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Epstein Files Released, Kind Of

Part Of The Problem

Tue Feb 03 2026

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Podcast Summary: "Epstein Files Released, Kind Of"

Podcast: Part of the Problem
Host: Dave Smith (w/ co-host Rob)
Date: February 3, 2026
Episode Theme:
The episode centers on the recent partial release of the "Epstein files"—millions of pages of government documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. Dave Smith and Rob dissect the significance, the revelations (or lack thereof), government responses, media hypocrisy, and broader libertarian themes about elites, state power, and transparency. The show also touches on the Trump administration’s mishandling, media partisanship, conspiracy theories, and lingers briefly on other news (Iran, Don Lemon).

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode critiques the U.S. government’s release (and ongoing suppression) of Epstein-related documents, exposing bipartisan failures, ongoing coverup mechanisms, and the broader darkness within elite circles. It confronts propaganda tactics, the complicity of establishment media and conservative pundits, and the institutional desire to obscure the truth about powerful figures and their networks. Dave frames the episode as a libertarian breakdown of corrupt power, using the Epstein scandal to exemplify how the state and ruling class defend their own.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein Files Release: What Actually Changed?

Scope of the Release: Over 3 million pages released, but with another ~2.5 million withheld (06:00, 12:30).
Reasons for Withholding: Cited as images of death, pedophilia, or ongoing investigations. Rob astutely notes this serves as a catch-all excuse:

"Anything that's part of an ongoing investigation, you now have a mechanism for basically keeping anything that's extremely of interest away from the public." (12:48, Rob)
Expected Revelations: Both hosts agree little truly new has come out—just more surreal confirmation of elite depravity.
Range of Theories: Discussion runs from the “Israeli blackmail operation” angle to the less-conspiratorial but still damning raw corruption among elites.

2. “Who Are These People?”: Elite Criminality & Cultural Rot

Dave revisits an old talking point: understanding government as a criminal gang, with the Epstein web serving as a case study. (05:30–08:45)
He draws a straight line from Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton (as both a defender of a pedophile and spouse to an accused rapist), to Anthony Weiner—underscoring the interconnected decay.
Notable quote:

"It's only that you've been mindfucked that you think of government and gang as different things. They are the same thing." (07:05, Dave)
Dave concludes:

"There’s obviously no answer here that isn’t: these people are like demonically evil. What exactly the story is is not clear, but that much is clear." (11:10, Dave)

3. Conservative Coping: Dan Bongino and the Trump Administration

Failed Transparency: The Trump White House and its surrogates, after promising full transparency, repeatedly denied the existence of files, calling it a Democrat hoax (14:40, 18:00, 34:30).
Bongino & Allies: Both hosts skewer Dan Bongino for posturing, then gaslighting his audience after being caught lying about the existence and content of the files.
- Memorable breakdown of Bongino’s return to podcasting and his anger at being “owned” by his audience—“victory lap on being a troll.” (28:37–34:09)
Critique of “no one is happy, level 10 decisions” rhetoric; Dave reminds listeners that protecting rapists and pedophiles isn’t a morally complex bureaucratic conundrum.

"If you were interested in transparency, the conversation...would have been: who's the team, what are we investigating? Instead, the only conversation was how to keep things hidden." (45:16, Rob)

4. Media’s Role & The Cult of "Disproving" Conspiracies

Bannon Interview with Epstein:
Both hosts note how Bannon paints Epstein as a “finance genius” without meaningful proof, exposing elite mythmaking (19:47–22:53).

"Bannon keeps saying how smart this guy is, and I'm just not seeing any evidence of it." (20:40, Dave)
Blackmail as a Motive — and Lack of Hard Evidence: The “Bill Gates STD blackmail” email is used as a teachable moment about the power of subtle threat (22:53).
Press Complicity: Dave laments an absent honest media, with only independent journalists willing to push real questions:

"Imagine we had a media in this country...Bill Gates is going to have to answer a lot of questions about this. But we don't really have that." (23:02, Dave)

5. Libertarian Synthesis and Call-Outs

The persistent theme is one of state and media criminality, bipartisan hypocrisy, and the illusion of oversight.
Thomas Massie receives significant praise for forcing the hand on the document release.
Dave summarizes:

“This is devastating for the Trump administration. The mishandling here is legendary…they all look awful, including the Warhawks and media commentators who said, ‘nothing to see here.’” (18:14, Dave)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Absurdity of the "Partial" File Release:

“Files that don’t exist, Rob. Which was just fascinating to me. Files that don’t exist. And also, there’s three million of them.” (04:13, Dave)
On the Blackmail Allegation:

"Reminding him about the time he needed to secretly give his wife antibiotics because he brought her home an STD...The only reason to be writing it that way is to be trying to control somebody." (22:53, Dave)
On Dan Bongino's Cope:

“He’s taking a victory lap on being a troll…That’s what you’ve fallen to: ‘Aha, I pissed you off.’” (32:17, Dave & Rob) “You said you saw the proof that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. What did you see, sir? That’s it. Is that a clownish question?” (33:20, Dave)
On Government Self-Protection:

“If this network was powerful enough to orchestrate this whole thing, I’m pretty sure they were powerful enough to get the really sensitive documents out before…you know what I mean?” (18:14, Dave)
On U.S. Foreign Policy Pretexts:

“The idea that US Foreign policy is just motivated by, like, people are being killed and therefore we have to go stop the killing when we're the biggest killers, we kill in bigger numbers than any of them. It's just too ridiculous.” (58:34, Dave)

Timestamps for Important Segments

[06:00] – Initial discussion of the file release and what was (not) revealed
[12:30] – Rob details the mechanisms of ongoing document suppression
[18:14] – Dave’s summation of the Trump administration’s disastrous handling
[19:47-22:53] – Bannon’s “finance genius” narrative and the alleged blackmail draft to Gates
[28:37–34:09] – Dan Bongino’s on-air meltdown and avoidance tactics
[45:16-46:00] – Rob’s point about the lack of real investigation; transparent stonewalling
[58:34] – Dave on war pretexts and U.S. hypocrisy in foreign policy

Tone & Language

The tone is combative, sarcastic, and relentless—deeply skeptical of both government and press, with moments of gallows humor and libertarian exhortation.
Language is informal, energetic, and laced with cursing and expressive imagery (“mindfucked,” “blue pill,” “pedophile protector”).
Focused on exposing hypocrisy, using both mockery and moral outrage.

Brief Coverage of Other Topics

Iran Protest Deaths: Dave and Rob cast doubt on U.S. war propaganda about Iranian mass killings, highlighting lack of evidence and the repetition of regime-change talking points (49:50–58:06).
Don Lemon Controversy: Brief debate about whether prosecuting Don Lemon is wise—the hosts agree he’s dumb, but differ on the optics and strategic consequences (62:42–65:30).

Conclusion

This episode is a bracing critique of elite impunity and the bipartisan failure to pursue truth about Epstein, using the file dump as a lens to dissect how state, media, and party machines perpetuate deep corruption. It’s rich with insight for those who see the Epstein case as more than “conspiracy”—an emblem of a diseased establishment.

For full names, attribution, and quotes, reference the audio timestamps. All advertisements, promos, and tour plugs have been omitted from this summary.

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Transcript

A (0:00)

Foreign. What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. It's a. It's a big one today. How you doing, Rob?

B (0:13)

I'm doing well. How to the boot licking debate go?

A (0:18)

Oh, yes, yes. I just. I just debated Tim Pool on Pierce Morgan show. It was very friendly. You know, I loved him, and he knows that, but he. Honestly, once we got on there, we kind of agreed on a lot of stuff. And I also. I was in the boot. Well, I said, if Tim wants to identify as a boot, I will respect his pronouns. So I started off, like, kind of with a, you know, a good, good spirit. But, yeah, actually, it was. It was a good time, and it was nice to. To be back on. On Pierce Morgan. I feel awful for, you know. Did you hear what happened with him? He, like, fell and really up, like, broke his femur and had to have his hip replaced and anything, so. But he's still. I'm pretty impressed. He's. This was only like a week, maybe two weeks ago at most, and he's doing the show. He's not in the studio. He's doing it, like, I think from home, but he's still doing his show, which I thought was just. I don't know. There's something. And I really do say this. Don't. This is not at all an insult. I mean, this is the strongest possible compliment. But there's something about Piers Morgan that I just respect the shit out of. Like, even though he's had a million positions that I completely disagree with, but he is such a capitalist. Like, such a pure. Like, he even.

B (1:26)

It's like our love for comedy is his love for doing television, and he's not going to miss his show. And that's all.

A (1:31)

He's like. He's like, dude, there's. They're stitching up the side of his hip with this new hip they just put in there, and he's like, dave Smith and Tim Pool are beefing on Twitter. He's like, all right, all right, let's make that happen. You know, like, it's just. It's just great.

B (1:44)

I feel bad if it's not more contentious. Like, you didn't give Piers the show he was looking for.

A (1:48)

Dude, I swear to God, I almost. I made a joke about it up front where. Because Pierce started the thing, but because we made up on Twitter, like, Like, Tim, you know, like, tweeted at me after we did the segment. And look, admittedly, I was pretty harsh on him, but, like, I kind of Felt like he deserved it in the moment. And. But so then we. He tweeted on Twitter. He was like, dave, you're not even making a point here. You're just making fun of me. And I was like, all right, Tim, well, you weren't really making a point either, so I was just making fun of you. But here's my argument, you know, and then I laid out my whole argument. I wrote a long tweet, and then he went, I completely agree. And then I was just like, all right, Tim, well, that's good. And I was like, look, I'm sorry if I was disrespectful or whatever, you know, like, I. I do respect you and blah, blah, blah and all the. But then Pierce starts the show by just playing the video, by just playing the clip of what I said of him, and I'm like, oh, look at you. You're injured and you're still trying to stir up. Like, there's just something great. And I did. I. I don't. I didn't say it, but I. I swear I did think at one point to just be like, pierce, Pierce, I promise to go real hard on the next one. Like, I promise to. To, like, insult whoever the next guy that I debate is. But I don't know. I liked him, but it was good. I thought it was fun, and it was. Yeah, I thought it was actually a really good one of the. One of the better, like, appearances I think that I've had on the show, although, I don't know, I've had a lot.

A (4:04)

Yeah, I can't wait for that one. That's always fun. We haven't done that place in. Or you've done it, but I haven't done it in a few years, but I always had a real good time down there. And then we got a bunch of, we also got gigs like we're, we're going back to a bunch of my favorite markets, like Boston and Chicago and Denver and, and all that stuff. But then we're also doing Pittsburgh and we got a date in Phoenix and we got just like a bunch of, a bunch of cool stuff. I'm excited for. It's going to be, it's going to be a wild year, 2026. And well, hey, it's been a wild weekend. It's been wild since our last show, I guess. Let's start with Epstein files stuff. So that was the, the big news over the last few days is that the, the, the government released over 3 million pages of documents of files that don't exist, Rob. Which was just fascinating to me. Files that don't exist. And also there's three. You see, the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, it's a lot like, it's like real advanced subatomic physics. You know, things cannot exist and also be more than 3 million of them at the same time. I know that doesn't, yeah, kind of like, God, it doesn't really make sense to you mere mortals, but like, that's essentially this whole thing, you know, I, I, I remember that when I, so this is like, you know, because I've been in a libertarian now for, for 20 years. Just about little, a little bit shy, I guess. It was 2007 that I got into this. And, and so, you know, I've just been around for a while and I remember this used to be like one of my old talking points. This is way before I had ever, like, knew anything about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. I, like most of you guys, didn't know about Jeffrey Epstein until he was arrested the second time in Trump's first administration. Then I learned about, like, who this guy had been. I hadn't heard of him before that, but I remember I used, and I used to, like when I first started podcasting, which, like, in around, like 2012, I started doing part of the problem. I used to talk about this a lot, was a big theme of mine. And in fact, even when I First did Ari Shafiro's podcast. This was the one of the first things I started talking about. And this was the thing that Joe Rogan saw of me and then liked me and invited me on. If you ever see the first, first time I'm on Rogan's podcast, the first thing he, he ever brings up about me is he goes, he goes, oh, you were breaking down this Hillary Clinton audio tape which he, I, he had, he hadn't heard of. Like I introduced him to it and he was fascinated by it. And so basically one of my old talking points used to be that it would be like, okay, so first step is like, okay, you learn like this libertarian, you know, insight that governments are essentially gangs. That's all this shit is, is gang. And it's just totally. It's only that you've been mind that you think of government and gang as different things. They are the same thing. All the government is, is the most powerful gang who took over. You know, like Rothbard, Anatomy of the State. But then after you kind of like, you know, internalize that message, then you start to get interested in the players because in the same way that like, if you were thinking about like, oh, if I was telling you a story about like mob. Well, okay, you already know we're talking about mob here. You're not like, were they good guys or were they criminals? You're like, yeah, well obviously they're criminal. They're all criminals. But then you want to know the characters like, and the thing about that, when you understand that with government, when you understand that these are people who, who will lie you into a war so that their buddy can get rich, like they will comfortably decide to slaughter children by the hundreds of thousands and lose no sleep over it, you, you start to ask yourself like, who the are these people? Who are these people? How dark does it actually get? And so anyway, I, I don't know if people know this or not, but if you're an old school fan of mine, you would because I talked about this all the time. But you can find this out there. There's a tape of Hillary Clinton where she's bragging about her days as a criminal defense lawyer when she got a pedophile off. And I'm not exaggerating when I said she, it is the most sociopathic shit you've ever heard in your life. And by the way, this, it was like a four. No, I think she was like 12. It's like a 12 or 13 year old girl who got brutally anally raped. Okay. And Then Hillary Clinton's telling the story about how they tricked the jury or they tricked the judge. It's that. And she's laughing as she does it. She goes, we were able to convince them that this was a huge miscarriage of justice, that they were pinning it on this guy. So, like, she's going, I know he did it, but we got him off. And she's laughing about it. And you just stop and you're like, yo, what? And I remember the thing I said to Rogan back then. I used to say this was like one of my talking points, you know, it was like my. The thing I was into in 2012, and then in 2015 when it looked like Hillary Clinton was going to be the next president. I was talking about this all the time. And I went, look, Hillary Clinton is married to a sexual predator and her best friend is also married to a sexual predator. Like, what are the odds of that? What are the odds of that amongst regular people that you'd be like, yo, your husband's a rapist. Wait. And your friend's husband also sends dick pics to children. That is real, by the way. All that shit's confirmed. Like, you know, I mean, Bill Clinton's been accused by like six women of rape and settled with several of them. And Anthony Weiner, Hillary Clinton's best friend's husband, was. We found the text message. I mean, he was convicted of it. So anyway, I guess that almost is like my biggest takeaway with the Epstein files we've seen so far. It's just like, yeah, we haven't. We don't. We don't really know that much more than we already know. We've got some weird stuff for sure, which we could get into if you want to rob, but it's just like, you're left with this, like, man, who the are these people? And I'm not claiming to, like, know exactly. Like, I'm not saying I have the whole thing worked out, but it is like the closer you get to it, it is so dark. Like, just so dark. And there's almost like there's. There's obviously no answer here that isn't. These people are like demonically evil. What exactly the story is is not clear, but that much is clear. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon. If be your most radiant self in the new year, you got to check out Prolon's five day fasting mimicking diet. It makes it easy to target fat loss, support lean muscle and reset your metabolism so you look and feel your best in this new year. I know at the beginning of a new year is when everybody's always got like their health goals in mind. Well, here's one that's really worth taking a look at. Prolon is a plant based nutrition program that features soups, snacks and beverages designed to nourish the body while keeping it in a fasting state, triggering cellular rejuvenation and renewal. 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A (14:13)

Yeah, well, I mean, I think that there's. It's funny because even if you think about it, there's almost like a range of where, of what this could possibly fall into. Like what was really going on here. I mean, at the very least, what we kind of have conclusively is that this was a guy who was involved in like the very highest level of kind of like shadow diplomacy. Like he's working out deals between all types of powerful people. He claims in an email, he himself claims to be an agent of the Rothschilds, which it is interesting, you know, and that I believe I'm almost, I'm like 99 sure of this. But I believe that Alan Dershowitz has said that the Rothschilds, one of the Rothschilds, are who connected him and, and Epstein to begin with. So, but, so look, there's always been essentially like the theory that's floating in the back that a lot of people on the Internet, and if I'm being completely honest, probably myself and you too, not to say that we were saying like, we know this to be 100% true, but the suspicion has always been that the dude was blackmailing powerful Americans, including financial, cultural and political leaders, on behalf of Israel. Now that has not been conclusively demonstrated, but at the very least, he was clearly very close with Israeli interests, including the Mossad, very close with powerful Zionist billionaires, and he himself was partying with young girls with all these powerful men, and he at least crossed that line of legal into underage illegal sex. Right, so again, what exactly, you know, like where exactly you put it in the either way, you got to say here, like, like this is. If I zoom out, the more meta take on all of this is like, this just looks, it's so devastating for the Trump administration, man, just on every, like, the mishandling of this is legendary. Like, I mean, it'll go down in history if we all survive as like one of the worst handled political scandals. The fact that, the fact is that there's just no getting around this is that all of the, all of the people at the top of the administration in relation to this, meaning the Justice Department and the White House just fucking lied through their goddamn teeth, dude. It was last summer that Donald Trump said, there are no files. It's a democratic hoax. Pam Bondi, same thing. Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, they've seen the proof that he killed himself. That sure, that sure ain't in there. I mean, maybe. Listen, I should, I should caveat that there's three and a half million documents here. A lot of really smart people are going to be pouring into this for, for days and weeks and months to come, but it's certainly, it certainly doesn't seem like there's anything pointing in that direction yet. So they all look awful. Also all of the Warhawks and the commentators like Ben Shapiro and Douglas Murray who jumped on this thing and said, there are no files. I know the people in government, there's nothing there. Let's all move on. No, the voters don't care about this. They all look really bad too, because of course, people do really care about this. But as I'm sure you, you'd agree, Rob, if, if the claim here is that this is a guy who was connected to intelligence agencies, was connected to powerful oligarchs, was connected to a network of billionaires and in fact, within this network of billionaires seems to at least be the one kind of bullying other billionaires around a guy like this and then in a maximum security prison, the cameras go out and he ends up dead and there's this whole thing. If this network was powerful enough to orchestrate this whole thing, I'm pretty sure they were powerful enough to get the really sensitive documents out before. You know what I mean? Or have them redacted or have them, you know, like, so there's just, I, like, I don't, I think the expectation that like the smoking gun. Smoking gun. Smoking gun document is going to be in any of these dumps is, is kind of silly. And I think me and you both said this like at least a year ago, but for the Trump administration, to run on. We're going to get to the bottom of this. Full transparency. And then just the way this has been done where. Where these guys, like Thomas Massie heroically forces their hand, and then they just dump millions of documents on us without any. You know, it's just. It just couldn't be a worse story for the administration.

A (20:40)

And one of the things that was weirdly kind of my. My big takeaway from the Bannon interview was like. It was that it was like Bannon keeps saying how smart this guy is, and then I'm just not seeing any evidence of it. I just didn't seem that smart in the interview. It was. It seemed like kind of, you know, like a dumb guy pontificating about a lot of things. Like, me. It seemed like me, Rob. Like, it seemed like. It just seemed like a. Like a guy who's kind of like. I don't know, he's. He's doing the whole thing about, like, what is life and what is not life and what is the soul? It's like. And it's like. It sounded to me like a junior in high School, getting high and like, talking about the world. You're like, this ain't that impressive. And like, I don't know, there's something about. It's been a theme, you know, that a lot of us have noticed. There is something about, like, really unimpressive elites are something that categorize this stage in American history. But anyway, that was not that. That's like the most important thing. But I just found that really interesting. Yeah, Steve Bennett keeps, like, kind of sucking his dick about how brilliant he is the whole time. And then like you said, Rob, it's like. It's not. He was saying it almost like he's talking to Carnegie or something like that, where it's like, look, we all know obviously, like, your achievements have just been so. But none of us know your achievement. What are you talking about? Like, what did he actually do? What did he do? So that was interesting. I do. Look, I think there's no question that there's, there's. There's widespread sloppiness with how people are interpreting all of these things. Like, there'll be like, pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with, like a kid, but it's like blacked out. But you could see the arm is clearly like a child. But then it's like, that's all like, we have no idea. It's like, is. Is the implication that then he went and did something to this kid? Or could this have just been like his friend's kid or something? You know, like, we just have idea. And even the thing with Bill Gates, it was weird. There's no. Bill Gates didn't admit to anything. It's. Jeffrey Epstein wrote an email to Bill Gates, which I think he didn't send. I think it was a draft of an email to Bill Gates saying, like, reminding him about the time that he needed to secretly give his wife antibiotics because he brought her home an std.

A (23:02)

Well, well, the reason why that one was one of the most interesting ones though is because, look, the, the, the. There's like several different layers to the Epstein scandal. And what we've gotten a lot more evidence. There was always a ton of evidence about his connections to very, like Mossad linked or Israel linked people. I mean, you know, just Lane Maxwell was his chick or father, you know, was like very involved in all that. So we always had that. Then we've gotten through other email dumps, like direct connections to Mossad. Right. So you've got like that connection kind of pretty solid. And then the, the pedophile stuff, it's like, well he was, you know, he was convicted of this. Like you've got that down. But then it was like the blackmail aspect is what we've always just what most people just presumed would be the next thing that made this all make sense. It's like, well you're having these parties, you got cameras in your house, you got like why else would you be doing this other than to blackmail people? But the blackmail is that area is probably the one we have the least evidence of. And so it, there was something very interesting. Even if he never sent the email and it was just in a draft, there's something very interesting about the fact that like that was clearly a blackmail ish type of email to send. There's no reason why you're emailing someone, putting it in writing. Hey, remember that time when the most devastating thing that you would never want to come out happened? And I know about it, like the only reason to be writing it that way is to be, you know, trying to control somebody. So, so look, it's like again, a lot of these things aren't exactly clear. But also like if we, you know, just imagine we had a media in this country. Like imagine we had like real networks with real journalists and real news. You would think man, Bill Gates is going to have to answer a lot of questions about this. But we don't really have that. We got a few great people doing independent work and then we got a big, you know, propaganda state media apparatus that isn't interested in any of that stuff. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, a new sponsor sponsor who we're very happy to have on board. And that is Van Man. Do you think that Dr. Squatch is some small wholesome company? Burt's Bees native? Think again. They've all been bought out by mega corporations and private equity firms who hijack these beloved brands and fill them with the same corporate slop as everyone else. But one company is doing things differently. The Van man company. They started the tallow trend a few years back with their grass fed tallow moisturizers. And they've been crushing it ever since with hit after hit of clean, nearly edible solutions to your everyday products. Tallow is the best moisturizer on earth because the fatty acids in tallow are nearly identical to the oils in your own skin. One use and you'll feel the difference. Your skin will be softer and smoother than anything you've gotten from a bottle full of chemicals and fillers. And because there's no filler garbage, a little goes a long way. The stuff actually lasts. Their tallow bomb isn't just a moisturizer, though. It can replace your lotion, night cream, wrinkle cream, even Neosporin and diaper balm. So if you're ready to ditch the corporate chemicals, go to Vanman Shop Dave and use the promo code Dave for 15 off your first order. That's Vanman Shop Dave, promo code Dave for 15 off your first order. Van man. Real ingredients, no exceptions. All right, let's get back into the show. So, you know, I don't know, I guess another detail that is interesting because you had mentioned, you know, the. The documents that they're still withholding. You know, Thomas Massie is furious this. And he has been out there saying that they're absolutely in violation of the law, that they got passed, and that the law very clearly states that they had to turn over all this stuff. I mean, all this stuff was behind deadline. They were supposed to have turned this over a long time ago, and they're still holding documents back. So, I mean, just, again, you tell me how this doesn't just look terrible for the Trump administration. You guys ran on releasing all of this stuff, then tried to pivot and back away and pretend like none of it existed, and it's a big democratic hoax, then you're not even really releasing all the information when it comes down to it. So. Yeah, not good.

A (39:30)

All right, what do you do again, I'm sorry. It's just impossible not to keep just breaking up because he's just such a propagandist, man, and, like, people should not fall for this shit. You've got to be smart enough to not fall for this. Like, this is. It's like the lowest iq, dumb partisan bullshit. And the Biden administration didn't do anything. Yeah, dude, that's why we don't like them. That doesn't. That doesn't justify you doing the exact same thing. The exact same thing. Yes, dude, that's right. The Biden administration didn't do shit about it. Neither did the Trump administration before that, which was the Trump administration. Is the administration in control when Epstein got killed? Maybe. I don't know. But to sit here and go, oh, just try to pull you back into the, like, no, Biden's the bad guys. Yeah, dude, but then you guys promised that you were going to get to the bottom of it and then lied through your fucking teeth to all of us. And we're kind of mad about that part. This show is sponsored by Better Help Guys. As I've told you before, I have really benefited from therapy in the past. I think sometimes when you're not in therapy, you're talking too much to strangers or you're Working things out in group chats or you're reading stuff online. But nothing beats actually sitting down and talking about your issues with a real licensed professional. And if you're thinking about doing that, if you're on the fence, consider BetterHelp, because it's the easiest way to do it. It's entirely online. It's designed to be flexible. It really is therapy for 2026. All you got to do is go to the website, you fill out a brief questionnaire, and they match you with a licensed professional therapist. And you can switch therapists at any time for no additional cost. Find the one with better help. And right now, if you want to start up, we'll sweeten it a little by giving you 10% off your first month when you go to betterhelp.com problem. That's B E T T E R h e l p.com problem. All right, let's get back into the show.

A (42:19)

No, I think we nailed what the issue was with this. I mean, you know, to sit here and go, you guys, literally. Pam Bondi gave out fucking empty binders to a bunch of influencers and claimed the files had been released. Then we found out those weren't the files at all. Then you turned around and pivoted to it doesn't exist. There's no such thing. The media just made a bit. Yeah, obviously the media is looking for any excuse to damage the Trump administration. Look, dude, by the way, I haven't told you this. Rob, I don't think I've told anyone this. I've had, over the last month, I've had, like, a bunch of mainstream media outlets reaching out for to fucking interview me. Like Washington Post, Vanity Fair, a bunch of them. I've said no to all of them because I know what they're doing. They just, they're just trying to use me to hurt the administration. They're trying to go, oh, Dave Smith, former Trump supporter, now splits with them over this. We all get the game that they are playing. And like, as much as I hate the Trump administration, I hate these guys just as much. So like, no, I'm not, I don't feel like. I also said to him, you know, I was thinking about doing the thing like where you write something real fucking, you know, some legendary response. But like, I feel like enough people have already done that to like post on, on Twitter. Like here was my response to the Washington Post or something. It's like, that's kind of been done. But I said to both of them, I went, I just did a podcast on this. If you want to quote me, go watch the podcast and you can pull a quote out from that. Like, why do you need to. Why do I need to take time out of my day to job? But I know what they're doing. And so like, yeah, obviously the corporate media was trying to hurt the administration, but they jumped on this one because it was a huge fucking own goal because there was a huge scandal there and your base was against you on it, as you've found out. This is why you're crashing out on your own chat right now. This is your own chat of your own show. These are. Your people are upset about this. And so who gives a shit what the Biden administration did or what the media did? We've already decided we hate them a long time ago. Some of us, long before you did Dan Bongino. Some of us figured it out while you were still trying to protect them, literally. This is, by the way, this is Dan Bongino's career, just objectively speaking. It's protecting war criminals and protecting pedophiles. That's what Dan Bongino's legacy will be. But. But so what, dude, this is all just fucking the emptiest of cope. Like, what does any of this mean? So in other words, he's got no answers on any of this shit. He's got nothing to say. He lied through his teeth and he's hoping you'll all forget it. That's it.

A (46:00)

Seems very reasonable. Reasonable guess. I mean, you know, it's either that or other people that he didn't want that he wanted to protect. It's really the only option. And you know, again, this is all. It's just so. Come on. I mean, I just, I don't know. Like, I understand that. Like, I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I know that lots of people aren't the smartest people. But like, come on, we're not this dumb that you're gonna sit here and say, yeah, obviously if you were trying to release all of the Epstein stuff, there would be some tough calls. Okay, here's him with a, you know, an underage girl who's a victim. Okay, well, we got to black out her face. We don't want to. You know what I mean? Like, okay, there'd be issues like that, but you can't use that as a defense when you were saying the files don't exist, it's a democratic hoax. You weren't trying to figure out how do we get the maximum amount of information out to the people, you know what I mean? Like, it's just. That's a completely different thing. And if you had actually, if it had been very clear that they were making a real effort to get as much information out to the people and really help them understand what went down here and what. And then they went, look, we just can't release the, the kiddie porn or something like that. Yeah, people would think that's reasonable. The problem is that you lied and you tried to pretend it didn't exist. And also, why on earth. Okay, so those are tough calls. You're not going to please everybody. Right. Okay, Fair enough. Let's make this really, really simple. You, Dan Bongino and Cash Patel both claimed that he killed himself, and you had seen the proof that he killed himself. Why not release that? Like, what. What is the conflict there? Who's going to be unhappy about that? Who will that damage? Who will that? What. How would it possibly hurt anything? National security, you know, abusing victims? Like, what would possibly be the issue with releasing the proof, the very real proof that you saw and didn't at all make the fuck up that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Because, by the way, I don't know. Like, maybe he did. But I'm not trusting you. And that's essentially what both of you asked us to do. Trust me. Trust me. Cash Patel says, trust me. If there was any information, I would be the first one to bring it to you. And then we find out there's a ton of information that he was not the first one to bring to us. So we're still supposed to just trust you, bro. On the. He killed himself. Because that's quite a thing. After all the shit you talked on your podcast. That's quite a thing to then just go and say you've seen this proof and not be able to deliver anything on. And by the way, Dan Bongino's answer to this, he doesn't have one. That's why he's blocking all of you guys on Twitter. That's why when he responds to me, he'll only say, like, get your shine box or I'll check in on your kids, or whatever weird he was trying to intimidate me with. That's because he has no answer for this most basic of questions. And this is why I said on the episode we did that, obviously, there's no way he'll agree to debate me because what, that. That's the first 10 seconds of the debate right there. And what's his answer? He doesn't have one because he's lying. It's really that simple.

A (49:32)

Right? Right. It's. It's really something. Anyway, he's out there bragging about having real big numbers on for his stream. He certainly did have big numbers on this one. I'll be very interested to see how this plays out, though, How. How this Goes, I don't see how he can keep this up. Like, this is all he's got. And refusing, refusing to talk to anybody who disagrees with it, like, is obviously he's not going to talk to me, but, like, what do you talk. I mean, I'm happy to do it if he is. My offer stands, shine box and all. But what it's like the majority of the fucking base who are like, want the Epstein files out and are furious about the way they were covered up. He's going to try to do this without ever addressing it. Good luck. I don't know, Rob. I. That, that seems. That seems tough to me. Okay, let's. Well, let's see here, because there's a couple other things that we really should talk about. Well, I guess I want to, if we have time, I guess quickly talk about Iran and then Don Lemon, I wanted to make sure I got both of these in. So let's do the Iran thing first, because I don't know if you've even noticed it's kind of being overshadowed by the ICE Border Patrol Don Lemon situation. And then the Epstein files. They've both been like, such big stories that it's almost like the war propaganda that's getting built up, seems to be kind of built up in, almost quietly. But I don't know if you've seen, Rob, but there's all types of claims now being made by war hawks online that Iran has killed, like tens of thousands of. Of protesters. I saw the number 30,000 being floated out a lot. I saw the other day. I was very surprised. Mike Cernovich tweeted, I've done my homework, and it's at least 30,000, which I would love for him to share his homework with us because I don't see any evidence of this at all. And in fact, the CIA and the Wall Street Journal, at least I've read the other day, had the number at like 6,000. A few people had even claimed the number was like a hundred thousand or something like that. I saw there was one, I guess. I don't know if you saw this, but I was in a Twitter controversy. You know, I'm like, it's. It's like a weird thing where, like every time I tweet now it's like trending and it's a controversy. So I just, I can't pay attention to all of them. But some woman had some. Some woman said to me that Iran has killed more people than Israel killed in Gaza in just the last week. And I responded by saying, ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Like, I just laughed. And then I guess the controversy was they were like, dave Smith is laughing at the slaughter of Iranians. And it's like, no, of course not. I'm laughing at the ridiculous propaganda here. Like, I just. Look, just think about, Rob, what is being alleged here? There's 30, 000 people. You could double check my numbers on this, but, like, I believe, like, the worst massacres in World War II are, like, the estimates are like, around 30,000 people being killed. Like, something like that. So, like, what people are, they're, they're, they are claiming that one of the worst massacres in human history has just happened in Iran, and yet we have no evidence of this. No evidence. Now, I understand they turned the Internet out for a few days and stuff, but, Rob, you've seen tons of images out of Iran. I've seen tons of images out of Iran. Like, what are, what are you alleging happened here? And you notice, like, none of them get into that. Like, are you telling me they started carpet bombing Tehran? But how, how do you come up with these numbers in such a short period of time? It just does not seem right to me. Like, I, I don't know. And like, what exactly is being alleged? Are you alleging that they, like, they took peaceful protesters, what lined them up and just started executing them, or are you claiming that there were, like, clashes that broke out and people died in these clashes? Like, what exactly? I've seen one image, one image with, like, some body bags, I guess dozens, maybe in, in this one image, but it's completely unclear what happened here. So, like, I, I don't know. It's. And look, Rob, of course, it just seems pretty obvious that, like, well, this is awfully coincidental that, like, right after Donald Trump said his red line, as if he started shooting protesters, that now all types of claims from very reliable NGOs that are funded by the National Endowment for Democracy are claiming that thousands of people are being killed. Meanwhile, we're not, Not a shred of evidence has been produced to back up anything like the scale of numbers that these people are claiming. Now. Then again, it. Maybe they're doing it. I'm not saying. My whole thing here is, like I said at the beginning of the show, governments are criminal. And like, I'm not saying, oh, I'm not saying like, the, the ayatollah or the mullahs would never do something like this. I'm just saying I know how much the war party lies about this, and it just seems like Almost impossible to believe. Like, I just don't even know how people could just say numbers like this. It's like, have you guys not, like, have you just not read about wars before? Like, these numbers just don't make sense. It's a hundred thousand people. Like, how is this even possible? And I think the answer is it's not. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Vandy Crisps. You know, I've heard a lot of great feedback about Vandy Crisps since they've been joining. I love them. I've been eating them all the time. And I've heard a lot from people who listen to the show that they enjoy them too. 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A (58:34)

Hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands in the, in the high. Hundreds of thousands, for sure. At least half a million. Listen, half a million, dude, half a million in, in Syria, probably in the hundreds of thousands in Libya, a million in Iraq, probably over a million. Hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan. I mean, the, the idea that US Foreign policy is just motivated by, like, people are being killed and therefore we have to go stop the killing when we're the biggest killers, we kill in bigger numbers than any of them. It's just too ridiculous. It's too ridiculous. The idea. Look, I, I tweeted this the other day, but the idea if, if anybody ever told you, like, if you ever, in the wild, just met someone, maybe like in your mom's, you know, like a friend of your mom's, and she Just said something about how she believed that the government makes decisions based on what's in the best interest of the people of the United States of America. You, you'd kind of be like, oh, that's adorable. That's adorable that someone still has that naive view, you know? Now imagine someone believed that our government made decisions based on what's in the best interest of the Iranian people. Just give me a fucking break, ok? That's not what any of this is about. And we know this. And that's one of the things about the Iran thing that's just so infuriating because they're always trying to just gaslight us. This is about regime change on behalf of Israel. And everybody paying attention knows that. Everybody, including the ones who are for it. It. In fact, they're the ones who know that the best. That's why Lindsey Graham is for it. That's why Mark Levin is for it. They have no, they won't admit that, but we all know it's the case. Look, just because we're up against the end of time, I do just briefly want to talk about the Don Lemon thing. I talked about this a bit on, on Piers Morgan's show too, but I did just want to say that so it for you guys who didn't see, in fact, I think we might have talked about it on the show, the Don Lemon church incident, but he's, he's been arrested and evidently is being charged with a felony for that as well. Now Don Lemon is the dumbest human being on the planet. I don't know. He's up there. It's remarkable. I said on Piers Morgan today that, like, if Don Lemon just like gets a thought out, I feel it does. It feels similar to like when my 4 year old like will say a complex sentence, you know, like, he'll just say like a complex thing that had like three different thoughts about like my wife took him to a birthday party the other day and my four year old came up to me right before he left and he said, I know you're gonna miss me, daddy. I'll miss you too. Don't worry, I'll come right back because we're best buds, sweetie. And it was, but it was just such a. You're like, hey, good job, dude. That was a nice little paragraph that you. That's how I feel about Don Lemon when he makes a point, like, no matter how dumb it is, if he gets the talking point out, you're like, very good, Don. That was excellent. Now look, obviously Don Lemon is not a Journalist has never been a journalist. He wasn't being a journalist in the church there. He was being an idiot activist. He wasn't interviewing the people and asking them why they're going. He's trying to grill the priest who made him look like an idiot. But I just. I guess much like with the Jimmy Kimmel thing, much like with the Ice in Minneapolis thing, it's just like, dude, the Trump administration and the Trump supporters, they're so bad at strategy. They're so bad at, like, you're like, dude, this guy is just embarrassing himself with a dwindling audience. He's essentially a non factor. He's Sam Harris now. He exists just to be made fun of. He's literally the only thing you ever see out of Don Lemon is when there's a viral video going around. Because Don Lemon. Don Lemon just. Just embarrassed himself again. Like, he just. Oh, he was. Just said the dumbest thing again. He started talking about the First Amendment and clearly has no idea what the First Amendment means, you know, but now he's getting standing ovations at the Oscars. He's fucking gonna be. He's gonna be the guy who has this martyr story. It's just. It's handing a win to your enemy as they're drowning in el's. It's not smart.