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Listen, it's clearly a nonsense distraction, but I'm going to be honest, it annoyed me. Listen, I'm used to not liking the halftime show. I'm an old man, so I like those years when they brought on the who and the Stones and the classic rock guys. And most years when they have the modern day R and B people, I don't know who they are. And I get to sit there and judge it and be like, why does anyone like Lady Gaga? Why is this in the Super Bowl? But there was something that really irked me about, firstly, I think Spanish music is the worst genre of music. I listen to a pretty wide range of stuff. I used to be in Washington, Gasolina. I used to hate the sounds of that. And then the fact that there wasn't one word of English during the Super Bowl. It's not even good music. But it was just, it was, I don't know, there was something that I, I, I agree.
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No, listen, I, I agree. Like, there's a reason why people fall into these distraction issues because they're, they're like catnip. Like, they are just. And look, and I'm also with you. It's crazy. It's disrespectful. It's weird. You know, there's this weird thing and I didn't really watch, like, I saw A couple, like, other commercials on, you know, on. On Twitter or whatever. But. But I've talked about this for the last few years. There's this very weird theme with, like, super bowl commercials. It's true. Just with kind of like big corporate entertainment in general. But. But it's almost like everything is divided into, like, over the top woke insanity or over the top nostalgia. Like everything. Everything is either some crazy, you know, like. Right. Like we're going to do a Super bowl show that's not in English, with like 17 different flags of different countries, and you're like, we're. We're going to so shove it in your face that there is no such thing as America anymore. Like, in some way. Or you could watch a commercial with like, Will Smith and George Castanza while they talk about Ben Affleck's. And you can, like, it's. It's this weird thing where, like, for one group, we'll give you the crazy woke, and for the other group, you get to remember a time when your country wasn't insane. Like, remember. Remember back when it used to be the way you wanted it to be? And it does. I don't know. I'm. I'm not like alleging any conspiracy or something exactly with that element of it, but it does seem like it's almost just intentionally designed to provoke, to like, provoke a response. And I will say that, you see. Well, I guess I would just say that there. It seems to me that a lot of, like, commentators, a lot of people in podcasters and things like that, who are the ones who are kind of on board with the agenda of the regime, you know, like the ones who support a war in Iran, the ones who support the strikes in Venezuela, the ones who support Trump blindly. They love jumping on these stories, you know what I mean? Because it seems like it serves well.
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Because you don't have to talk about Iran, that he's not doing deportations, that he doesn't want to look into the Epstein files, that the economy is not doing as well as he claims. So these are the great issues.
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Yeah, it's a way that guys like, you know, Benny Johnson or someone like that can, like, rally conservatives to get behind him. Because I'm gonna really take my gloves off with this goddamn Spanish guy singing music and I've got, you know, like, it, like, and. And then it's like, all right, dude. But I don't know, like, we just. We just got the Epstein files. So, like, isn't that. You know what I'm saying? And then you'll Watch people. It is so funny to me, too, because I've seen, like. Like, I know Ben Shapiro has, like, he's always like, the best example of being the worst, you know, guy. But I know, like, hell state things like. Like, he's had a few videos. A few of them were. Were going viral and not. Look, they didn't age very well. But he's had a few videos where it's like, ah, this Epstein thing's a big distraction. That's his thing. The Epstein thing's a big distraction. People don't really care, you know. I know Douglas Murray wrote a piece about that too. Did people really care about Epstein who care? Like, that's a giant distraction. But, like, let me tell you something. If there's a d address anywhere that's worthy of a whole goddamn show, you know what I'm saying? Like, is. And so it's. It is like a thing where you go, like, wait a minute, hold on. I'm. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be crazy here. I'm looking at the Epstein files. They're painting a picture of, like, a re. How power actually works at the highest level. A crazy degree of shadow diplomacy that's being conducted by this pedophile where he's. I mean, he's the guy who introduces the head of Israeli security to Peter Thiel. Like, that. That's a. That's not a small, low level intro to be making, right? You're getting a glimpse into how power really operates. We're seeing all types of weird protections of very powerful people, seeing all types of weird language that seems to be talking about, like, little kids and really creepy stuff. But that's a distraction. That's a distraction. But, like, the super bowl halftime show is, like, the real issue of substance that we got to spend time on. I just. If nothing else, man, I hope people. I hope people notice that. Start noticing, like, which. Which one of your favorite political commentators really doesn't want to talk about issues of substance and instead wants to downplay those issues and then constantly, you know, like, use the lowest hanging culture war fruit that you can. You know what I mean? That'll. That'll will be an easy win to get their audience over again. Not that me and you may not agree with them. I mean, I think largely speaking, me and you are kind of on Matt Walsh's side of the culture war, you know, like, yeah, I. I don't know. I wish we could just be a normal country, but at the same time, it does seem awfully convenient to Always, like, focus on these things.
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Yeah. Be on the lookout for the influencer who's out there posting videos of pizza reviews that they. With grape soda. I'm not talking Dave Fortnite. I'm just saying when someone starts selling that pizza and grape soda is a typical combo, and you can't really enjoy pizza unless you got your grape soda with it, and they're trying to normalize that. Be on the lookout.
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Well, dude, I mean, I remember this. It was an interesting thing back when, When Pizzagate first became a thing. People don't know. Like, Pizzagate got turned into. In. In the mainstream. Like, like for people. I don't know. In fact, I remember there was one thing. I just saw the video the other day, but there was one thing where, like, someone called into Howard Stern and brought up Pizzagate. And then Howard Stern's like, here, Robert, let me tell you about this guy. And then Howard Stern starts explaining what Pizzagate is from his perspective, which is just like he listened to Morning Joe and repeated what Joe Scarborough told him. And it was what it was. That there's these maniac right wingers out there who somehow, completely baselessly, are claiming that some elite pedophile group like, runs the Democratic Party and that it's all going down out of some random pizzeria. Of course, none of this is true at all. Just wildly unsubstantiated claims. And then a guy actually showed up with a gun to this place and shot a bullet off. And that's how dangerous these crazy. Now, the reality was that John Podesta's emails got leaked and there was. They were permeated with fucking people speaking in code about something. And a bunch of people on the Internet claimed that this was like pedophile code for like, pizza and sodas and all of these hot dogs and all this weird. And then, by the way, like, just for anyone looking at it, I don't know, Rob, I. I think we've talked about this before, but by the way, did you. Anyone ever seen Podesta's art collection? You ever seen the pictures of it? He's literally got. It's like he collects art of children being tortured. It's like drawings of like six year olds, like, chained to, like, radiators and stuff. Like, it's very, very weird, creepy shit. And then they're just talking in code the whole time. So what ended up happening was like, if you had. I remember us talking about this at the time, but like, if you had an honest media, like, if you had journalists, then it would have just been like the obvious. Next question would they would have been like, hey, what did this code mean? Clearly you're talking in code here. These people are assuming you mean you're a pedophile. So I'm assuming that's not what it is. But like, what is it? Because no one just talks about pizza this much. And that's the same thing in the Epstein files. Like. Like to your point, Rob, it's like, dude, Jeffrey Epstein was like, they don't exactly know how much money he was worth, but it's like at le. He was controlling at least like hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. You know, I've never had my hands on that much money. But Rob, like, if you were coming over to my house and I was going to get pizza and grape soda, I would just order it. I wouldn't need to send you a whole bunch of emails about it. Like, I'd just order some pizza and grape soda and that'd be that. Also, I mean, I haven't drank grape soda in probably 30 years. But regardless, it's like they're saying these things over and over again. It's clearly a code for something. And the fact that it's being said to Jeffrey Epstein, like, I'm sorry, you're not a kook for looking at that and going, hey, that's. We need to get to the bottom of this. Like that. It's not like now, I'm sure there are some people with some kooky tendencies who will immediately draw wild conclusions that, okay, we don't exactly have problems. Proof for that. But I don't know, Rob. Like, I'm. I'm look around and I see some of these. I saw Alex Berenson going out, just, you know, embarrassing himself as. As he's been doing for basically since COVID before and after Covid. But he's going. He's going, this is a big nothing burger. There's no evidence. There's no actionable evidence of. Of like, rape or murder of children. I'm like, all right, fine, fine. I'm not suggesting that I've seen anything yet in these files where you could say, oh, that's enough to get a conviction of somebody. But again, it's like, dude, you'd be. It is so much more. At least to me, it makes you so much more of a kook to look at what we have here and go, eh, nothing to see here because we don't have a smoking gun. Then to look at that and go, dude, wait a minute. You're Telling me they use the same coded language that that Podesta guy is using. But with Jeffrey Epstein convicted of soliciting sex from underage girls, Jeffrey Epstein, like, that isn't interesting to you? It's not interesting to you that the. I don't know, Rob. A bunch of different shit has come out since then. That the. The Justice Department issued a notice about his death. The. He died. That seems a little bit strange. Like, there's. I mean, I don't know, there's tons of things. What is the. I'm trying to think. What was the. The other one that I just looked at today? Because I, you know, I've been doing a little bit of a deep dive into these, and it's not, you know, you can. The thing about it is, is, like, you can. You can do the research yourself now. It's a little bit tricky because there's so many goddamn documents. But, like, when there are documents, you can verify it. It's on the. The Justice Department's website. And this one, I did go and check, but. So this is. This is like a great example of the type of. That's going on in these. These Epstein files. Now, again, there's a kernel of truth to what Alex Baronson's saying here, Right. Like, yeah, we don't have enough information to arrest someone and go to court over this. But, like, this is one of one document. Okay. An email to Jeffrey Epstein. Thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was a little naughty. Sent from. Redacted. So they're redacting the guy who says to Epstein, we just had a great party. And your littlest girl was very naughty to a convicted person who rapes underage girls. But we redact the name of the person who sent that. We'd rather make sure that guy is not embarrassed than.
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I don't even know who it is. I don't even know why it's legal for them to redact the names of people in emails. I would have thought it was just anything related to victims. So it would be interesting because there are some very suspicious emails with whoever sent the email being redacted.
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Yeah.
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So hopefully that that gets cleaned up.
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Yeah, I mean, there's. It's, you know, I'm just saying, like, to look at something like that. And this is where, like, people, like, people really abuse logic in this way. Because it is true that, hey, we don't even have the name of someone, let alone that. And who knows what he means by your littlest girl or something. Like, you know what I Mean, like, that's not proof that the littlest girl was under 18 or we don't exactly know. But at the same time, how do you look at something like that and not go, well, I goddamn demand that you unredact that name. Not. Let's all move on. You didn't get your smoking gun here. It's like, this is. This. Is. This Epstein thing has become like a fucking honesty test. Like, are you full of shit or not? Do you actually want to get down to the truth? Do you really want to know what. Everything that's been indicated from these files that have been released, Rob, is essentially confirming that. Oh, dude, this. This thing that Epstein was. Was running was bigger and darker and more connected and more powerful than. Than you even thought before. Those have been the biggest takeaways. Like, I'm. I. I don't. I don't know about you, Rob, but I haven't looked at this at all and been like, well, all right, maybe some of us got out over our skis a little bit. Maybe people wanted this to be a little bit more salacious than it was. Quite the opposite. I'm blown away by how. How high up to the top this guy was. Like, I always thought I thought of Jeffrey Epstein as more of a regional player and not, like a big dog. I also, I guess, was a little bit surprised that he was an overt Jewish supremacist. That did. That caught me. That caught me off guard a little bit. I really. It was almost like a. I mean, I don't know, Rob. Like, you know, I know because I've, you know, I've. I've read a bunch on, like, is the Israel Palestine conflict and stuff like that. And I know there are, like, There's. There's a. There is Jewish supremacy. That's a real thing. Every group's got their supremacists, so why wouldn't Jews have theirs, too? But I was surprised that a guy like Jeffrey Epstein was that involved in it. I never really. I don't know about you, Rob, but, like, growing up being Jewish, I never really encountered that. Like, I never really encountered Jews who, like, you know, like, really, like, like, said the word goy, as in, like, you are lower and less human than the rest of us. Like, I'm not saying, like, I've definitely met Jews who, like, had a little bit of their own, you know, pride in being Jewish and felt like, yeah, Jews are awesome, and stuff like that, but I don't know, I didn't really see that level of it. Whereas, like, Epstein Seems to really have a like, yo, these, yeah, we're this, this world is for us and these going are made to serve us type attitude.
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Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it is basically there was that great Larry David joke where he finds out in a curb that he's not Jewish. And then he does like the montage where he's wearing the backwards hat and he's now he's wearing the shirts like me and he's drinking beers. So I've heard like a handful of times like as like a joke, like that's kind of goy behavior. But like never. I'm talking a handful of times in my life and never with like a real can. You know what I mean? Like in a joking way.
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Yeah, yeah. No, I've heard things like from in my, like my father's generation, I knew Jewish people who had this thing of like, like, hey, if you can hire a Jew, you always try to hire a Jew. If you can do business with a Jew, you always try to do that. But it was more of a thing of like being like, because we've been over so much that we got to help each other out. And that's kind of a little bit more typical within, like minorities have that attitude sometimes. But this with Jeffrey Epstein is like next level supremacy. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot supply. The world is getting more unstable and chaotic every day. It seems like everywhere you look, there's another crisis, A controversy, a conflict or a catastrophe. Now, you can't control what happens out there, but you control how you prepare for it. You can make sure that no matter what happens, you have the basics covered in case one of these disasters reaches your doorstep. Things like having enough food to eat when the shelves are empty. And when it comes to my family's food security, I trust my patriot supply. They've helped millions of Americans get prepared and they have over 90,000 five star reviews right now. You can get their best selling three month emergency food supply kits for $100 off. My patriot supply almost never offers a deal like this. So take advantage of it right now by going to my site, preparelike Dave.com. the food gives you 2,000 calories a day. It lasts up to 25 years. And best of all, it's $100 off for a limited time. Go to preparelike Dave.com to get yours right now. That's preparelikedave.com. all right, let's get back into the.
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Show on The Jews hiring Jews thing, part of that's just there's like. There's like a social contract that if you're hiring someone from the synagogue, he's not going to dick you over because you're in the same community. It's actually something that like, other people and cultures can almost learn because, you know what I mean? There's just like a social cohesion of, oh, if this guy doesn't. If this guy, you know, dicks me out, then he can't back show back up to synagogue. There's going to be some social repercussions for it. And there's almost something positive about that that I think more of the general culture could. Could tap into.
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This is so many years ago. I might get this reference wrong, but I think I read. I think it was Nicholas Wade who wrote about this. But he. Nicholas Wade was like the. He was the science editor at the New York Times for many years, and he worked at Nature and like, you know, he's a big, like, at the, like, top scientific journal journals, and he wrote. I don't know if this is real or not, but I'm pretty sure it was from Nicholas Wade that he. Basically, his theory of, like, evolutionary development of religion is that that's why religion exists. Like, exactly what you're saying. That basically the idea of it was that it was like religion like, like blew up because it was like this great facilitator of trade where like, typically people wouldn't with each other. Like, if you were in a different clan, it was too risky. But, like, if you guys worship the same God, that would kind of be. No. So I think to your point. That's right. I mean, also, I'm talking about my dad's generation. These were like Brooklyn Jews from, you know, like the 1940s and 50s. They. A lot of them probably came out of the same neighborhoods. So, like, even if it's not the synagogue, it's just like, oh, he's from the neighborhood. You kind of at least have like some connection. He's not gonna me over because, like, his aunt knows my cousins and we all. You know what I mean? Like, so anyway, that's much different than what we've seen here. So. Okay, so before.
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Before I move on, I just want to pull like, I got the shell this weekend, Friday night, and then this weekend you and I are in Perryville, Maryland, back at that fantastic Fifth Company brewery.
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That's right. We got some fun stuff coming up. I'm looking forward to that. Okay, so let's. There's a couple. The one other point that I just wanted to make here is that what I do think, And I think 2026 has already been filled with a lot of things like this, but I think in a lot of way, the Venezuela thing, I think the ICE thing, and really with the Epstein case thing, it is. This is a great moment for everybody to take stock of who's who. Like, who. Who is, like, thrilled that this information's coming out and who would rather like it all not be out so we can just talk about bombing around more or something like that. Who is, like, who is actually, like, opposing Thomas Massey, like, which is. It's just so crazy to me that it's like, who could be. Again, look at all. At the very least, Rob, there was a whole lot of information they were sitting on, dude, that they did not want to let out. Why the hell should we not get this information? And if you're. If you're like. If you're actively against this information coming out, then you're the enemy of the people, you know, like, isn't that fairly obvious? But anyway, so just take note. I would just ask people take note of that, of who's who. Now, one of the things that's very interesting is that Thomas Massie has really taken a lot of daggers over. Over putting himself in this position and really made himself an enemy of the regime in a way that he never was before. I mean, he has been an enemy, but this is a whole different level. You know, it's like demanding a vote on a spending bill is great, but demanding the release of, you know, the Epstein files is going to piss a lot more people off. But he is really not relenting. I find this to be a very interesting story because he's furious that they've totally violated the law here and kept so much information back. He was in an interview the other day. Now today, he's tweeted that today he is going to the Justice Department to review the unredacted files. So, like, theoretically, and I'm sure Thomas Massie has been doing his homework here and has other people as a team of people around him, but, like, he could go see that email we just mentioned and see, hey, who's that from? That's pretty interesting. Like, maybe it's a household name, maybe not, but, like, maybe. Oh. So we'll see what comes of that. Let's. Here, let's play the. The Thomas Massey clips, because we got a couple clips from his interview yesterday.
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I'm ready to do that. If the victims Want me to. They believe that the best way to get justice is to force the DOJ to release these names. I've already read one name in a committee with. With the FBI director there. That's Jess Staley. And again, he may or may not be guilty, but he's been accused by these victims. That the lawyer tells me. And there are other names. I don't have them in my possession, but if the victims want to give them to me, I've expressed that. I'm willing to do that. But again, the best way is to force the DOJ to release those names on those 302 forms. I'm ready to do that if the.
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So that's okay. So that's the first clip, and he's doubled down on this a few times where Thomas Massey is now saying, like. And look, just to be clear here, right, what the Justice Department is alleging, and of course, what Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi have all said now after telling the truth for a while, is that there are no co conspirators. Nobody else did anything with an underage girl or anything else with, like, a, you know, a girl could have been over age, but was being held there against her will or was like, you know, they were violent with her. Their claim is zero. Nothing. None of that happened. We have no evidence to support any of that. Meanwhile, what they've already released so far is, like, he certainly was partying with a lot of people. A whole lot of people are talking about how wild that party was. People are talking about having withdrawals from Epstein parties. People are going, oh, my God, you're the craziest guy ever. And the worst thing is I can't tell anyone about any of it. All types of coded language. And a whole bunch of the victims have alleged that, no, it wasn't just Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, that there were other men, that Jeffrey was getting the women for them. And it seems pretty clear that that was Jeffrey Epstein's thing, right? He was the guy who could bring the fucking party to you. He was, you know, like, there's. It's a service that he was providing. There's a lot of these guys who've got a lot of money, but fucking, they can't get chicks like that necessarily. And he would be the guy who got them that. Okay, so what. What essentially here, what Massey is saying, right, is that you guys are claiming nobody else victimized women, but we all know that's bullshit. So, like, the best way to do this is for you Guys, to release the information that you have that you're still holding on to, but if you don't, because I'm just going to bring the names of everybody who these victims are accusing. It's an interesting play by Massie. What do you think about it, Rob?
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Well, I guess it's interesting also that in terms of trying to push for transparency and to not just let this issue get brushed under the rug, the release of the emails that we've had so far is just round one. And this is because of Thomas Massie's efforts. I think the general public has not seen what's in there and just gone, all right, we were wrong. We were just spinning too many tails. I think, if anything, there's more questions than answers and more of a demand for actually digging in and investigating this and cleaning it up. And so good for Thomas Massie that he's actually interested and he's. He's pressing this. This was round one. It's not now. If you want to take a bet on whether or not anyone else is going to be held accountable, you know, a couple people already had to step down in the UK for essentially insider trading that they gave information to Epstein that they otherwise shouldn't have. But this issue's not disappearing from the general public. And so the fact that Thomas Massie's staying on it and he's finding new ways to apply pressure and potentially unearth information that is very damning, all sounds very promising. And the fact that there's still 3 million emails to go, and all of these names in these emails being, in my opinion, improperly redacted, there's still a lot that's not even the government actually doing an investigation and looking to hold people accountable that the Internet can still unsleuth and kind of apply pressure on these people for.
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I not sure about that one.
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A
Huh? What's that?
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I'm not sure about that one.
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Well, why not?
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Because I was listening to Scott Horton's podcast on this. Darrell Cooper said it. I plugged it into Twitter grok to see if that was accurate. And at least what it spit back was that there was a lady. A lady had won the lottery and created a trust that it paid out to that happened to have the same. No of like Zorro Ranch or Ranch Enterprises. And that it was maybe just a coincidence that that lady had picked that name but that it wasn't actually paid out to Epstein. Oh, interesting to reiterate. I'm not sure. So yeah, I have seen is that.
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It was drunk in the air.
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Yeah, honest, I was drunk in the airport. I heard and I looked it up.
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Well, there's there, there were two different occasions and I think one of them there was like a trust that he owned part of. But okay, look, and I'M open to this, like, whether that's incorrect or something like that. But, like, can we get to the bottom of that? Because that's pretty fucking interesting if it's true. Like, and. And you were saying, and it was something like, it was like an $80 million win, and then his company took like $30 million of it or something like that on one of them. But it's like, like, whoa, wait a minute. That if that's right, that's not a coincidence, dude. Right. So, like, I'm just saying, like, there is. It is true that someone like Alex Baronson could look at that and say, oh, we don't have proof of it. But you're like, yeah, but come on, dude. Like, don't you want to know? Isn't that, like, the whole game of being a journalist or talking about the news or any of this, isn't it all predicated on the, like, you want to know, right? Like, I don't know. That's part of, like, why I find all this stuff so fascinating. It's part of why I do this for a living. Like, it's like, I don't know. Don't you just want to know, like, what really happened with Nixon? You want to know, right? What really happened on 911 or with JFK, you know, don't you want to know? And then here you are. We have this just kind of like this bombshell that like, totally, like. Like I said, almost like an introduction into how this world actually works. And then you have people who claim to be journalists who are actively trying to get you to not figure this out. That's really says something about who can work at the New York Times, you know, like, it's just unbelievable, dude. That. And that's their instinct when something like this happens. Discredit, cover it up, move on, move back to the issue that you want, you know, whatever. The Iranians are murdering people in the streets. We need another war over there. Something. I don't know. Anyway, I find this all to be very, very fascinating.
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B
Yeah. I think anyone that's trying to say, hey, let's move on from this, or we can't possibly find out the facts, or we can't possibly find out the storyline is clearly, for some reason invested in not unearthing the truth. And with the amount of information that's come out, it clearly doesn't just go, hey, this was just made up.
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A
Yeah, yeah, that's right. If you guys want to put questions, and I'm interested in the live chat, if you guys want to ask questions or give comments on any of this stuff.
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B
Incredible that if Massey wasn't in Congress, we probably wouldn't even have this information. And they probably could have successfully have just completely suppressed the story. Isn't that just wild to think about? I mean, I guess Rokahan is working on it also. Maybe I just see more of the Massey content. But without the two of them, the entire rest of the government was essentially on board with, hey, let's move on from this.
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A
Yeah, no, that's right. And, and they're, you know, the, essentially what Cash Patel and them were saying, they just would have kept saying it. Just saying, there are no files, there is no thing. There's nothing for you to see here, nothing of interest at all. And, you know, that's. At the very least, dude, if nothing else, what this is, what this is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that there are, there are people like Jeffrey Epstein who get connected into kind of like these financial, like, crime outlets where they actually have tremendous leverage over governments and financial institutions and conduct diplomacy at the highest level and party with each other. And the fact that he was convicted of raping underage girls didn't stop anyone from wanting to fuck with them. Like, it wasn't even kind of like, oh, yeah, man, this guy's image has really been sullied. People aren't going to do business with him anymore. It was like, no problem. Oh, just keep working. That in itself, that alone, it's a pretty big scandal. But, man, there is a lot more. There's a lot more ifs and maybes connected to it than that. And yeah, anyway, we will, I guess we will see where, where, where this goes from here. Obviously there's still just. With the dump that we've already had, there's, there's, you know, people are going to be finding new stuff in these because millions of, of documents or images, whatever, and so, you know, there's going to be a lot of stuff like this. What was the other. There was one other one. One other email, Rob, where they said it was something like they had. It was another creepy comment. And then with like, not a, like a, with a image on it, but you can't click on the image. Like it's not a live link. And, and the sender is redacted too. And it's like a real creepy thing. You're like, okay, but like, why, why would you be doing this? This makes no sense whatsoever. It's like, and, and you went through this and went, what? This is national security. We can't know who this is or what you're, you're protecting a victim. This isn't a victim here. Right. So, so what are you saying? That you didn't want to embarrass some guy? I think we're at the point, like, let's embarrass some guys. Let's, let's embarrass the people who were like, like emailing sexual stuff to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm okay with that trade off. They can be embarrassed for us to maybe get to the bottom of some of this. I would, I would accept that deal. All right. The other, the other kind of interesting angle on this involves the Ghislaine Maxwell pleading the Fifth in her, when, when she was being questioned by Congress. And then of course the Clintons, which I guess have been arguing about the manner in which they're going to be, uh, uh, deposed. So here, let's go, let's go first to the, the video today of the announcement that Ghislaine Maxwell has. She ain't talking. She's pleading the Fifth Amendment, invoking her constitutional right to not incriminate herself. Here, let's check out this clip.
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C
She would answer questions if she were granted clemency by, by the, by the President Trump and that she went on to say about Clinton. And.
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A
Yeah, then he, yeah, but he went on to expand that the other thing is he, he pointed out a number of times that she has a habeas corpus petition pending for a new trial and release and that's why she is not going to answer questions.
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B
I think it's worth. Before you take the questions, what I'm hearing here is essentially she's available to the highest bidder that she's willing, she's willing to squeal, but someone's got to make her a very nice offer. And no one's presented that offer yet. So for now, she's keeping her mouth shut.
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A
Yeah, it was being reported like from her lawyers that she actually said, or her lawyer actually said rather at one point that she can exonerate Donald Trump if he grants her clemency, which is like, sorry, go ahead.
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B
On that note, this is conspiracy talk, but I believe she was moved to the nicer prison at Donald Trump's discretion for her earlier comments saying that I never saw Donald Trump do anything inappropriate. And I think she's already loosely played ball on, hey, I'm willing to protect Donald Trump and that's why she was moved to the nicer prison. And I think they're still fishing for perhaps an even better deal.
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A
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not sure that that could. Is going to. I would say it's unlikely, I think that she's going to get pardoned by Trump just because this has been, you know, so catastrophically mishandled by this administration and it just looks so bad for them. But this would be the way to try to get one. Like, this is her smartest play right now, is to go Donald Trump, I'll say you have proof that you've been exonerated and never did anything wrong. If you, if you grant me clemency or whatever. Pardon or whatever. Yeah, it's. I don't know, it's. It's an interesting situation. You know, there's so much. It's not like the connection between Trump himself and Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is very real. Another emails that we've. Some other emails that we've seen out here are personal correspondence between the first lady and Ghislaine Maxwell. And they're. And they're talking like, like girlfriends. You know what I mean? Like, oh, girl, it was so much fun. Can't wait to summer with you here. Can't wait to be back here. We'll have to come see you over. Like, they're, they were connected. And of course, you know, it was Trump's administration that, that got Ebstein in more ways than one or in whatever way he was actually dealt with. But again, another thing, and this is, this is stuff that we knew way before the F. These files were dropped, but another one of the things that, again, you know, someone like, like in Alex Baronson can say, and, and this is true. Okay, this doesn't prove anything. So if you want to say this doesn't prove anything, but the first fucking job that Jeffrey Epstein gets right is before he's even at Bear Stearns, is he's a teacher at Dalton. It's like this, this, like elite prep school for rich kids in New York City. And he's hired by Bill Barr's dad. Just kind of a crazy coincidence, if you want to call it that. Now, Bill Barr's dad was intelligence. He worked for the. Not the CIA, I think, but the precursor to the CIA that he was an intelligence agent. Then he goes to run this fancy school and brings in Jeffrey Epstein, then the son, Bill Barr, former CIA guy that gets made Attorney General by Donald Trump. And they're the ones who bring the case. They're the ones in charge of Jeffrey Epstein when he, you know, clearly commits suicide and a couple of cameras happen to malfunctioning. Guards fell asleep. And so, like, again, yes, you can say that doesn't prove anything on its own, but if you're an honest person, I think you look at that and go, this stinks. I'm not saying we're down to the bottom of it, but this smells awfully fishy.
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B
Now, I'm not sure if it's the first or second question here, but I got another conspiracy coming.
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A
Sure. They would like them to be public. Is your understanding still that we're looking.
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B
At those same February dates and they're.
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A
Going to be private?
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C
Yeah, that's what they agreed to. And they will be public, just like this will be public, hopefully very soon. We've released every transcript and every video and audio of every deposition we've done since I've been chairman of the committee.
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B
Does the committee have any plans to subpoena Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and the revelations?
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C
We're going to try to get these five nailed down. We've got a lot of very important people we're trying to bring in to answer questions. We don't want to do anything to jeopardize the five that we have on the book.
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A
So we'll.
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C
We'll see what happens here and we'll. We'll move forward in talking to anyone that might have.
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B
Okay, so this is where I just get very, very suspicious. Now, firstly, if you recall, Cormer was the guy who was running the charge on investigating the Biden criminal enterprise.
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A
And there were.
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B
He had multiple press conferences. We found 20 million in payments, all this loony stuff. Nothing ever came of it. Now, if I'm running a company and I'm looking for someone to lead the charge on an investigative effort, I'm not hiring the guy who, in his previous investigative effort didn't actually come up with anything. Now, you might say that he put on a couple good shows. I'm just saying that the conclusion of it. I've worked in sales offices. I manage sales teams. I'm putting my closer on if we have a good lead or something important. I'm not giving it to the guys that didn't close previous deals. Yeah, I'm just saying either this is just government bureaucracy where they're not very good at getting things done, and so they don't care if you weren't good at a previous effort. I'm just saying he had one public effort just a couple years ago of investing someone's criminality came up with zero. There was no prosecution of the Bidens. No one in the family got in trouble. They never brought great information to the public. Nothing. So when you take the guy who previously was supposed to investigate someone and came up with nothing and you have him leading the new effort, I get suspect that this is either. It's kind of just part of the COVID up. And then in this case, they asked him about, look, Lutnick, I don't know how much you know of this story, but Lutnick said, hey, I never spoke to the guy again after seeing the massage table. Spoke to him quite a bit. He's got some shit. He's got some shady dealings going on, dude.
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A
So that was one of the funniest ones. Let Nick, because there's the video clip of him going, you know, I walk over to his house, he's got a massage table right in the living room. And that's when I decided. Me and my wife talked about. We were like, I will not be hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein anymore. And then they got emails from way after that, like he saw the massage table and went, hey, dude, I totally got to come back over and see that massage table boy. Like, oh, you fucking liar, dude. Now people lie. It could go ahead.
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B
It could be just the extent that he's playing dirty here is that they're trying to take the opportunity to pin this on Democrats as much as possible. But even with that said, this is scandalous enough that if you're actually interested in uprooting corruption, you can't play for a team. And Lutnick is. There's enough on Lutnick here and there's enough other criminality with Lutnick. Whatever's going on with Tether or the fact that his kids are getting investments from the current administration for Precious Mineral Minings, there's enough going on with him. He should be brought in also. And I'm not really sure why Cormer, after Clinton made a request that the hearing be public. I don't know why, you know, I don't know why Cormer was against that. I would have thought that that would be more transparent and better. I don't know why Clinton made request for public and they, and they chose private was better.
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A
Yeah, I'm. I'm interested in that and I don't exactly understand why that is. And you know, there's. I'll say this, it's like Bill Clinton was at a time an enormously talented politician. And I've always kind of got the vibe with Bill Clinton. You know, Bill Clinton, he was, you know, the rumor on him was always that he was a big party Guy when he was young, like, Arkansas days, Bill Clinton was like a big party guy, you know, also credibly accused of rape by multiple women. But, you know, that's all part of the party. And rob and I think, you know, that's not, that's not very good for you.
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B
I partied so hard he didn't even know how to inhale marijuana. That's how hard he's partying.
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A
Well, I heard, I heard. I've seen interviews with like, it was like guys who were like Secret Service in Arkansas talking about how like, yo, this dude was like a maniac. And I think that's not good, you know, that's not good for your body and it catches up with you in old age. Bill Clinton also, he did the thing that you're not, you know, that you're not supposed to do, which is like, he was, he was always chubby and then he got thin when he was older. I think that just doesn't work out. You're supposed to, you're supposed to, you know, keep it together when you're young and then let yourself go a little bit as you get older. Anyway, he's not as good as he used to be at this, and he found that out a lot when Hillary Clinton was running for president. You know, they really counted on Bill Clinton to come in and be. Because the way the Clinton operation always worked, and it worked very well, was that he was the front man and she was the behind the scenes person. And then they tried to flip it and it's like, no, you can't put your, your, the mean bitch as the front man and your charismatic guy as the behind the scenes guy. But when he tried to come out and use that Clinton charisma, it just didn't work nearly as well. So part of it anyway, I guess in my mind, I'm like, part of it is like, Bill Clinton's got that thing that, you know, you're always a little bit in your mind as good as you used to be, you know, and like, you're. And he's like, no, I could do. I can go there and I can deflect and I can put on a show. You know, Bill Clinton's done depositions like this before. The Monica Lewinsky thing, he got, oh, he was raked over the coals and he stood right in the pocket and argued about what the word the meant. You know what I mean? Like, he's down to do it. So maybe that's part of it. I will say I don't. Not that I think this is true. But there's a little part, little part. Whenever someone's old like Bill Clinton is, and they've re. They really know what was. You know, like, this is a guy who not only was connected to all these guys, but was a notorious womanizer and partier. So you put that together, Rob, you know what I'm saying? Like, that it makes a high likelihood of, like, he knows some and maybe he wants to blow the whistle on some of it. I mean, that doesn't have to mean that Bill Clinton's gonna really tell the truth, but maybe Bill Clinton's got a lot of that he thinks can damage Republicans or at least scare them enough to back them off this. I don't know, but I can't. I don't know why else he wants this to be. Because the Clintons do. They want this to be in front of the cameras and the, you know, because I, I don't know. I'm just totally speculating here. But you got to admit, Rob, you would. It is a little like bit of a question mark because obviously just the visual of Bill Clinton being asked about all of this stuff is very bad optics. The visuals of the Clintons, the people who, it's largely rumored that they murder everybody who crosses them, you know, now they're going to be sitting here and being grilled about like satanic pedophile rituals and stuff like that. That's not good optics. Now, granted, they're not trying to win any new elections or anything like that, but then again, they're not trying to win any new elections. Like, they kind of don't need to. They can play this kind of only in what is in their self interest. So it's an interesting question.
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B
And on that note, I should have sent this clip. It was from last week. I don't know if you saw it, but Trump was saying, I wish they weren't going after Bill Clinton. I like Bill Clinton. So just speaking to your point of that, Bill Clinton might be savvy enough to keep teasing, hey, I've got this dirt on these other people and keep pivoting it to Republicans that are implicated. Maybe that's why they don't want a public hearing.
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A
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's. Maybe, maybe. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this goes down. I don't know, it's, it's. I'm not quite sure. I mean, I don't know if he actually gave a reason there, but what would be the objection to doing it public? Let's do it public. Oh, My God, Rob, I'm on the same side as the Clintons on this one. I want this to be a public hearing as well. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Fume, a great product. A longtime sponsor of the show, Fume is a flavored air device designed to help people quit vaping and smoking by breaking the hand to mouth pattern. It's simple, natural, and honestly, kind of genius. There's no nicotine, no batteries, and no vapor. It's just a weighted, twisty, fidgety, friendly tool that gives your hands something better to reach for when cravings show up. I know for me, as somebody who has successfully quit smoking and vaping, that was always a really big part of it. Is that as silly as it is, you kind of just miss that mechanical motion because you're so used to doing it. And a lot of times people who are like, a little bit fidgety or a little bit anxious end up, you know, getting some relief from smoking or vaping. And now Fume gives you something to do that isn't bad for you while. While you're fidgeting. So I highly recommend people check it out. Fume has already helped over 700,000 people take steps toward better habits. And now it's your turn. Use our promo code problem to get a free gift with your journey pack today. Head over to try fume.com, that's t r y f u m dot com. And use the promo code problem to claim your free gift today. Trif promo code problem. All right, let's get back into the show. Well, I guess as we're, as. As you know, we're still talking about this because it's just such a fascinating story and there's so much information that's come out over the last week. I guess the one thing that we haven't mentioned much is that obviously a big. A big element to the. The theories around Jeffrey Epstein and. And theories that have been shared by people like Dan Bongino, who said that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Middle east intelligence, and of course, famously Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly. And, you know, a lot of people have speculated about Jeffrey Epstein's ties to Israel. However, Rob, we did get some more information this week, and it turns out that none of that is true. That is. That is not true at all. And I can prove it. The most honest man in the world who is totally, you know, has no. Has no dog in this fight came out and gave us the answer. It was Benjamin Netanyahu. And he posted the following. He said Jeffrey Epstein's unusual close relationship with Ehud Barak does not suggest Epstein worked for Israel. It proves the opposite. Stuck on his election loss from over two decades ago, Barack has for years obsessively attempted to undermine Israeli democracy by working with the anti Zionist radical left in failed attempts to overthrow the elected Israeli government. Barack's personal fixation led him to engage in activities publicly and behind the scenes to undermine the government of Israel, including fueling mass protest movements, fomenting unrest, and feeding false media narratives. So there you have it, Rob. It's, it's a bold defense from Bibi Netanyahu.
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B
I actually heard that Epstein hated Israel and was working with the Russians. That's what, that's, that's what I'm hearing.
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A
Yes, yes, although, but don't let the details fuck with you, because whenever you see him working for the Russians, he's always doing it on behalf of Israel. It's like always, it's like, oh, look, he's connected to Vladimir Putin here. He's talking about allowing Russians to convert to Judaism and move to Israel. Yes, he's working for Vladimir Putin. Although, by the way, he does seem to have a relationship with Russian oligarchs, which is very interesting and also is not, not that crazy for, you know, the suspicion that he's connected to Israeli intelligence. But Benjamin Netanyahu is actually trying to make the argument here that he goes, hey, you know how him and Ehud Barak, the former defense and Prime Minister of Israel, you know how they're best friends? That's actually proof that he has nothing to do with Israel. That, that is, it's proof. This proves the fact that the former Prime Minister of Israel sleeps at Jeffrey Epstein's house. Proves he has no connections to Israel. That is, this is like a behind closed doors, sharp as attack level propaganda line. I mean, wait, what, we're supposed to be that stupid that we think this proves that he's not because you guys are political opponents or something like that? It is a. Just a wild, wild way to play it. I, I really kind of couldn't believe he actually posted this publicly like as. But, you know, again, he was pretty clearly very closely connected with Israel. There's just kind of no getting around that. And I gotta say, I do find the, I find it particularly fascinating that he was the guy who connected Ehud Barak to Peter Thiel and Palantir and then his relationship with Bannon and how much he was actually like, interested in guiding the populist movement. That's that's very interesting. And then of course you just see how much Palantir is integrated with this administration is another very creepy element. So a lot of stuff coming out. It's gonna. Listen, I mean it's gonna take months at least to get to the bottom of what are in these documents, let alone whatever new testimony and things like that. And of course we're gonna, you know, there'll be other stuff to talk about. But it did seem like this warranted one more episode of going through a lot of this stuff. It did seem like over the last week. I just don't see how anyone wouldn't have thought this is the major thing to talk about. I'm just taking the position of Dan Bongino from last year here, guys. That's all I'm doing. I'm just, I'm telling you, as, as the great Dan Bongino, as the podfather once said, never let up on this. We should never let this go. This is just too, it's too crazy.
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B
You're a Bungino originalist.
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A
I'm. That's it, mate. I, I consider myself an old school Bongino Bonginoite. But yeah, I mean, I just think it's too. Th. This is one of the things that's interesting about this story is that it's just too crazy for the fact that anyone who's being honest goes, oh dude, this stinks. This stinks from here to the high heavens. And anybody telling you that to move on. And there's no. They are there, they're just telling on themselves like, come on, man, this is too goddamn crazy and too goddamn criminal and two, two goddamn larger than life for us to not. And if we can't, you know, this is a litmus test in a way. Like if we can see this much and we. We allow them to just move on and brush the rest under the rug, then. Then there. No one's really serious about draining the swamp or doing any of that. So let's, let's stay on this. As old Bongina would have said. All right, we're going to wrap up there. As Rob said, don't forget, we'll be in Maryland this weekend. Rob will be up in New Hampshire. Me and him will Maryland. Then we got gigs here in New Jersey. Comicdab Smith.com for all those ticket links. Come on out. Hope to see some of you guys there. Catch you tomorrow. Peace.