gonna get detail step by step. Everything that Scott Horton knows about the world and his smartest friends are all on there teaching you stuff too. Go check them out. Sign up@scott hortonacademy.com problem and start learning all of this stuff. Seriously, you're gonna love it. I just signed up. I'm learning a ton from it myself. It's really great. You're gonna be blown away by this stuff also because it's just like the most fascinating history imaginable. You're going to be able to explain this to other people. You're have a better grasp of the knowledge yourself. You'll be able to go win debates in your personal life or in public if that's the type of thing that you're into. But go sign up and check it out right now. And of course support the best anti war voice in the country, Scott Horton, while you do it. Scott hortonacademy.com problem all right, let's get back into the show Anyway, any thoughts on this, Rob?
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I just love a lady getting up in front of a room of Jews and going, hey, if you guys keep tattletelling, this administration has your back. And then them applauding at the administration. I mean, talk about such a wild escalation. I don't know the incident, but I guess a kid who's playing basketball had a phone thrown at him and he decides to go to the school administration. That kid's already tattletailing. Then the school. Yeah, the school administrator couldn't handle that in house and had to actually call up the Pam Bondi to deal with it. And then Pam Bondi actually took the time to call up lawyers and make sure that this was properly prosecuted. And then you cheer this on in a room full of Jews who go yay, tattletailing.
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Yeah, it's. I Mean, like, dude, they lean into the stereotype so hard. It's like, it is a weird thing. Like, what, are you trying to create more of this? Is that your goal? I mean, again, dude, just think about the Attorney General. I mean, just how pathetic. Believe it.
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B
There was a store and they wouldn't take coupons. They wouldn't take coupons at the store. I mean, I called up the sec.
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A
Dude, and I don't give a shit, man. Like, you know, Dan Bongino can call us a black pillar all he wants to, and all you guys who want to defend Trump can try to make up whatever excuses you want to, but just like, the only dignified thing you can do right now is just to fucking completely abandon this goddamn clown show administration. They're just so awful. It's such a humiliation of the goddamn. Of the whole country. Of their base particularly, but the whole country, like, honestly, dude, I don't even want to hear any more. People just go like, oh, look, Dave's got Trump derangement syndrome. Or something like that. Like, dude, shut the up. I was good on Russiagate before any of you even knew what the it was. I was good on Russiagate before Donald Trump was good on Russiagate. This. Swear to God, true story, Rob me. And you were on it before, if you remember, Rob, when Donald Trump. When they first came to. Donald Trump and Comey himself said this and Trump, they both confirmed this, that his first thing was he bought it. And he went, take everything. He went, what? The Russians have infiltrated my campaign. Oh, my God. Take everything. Here's all of our books, here's all of our notes. Here's everything. He didn't even realize they were trying to set him up. I was like, dude, save your soul and stop supporting Donald Trump right now. This is his attorney general. The chick who covered up the Epstein, who covered up the Epstein pedophile ring. This chick is who's hasn't gone after any of the deep state criminals. Yeah, you remember the ones who framed Donald Trump for treason. He's not going after any of them. Even though the Director of National Intelligence claims she sent her the proof that Obama committed treason and all this other stuff. And don't give me that presidential immunity bullshit either, because fine, even if that were true, that only applies to Barack Obama, not to all of his men. It doesn't apply to Clapper or Comey or Brennan or Joe Biden when he was vice president or any of them. So anyway, so she goes after none of the deep state criminals, none of the people who stole the 2020 election. Like, they claim none of that shit. But if there's one case of anti Semitism on a college campus, she's all over it. She'll make sure. And by the way, Rob, what even is the implication of her story that she called a state attorney general and they all got together, yada, yada, yada? She got kicked out of school. Like, why would the national or state attorney general getting on the phone help a school's ability? We called local law enforcement. What does any of that have to do with getting kicked out of a school? It's just like, all of it. Like. But what are you saying? This is the thing that you will race to, though. A girl threw something at a boy. That's the story you've got here.
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B
It really. Firstly, she comes off like a complete raging lunatic, and I'm surprised she hasn't lost her job. But aside from that, it just does feel like that flavor of the Donald Trump authoritarian regime. I hate, I hate sounding like a leftist, but hey, listen, we're going to police things to the max all the way down to. If there's a lady on a college campus throwing a phone at somebody, you can bet that we're going to take up the call and make sure that they're thrown out of school.
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Yeah, you've.
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B
I mean, you guys are zero tolerance.
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A
You're every bit.
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D
You're.
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You're a cartoonish version of a social justice warrior. What is this shit? Yeah, somebody felt unsafe on a college campus. Get the government involved. Jesus Christ. And I just can't even imagine, you know, like, I mean, I don't know. I grew up in a different world, genuinely. A very different world. I was raised in a very different manner than I raised my kids. Like, I was, I was raised, like, if I came back, which I did when I was six years old, came back to my, my, My mother and my stepfather and told them that, like, a kid just punched me and they went. They kicked me out of the house. They went, go punch him back. And go to, like, that was it. There was no, like, oh, the adults step in here. It was like, no, what are you doing? You're tattling. Go. You know what I mean? Like, that was just the way it was. Now I do not raise my kids that way, okay? Like, that is not my attitude at all. If something like that happened to one of my kids, there would be a meeting about it. And like. But I got little kids. If, if my son was 20 and he told me he was playing basketball and A girl threw something at him. The idea that I'd say, take this to the chancellor, like, what? No, it's just too weird to me. It's too, like. Anyway, the idea that you go take it to the Attorney General is just, like, insane. And also, I don't think. I'm not. I don't know if I. I'd want that girl kicked out of school. Maybe, like, someone should talk to her, maybe some type of punishment, but that would seem a little excessive to me. But for the Attorney General to be bringing this up at an event and talking about it publicly is just. It's beyond bizarre. And look, I mean, again, Rob, like, you, you kind of made one of the points we were saying, like, leaning into stereotypes. Like, going and speaking at a Jewish event and telling them, like, we tattled and we won. You know, that's not great. But then also, I mean, come on, like, as. As Ben Shapiro said the other day, anti Semitism is a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy theory that the Jews run everything. It's like, oh, I mean, what does this look like? What does all of this make it look like? That. Oh, okay. So, like, don't worry. The full force of the federal government is behind making sure that nobody is hostile toward Jews. That kind of confirms the thing. It's like the great old Norm MacDonald joke. It's just like that. All of this just plays right into the stereotypes. It's. It's nothing good coming out of any of this. You know, let's do the. Let's play the. What's his name again? The ADL guy. Hold on one second, I'll. It's the, the last one that I sent you, Jonathan Greenblatt. Because this one is. Is pretty wild as well. This is. This is the head of the ADL giving his take on a similar dynamic.
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So, number one, we measure and track. Number two, we monitor and disrupt. We have a whole apparatus. I have 40 analysts working full time, seven days a week, 24 hours a day, monitoring extremists. We monitor them online. Social media, messaging apps, video games, cryptocurrency, podcasts, short form video, Wikipedia, LLMs. We monitor these people and we share the intelligence with the FBI. You saw last month, you heard about the thing that happened at Wilshire Boulevard Temple. Our analysts investigated what happened. They said they were Koreatown for Palestine. This group, people, they weren't. We were able to ascertain they were from a group called the Turtle Island Liberation Front. Turtle island is how, like left wing activists refer to the United States they don't call it America, they call it Turtle island like the Iranians call it. Iranians call it the Zionist entity. Right. They only call by its name the Turtle Island Liberation Front. We gave them a whole dossier. Who are, what is her. Turtle Island Liberation Front. What are their ideas, their goals? Who are they? We identified the people who are in the synagogue. This was on Wednesday, December 10th. On Monday, December 15th, this is going to ring a bell. Kash Patel announced they cracked a terror ring where they arrested four people who are playing New Year's Eve bombings. Turtle Island Liberation Front, at least one of the people I know for certain was in the building at Wilshire Boulevard Temple, vandalizing it and disrupting the event. So we're monitoring left wing radicals like the DSA and the anti war crazies and the pro Palestine crazies. We're monitoring right wing extremists like white supremacists, armed militia groups. We're monitoring political Islamists and Christian nationalists, all of them. And then we train. We're the largest trainer of law enforcement in America. Extremism, hate. We train 20,000 officers every year.
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There you go. And of course, Rob, they'll start with like using one example of like an actual crime and then going, but we monitor everyone. The anti war crazies, the white nationalists, which again, that just encompasses everybody who's critical of Israel. And, and again, all I'm saying here is that you gotta, in, in this game, you gotta listen to what they tell you and what they're all saying at every one of their conferences. All of these things. The, the topic is always, we're getting killed out here. It's Charlie Kirk's letter to Benjamin Netanyahu. We're getting killed out here. What are we going to do? And what they're telling you they're going to do is fucking turn to the government and get the government to start cracking down on these people. And it does. It makes you wonder where all of it's going.
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B
I think there was a second clip here where he talks about having, I mean, here he's talking about talking to Cash Patel, but I thought there was a clip where he talks about monitoring stuff and having direct communication with the FBI.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Just the idea that like a Jewish group is telling you that we're monitoring everything on the Internet. And listen, we don't control anything, but we do have direct communication with the FBI. And the FBI will instantly look into whatever we tell them we have flagged in our monitoring. I don't know, kind of sounds like you got some premium access there and like maybe you are some running things behind the scenes. Why does an advocacy group have direct communication with the FBI that they'll take their leads and look into things. The Turtle, whatever, Bay Island. I don't know. Maybe that story's true and proof of the fact that sometimes they do good work. But it seems odd to me that you guys are openly stating, hey, we're monitoring everything on the Internet. And if we detect something we think is anti Semitic, which by the way, is our definition of anti Semitism, which includes criticizing Israel, the FBI will not just hang up the phones on us.
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Yeah, it's. It's a very creepy thing to say. Again, plays into all the stereotypes and also. Right. I mean, look, the ADL has, has demonstrated over and over again. It's like the Southern Poverty Law center or something like that. It's. They're so loose with the terms, you know, like, these are people who would say, like, it doesn't matter that Tucker Carlson says a hundred times every episode that he has nothing against Jewish people at all. They still consider him to be an anti. It's like it doesn't matter.
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B
Won the year of the war. Didn't he get the Anti Semite of the year award?
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A
Oh, did he? I didn't, I didn't remember who ended up winning it. I just remember us covering that they were dumb enough to put Ms. Rachel on it, which is just still so funny. Just so goddamn. These people are just. They've lost their minds. But yeah, I mean, this is, this is what they're telling you. And look, again, I'm not saying I know how this is gonna, how this is possibly gonna play out. I, I can't imagine they actually think they can crack down on all of this. It's just the toothpaste's out of the tube. There's nothing you're gonna do here. But that doesn't mean they think that and that doesn't mean they won't try. So we will see. All right, guys, let's take a moment to thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Crowd Health, a great company, longtime sponsor of this show. I've been telling you about these guys for years, and now they have their Black Swan membership, which is amazing. It's the healthcare alternative for who want autonomy over their care, their costs and their lifestyle. For just $95 a month, you get a team of expert bill negotiators, access to low cost prescriptions and lab testing, and a curated database of high quality, low cost Doctors vetted by crowd health. No insurance middleman. No networks dictating what doctors you can and can't see. Just you in the driver's seat. And if a major black swan event hits, you cover the first 15,000 and the crowd steps up to help fund the rest. It's like the freedom we used to have before Obamacare turned health care into a bureaucratic nightmare. So kick off 2026 on your terms. And if you use the promo code POTP when you go to joincrowdhealth.com you'll get your first three months for just $80. That's right. Ring in the new year with health care that puts you first. Crowd health is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Visit Joincrowd Health.com and use the promo code POTP today. All right, let's get back into the show. All right. All right, what should we. We got. We've got a bunch of good stuff here. What let's do, you know, let's do the Sam Harris one because it is.
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B
Kind of on this thing, the Michelle or Miriam Adelson moment before Pam Bondi definitely deserves a mention.
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A
Oh, yeah. Was that, did we have that. Was that sent over? Did you know? I'm not sure. I'm not sure I sent that clip. But sure. If you want to just, just talk about it for a second. Yeah. What was it that, that caught your eye that she said?
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B
I mean, just the, the entire incident of. All right, listen, Jewish people, we don't run anything. There's no favorable treatment. This is all anti Semitism. And then in a room full of Jewish people. Well, I can still just set it up. They're asking, so what are you guys able to do to court influence? I know you're giving them a lot of money, but what are your other maneuvers for courting influence?
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A
Yeah, here, let's. Let's play the clip.
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B
Talk about something just not to put on tape.
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F
Many sessions here about how important it is to get involved, to build a relationship with politician and to have access. And access and relationship can buy you influence. Doesn't mean it's going to buy you. So you both master that. So can you share with us? I want everyone to learn today. How do you start? How do you build a relationship with the politician? I know there is always money involved because that's part of the system. But the relationship is not always just.
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B
About money because it's unbelievable how disgusting that is and how it's just played off like, hey, listen, I know that we Live in the grossest world ever, where if you have enough money, you can purchase influence. And both of you guys are doing a great job of partaking in this corruption of purchasing influence. But for all the people out here that don't have as much money, what else can they do to get influence above just voting and everything else? That other American. But just the way he plays off something that's actually so evil about our reality is perfectly socially acceptable and normal.
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A
And particularly, dude, Rob, I mean, just, just the optics of it, I mean, you're sitting here in a thick Israeli accent talking at the Israeli America alliance, whatever this thing is called, talking about how to buy off our government. Like, it's just like if you were doing this, which obviously they are, you would just think you would at least have the decency to not talk about it out loud, you know, like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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B
You're supposed to read about this in a conspiracy book that behind some closed door rumors were stated that Israeli people are talking about how much money do they have to spend to court influence. Not in front of television cameras in a room of people clapping.
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A
Yeah, this is the thing that Nick Fuentes is supposed to say. And then other people go, ah, that's a racist conspiracy theory. You're not supposed to hear it from their mouths at an event that they decided to televise or record or whatever. It's just, it's crazy here. Let's, let's keep playing.
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F
To have the access and to have the relationship to create an influence, you need not just the money. So I want, we have 4, 000 people here. I want them to, to hear from the best. You and Miri about how do you do that?
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D
Well, Mary and Sheldon have been much more generous than me, so why don't you turn around and ask her? I'm gonna ask her, but you both.
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F
Made a lot of connection and made a big influence.
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D
Now, what I gave is this. This is what they gave, is this. But it's the same principle. I understand what you're asking.
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F
It's.
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A
I want to be cautious.
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D
That we did not create. It's a system that's in place, it's a legal system, and we just play within the system and that's it. I mean, it's really quite simple. If you support a politician, you, under normal circumstances should have access to be able to share opinions and try to help them see your point of view. That's what access grants you and the contribution and this financial support grants you the access. So, I mean, Those that give more have more access, and those that give less have less access. Just simple math. Trust me.
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A
Get it.
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B
Now you gotta find the other clip with. When Adelson responds to this, but I'll let you take this one on first.
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A
Well, I mean, look, what can you say? I mean, look, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, that was essentially the conclusion of Mearsheimer and Waltz's book, the Israel Lobby, right?
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E
Is that.
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A
Look, this is the game, and they're just playing it better than anybody else. So I, I mean, okay, fair enough. But the game is disgusting, man. And, like, it's a total outrage. Even just as you say it out loud, you're like, what? Yeah, so you. We get to buy off access and we give them money, and then we get the policies we want. Good luck competing with that guy who's a plumber, Marion Adelson can give him a few hundred million dollars. What can you give him? All right, so you know how the economy sucks for you, plumber. We're gonna have to take a little bit more of your money and give it to Israel, because people with money get access.
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B
What's crazy is these people aren't even really giving because they get a lot back in this case. I mean, how much money has the US Spent on military support to Israel this year? Or like, in the case of the big banks. Big banks are also very good at this game. But then how much money do they get in bailouts? So it's not like these people are just giving money to politicians. They're making a very expensive but profitable investment and basically being able to rob the federal purse.
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A
Oh, there is no better ROI in the world than buying a politician. There's. It's. It's just not. You could buy a politician for a few crummy million dollars and you could get billions from a, you know, the right bill getting passed. So no question about that. But again, it is. Look, it's. It's part of this is just the. The nature of human beings, right? Like, if, you know, we. We talk about this stuff a lot as. As it applies to U.S. foreign policy. Right? Like, there is. So if. If. Let's just say, like, you know, the deep state, as we all know, Right. Rob the deep state did steal the election. You know, now, maybe not in the way that Trump says, but they absolutely put their finger on the scale to interfere in the election in Joe Biden's favor. And it was a very close election. It took weeks to figure out who won that thing. And the deep state came out and just made up a whole fucking propaganda story to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story and claim it was Russian disinformation and all this. And okay, so we know that, but, like, if the Chinese had come in and done it, we would feel a little different about that. Like, you'd be much. You'd be much more likely to be ready to pick up a gun and go do something if, like a foreigner, because it's just a little bit different. It's a little bit different when you're. And so in the same sense with Iran, you know, when they were furious when they overthrew the shah, that America had installed the shah, it's a little bit different. People can take a domestic. Domestic despotism more than they can over, like, a foreign domination. And just like so. So in other words, if this was, you know, the farmers union trying to buy off the government so that they can get more subsidies or something like that, it's just not quite as appalling as, like, a foreign country buying off favor from our government on behalf of theirs. There's just something about that that's just so outrageous. It's like you're essentially, yes, you're saying that you're playing within the very corrupt, disgusting rules that we have, but in effect, you're a foreign spy. That's essentially what you're telling us. Like, I'm a foreign spy who's here to influence your government. What else can you say? Yeah, that's just how they are. Did we find the other Mary Madison clip or no? Natalie, it's all good. If not, no worries.
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B
If not. Basically, they ask her what she uses other than money, and she pleased the fifth in terms of influence. They ask her what she.
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D
What.
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B
What other tools she has for influence. And she goes, I feel like I shouldn't answer that, but money works. That's the short of it.
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A
She goes, we have Jeffrey Epstein, gets them to rape children. And then we. Yeah, she wasn't going to say that part out loud. Yeah, pretty damn disturbing. All of it. Pretty damn disturbing. Did you see it is kind of on topic, a little bit different than the topic, but it's hard not to talk about these things. But I do. I want to play the Sam Harris clip because, dude, it's. I don't know. Sam Harris just fascinates me. He fascinated me before he started particularly talking about me, like last year or whenever that was. But it's just the guy, like, who. All I know, all I see of Sam Harris now is, like, clips circulate where everybody's just mocking him. It's amazing how much it's changed just in the last. In the last few years here. But this was Sam Harris talking once again about the world of conspiracy theories and anti Semitism. There are several anti Semitic conspiracies theories operative now, but I think the most.
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E
Influential one on the right is the Jewish hand in immigration and all of its attendant woes.
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D
We were a voice for immigration throughout the 20th century. We have suffered for closed borders by closed borders. That's clearly okay. So we were the. If you want the arrowhead.
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G
Last week, HIAS organized a letter signed by over 1200 rabbis. Can you imagine getting 1200 rabbis to agree on one thing? But agree they did. And what they agreed was to ask our elected officials not to. To halt or even to limit the United States Refugee admissions program. At 134 years old, HIAS is the oldest refugee organization in the world. We rescue, resettle, and aid refugees of all ethnic and religious backgrounds through 10 offices around the world and is one of nine volunteer agencies resettling refugees in the US and the only Jewish organization amongst them.
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A
All right, I think. I didn't mean to send that clip. I sent the wrong version of it. But anyway, okay, the kind of point being made, so Sam Harris and them, they sit here and have this conversation and they're like, oh, it's this awful conspiracy theory that Jews are behind open immigration. And then essentially they just go on to explain that, like, yeah, Jews supported open immigration because we benefited from it in the past. And I don't know, Rob, it's like, again, like, with all these things, there's also a whole lot of Jews who are border hawks. And so, like, it doesn't make sense to, like, blame Jews as a whole. But, like, I've always just found this to be an odd. You know, me and you have talked about this for years. In fact, I remember, like, whatever it was like 10 years ago when, when you came on the show, when we first started podcasting together, we used to talk about these things where there'd be like the. In fact, some of them were like Barry Weiss clips and stuff like that, where she'd be talking about anti Semitism and all of this. And I always feel like, okay, but like, if you're gonna have this conversation, like, at least just have the conversation. Just like, be honest about it. Let's actually talk about this. And that doesn't mean you have to come to the conclusion that, yeah, it's right to hate Jews or something like that. In fact, But I don't really think too many people are seriously arguing that. But you go, hey, I mean, open immigration has been a disaster for America. It's been a disaster for Europe. And it is in. Particularly in Europe, in a sense. Like, you know, you ever look at, like, the projections, Rob, that it's like, we're only like, a few decades away from, like. Like, Irish people are going to be a minority in Ireland, British people are going to be a minority in Britain. You know, like Swedes a minority in Sweden. And that is. Look, I. I could look at this a lot of different ways. And. And I can understand, you know, like, I'm, Again, I. I grew up in New York City. Like, I'm not. I don't know. I can understand people going, yeah, what difference does it make? Like, what does it matter if this changes or that changes or whatever? But, like, on some level, you're like, yeah, but maybe that's kind of profoundly up. Like, the, you know, Irish people, First of Ireland's a great example, just because they have. They have, like, none of the white guilt or shouldn't have any of the white guilt that, like, plagues so many of these other countries. Like, Ireland never dominated anyone. It's just never did anything. They did fucking, as far as I know, they didn't have a slave trade. They never conquered anyone. They were just getting their asses kicked by the British. That was their entire. And Irish people, like, real deal fucking fought and died for their independence, for their autonomy, like, for their people to continue. And then if a bunch of politicians, against the will of the Irish people, just, like, decided to completely change it so that Ireland goes extinct, well, you could certainly see where a lot of people would have a problem with that.
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B
And Muslims don't even eat potatoes or talk about the end of Ireland.
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A
That's true. You brought in a bunch of people who don't drink to Ireland. But, like, you know, and then you're going to sit there and go, like, okay, well, hey, we're. We're a part of this group. It's like 2% of. Of the population in America, much, much less than that globally. And, yeah, we came in and we advocated for all these policies that resulted in this because we thought it was better for us. All right? But, like, if that's the case, then I just don't see how the next thing you wouldn't say is, like, so I understand why we take a lot of heat for that. I understand why that pisses a lot of people off. Because isn't it kind of obvious. Isn't that obvious why that would get some people to go, oh, that was kind of up. And I don't know. I just, I don't, I don't think that's. I don't think that's right. And it's, it's also not the case. You know, you hear the stories about like, I'm sure you, you've heard, Rob, it is very like famous amongst Jews. Like almost every Jewish kid heard the story from their parents about boats full of Jews being turned away during the, the Nazis reign in Germany and then getting sent back to Nazi Germany. And like, hey, look, that's a. If you have an example where like closing a border meant you sent people back to a genocide to get genocided, hey, that's a, That's a good example of God damn. That really is. That sure does suck for those people. And man, are you sure we couldn't just take in a couple ships of these people and not send them back to, to their deaths? Okay, fine. But you can't extrapolate from that. That they are for you can take in tens of millions of people. Like, it's just a lot of these things don't work like that. And I really do think, you know, it's the major problem with immigration is the sheer numbers. It's not that like any other group of people are so horrible, or at least from my perspective. And I think sometimes the immigration hawks get this wrong. Like they'll kind of take the attitude that even I, I see a lot of them because, you know, hating Muslims is kind of the new go to now. And there's literally. I can't remember which paper it was. I was reading it. It was one Israeli paper, might have been the Jerusalem Post, I can't remember. But they had like a, it was, it was a. From the Israeli government, like a whole report that's basically said like, we're losing this war, the PR war real bad. And what we should pivot to is the Muslims because that's what right wingers in America respond to. So anyway, there's a lot of that going on now. But they'll say things like Islam is incompatible with, with the west or something like that. And it's like, I don't know. I'm not sure I believe that. You know, I, I grew up in Brooklyn. We had a, a fairly large like, like Pakistan, you know, Pakistan, Pakistanis, some Afghans, you know, and they were cool. They were like, you know, they were, they were the people who threw on a baseball hat and Ran a bodega and were like, I love, I love baseball in America and had a little American flags waving in their stores and stuff. The thing is, it wasn't in such large numbers, like, and it wasn't. It. There's a difference between importing, like immigrants who go through a process and get a lawyer and pay a fee and like, do a thing, and then just taking millions in from a war torn region. That's just a fundamentally different thing. And we ended up doing a whole lot of the latter. And yeah, if you're, if you're advocating for that as it went down. Yeah, you're kind of caught with your pounds down now that everybody realizes it was a big, huge mistake, that's going to lead towards some people resenting you for, for advocating for those policies. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Massa. Look, it's a new year. 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B
Yeah, even in the case of. Because I've had this. Someone breaks up with someone, got a crash on your couch, it's a year later and you're like, hey, you're supposed to crash on the couch. It's a year later.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And there's something he said when people come to countries because, you know, there's shenanigans in their country that it's not like they pick up and go afterwards. It's like even the Holocaust Jews, I don't think they were looking to go back. Or the Syrian refugees, I don't think they're looking to go back. There's something to be said for like, hey, you got a bit of an emergency situation. So I feel like we're not comfortable enough with the concept of like a second class citizenship or even maybe like area, like safe areas of, of internment or something. I don't know. It seems like there's, there is a bit of a middle ground between. All right, you can't, it's not safe for you there anymore. So you can be here like forever versus you can ride out this wave, but you can't stay.
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A
Yeah, no, that's a very, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. It doesn't have to be the extreme of either. I also just think, you know, I think that generally speaking, right, the, this is broad brush here, but generally speaking, I think the left, left wingers in general, um, cartoonishly make everything environmental, but there's also a tendency on the right, particularly on the far right, to make everything genetic. And I think this is maybe like the most centrist view I have. But the truth is, like, you're always getting it wrong. If you say it's all nurture or you say it's all nature and you. Because it's always both, it's always a mix of both. And, and, and actually nurture is very, very important. Your environment matters a lot. It's not everything. There, There is such a thing as genetics. There is biological realities. Now, obviously you could all think of, of environments or, or excuse me, you could all think of examples where the left does this like, to a cartoonish level. Obviously the trans issue is, is the most obvious one where it's like, guys, you can't, like there is a scientific reality here and you can't just wish that away because you don't like the way it makes you feel. Like, whatever. It's just you're, you're, you're arguing like, it's like, I'm, I'm a man, but I feel like I'm a woman, therefore I'm a woman. Well, like, however you feel that person should be treated, just like, no, you're not. You don't, you don't get to just say your feelings trump reality. And, and of course people in the left. If you were to ask why it is that there's such a higher crime rate in the black community than the white community, or if you were to ask why Africa is so poor and Europe is so rich, immediately they have to go to environmental factors like that. That just has to be the answer. It's oppression, imperialism, something, something was done to that. There's no way this group could be here and this group could be here in any field for any reason other than environment. Which is silly. Like there are differences between different groups of people. But at the same time I think right wingers have a tendency to really downplay environment. And so like for example, okay, like if me and my wife were, let's say you got like the worst bin Ladenite head chopper in running the Syrian government right now. But take the worst, like you know, isis when they were invading, invading Iraq and just literally chopping people's heads off and doing all types of crazy barbaric shit. You take the 20 year old who's doing that, the guy who's chopping people's heads off and let's say 20 years earlier me and my wife adopted him and he comes and lives in my house and we raise him the same way we raise our children now. I don't know, you know, my children and I could see it already in them. Even though they're young kids, they have like specific things that are genetic from me or genetic from my, my wife or they, you see, one of them looks like their grandmother or one of them look, you know what I mean? Like things that are clearly like, or they have an ability that you know, one of us had or something. Okay, so like that kid may not have all that. He, I'm not saying he would be exactly the same as my kids. He will not be chopping people's heads off. That is 100% guaranteed. Like he would be a functioning member of society because we would love him and raise him. Right? And like environment does actually mean a lot. So like in other words, if you take the one member of ISIS as a newborn, one day old baby and you give them a loving, nice environment, he's not going to turn into a member of isis. But if you bring all of ISIS over here and then ISIS just raises their kids, you just get ISIS over here. You get my point. So like it's not. When you bring in small numbers of people, the pressure is like to assimilate, to fall in line. But when you bring in huge numbers of people, you end up with Minnesota, they don't come over and assimilate, they come over and they do their own Somali thing here with our government, you know what I mean? And so like this really is the, the, the, the, the, I think the fail, the failed logic of this mass, of this mass immigration is that just because something works in small doses doesn't mean it can scale. And so even like when, when people would say, oh, America is a country of immigrants or something like that, it's like, yeah, to some degree we are. That doesn't mean there's no limit to how many we can take in. That doesn't mean that like, you know, like it's not deduced. It's almost like, and this is why I did that debate last year at the soho forum, because I just think this is an important topic to, for libertarians particularly to get good on is.
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B
That.
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A
You, even if you want to say something right, like, like in theory, if you were going to go like, like make the economic argument that freedom of, of movement, you know, goods and labor all being able to cross borders is more economical or something like that, it's like, okay, but where, like how about this? Is there any theory other than like retarded leftism, egalitarian, everything is environmental down to even your gender or your species or whatever. How far you want to take the logic. Aside from that retarded way of looking at the world, if we were to get, is there anything that tells you let's say we were to bring in 10 million people from Canada or we were to bring in 10 million people from Okinawa. Are you telling me that's exactly the same? There's no difference? You know, like why, what would you deduce that from? They're obviously like, they're different nations and different races and different religions and different cultures and different, lots of things. So I think it's reasonable to think it might be different without even making a value judgment, like better or worse. Again, if you're taking in some people from like Sweden or if you're taking in some people from war torn Syria, I think there might be a difference. And, and I will make a value judgment on that one. I think one's worse. And, and so like, you know, now we sit here and, and one of the things, and I think this is what's very frustrating to a lot of people like us is that what you're seeing with like these ICE raids and just like how stupid and kind of cruel the whole thing is, is that you go like, well, this is the problem with a policy like mass migration. You know, it's, it's kind of different than any other policy because it's really, really hard to undo. You know, like, what can you do now? You know, you let 30, 40, 50 million people into the country illegally. It's like, ah, well, what are you going to do? How the fuck are you going to get rid of that many people? Essentially, you can't. I mean, Trump can do. So instead, what Trump can do is have this, like, performative cruelty without really dealing with the problem. And anyway, listen, this, this shouldn't be something that Jews get blamed for because there's a lot of Jews who oppose this shit and there's a lot of non Jews who were right there supporting it as well. But those people who supported open borders for all of these years, or those people who supported this mass migration policy, there's going to be backlash and resentment over that because it was a bad idea, it was bad policy, and the results have been pretty disastrous. So you're going to get heat for that. And if you want to have an honest conversation about that, then fine, let's do it. But to just sit there and say, wow, it's racism, it's conspiracy theories and racism. Well, the thing is, right, Rob, like as we just kind of showed you, if you, if you just listen to what Miriam Adelson and her friend there are saying, that would sound like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. If me or you just said it right, they would call that an anti Semitic conspiracy theory, except the Jews in question are saying it themselves and broadcasting it. So, like, again, like I've always said, like, you know, if you're talking about real deal Jew hatred as me and you would define it like normal people, like actually define it as hating a group of people or blaming members, blaming people for an immutable characteristic when they themselves are not guilty of anything. Like, okay, if you want to have a conversation about the rise in Jew hatred, how the fuck do you ever put out that fire? If you can't even start by having the conversation, you can't even just actually talk about it and go, okay, well this is the thing, and this is what people are angry about. And here's where they got a legitimate point. Here's where they go a little bit too far. But all the Sam Harris guys, all the Barry Weisses, all the Miriam Adelson, all the Mark Levins, all they want to do is just call you names, say you're, you're a racist, you're a bigot. It's like, all right. Oh, that's. When was the last time that ever shut anyone up? Definitely never worked on me anyway. All right, we're gonna wrap up there. We'll be back tomorrow with a brand new show. Thank you very much. Catch you next time. Peace.