Dave Smith (40:05)
Well, but look, even just looking at this, right. So let's, let's take a look at this, this chart that I just sent Over. Because I would say at the very least, it is very unclear. So here, let's see here, Natalie, just if you could pull up. And this is a Pew Research. It says this is two years of coronavirus deaths in the United States. Can you pull that up, Natalie? Here, let's see. I just. Well, let me see the one that I just sent you. Did that come through? Should. Yeah. Okay, so here's. So if, if we could zoom in a little bit on that. If we could just make it a little bit bigger. I mean, so here you have. Right. So you could look there you have. What you're going to have with COVID is you. Let's keep the chart up. You're going to have these typically had dips in the summer and spikes in the colder season, which is pretty consistent with upper respiratory viruses. Okay. So you have the initial wave, as you can see in March when it comes in going into the summer, that's a real bad wave. In the black is. Is excess deaths. And in the Blue is reported COVID 19 deaths. Okay, so then you have another massive wave in the winter of, of 2020. Okay, this is before. So right there in the middle, that middle kind of big jump that you see over December. This is before the vaccines are rolled out, right? The vaccines are rolled out in. In early. Okay, so then you have the summer of 2021. You have another dip. You could argue the dips a little bit lower than the dip in the summer before. Doesn't seem to be any drastic relation. But as soon as it gets cold again, look at these peaks. The peak is as high as it was in March of 2020. And then actually here at the end, in the, in the end of, In December of 2021, it seems like the numbers are higher than they were originally in 2020. So like, look, there's. Obviously with all of these things, and this is what you were talking about with your, your Covid expert buddy. There's a lot of different ways to interpret data like this. And I'm, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's different arguments that can be made, but no, it is absolutely just not the case that there's this obvious drop once the vaccine comes out. Like, look, if you're, if you're talking about finding a cure for a disease, right, And a cure for a disease that, that was. I mean, I remember, you know, again, we'd have to go back and look at all the numbers of this, but very pretty early on, like by the time. So if we go back, I'm sorry. If we pull that chart up again, by the time, if you're looking at the last jump there, the jump that's at the end of, of 2021, this is after already 70 something percent of the adult population has been vaccinated. So if you're talking about you have a cure for a disease and then you're going to argue like, look, this was obviously the cur at the drop after the cure was introduced. Well, no, I'm sorry, like, that's not the case. You could come up with some alternate explanation perhaps for why this was the case. This is all the fault of the unvaccinated or something like that. But you went from, in 2020, you had 100% of people not being vaccinated, and by the end of 2021, you had like 20% of people not being vaccinated at most. So no, if you're bragging that there's. This was just so obvious, you would expect to see a drop like a real. You know what I mean? Like this thing is going down. That's not what you're seeing there at all. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Public Rec. If you're tired of squeezing into stiff dress pants, you gotta check out the Game Changer Pants from Public Rec. 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And for a limited time only, our listeners can get 20 off when you use the promo code problem at checkout@publicwreck.com. so the website is publicwreck.com that's P U-B and use the promo code problem at checkout for 20 off your order. All right, let's get Back into the show. Cuomo's just making a case. Now, if Cuomo actually want. First off, he's not capable of actually getting in, like, getting into the data and, like, really looking through it. But, like, no, it's just. It is not the case. What he's saying is absolutely not true. It's just another. I know it's easy to sit here and point out things that people say that aren't true. True, It's. It's easier for some of us than others. But, no, it's just not the case at all that the vaccine came out and then they weren't. And this is why I was remembering is because I'm remembering, like, you know, like, I'm. I'm like, you, too, in the same way where, like, all this stuff was in my brain. And now we're going back a few years, and I've been thinking about other stuff since then, and I don't have it as fresh, but I do just remember, like, Israel was the example that we looked to a bunch where they had. Because they were, like, way ahead of everybody else. They were like, they had, like, the highest vaccine rates, and then they were already, like, on boosters for their seniors before anyone else. And it was after that that they had their. They broke all their records for worst week in terms of transmission, worst week in terms of deaths, all these things that came after. So, no, I'm sorry, but again, this. It's kind of like, I. I know this isn't like. Like, the deepest, like, full proof explanation of all of this stuff, but much like with a lot of these psychotropic drugs, much like SSRI and like that, it's like, if you. If you're telling me this is the cure for depression and you came out with the cure, and depression has risen since then, I think it's reasonable for me to question whether that was really a cure cure or not. And likewise, if you come out with a cure for Covid and you force it on the pub, on the public in large numbers, and then after a year of this, we're having a wave where it's as bad as the year before the vaccine was out, I think a reasonable starting point is to be skeptical of that cure, because typically speaking, when you have a disease and then you come up with a cure for the disease, what you see is deaths from that disease going way down. So what Cuomo's doing here is he's trying to pretend that that's what happened in this example. Like, he's trying to pretend like we could all look at a chart. As if you could look at a chart and just see, like, okay, Covid was. It was all the way up here and then it just went down. Like, after the vaccine came out, it just went down and down and down out. If that were the case, there would be a much stronger argument here. It's just not. And you look at the data that's not at all what happened. And you could have some different interpretations for, like, why is it that, you know, this spike was worse than that spike or whatever. And there's lots of different, you know, obviously, like, natural immunity is a huge factor in all of this as well, but it's just not the case that that exists when you actually. The data doesn't bear that out. I don't know. All right, any other thoughts, Rob, before we switch over to our next topic.
