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Adelson Owns Trump

Part Of The Problem

Wed Jan 21 2026

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Podcast Summary: "Adelson Owns Trump" – Part Of The Problem

Host: Dave Smith (w/ Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein)
Date: January 21, 2026
Podcast Network: GaS Digital Network

Overview

In this episode, Dave Smith and co-host Robbie Bernstein unpack the state of American politics, focusing specifically on the relationship between Israeli advocates, U.S. political influence, the shifting censorship landscape, and the consequences of foreign and corporate money in American government. The episode highlights a series of recent viral incidents involving alleged censorship and government overreach (especially concerning criticism of Israel), explicit acknowledgements of political influence by pro-Israel figures, and the broader implications for freedom of speech and the future of U.S. policy.

The discussion is sharp, irreverent, and infused with the show's trademark libertarian critique, touching on establishment power, media, and the incentives fueling political corruption.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Collapse of Government Propaganda and Loss of Narrative Control

[02:00] Dave Smith describes the current era as historically unique, with the government’s “propaganda apparatus essentially shattered.”
- There’s no single source of consensus—neither the traditional press nor official science—and “the consensus is almost ours, like the podcast scene’s consensus.”
- Quote [03:30] (Dave): “It kind of feels like you're in one of those cartoons, where a character runs off a cliff but doesn’t fall until they look down. We're about to look down.”
[05:30] Policy vs. Narrative: While anti-war and anti-establishment narratives dominate online, government policy has grown more repressive—more hawkish stances, especially regarding Israel and dissent.

2. Censorship, the State, and the Erosion of Free Speech

[04:45] Dave highlights a disturbing new trend: police showing up at people’s doors in the U.S. over critical tweets about Israel. In the UK, 12,000 arrests have been made this year for social media posts.
- Smith cautions against dystopian exaggeration, but sees expanded censorship and “hate speech” policing as imminent, particularly tied to criticism of Israel.
- Quote [05:20] (Dave): “They came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they're all out of bubblegum. The state is all out of propaganda. The only thing they have left is kicking ass.”
[06:46] Robbie observes that the “only likable thing” about Trump was supposed to be better censorship climate, a promise that’s been totally broken.
- COVID-era especially bad for censorship; the only current exception is Twitter/X.

3. Media & Social Platforms: Attempts to Regain Influence

[09:54] Dave and Robbie discuss the major players (like Larry Ellison buying TikTok, CBS News with Barry Weiss) trying to shore up pro-establishment and pro-Israel narrative control. These efforts consistently fail to find an audience.
- Quote [10:41] (Dave): “You’re spending all this money for the name, CBS, that no one trusts or gives a shit about... You might as well spend hundreds of millions buying shit soda.”

4. Crackdown on Dissent: Case Studies and Staggering Overreach

[14:28] Clip: Pam Bondi (former Attorney General) brags about getting a student expelled from FSU for throwing a phone at a man wearing an IDF shirt.
- The incident is used as a virtue-signal to pro-Israel donors and as a warning of the administration’s zero-tolerance stance on “antisemitism,” even when the facts are murky.
- Quote [15:47] (Dave): “For the Attorney General of the United States of America, why are you even involved in this? Why are we cheering; is it so obvious it’s a good thing this kid’s life got fucked up because she got kicked out of her school?”
- Quote [17:15] (Dave): “Don’t say, you can't say he's wearing an IDF shirt and then say she attacked him just for being Jewish... Those are different fucking things. If she just attacked someone for being Jewish, why the one with the IDF shirt and not the one without?”
[21:12] Robbie mocks the incident: “I just love a lady getting up in front of a room of Jews and going, hey, if you guys keep tattletelling, this administration has your back. And them applauding...”

5. ADL Surveillance & Open Coordination with Law Enforcement

[28:55] Clip: Jonathan Greenblatt (ADL head) details their real-time monitoring of “extremists”—including anti-war activists, leftists, and pro-Palestine groups—across all platforms. He admits to direct collaboration with the FBI, sharing intelligence that leads to prosecutions.
- Quote [30:24] (Greenblatt): “We monitor them online... We share the intelligence with the FBI... We train 20,000 officers every year.”
[32:10] Robbie notes: “Just the idea that a Jewish group is telling you, ‘We don’t control anything, but we do have direct communication with the FBI...’ I don’t know, kind of sounds like you got some premium access there...”
**[32:59] Dave calls it “very creepy,” identifying the ADL as “so loose with terms” and notes that merely criticizing Israel is now grounds for labeling someone an extremist.

6. Buying Political Influence: Miriam Adelson and Pro-Israel Advocates

[36:30] Clip: At a public pro-Israel event, panelists—including Miriam Adelson—explicitly describe how political access and influence are purchased.
- Notable Quote [39:33] (Panelist): “Those that give more have more access, and those that give less have less access. Just simple math.”
[40:49] Dave: “...if you're a plumber, Miriam Adelson can give [the politician] a few hundred million dollars. What can you give him?...You're a foreign spy, that's essentially what you're telling us.”
- Both hosts point out the difference between domestic lobbying and foreign interests essentially shaping U.S. policy via campaign spending.
[44:50] Adelson (paraphrased): When asked what influences politicians besides money, pleads the “fifth,” quipping: “But money works!”
Robbie, darkly joking [44:56]: “She goes, ‘We have Jeffrey Epstein, gets them to rape children...’ She wasn’t going to say that part out loud.”

7. Sam Harris, Immigration, and the “Jewish Conspiracy” Charge

[45:56] Clip: Sam Harris derides “the Jewish hand in immigration” as an anti-Semitic conspiracy, only for a fellow panelist to admit on the same program that Jewish organizations strongly supported and benefited from open immigration.
- Dave elaborates [47:18]: “...open immigration has been a disaster for America… yet if you're advocating for that... you’re kind of caught with your pants down now that everybody realizes it was a big, huge mistake.”
[51:03] Dave: “If that's the case, then I just don't see how the next thing you wouldn't say is, like, ‘so I understand why we take a lot of heat for that.’...Isn't it kind of obvious why that would get some people to go, ‘Oh, that was kind of fucked up’?”
- He stresses the need for honest conversations about the results of mass immigration, without scapegoating an entire group.
[55:46] Robbie: “Even the Holocaust Jews, I don't think they were looking to go back... There’s a middle ground between, ‘You can live here forever’ and ‘You can ride out this wave, but you can't stay’.”
**[56:39] Dave reflects on nature vs. nurture and the difficulty of “undoing” mass migration policies—emphasizing that both genetics and environment matter, and that true assimilation fails when immigration numbers are too large for integration.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

[05:20] (Dave):
“They came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they're all out of bubblegum. The state is all out of propaganda. The only thing they have left is kicking ass.”
[15:47] (Dave):
“For the Attorney General of the United States of America, why are you even involved in this? Is it so obvious it's a good thing this kid's life got fucked up because she got kicked out of her school?”
[21:12] (Robbie):
“Hey, if you guys keep tattletelling, this administration has your back... Them applauding... such a wild escalation.”
[28:55] (Greenblatt/ADL):
“We have a whole apparatus... monitoring extremists... We share the intelligence with the FBI... We train 20,000 officers every year.”
[39:33] (Pro-Israel Panelist):
“Those that give more have more access, and those that give less have less access. Just simple math.”
[40:49] (Dave):
“...you're a foreign spy, that's essentially what you're telling us. I'm a foreign spy who’s here to influence your government. What else can you say?”

Timestamps for Major Segments

[02:00] – The government's lost its consensus/narrative power
[04:45] – Cops knocking on doors for tweets critical of Israel; censorship trends
[06:46] – Trump’s failures on free speech; tech platform dynamics
[09:54] – Ellison/TikTok & CBS/Barry Weiss: attempts to control discourse
[14:28] – Pam Bondi’s incident: government overreach for pro-Israel causes
[28:55] – Jonathan Greenblatt (ADL) on monitoring dissenters & FBI coordination
[36:30] – Miriam Adelson/pro-Israel lobby: openly describing pay-for-access politics
[45:56] – Sam Harris, immigration, and Jewish advocacy: conspiracy theory or reality?
[51:03] – Dave on honest discussions about immigration, policy backlash
[55:46] – Robbie & Dave: on immigration, mass migration, and the limits of assimilation

Overall Tone and Takeaways

The episode is a blistering libertarian critique of the state—funny, caustic, and frequently profane. The hosts skewer the bipartisan war machine, highlight with concern the West’s ongoing slide into censorship (especially tied to criticism of Israel), and mock the naked transactional nature of U.S. politics, as demonstrated by open admissions in elite pro-Israel circles.

The show’s tone balances alarm over genuine threats to free speech and civil liberties with a dark, sardonic wit. Listeners are reminded of the urgent need for honesty in public discourse, skepticism towards entrenched power, and the perils of unaccountable influence—foreign or domestic—over American policy.

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Transcript

A (0:00)

Foreign. What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. Good to be with you people. Good to be with you, Rob. How are you today?

B (0:17)

I'm doing well. How are you, Mr. Smith?

A (0:19)

I'm good. You know what I. I started thinking about that's actually been putting me in a good mood, is that we're going to Key west in a few weeks.

B (0:28)

Oh, yeah, I got to book that flight. I could use that vacation right now. Let's go.

A (0:32)

Oh, dude, it's. This is. I don't know why it's not like the biggest club, but I loved that so much going down there last year. Just really, really fun when you live in New Jersey, or in Rob's case, Connecticut. But same point in February to just go down to Key west for a few days and just relax.

B (0:53)

I haven't been drinking, smoking or anything. I'm going to make up for all that in Key West.

A (0:58)

It is.

B (0:59)

I can tell myself, you're going to Key west in two weeks. Relax.

A (1:01)

Yeah, no, it's impossible to not drink in Key West. I'm pretty sure it's illegal. They might just shoot you on the street.

B (1:07)

You're not allowed to support you.

A (1:09)

Yeah, you can't. You can't touch those roosters. But you could shoot a man who's not drinking in Key West. I think, like, you have to be within two feet of a cocktail at all times. Like, you got to be able to grab ones. That's. Yes. And I didn't make it up, but I will go there every year. So. Yeah, looking forward to that. Just also because. Just particularly because it's been. I mean, for those of you guys who aren't on the Northeast, it's been frigid out here, man. It's like. I think. And it's supposed to be. It was like 10 degrees yesterday. It's like 10 degrees today. I think it's supposed to be in the negatives in the next couple days. It's a real good time. Yeah, it's a real good time to dip down to. To Key west for a little bit. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to. For today's show, I want to talk about something which is. It's. It's a. A bit of a broad theme, and then there's. There's several different kind of examples of what it is. I'm talking about something I'm very concerned with and because we've been saying for a while, Rob. Right. Like there's just. The United States of America is in a very weird position right now, very strange. And I, I try. You know, like they say history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes or something, and things are kind of cyc. So when you try to understand these things, you try to, like, look for, you know, other moments in history that had some similarities, but it's very hard to find one because this is such a unique moment. And you know, essentially, like, as we talked about through kind of all of last year, it was one of the biggest themes of last year that, like the, the government, the government's propaganda apparatus has essentially been shattered. There is no more consensus on anything. And in fact, to the, to the extent that there is a consensus, it's almost like hours, like the, the podcast scenes. Consensus, you know, like, like, I'm just saying, like, you know, when they used to say, like, the scientific consensus on Covid or something like that. Well, what's the consensus on Covid now? I guess it's kind of like, oh, the government fucked everything up. The media lied to everybody. That's kind of the consensus now. But there's no, like, real apparatus that the government has, which they always have, and particularly in modern nation states, like, they've just always had this. And so it does. There is this weird feeling, right? It, it kind of feels like you remember in the old cartoons, Rob, when like a character would, like, run off a cliff, but then they make it a few more steps and then they have a moment where they pause and then they look down and then they fall. It feels like we're a. Right about to look down. Like, we're like, it just. There's look, I mean, Donald Trump, think, Think about the last year, the year that was 2025, and how much like the, the pro Israel arguments just got completely destroyed. You know, all the anti war people were ascending and all the war hawks are just getting embarrassed. And then as a result of that, Donald Trump's going more hawkish than he's ever gone before. So there's this, there's this weird kind of like asymmetry or something, and that's not the right word. There's this weird dynamic where, like in the propagation, in terms of the, the narrative war, our side is dominating in terms of the policy, we're losing worse than ever. And one of the things that I've been concerned about, very concerned about, is like, okay, so what comes next? And you know, the state, at the end of the day, the state is an instrument of force, and they Use propaganda to convince you that their force is legitimate. But if they run out of propaganda, all they got left is force, you know what I mean? Like, that's, there's. They're. They came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they're all out of bubblegum. So the state is all out of propaganda. The only thing they have left is kicking ass. And it does just make you wonder what, what is going to come next? And this is something I've been concerned about, you know, another round of mass censorship on the Internet hate speech laws as we've seen this administration move to support. And so it's within that context that I've seen two videos. I was, I was thinking about playing the videos on, on the show, but I guess I, I don't think it really adds anything. They're not great for those who listen audio only. It's not great audio on them. But essentially there's one video in one video in Texas. It's both the same things. It's cops showing up to people's houses over tweets that they've sent. Now, while this is going on, our kind of sister country In Europe, the UK has arrested like 12,000 people this year for tweets or posts on social media. And of course, Rob, what's not shocking at all is what both of these tweets were over was Criticiz criticizing Israel, of course. And so you just. Look, I'm not like predicting some dystopian thing coming tomorrow, but it certainly is disturbing, as when you're seeing, like the, the administration from the top kind of all the way down to the bottom, talking about how they are going to be, you know, cracking down on what they call anti Semitism, AKA using Ben Shapiro's definition of anti Semitism anytime you criticize Israel. So this is very disturbing. I'm sure you saw the videos, right, Rob?

A (7:52)

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A (9:54)

I've never tik tocked. Tik tock tie real good. I've never. I have never tik tocked. Never won. Not even one talk. But I know that it's huge and it was real big, like, for Gen Z. People really love watching it. And so, like, I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything to take that over. I do think that that was like a, A f. Fertile ground for a lot of people to wake up to some of the lies that the, The War party has told us. But, you know, if there's other social media platform, if they end up shutting that down, people just move over to the other site. So, like, as long as there's some. As long as you got like, like you said there, right? Like, as long as Twitter's a whole lot better about censoring people. YouTube's a whole lot better. We still got Rumble. You still, like, as long as you have, like, at least a few big ones, eh, it's fine. They'll go over that. And buying CBS News, it's like, what a joke, dude. You know, you're literally. You're spending all this money for the name, the name brand cbs. And it's a name that no one trusts or gives a shit about. It's the dumbest thing. Like, you might as well spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying shit soda or something. Like what? No one wants it. But that's the thing, you know, it's like, we talked about this a lot. They keep failing. They keep losing every goddamn one of these things. Rob, every time there's a War Party event, there's the Jewish Organization for this or the Zionist Organization for that or the whatever, you know, whatever. Anything where anyone from the American Enterprise Institute is speaking or the, you know, whatever. They're all. The topic is always the same. They all get up there and go, hey, we are getting killed. You know, we've played the clips of that crazy lady who was Obama's speechwriter. There's just, just the other day at this one, we're going to play a clip from Pam Bondi talking at this, this event. What's her name? Who's the former dnc? No, no, the former DNC chair, Wasserman Schultz. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yeah, she, she's. She's 10 out of 10. There's a. No, she just got up there. It's her thing. We're getting killed out here. There's a whole new generation who don't support Israel and they hate Jews and Blah, blah, blah. It's like every single time they're talking about how they're getting killed, so you see things like, oh, cb, this is going to fail. Barry Weiss. That was the most predictable thing ever. Also, by the way, they're so out of touch that Barry Weiss thought, you know who should be in front of the camera? Me. Oh, yes. Let's get. Let's get an unattractive liberal lesbian to, like. It's just. I don't know, it's just bizarre that she even thought I'd be the one who could carry this message.

A (15:47)

Okay, all right. So, I mean, Rob, first of all, in this story, like you do, look, I'm not defending throwing a phone at anybody or nothing like that, but let's just remember what we just heard here. Again, sorry, my. This show is supposed to be, from what I've been informed in, like the Southern Poverty law center and salon.com, all the. All the hit pieces that have ever been written about me. Like, I. This is supposed to be a far right wing show, right? Donald Trump's supposed to be a far right wing government. So, like, it's almost like, what are. Are we a bunch of leftist snowflakes now? Like, you are telling me the story here was a woman bullying a man physically who was playing basketball. So like a guy in reasonably decent enough shape that he's playing a game of basketball and that was he bullied by a woman. That's. Maybe she was crazy and spazzed out on him. I mean, she even opens. I don't know the details of the story. She opens by saying it's not a story of great violence. Essentially, she threw a phone. So, like, okay, that's bad. The school can decide how they reprimand things like that. But for the fucking Attorney General of the United States of America, like, why are you even involved in this? And why are we all cheering? Like, is it so obvious that it's just like a good thing that this kid's life got all up because she got Kicked out of the school she was going to. And the one last thing I'll say. And then. I mean, because there's. There's more to say on this. But also, don't you, like, look, again, not defending it. Not defending anything. Anybody could put on whatever shirt they want to put on. If they want to put on Adolf Hitler was great. Or Joseph Stalin's the man, or a fucking IDF shirt. No, you can't fucking assault people over the goddamn shirt that they wear because this is a goddamn free country. Or at least it's supposed to be. But don't say, you can't say he's wearing an IDF shirt and then say she attacked him just for being Jewish. I'm just so sick of this goddamn conflation. Those are different things. Those are different fucking things. If she just attacked someone for being Jewish, why was it the one with the IDF shirt on and not the one without it? You know what I'm saying, Rob? Like, that is a different thing. You're wearing the T shirt of a military that is committing a genocide. Sorry. That's not just for being Jewish. Now, if you told me that she threw her phone at Benjamin Leibowitz as he was leaving, you know, his dental office, then. Okay, okay, then you're attacking someone just for being Jewish. Maybe. But no, Rob, that's a different thing. Like, in the same sense. Right?

A (18:40)

And again, logical analogy, not an equation. You always have to preface this, by the way, Rob, I've found that 99% of people cannot tell the difference between that. I'm just saying the logic here, right? If somebody was wearing an Adolf Hitler shirt and you attacked them, you didn't attack them for being German. Right? You get the logic of that. It's not the same thing. And if you. To conflate those two things are just in clearly intentionally dishonest. Those are different fucking things. It wasn't that you were just German. It's that you were specifically making a statement about how you support this group of German people with political power. And what is the beef with that? Oh, they used that power to kill a bunch of innocent people. Hey, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show. This one I am particularly thrilled to tell you about, because it's a cause that's very near and dear to my heart. And that's the shirt that I'm wearing right now, the Scott Horton Academy. Guys, Scott Horton, who's been the most recurring guest on this podcast, simply because he is the most important foreign policy Genius in the country, guys. Just absolutely incredible. Written the best books about the war on terrorism and the the war in Ukraine. Well, now he's launched his latest project, the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom. It's incredible, dude, if you really want to know your stuff, this is what you got to sign up for. This is going to make you an expert, even if you've never been. You will be an expert by the end of this. If you want to know why I'm able to go win all these debates and understand what's going on in the world, it's because of guys like S.C. horton. And this is it. They're gonna he takes you through with other experts in detail. You're gonna get detail step by step. Everything that Scott Horton knows about the world and his smartest friends are all on there teaching you stuff too. Go check them out. Sign up@scott hortonacademy.com problem and start learning all of this stuff. Seriously, you're gonna love it. I just signed up. I'm learning a ton from it myself. It's really great. You're gonna be blown away by this stuff also because it's just like the most fascinating history imaginable. You're going to be able to explain this to other people. You're have a better grasp of the knowledge yourself. You'll be able to go win debates in your personal life or in public if that's the type of thing that you're into. But go sign up and check it out right now. And of course support the best anti war voice in the country, Scott Horton, while you do it. Scott hortonacademy.com problem all right, let's get back into the show Anyway, any thoughts on this, Rob?

A (22:20)

Dude, and I don't give a shit, man. Like, you know, Dan Bongino can call us a black pillar all he wants to, and all you guys who want to defend Trump can try to make up whatever excuses you want to, but just like, the only dignified thing you can do right now is just to fucking completely abandon this goddamn clown show administration. They're just so awful. It's such a humiliation of the goddamn. Of the whole country. Of their base particularly, but the whole country, like, honestly, dude, I don't even want to hear any more. People just go like, oh, look, Dave's got Trump derangement syndrome. Or something like that. Like, dude, shut the up. I was good on Russiagate before any of you even knew what the it was. I was good on Russiagate before Donald Trump was good on Russiagate. This. Swear to God, true story, Rob me. And you were on it before, if you remember, Rob, when Donald Trump. When they first came to. Donald Trump and Comey himself said this and Trump, they both confirmed this, that his first thing was he bought it. And he went, take everything. He went, what? The Russians have infiltrated my campaign. Oh, my God. Take everything. Here's all of our books, here's all of our notes. Here's everything. He didn't even realize they were trying to set him up. I was like, dude, save your soul and stop supporting Donald Trump right now. This is his attorney general. The chick who covered up the Epstein, who covered up the Epstein pedophile ring. This chick is who's hasn't gone after any of the deep state criminals. Yeah, you remember the ones who framed Donald Trump for treason. He's not going after any of them. Even though the Director of National Intelligence claims she sent her the proof that Obama committed treason and all this other stuff. And don't give me that presidential immunity bullshit either, because fine, even if that were true, that only applies to Barack Obama, not to all of his men. It doesn't apply to Clapper or Comey or Brennan or Joe Biden when he was vice president or any of them. So anyway, so she goes after none of the deep state criminals, none of the people who stole the 2020 election. Like, they claim none of that shit. But if there's one case of anti Semitism on a college campus, she's all over it. She'll make sure. And by the way, Rob, what even is the implication of her story that she called a state attorney general and they all got together, yada, yada, yada? She got kicked out of school. Like, why would the national or state attorney general getting on the phone help a school's ability? We called local law enforcement. What does any of that have to do with getting kicked out of a school? It's just like, all of it. Like. But what are you saying? This is the thing that you will race to, though. A girl threw something at a boy. That's the story you've got here.

A (25:43)

You're a cartoonish version of a social justice warrior. What is this shit? Yeah, somebody felt unsafe on a college campus. Get the government involved. Jesus Christ. And I just can't even imagine, you know, like, I mean, I don't know. I grew up in a different world, genuinely. A very different world. I was raised in a very different manner than I raised my kids. Like, I was, I was raised, like, if I came back, which I did when I was six years old, came back to my, my, My mother and my stepfather and told them that, like, a kid just punched me and they went. They kicked me out of the house. They went, go punch him back. And go to, like, that was it. There was no, like, oh, the adults step in here. It was like, no, what are you doing? You're tattling. Go. You know what I mean? Like, that was just the way it was. Now I do not raise my kids that way, okay? Like, that is not my attitude at all. If something like that happened to one of my kids, there would be a meeting about it. And like. But I got little kids. If, if my son was 20 and he told me he was playing basketball and A girl threw something at him. The idea that I'd say, take this to the chancellor, like, what? No, it's just too weird to me. It's too, like. Anyway, the idea that you go take it to the Attorney General is just, like, insane. And also, I don't think. I'm not. I don't know if I. I'd want that girl kicked out of school. Maybe, like, someone should talk to her, maybe some type of punishment, but that would seem a little excessive to me. But for the Attorney General to be bringing this up at an event and talking about it publicly is just. It's beyond bizarre. And look, I mean, again, Rob, like, you, you kind of made one of the points we were saying, like, leaning into stereotypes. Like, going and speaking at a Jewish event and telling them, like, we tattled and we won. You know, that's not great. But then also, I mean, come on, like, as. As Ben Shapiro said the other day, anti Semitism is a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy theory that the Jews run everything. It's like, oh, I mean, what does this look like? What does all of this make it look like? That. Oh, okay. So, like, don't worry. The full force of the federal government is behind making sure that nobody is hostile toward Jews. That kind of confirms the thing. It's like the great old Norm MacDonald joke. It's just like that. All of this just plays right into the stereotypes. It's. It's nothing good coming out of any of this. You know, let's do the. Let's play the. What's his name again? The ADL guy. Hold on one second, I'll. It's the, the last one that I sent you, Jonathan Greenblatt. Because this one is. Is pretty wild as well. This is. This is the head of the ADL giving his take on a similar dynamic.

A (33:33)

Oh, did he? I didn't, I didn't remember who ended up winning it. I just remember us covering that they were dumb enough to put Ms. Rachel on it, which is just still so funny. Just so goddamn. These people are just. They've lost their minds. But yeah, I mean, this is, this is what they're telling you. And look, again, I'm not saying I know how this is gonna, how this is possibly gonna play out. I, I can't imagine they actually think they can crack down on all of this. It's just the toothpaste's out of the tube. There's nothing you're gonna do here. But that doesn't mean they think that and that doesn't mean they won't try. So we will see. All right, guys, let's take a moment to thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Crowd Health, a great company, longtime sponsor of this show. I've been telling you about these guys for years, and now they have their Black Swan membership, which is amazing. It's the healthcare alternative for who want autonomy over their care, their costs and their lifestyle. For just $95 a month, you get a team of expert bill negotiators, access to low cost prescriptions and lab testing, and a curated database of high quality, low cost Doctors vetted by crowd health. No insurance middleman. No networks dictating what doctors you can and can't see. Just you in the driver's seat. And if a major black swan event hits, you cover the first 15,000 and the crowd steps up to help fund the rest. It's like the freedom we used to have before Obamacare turned health care into a bureaucratic nightmare. So kick off 2026 on your terms. And if you use the promo code POTP when you go to joincrowdhealth.com you'll get your first three months for just $80. That's right. Ring in the new year with health care that puts you first. Crowd health is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Visit Joincrowd Health.com and use the promo code POTP today. All right, let's get back into the show. All right. All right, what should we. We got. We've got a bunch of good stuff here. What let's do, you know, let's do the Sam Harris one because it is.

A (41:58)

Oh, there is no better ROI in the world than buying a politician. There's. It's. It's just not. You could buy a politician for a few crummy million dollars and you could get billions from a, you know, the right bill getting passed. So no question about that. But again, it is. Look, it's. It's part of this is just the. The nature of human beings, right? Like, if, you know, we. We talk about this stuff a lot as. As it applies to U.S. foreign policy. Right? Like, there is. So if. If. Let's just say, like, you know, the deep state, as we all know, Right. Rob the deep state did steal the election. You know, now, maybe not in the way that Trump says, but they absolutely put their finger on the scale to interfere in the election in Joe Biden's favor. And it was a very close election. It took weeks to figure out who won that thing. And the deep state came out and just made up a whole fucking propaganda story to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story and claim it was Russian disinformation and all this. And okay, so we know that, but, like, if the Chinese had come in and done it, we would feel a little different about that. Like, you'd be much. You'd be much more likely to be ready to pick up a gun and go do something if, like a foreigner, because it's just a little bit different. It's a little bit different when you're. And so in the same sense with Iran, you know, when they were furious when they overthrew the shah, that America had installed the shah, it's a little bit different. People can take a domestic. Domestic despotism more than they can over, like, a foreign domination. And just like so. So in other words, if this was, you know, the farmers union trying to buy off the government so that they can get more subsidies or something like that, it's just not quite as appalling as, like, a foreign country buying off favor from our government on behalf of theirs. There's just something about that that's just so outrageous. It's like you're essentially, yes, you're saying that you're playing within the very corrupt, disgusting rules that we have, but in effect, you're a foreign spy. That's essentially what you're telling us. Like, I'm a foreign spy who's here to influence your government. What else can you say? Yeah, that's just how they are. Did we find the other Mary Madison clip or no? Natalie, it's all good. If not, no worries.

A (47:09)

All right, I think. I didn't mean to send that clip. I sent the wrong version of it. But anyway, okay, the kind of point being made, so Sam Harris and them, they sit here and have this conversation and they're like, oh, it's this awful conspiracy theory that Jews are behind open immigration. And then essentially they just go on to explain that, like, yeah, Jews supported open immigration because we benefited from it in the past. And I don't know, Rob, it's like, again, like, with all these things, there's also a whole lot of Jews who are border hawks. And so, like, it doesn't make sense to, like, blame Jews as a whole. But, like, I've always just found this to be an odd. You know, me and you have talked about this for years. In fact, I remember, like, whatever it was like 10 years ago when, when you came on the show, when we first started podcasting together, we used to talk about these things where there'd be like the. In fact, some of them were like Barry Weiss clips and stuff like that, where she'd be talking about anti Semitism and all of this. And I always feel like, okay, but like, if you're gonna have this conversation, like, at least just have the conversation. Just like, be honest about it. Let's actually talk about this. And that doesn't mean you have to come to the conclusion that, yeah, it's right to hate Jews or something like that. In fact, But I don't really think too many people are seriously arguing that. But you go, hey, I mean, open immigration has been a disaster for America. It's been a disaster for Europe. And it is in. Particularly in Europe, in a sense. Like, you know, you ever look at, like, the projections, Rob, that it's like, we're only like, a few decades away from, like. Like, Irish people are going to be a minority in Ireland, British people are going to be a minority in Britain. You know, like Swedes a minority in Sweden. And that is. Look, I. I could look at this a lot of different ways. And. And I can understand, you know, like, I'm, Again, I. I grew up in New York City. Like, I'm not. I don't know. I can understand people going, yeah, what difference does it make? Like, what does it matter if this changes or that changes or whatever? But, like, on some level, you're like, yeah, but maybe that's kind of profoundly up. Like, the, you know, Irish people, First of Ireland's a great example, just because they have. They have, like, none of the white guilt or shouldn't have any of the white guilt that, like, plagues so many of these other countries. Like, Ireland never dominated anyone. It's just never did anything. They did fucking, as far as I know, they didn't have a slave trade. They never conquered anyone. They were just getting their asses kicked by the British. That was their entire. And Irish people, like, real deal fucking fought and died for their independence, for their autonomy, like, for their people to continue. And then if a bunch of politicians, against the will of the Irish people, just, like, decided to completely change it so that Ireland goes extinct, well, you could certainly see where a lot of people would have a problem with that.

A (50:21)

That's true. You brought in a bunch of people who don't drink to Ireland. But, like, you know, and then you're going to sit there and go, like, okay, well, hey, we're. We're a part of this group. It's like 2% of. Of the population in America, much, much less than that globally. And, yeah, we came in and we advocated for all these policies that resulted in this because we thought it was better for us. All right? But, like, if that's the case, then I just don't see how the next thing you wouldn't say is, like, so I understand why we take a lot of heat for that. I understand why that pisses a lot of people off. Because isn't it kind of obvious. Isn't that obvious why that would get some people to go, oh, that was kind of up. And I don't know. I just, I don't, I don't think that's. I don't think that's right. And it's, it's also not the case. You know, you hear the stories about like, I'm sure you, you've heard, Rob, it is very like famous amongst Jews. Like almost every Jewish kid heard the story from their parents about boats full of Jews being turned away during the, the Nazis reign in Germany and then getting sent back to Nazi Germany. And like, hey, look, that's a. If you have an example where like closing a border meant you sent people back to a genocide to get genocided, hey, that's a, That's a good example of God damn. That really is. That sure does suck for those people. And man, are you sure we couldn't just take in a couple ships of these people and not send them back to, to their deaths? Okay, fine. But you can't extrapolate from that. That they are for you can take in tens of millions of people. Like, it's just a lot of these things don't work like that. And I really do think, you know, it's the major problem with immigration is the sheer numbers. It's not that like any other group of people are so horrible, or at least from my perspective. And I think sometimes the immigration hawks get this wrong. Like they'll kind of take the attitude that even I, I see a lot of them because, you know, hating Muslims is kind of the new go to now. And there's literally. I can't remember which paper it was. I was reading it. It was one Israeli paper, might have been the Jerusalem Post, I can't remember. But they had like a, it was, it was a. From the Israeli government, like a whole report that's basically said like, we're losing this war, the PR war real bad. And what we should pivot to is the Muslims because that's what right wingers in America respond to. So anyway, there's a lot of that going on now. But they'll say things like Islam is incompatible with, with the west or something like that. And it's like, I don't know. I'm not sure I believe that. You know, I, I grew up in Brooklyn. We had a, a fairly large like, like Pakistan, you know, Pakistan, Pakistanis, some Afghans, you know, and they were cool. They were like, you know, they were, they were the people who threw on a baseball hat and Ran a bodega and were like, I love, I love baseball in America and had a little American flags waving in their stores and stuff. The thing is, it wasn't in such large numbers, like, and it wasn't. It. There's a difference between importing, like immigrants who go through a process and get a lawyer and pay a fee and like, do a thing, and then just taking millions in from a war torn region. That's just a fundamentally different thing. And we ended up doing a whole lot of the latter. And yeah, if you're, if you're advocating for that as it went down. Yeah, you're kind of caught with your pounds down now that everybody realizes it was a big, huge mistake, that's going to lead towards some people resenting you for, for advocating for those policies. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Massa. Look, it's a new year. 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A (56:39)

Yeah, no, that's a very, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. It doesn't have to be the extreme of either. I also just think, you know, I think that generally speaking, right, the, this is broad brush here, but generally speaking, I think the left, left wingers in general, um, cartoonishly make everything environmental, but there's also a tendency on the right, particularly on the far right, to make everything genetic. And I think this is maybe like the most centrist view I have. But the truth is, like, you're always getting it wrong. If you say it's all nurture or you say it's all nature and you. Because it's always both, it's always a mix of both. And, and, and actually nurture is very, very important. Your environment matters a lot. It's not everything. There, There is such a thing as genetics. There is biological realities. Now, obviously you could all think of, of environments or, or excuse me, you could all think of examples where the left does this like, to a cartoonish level. Obviously the trans issue is, is the most obvious one where it's like, guys, you can't, like there is a scientific reality here and you can't just wish that away because you don't like the way it makes you feel. Like, whatever. It's just you're, you're, you're arguing like, it's like, I'm, I'm a man, but I feel like I'm a woman, therefore I'm a woman. Well, like, however you feel that person should be treated, just like, no, you're not. You don't, you don't get to just say your feelings trump reality. And, and of course people in the left. If you were to ask why it is that there's such a higher crime rate in the black community than the white community, or if you were to ask why Africa is so poor and Europe is so rich, immediately they have to go to environmental factors like that. That just has to be the answer. It's oppression, imperialism, something, something was done to that. There's no way this group could be here and this group could be here in any field for any reason other than environment. Which is silly. Like there are differences between different groups of people. But at the same time I think right wingers have a tendency to really downplay environment. And so like for example, okay, like if me and my wife were, let's say you got like the worst bin Ladenite head chopper in running the Syrian government right now. But take the worst, like you know, isis when they were invading, invading Iraq and just literally chopping people's heads off and doing all types of crazy barbaric shit. You take the 20 year old who's doing that, the guy who's chopping people's heads off and let's say 20 years earlier me and my wife adopted him and he comes and lives in my house and we raise him the same way we raise our children now. I don't know, you know, my children and I could see it already in them. Even though they're young kids, they have like specific things that are genetic from me or genetic from my, my wife or they, you see, one of them looks like their grandmother or one of them look, you know what I mean? Like things that are clearly like, or they have an ability that you know, one of us had or something. Okay, so like that kid may not have all that. He, I'm not saying he would be exactly the same as my kids. He will not be chopping people's heads off. That is 100% guaranteed. Like he would be a functioning member of society because we would love him and raise him. Right? And like environment does actually mean a lot. So like in other words, if you take the one member of ISIS as a newborn, one day old baby and you give them a loving, nice environment, he's not going to turn into a member of isis. But if you bring all of ISIS over here and then ISIS just raises their kids, you just get ISIS over here. You get my point. So like it's not. When you bring in small numbers of people, the pressure is like to assimilate, to fall in line. But when you bring in huge numbers of people, you end up with Minnesota, they don't come over and assimilate, they come over and they do their own Somali thing here with our government, you know what I mean? And so like this really is the, the, the, the, the, I think the fail, the failed logic of this mass, of this mass immigration is that just because something works in small doses doesn't mean it can scale. And so even like when, when people would say, oh, America is a country of immigrants or something like that, it's like, yeah, to some degree we are. That doesn't mean there's no limit to how many we can take in. That doesn't mean that like, you know, like it's not deduced. It's almost like, and this is why I did that debate last year at the soho forum, because I just think this is an important topic to, for libertarians particularly to get good on is.

A (62:08)

You, even if you want to say something right, like, like in theory, if you were going to go like, like make the economic argument that freedom of, of movement, you know, goods and labor all being able to cross borders is more economical or something like that, it's like, okay, but where, like how about this? Is there any theory other than like retarded leftism, egalitarian, everything is environmental down to even your gender or your species or whatever. How far you want to take the logic. Aside from that retarded way of looking at the world, if we were to get, is there anything that tells you let's say we were to bring in 10 million people from Canada or we were to bring in 10 million people from Okinawa. Are you telling me that's exactly the same? There's no difference? You know, like why, what would you deduce that from? They're obviously like, they're different nations and different races and different religions and different cultures and different, lots of things. So I think it's reasonable to think it might be different without even making a value judgment, like better or worse. Again, if you're taking in some people from like Sweden or if you're taking in some people from war torn Syria, I think there might be a difference. And, and I will make a value judgment on that one. I think one's worse. And, and so like, you know, now we sit here and, and one of the things, and I think this is what's very frustrating to a lot of people like us is that what you're seeing with like these ICE raids and just like how stupid and kind of cruel the whole thing is, is that you go like, well, this is the problem with a policy like mass migration. You know, it's, it's kind of different than any other policy because it's really, really hard to undo. You know, like, what can you do now? You know, you let 30, 40, 50 million people into the country illegally. It's like, ah, well, what are you going to do? How the fuck are you going to get rid of that many people? Essentially, you can't. I mean, Trump can do. So instead, what Trump can do is have this, like, performative cruelty without really dealing with the problem. And anyway, listen, this, this shouldn't be something that Jews get blamed for because there's a lot of Jews who oppose this shit and there's a lot of non Jews who were right there supporting it as well. But those people who supported open borders for all of these years, or those people who supported this mass migration policy, there's going to be backlash and resentment over that because it was a bad idea, it was bad policy, and the results have been pretty disastrous. So you're going to get heat for that. And if you want to have an honest conversation about that, then fine, let's do it. But to just sit there and say, wow, it's racism, it's conspiracy theories and racism. Well, the thing is, right, Rob, like as we just kind of showed you, if you, if you just listen to what Miriam Adelson and her friend there are saying, that would sound like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. If me or you just said it right, they would call that an anti Semitic conspiracy theory, except the Jews in question are saying it themselves and broadcasting it. So, like, again, like I've always said, like, you know, if you're talking about real deal Jew hatred as me and you would define it like normal people, like actually define it as hating a group of people or blaming members, blaming people for an immutable characteristic when they themselves are not guilty of anything. Like, okay, if you want to have a conversation about the rise in Jew hatred, how the fuck do you ever put out that fire? If you can't even start by having the conversation, you can't even just actually talk about it and go, okay, well this is the thing, and this is what people are angry about. And here's where they got a legitimate point. Here's where they go a little bit too far. But all the Sam Harris guys, all the Barry Weisses, all the Miriam Adelson, all the Mark Levins, all they want to do is just call you names, say you're, you're a racist, you're a bigot. It's like, all right. Oh, that's. When was the last time that ever shut anyone up? Definitely never worked on me anyway. All right, we're gonna wrap up there. We'll be back tomorrow with a brand new show. Thank you very much. Catch you next time. Peace.