C (3:45)

Yeah, I think if anything that's, to me, the highlight at the moment is the lack of will of the Trump administration to actually investigate any of this. Like, the files are just a piece of the puzzle and like you said, there isn't really a complete smoking gun, but there certainly seems like enough to open an investigation, if you were interested.

B (4:05)

Yeah, you know, I, I saw Mike Ben's, I saw part of his episode with Rogan and then I've just, you know, I follow him, so I see other stuff that he did. But one thing he said that was a very good point is that he was like, you know, essentially he was arguing. So the, the way that the whole legislation was written in, in Congress was that the Justice Department needs to turn over everything they have. But he, he was like, at this point we need that legislation. But for the CIA, like, we need basically to say like, okay, now what does the Central Intelligence Agency have about all of this? And that would be an interesting next step. But even just that, like, that was just him, you know, he's a guy who knows about this stuff. I was like, oh yeah, that's a really good idea, like when he said it. But then, you know, the next thing you think is, you're like, oh, and of course no one from the Trump administration is like leading that call. None of them are going, oh shit, we really got to get to the bottom of this. It's, it's from beginning to end this. The, the COVID up of the Epstein scandal has been just spectacular in its insanity and stupidity and just, just. And it's horrible political optics, I guess. But yes, you notice that. You do notice that. Like, there is not. Well, I, I'd say this. It's one of those. The Jeffrey Epstein scandal is one of those where you could tell, like, who the real ones are, who and who's not. The real ones want the information to come out and the ones who don't and want to do everything they can to downplay this. That is awfully goddamn suspicious at this point, I would say. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the Wellness Company. For decades, average male testosterone levels have been quietly declining. And according to the Cleveland Clinic, nearly 1 in 10 men over 50 now have clinically, clinically low testosterone. So, guys, if you're in Your early to mid-40s, it's already declining. But here's the problem. Low T is often defined as under 300 nanograms per deciliter. But the bigger issue is that you can still be labeled normal, but be anything but normal. You could have low T without it registering as that. Low libido, low energy, mood swings, gaining fat while losing muscle, brain fog, poor sleep, hair loss. We are taught that this is just part of midlife, but it's actually your hormones saying, help a brother out. Injections and prescriptions can be expensive and have harsh side effects. So the go to for you is Mars from the wellness company. Mars is a non injectable hormone free formula designed to support your body's own testosterone production. No prescriptions, no synthetic hormones, no needles. Power your performance and restore your edge. Go to TWC Health slash problem and use the promo code problem to get 10 off plus free shipping on every order for US residents. That's TWC Health SL problem. Promo code problem for 10 off and free shipping. All right, let's get back into the show.

C (7:05)

Well, we basically got Massie and Rokahana and that's about it at the moment.

B (7:12)

Yeah, and then a bunch of, you know, people on the Internet who want to see this stuff. So one of the things, and I think I had mentioned this on the last episode, but it is one of the things that really actually did stick out to me the most. There were a few emails that, you know, there's a lot of interesting stuff there. But to me there was the, so there was the, the doctor guy from cbs. You know, I'm talking about Rob. I'm blanking on his, his name. But he ended up getting fired and getting in a big scandal. But he Was like, he was like a health guru type guy. But he's saying all types of. In the emails about the sex parties and the. Is low in carbs was like his line in one of them, which was kind of funny. But so, so one of the things that affection.

C (8:03)

But I get where he's coming from.

B (8:05)

Well, the thing about it is, is that he's. Fair point, fair addendum. But he's going on and on about how he has withdrawals from the parties and how much fun they are. There's all this type of like, sex talk and it's clear that, like, oh, that's the appeal of Jeffrey Epstein, that like you go to him, he's got the parties with, with like these sex parties. It's like, it seems very obviously like that's what he's saying. In fact, you can't believe how direct they're being over email. And then there's the one with Bill Gates. And the reason why the Bill Gates one was so interesting is because that was one of the. Even though the email wasn't sent, that's one of the pieces where you connect. Not only that there's sexual activity going on with Jeffrey Epstein, but then he's also using that activity as leverage over you. And so one of the things that's been very interesting in the last couple days is that both Melinda and Bill Gates have responded to this. And I don't know if you read any of the Melinda Gates response, Rob, but let's just say it was really fucking cryptic. And there's. Now, look again, this is all. We're in the realm of speculation. You're talking about a divorced couple. I mean, it's, you know, as, as we all know, oftentimes after a divorce, the, the two parties are not fond of each other and are not going to look to rescue the other person from anything or. But the accusation here is incredibly embarrassing for her. The accusation here is that, like, your husband was out, got an std, brought it back, and then at least attempted to like, treat you without your knowledge or any. So she's asked about this and she just says like, it's so terrible. All of the things. This reminds me of a terrible point in my marriage and I really don't wish to relive that part. There's a lot of questions for all the people involved to answer, but those aren't my questions to answer. A bit strange, like if this, if this was. Again, this is speculating. People are divorced. Who knows what the dynamics are there? But do you remember Robin Seinfeld, when George Costanza asked the doctor if he thinks it's cancer, and he goes, I don't know. And then George's whole thing is he goes, you didn't give me a get out of here. And he goes, every doctor should have a get out of here. Like, that should just be your. Your response. And if it's not that, that makes me worry. Anyways, a funny bit on the show, but, like, this is the type of accusation that you almost go into it thinking you go, but this is crazy, right? Like, this couldn't. This couldn't possibly be true, right? And. And she's not giving you a get out of here. She's not going, what? No. I mean, that didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, and so that in its sense, in itself was like, all right, she. She's. Anyone in that situation knows what they're doing. If they're not giving you a get out of here. None of this happened. Even if it did happen, you kind of expect that that would be the reaction of someone just, like, in an embarrassing situation like that. So she is intentionally not doing that and, you know, letting it fester. And then there was Bill Gates's response, which is on camera. And so we have that here. So let's go. Let's play the clip here of Bill Gates responding to the accusation that he was. Or responding to the. What was in the files in email written by Jeffrey Epstein that wasn't sent to him claiming that he got an STD and then gave it to his. His wife. Let's. Let's play.

D (11:50)

No, the. Apparently Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is false. So I don't know what his thinking was there. It just reminds me every minute I spent with him, I regret and I apologize that I did that. It's factually true that I was only at dinners. I never went to the island, I never met any women. And so the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior. No, the.

B (12:26)

All right, now, Rob, look, man, this is a. We're in a little bit of a space of stuff that we don't normally do, but it's, like, impossible with this being the number one story to not kind of speculate on this a little bit. I got to say. I don't know. I'm curious your thoughts. I found this to be a weird answer. To be a weird answer, and also not really addressing the thing. But anyway, go ahead.

C (12:51)

First is he's really aging into a reptile. I mean, I don't know how much you want to delve into reptilian conspiracies, but this guy could not look more like a human lizard and could not be aging more into the presence of. If you were to do, like, the green reptile face of what you think the reptiles look like. It's like he. Michael Jackson his skin color, but is exactly that reptile.

B (13:14)

Yeah.

C (13:15)

I've seen Bill Gates in a number of interviews, and he just kind of always comes off guilty. He is clearly rich and is clearly. And I think he might just be guilty in all these things. But if you go back to the COVID stuff, he always sounds very guilty. And so this would follow that track. That kind of. Maybe that's his goofball presence. But my read on this is, dude, you're. This is some goofy evasiveness that makes you look very guilty. You should. You do not have Bill Quintlin Suave. You should just not be in front of a television camera for a while.

B (13:52)

Well, it's just. Dude, Chappelle had this old joke that I always. At the time, I just thought was so goddamn funny. Maybe it doesn't hold up as much as I loved it at the time, but it was a joke about Bill Clinton and how he knew he was lying. Because no one's ever that cool when they get accused of getting pussy that they didn't get. And like, if you get. When you get accused of cheating when you didn't, every man goes, please believe me, I didn't do it. It's insane. And he's just like, I did not have. And it was. Anyway, the way he did it was so funny. But there is something about, like, when the accu. Let's like, say this is not true, okay? The accusation is that you. It not only cheated on your wife, but, like, in the filthiest manner, like, caught an STD and then gave it back to your wife and then had to secretly drug her. You would just think, if that's not true, the. The starting point would be. That is absolutely ridiculous. That is not true. I've never cheated on my wife. I've never had an std. I've never given my wife an STD because I've never had one to give her. This is insane. And if Jeffrey Epstein wrote this to himself, I don't know what that insane person was thinking, but this is absolutely not true. And I'll Give. I'll give $10 million to anyone who could provide a shred of evidence that it's true, because none of you are getting it. It's not true.

C (15:11)

This is like, we got the Russian hooker right here.

B (15:14)

Yeah, yeah, well, right. But I'm just saying, like, that just seems to me like a normal response to when you didn't do it and you're in the clear if you're going to sit down in front of a camera and talk about it. But instead he goes, apparently he wrote an email to himself. And, and it's just as we said. I was never on the island. I was never this. It's like, yeah, but forget the island for a second. Like that. Look, the reason why this is. It's a particularly weird one is you, you just go, look, aside from the possibility of, like, thinking that my emails were going to come out one day and could maybe damage you, and if you look at the way Jeffrey Epstein is emailing, it doesn't seem like he's emailing thinking that these might come out one day. But what possible reason would there be to even draft this email out to Bill Gates? Like, I mean, I'm just, I'm. I'm trying to think, honestly. I mean, I, I suppose you, you could argue he was going to try to blackmail him with bullshit information, like, none of this is true, but I'm still going to claim it's true, but that seems kind of unlikely. How would that be effective? What would even be the point of doing it? Unless this was dirt that you had on him? And so it, look, it doesn't prove anything at all. But what we're left with, I mean, again, it's kind of like almost the entire. A microcosm for the entire Epstein story. But, like, when you're left with the email that Epstein wrote, Melinda Gates reaction to it, and then Bill Gates reaction to it, it's like, all right, I guess you don't have anything you could prove there, but you sure do have a, like, what the fuck is going on? Moment. Because it looks really, really bad. It looks like the only coherent explanation is that it's true. Like, it just looks like I'm, like, struggling to see what the other. Because there's one piece, right? Like, when you're speculating about this stuff, there's one piece. If this is tr, then everything fits together nicely. Like, if that actually happened and this was actually an email that, that Epstein was debating to send Gates because he wanted some leverage over him for whatever reason. So if it's true that he cheated on his wife, got an STD and gave it back to her. It makes sense that he would have written out this email. It makes sense that Bill Gates would look guilty and, and not exactly directly defend it. And it makes sense that Melinda Gates would be like, this is such a dark period of my life. I just don't want to relive this again. That ties everything together really nicely. If it's not that, what the hell explains all of this? Like, I'm, I'm saying I'm open to theories here, but like what else? Because I really can't think of one other theory where any of this makes sense at all. I don't know.

C (18:06)

I remember when Bill Gates and Melinda were getting divorced, the timing even seemed Epstein related. Like I remember there was skepticism of the time that, oh, she found out about this little relationship and was either so disgusted she's like, I can't stay with this guy. Or didn't want to stick around for if the heat was going to start coming down.

B (18:25)

Dude, there was the one who was the, the CNBC guy. He might, in fact, he had a government job of some sort at one point, but he was, I'm blanking on his name, but he's is pretty funny because he was out in an interview talking about his relationship with Epstein like years ago. And so he said that he said one time in 2005, yeah, I guess Epstein lived like right near him. Like he was like a couple doors away or something. And he said him, he went over there and there was like a massage table. And he was like, what? Geez, how often are you getting massages, Jeffrey? Like you got a massage table in your living room. And he goes, oh, every day. And he said, then Jeffrey Epstein leaned into him and goes, and I'm getting the good kind of massages. And he, when he was talking about it in his interview, he goes, that day I told my wife, you know, he goes, he said like that day me and my wife agreed we're never seeing Jeffrey Epstein again. But then in the emails that came out that he tried to get a hold of him like seven more times after that. And like, so I look like the picture that's coming together is kind of the picture that the conspiracy theorists were painting. That like, yeah, that was a big part of it. He wasn't just a guy who, who happened to be a pedophile in his spare time. Like it didn't just happen to be that he's into fucking 14 year old girls. And so he does that and also is doing shadow diplomacy and also is powerfully connected. It's like, no, he did the partying thing with the other people. And at least in the Bill Gates case, sure does seem to be like he's then going to use information he's got against you. You know that and he was a money launderer for. For foreign governments that seems. I'm just saying, if you're. If you're saying. What are we closer to the. There's the. The cash Patel, Dan Bongino. There's nothing to see here or to the fucking. There's a big conspiracy going on. We're obviously much closer to that.

C (20:28)

With all these guys money, they can't run some STD checks on their hookers. You think Bill Gates would have some sort of a supercomputer to just run a lady through before he's going to stick his dick in it?

B (20:39)

Even Jordan had some bad games, man. You know, no one. No one hits every shot they take. Could have been one could have slipped through the cracks. You never know, Rob. You know, it's like it's easy to sit on the sidelines and tell people how they should run their pedophile blackmail parties, Rob. But it's another thing to get your hands dirty and get out there and there's. I'm sure there were some protocols in place, but they did not seem to. To keep together. Now, by the way, who's the Benjamin.

C (21:05)

Franklin of the crew? Who is giving all the STDs to the women that were getting passed around?

B (21:10)

That's his.

C (21:11)

Look.

B (21:11)

We're all thinking Bill Clinton, but none of us know for sure. None of us really know. But yeah, there's got to be one. There was definitely one. Or at least one.

C (21:19)

I'm gonna guess Stephen Hawkin because he couldn't tell anyone if there was a problem.

B (21:25)

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C (24:05)

Looks like a hammerhead shark.

B (24:07)

Okay, hold on. Start it up. Start it over. Because I do want to hear the. The question here, too.

C (24:13)

Yeah, that's a kind of guilty face right off the bat. That's doesn't look good.

B (24:17)

No, you're looking at me. You're looking at. Sorry.

A (24:23)

You told me when we last talked, this is eight months ago, when we did an interview with the FBI in Quantico, that you were convinced that Epstein killed himself in jail today. 8 months. 8 months after that. Are you still convinced?

B (24:34)

Yes.

A (24:35)

100%.

E (24:36)

Yes sir.

A (24:38)

You told me. So great.

C (24:40)

Follow up questions about the evidence. I mean that's hard hitting journalism right there.

B (24:45)

Yeah, no, of course. Well, look, Rob is, we've, we've broken this down for years specifically and specifically with Brett Baier. Brett Baier is. His role is to pose as a guy doing actual journalism but never ask you the correct follow up questions and essentially let you skate. But look, I mean it's just one more time Cash Patel going on record. But this time he go, he throws 100% in, which really is a thing that like at least, and like he's the FBI director, but at least in the intelligence world. You know, Rob, you've read enough about this that I'm sure you've heard this before that they are famously allergic to that. That sentence that you never say 100%. You never say 100% because you don't know anything. 100%, you know. And then for, for Cash Patel to be saying he is 100% sure that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. All right, it just again, at the risk of beating a dead horse here, which I don't know how else to describe Cash Patel and Dan Bongino other than dead horses and at the risk of beating them, where is that evidence that we haven't seen evidence to make us even 5% sure. And you're claiming here that you've released everything yet. Like there's just, it doesn't, it's not as if they're giving us a reason. They're going, look, I've seen such conclusive evidence that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself that I would put it at 100%. It is a 100% certainty that he killed himself. And I've seen the evidence. But here's why we can't release that evidence. Right. Like they don't have a thing that it's like, like national security or victims would be re. Traumatized or other. Right. Like they're not offering us any reason why they would keep this information from us, but they're just going to continue asserting that it's 100% and then end up insulting anybody who keeps asking this question. This seems to be the play, the play right now. This is the plan and it is, it is shockingly pathetic. What can you say?

C (27:07)

Well, yeah, I mean how can he make this claim again? Just he absolutely killed himself without anything to back that up, especially when bungee. I seen it. I've seen it. What do you see? What do you see, dude?

B (27:19)

Yeah, it's just wild. It just. And they're not even going, look, I've seen it and we're doing everything we can to get it to you as soon as possible. I've seen it and you're going to see it soon. I've seen it. But here's why you can't see it. Nothing like that. Just as they said the whole time. It's always been since, since Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi and Donald Trump flipped on a dime and tried to cover up the whole thing. It's all been, trust me, bro. That's the entire thing since then has been trusted. If I had files, you'd think I wouldn't have shared the this is me. We're talking about this. That's all they have or just the assertion, which implicitly is like a trust me, you know, like. So they are offering nothing here. Let's go, let's go to the, to the next clip.

A (28:08)

The Epstein files, the last tranche we're told put out. Looking back since the beginning and you've been a part of talking about this and, and do obviously produced these elements, do you have regrets about how it's been handled?

E (28:25)

Look, like any other hot topic issue, the American public and the world had a great interest in this. And what we did under President Trump's leadership is produced the most transparent DOJ in FBI in history. Three other administrations had the opportunity to do this and we produced everything we legally and lawfully could. We work with our partners in Congress, we follow the statutes and the court orders and we produce what, 3 million some pages. So I think we got to the result and in the right way. Could we have gotten there faster? I'm not really sure. Because of numerous court cases, multiple protective orders, multiple court ceilings and so now we've produced everything we can while protecting.

A (28:59)

Victims rights and the Epstein.

B (29:01)

All right, so you Rob. I mean, look man, I don't know. I mean how, how many, how much can you say the same thing? It's just so obvious here. But like he's got, so he's going the Dan Bongino route, this pathetic route of saying no, we're so transparent that we got this to you. As if we're all supposed to just forget that they tried not to get any of this to us. Like we're supposed to pretend that didn't happen. By the way, Donald Trump is still out trying to ruin Thomas Massie's congressional career. He's still out there doing that there was some type of. I think it was Miriam Adelson said she was putting $20 million into his primary race. They're still trying to ruin the guy who made them release this stuff for making them release this stuff while they brag about how transparent they are because they release this stuff. And then Rob, of course, the other major thing here, you're saying he's straight up saying, here we released everything that we possibly could, short of re victimizing women. Well, sorry, Cash Patel, I'm not as smart as all you guys.

C (30:08)

I'm not.

B (30:08)

I don't have the brain power of a Dan Bongino. But how would releasing the 100% definitive proof that he killed himself re victimize women? Explain that to me? Why can't we see that, by the way? I mean, it's not like. The funny thing is that the killing himself part became such a linchpin of this whole thing, because that was the meme. Epstein didn't kill himself. But really, the conspiracy doesn't even rest on any of that. It's like, there's still be a lot of other questions that it wouldn't. Like if he had committed suicide in prison, we could still wonder, was he pressured into committing suicide? Was he threatened into committing suicide? Why did the cameras go off? What was the protocol? What was all this? But even if that were the case, it wouldn't really change any of our other questions. It's just that these guys insist on asserting with 100% certainty that he killed himself. So. So back that up with some goddamn evidence because we haven't seen a shred of it yet.

C (31:06)

Also, if I learned anything from Steve Bannon, it's that Epstein doesn't really even mind being in prison and enjoys the Almond Joy bars, and he can really see the beauty in any situation. So what evidence do you have that the guy was even suicidal in prison? He's not a very remorseful individual, and he seems content to go, hey, it was a good time when it was a good time, and now's the prison time. No big deal.

B (31:31)

Yeah, and he was. According to his brother, at least, he wasn't at all suicidal. His brother seems like a little bit of a kook, so who knows? But according to him, he wasn't at all suicidal, and he had been attacked in prison just shortly before he ended up dying. So, anyway, there's a lot of questions here, and these guys are just saying no. We've been very transparent now. Trust us.

C (31:54)

Now, it's also. I mean, the levels of lies to this is first, the. They're trying to. This is the classic government lie. No one's more concerned than we are. The second something goes wrong, no one's more concerned than we are. And so here you have. The public is interested in this case, and they were forced to release this information, but they're not actually interested in investigating it. They're not interested in new information. The only thing they did was put out the information that they were forced to do. They didn't want to put out this information.

B (32:22)

And not even that. And at least according to Thomas Massie, not even that. Yeah, they haven't. That they haven't complied with what they were forced to put out.

C (32:29)

They're still doing the best that they can to brush this under the rug. And so to claim no one's been more transparent. No, you were forced to release the files that have come out. And he's been going with this lie for a long time of, we're going to do everything that we legally can. What exactly is holding you guys back? What, if anything, the law right now is you're supposed to release all of these files. And so now you've come up with ongoing investigations, images of murder, like. But he's been going with that line for a long time of every time he's asked. Well, whatever. I don't know. The second you start going, whatever we legally can do, it sounds like you're not actually. Donald Trump's breaking the law all the time. If he's interested in getting something done, he's getting something done. This is the only time I've ever heard this administration go, well, we're looking into. If we, we're looking into. If we can legally blow up boats. We're looking to. If we can legally start a war with Iran. Because Congress doesn't seem to be all that into it. You don't, you don't hear a lot of, oh, we're just trying to do whatever the law will allow us to. We would love to do more of this. And in this case, he has yet to explain once what law is preventing him from doing more investigations into the Epstein files or a law against investigating coconspirators.

B (33:36)

No, I mean, at this point, at this point, I think you'd need a law defending your right to keep all the documents you're keeping. It seems like that's wildly illegal. So the claim is crazy. And then, of course, it's mixed in with this other, like, really just pathetic. This really. The pathetic kind of like, revert back to partisanship and, well, Biden didn't do it either. It's just so weak, man. You know, it's like. And you see this all the time. It ends up happening when people just can't defend their position at all. So they try to almost just, like, get you back into tribal monkey brain. Like, that's their team. This is our team. But the fact is that if I come into, you know, if, if we're like, if we were just on a desert island or something like that, and there's a leader on that island or there's three or four leaders in a row, and I come out here and I go, dude, these leaders are corrupt and they're stupid and they're mismanaging everything and they're. They're committing crimes and all of this. And I'm going to do a much better job leading, and I'm going to get to the bottom of all these crimes that these guys have been covering up. And then everyone in the island rallies around me and makes me. And then I don't get to the bottom of anything. I can't go, well, those last guys didn't get to the bottom of anything. Like, yeah, we know. That's why we don't like them. That's also why we don't like you now, too. It's just, like, so stupid. And that's. I, I don't, you know, and it's, It's. I don't know, it's an incredibly pathetic political tactic that people use when they can't defend their own actions. And so they just turned back to, like, well, remember Joe Biden? You didn't like him, right? And we're the guys who beat him. Like, right. But you promised you weren't going to do the same thing he did, and you did. Nobody, Nobody. Nobody who ever voted for Joe Biden or ever even, you know, considered it, or even anyone who voted against him, nobody ever thought, well, Joe Biden's getting in there to drain the swamp, Rob. That's what. Joe Biden. That's what. The guy who's been in the Senate for half a century, I'm. That's what, that's what I put him in there for. I thought maybe the credit card company's man in Delaware was going to get in there and really get to the bottom of government corruption. Like, you know, like, people. Even the people who voted for Joe Biden voted for him for different reasons in 2020. It was like voting against the chaos of 2020, voting for a return to normalcy, voting against Donald Trump. But no one voted for him with this expectation. But you, Donald Trump, explicitly ran on this. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Crowd Health, a longtime sponsor of the show. A great company run by great people. They've always been an amazing alternative to health insurance. And now I want to tell you about the Black Swan membership. This is the health care alternative for those who want autonomy over their care, their costs, and their lifestyle. For just $95 a month, you get a team of expert bill negotiators, access to low cost prescriptions and lab testing, plus a curated database of high quality, low cost doctors vetted by Crowd Health. There's no insurance middlemen. There's no networks dictating your care. Just you in the driver's seat. And if a major Black Swan event hits, you cover the first 15,000 and the crowd steps up to help fund the rest. It's like the freedom we had before Obamacare turned health care into a bureaucratic nightmare. So if you're Ready to start 2026 on your terms, go to JoinCrowdHealth.com and use the promo code POTP and you'll get your first three months for just $80. That's right. Kick off the new year with healthcare that puts you first. Crowd Health is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Visit joincrowdhealth.com and use the promo code POTP today. All right, let's get back into the show. And also, by the way, you know, they sit there and they go like, you know, nobody told you the truth about, about Jeffrey Epstein. Not Biden, not Obama, not anywhere. You're like, you know, there was a president in between those two, which was also Trump. So, like, if you want to go back to it, then like Trump. But again, you guys explicitly ran on this. This wasn't something that we made up for you. This was a campaign promise. And then specifically by guys like Cash Patel. So I don't know, this whole thing is just a goddamn disaster. There is one more clip here that I also thought was just phenomenal because again, it's, it's right on the same theme, the same broader kind of theme that we've been talking a lot about on this show. So let's play this next clip of.

E (38:27)

Cash Patel provide support.

A (38:29)

All right, well, let me take you to a different shooter, and that is the Butler shooter. I asked you about this at Quantico. Take listen, Will we know a lot more about him. Is there more to know?

E (38:41)

I Don't know that there's more to know, but you're going to know everything we know. And we don't feel that the American people have been given the information they need on that. And we're digging through the files, and we're getting them a more robust picture of what happened.

A (38:55)

So that was May 2025. I mean, I don't think we, the public, have a more robust picture of that shooter.

E (39:03)

Well, I think that's an unfair supposition. We, the FBI, have put out all the information that we possibly and legally can while protecting any ongoing matters that are unrelated.

B (39:14)

But he's dead.

E (39:15)

Well, yes, he's very much dead. But at the same time, Brett, we at the FBI have to follow the parameters of our investigation and what the law allows us to release.

A (39:23)

I get it, but, you know, where were the cell phones? Why don't we know who he was talking to? You know what? Exactly. Like, we haven't gotten the whole picture about Butler even now.

E (39:33)

But here's the thing, Brett. There we can provide, and just an example here. We've provided 40,000 pages of documents to Congress. That's a 400% increase from the prior two directors. We will continue to provide this information with our partners on Capitol Hill when we are legally able. It's never going to be enough for everyone. It's never going to be enough. But what we are saying is, we're not saying trust us. We're saying we did an exhaustive search of that. We presented that information to the Department of Justice, and a decision was made on what to release.

A (40:02)

Yeah, but. Okay, you said we put out everything we could. Do you think that everything's been put out about Air Crumps, the shooter, alleged shooter, everything.

E (40:12)

Whether it's Epstein or Charlie Kirk or whether it's this. This shooter and Butler, we always put out what the law permits us to put out last.

B (40:22)

Wow. I mean, wow. Dude, it's like. It almost feels like when Cash Patel is thrown into these spots. Like, it almost feels like if someone. Like, if someone just made me. Like, I don't know, they had, like, they had my family held hostage or something. And they were just like, you're gonna go out there to 3,000 people and give a lecture on quantum physics? And I'd be like, but I don't. I don't know anything about that. Like, what am I gonna say? And they're like, better convince them that you know something. And then you're just out there. You're just like, so. All right, guys. Now, the way You've been thinking about physics is an apple. But, like, he's just got nothing. What the. Here you are on record last May saying we're gonna. We're have to do a much better job of. Of flushing out what really happened here for the American people. Here we are almost a year later. You've given us nothing. Like. Like, what do we. What. What information do we even have about this? Rob, we have absolutely nothing. There is. Nothing has been explained. And he's just going to say. He's saying. I'm not saying. Trust me. We put out everything that we're legally allowed to put out. Well, Cash Patel, can we verify that?

E (41:46)

No.

B (41:47)

So then you're asking us to trust you. That's what it means to ask someone to trust you. You're asserting something. You're backing it up with no evidence and asking us to believe your assertion. That would be called trust. This is literally you saying, trust me, bro. What do you got, Rob?

C (42:08)

Man, I pick up on a lot of stuff here. Firstly, he's re repeating this phrase over releasing everything that we legally can. It's also, I envision him walking into a room after they put out files, and he's like, double space that I want to be able to say, I put out 40,000 instead of 20,000. So that's meaningless. Also, Brett Bear had a moment there where he was actually giving some pushback and just realized, I better let him off the hook. And you can see as he's asking the question, he just stops and pivots to another question. But I don't think I've ever done this on the show. There was one thing that I really picked up on, which is he said we couldn't release it because of unrelated information. And can we actually replay the beginning of this? Because I think. I think he actually kind of admits that there's more to this storyline of who this person is and his relationship is with the FBI, but it's unrelated in his opinion, to the shoot.

B (42:59)

Yeah, no, it's a good. That's a good catch here. Let's. Let's play that again.

A (43:03)

All right, well, let me take you to a different shooter, and that is the Butler shooter. I asked you about this at Quantico. Take listen, Will. We know a lot more about him. Is there more to know?

E (43:16)

I don't know that there's more to know, but you're going to know everything we know. And we don't feel that the American people have been given the information they need on that. And we're digging through the files and we're getting them a more robust picture of what happened.

A (43:30)

So that was May 2025. I mean, I don't think we, the public, have a more robust picture of that shooter.

E (43:37)

Well, I think that's an unfair supposition. We, the FBI, have put out all the information that we possibly and legally can while protecting any ongoing matters that are unrelated.

B (43:48)

But he's dead.

C (43:49)

Pause.

E (43:49)

Well, yes, he's very much dead.

C (43:52)

What does that mean? What are the unrelated matters that are tied into this that you're not legally allowed to put out? Cuz what that sounds to me is like the FBI or some intelligence agency had some tie in with this individual. And so you're not legally allowed to tell us about that because it would undermine these institutions. And America is going, wait, wait, what are you guys doing with people? And why you guys had a relationship with the guy who took a shot at Donald Trump? I mean, I'm going conspiracy here. But I'm just saying, what does that mean?

B (44:22)

That there's a question? Yeah, it's a question. What the hell does that mean? I mean, you're saying with our now more robust understanding of the situation, it's not robust enough for me to understand why there would be ongoing or interrelated elements to this. What are you talking about? I'm assuming wasn't the official story that this is a lone nut with no connection and no Internet history and whoopsie, the Secret Service just happened to not check the obvious roof with a direct line of sight to the president from 130 yards away, like we've got no answers on any of this and then, yeah, he just hides behind some vague, it could be connected to other things that therefore we legally can't give you more information about? Well, to your point, Rob, that right there is a very big story. If that's true, then that's what's being kept from us.

C (45:21)

But I'd love to know what he thinks is unrelated that needs a mention, but it's not related. Sounds like a bit of an oxymoron almost, that it's tied into this, but unrelated.

B (45:33)

Yeah, I completely agreed. And so, you know, look, he's going, you know, he's going to sit here and say when it comes to Epstein, when it comes to Charlie Kirk, when it comes to the Donald Trump assassination attempt, we've put out everything that we're legally able to put out. And it's like, yeah, okay, well with the Ebstein stuff, the most obvious, you know, first rejoinder to that is that you had all this stuff, and you've been sitting on it while you all told us that there were no files. You only put it out when you were forced to. You could have legally put a lot of this stuff out before then, and you didn't now with what you have put out now, all any of us are going is like, whoa, this looks fucking crazy. So we got a lot more questions, if anything, on that now with Charlie Kirk. Okay, there is a trial coming up because the guy's still alive, but there's nothing they've put out that's really cleared up at all what happened to Charlie. And as far as the stuff with this Trump shooting, the guy's dead. There's never going to be a trial. He's essentially telling us, you know, what you're going to know. Which is what, Rob? Absolutely nothing. I mean, we don't know. I don't think this is an exaggeration to say we don't know any more than we knew the day Trump was shot, other than the name of the guy. Like, what else did we really get other than that? We got excuses for why it happened, but essentially, like, what you. What you knew the day Donald Trump got shot was that somehow he got on this roof, he almost assassinated the president, Caught him in the ear. Like, that's essentially what we know. I wouldn't call that a more. A more robust understanding of the events. So, yeah, I mean, look, dude, this is. This is the deal. It's this administration, and this has long been over, but this administration said they were coming in here to drain the swamp, said they were going to get to the bottom of all these deep state criminals, and they're covering every goddamn thing up. That's it. You know, they're covering every. Now the question is, you, Trump supporter or just you, American citizen? Are you stupid enough to fucking fall for this shit? Are you. Are you, like, so degraded as a. As an adult human being that you're gonna let someone lie to your face and treat you like you're a. Or are you gonna be like, no, I can obviously see what you're doing here. That seems to me to be the only. The only real question left. All right, so we got, like, 15 minutes left. Do you want. Let's you talk about the latest in Iran a little bit. So I don't know if you've. If you've been keeping up with this, Rob, but it's been an interesting few days, and it is in so many ways been vindicating to those of us who oppose the 12 Day War last year. But essentially there's, there's, there's been a tremendous amount of military, US Military hardware has been moved into the region. It was reported last month when Bibi Netanyahu was essentially saying we need more backup before we can bomb Iran. And that seems to be the case. And it seems like they've moved a lot of that in. And the, the USS Abraham Lincoln, which was one of the, the ships that was moved in was evidently yesterday, the Iranians flew a drone toward it. The U. S. Central Command claims they shot down the drone. The Iranian government claimed that it was a surveillance drone, that it was totally legal in international waters. There were reports that there will be negotiations. Of course, there's a major problem with having negotiations right now with Iran, which is that the last time we entered negotiations with them, we were setting them up for Israel to bomb them and then us to come in and bomb them next time. So it makes it really hard to have a good faith negotiation after that. Now the, what's been reported essentially, if you remember, Rob, in the negotiating period that led up to the 12 Day War, Donald Trump had signaled at one point that he wanted Iran to bring down their level of enrichment of enriched uranium in their nuclear program. And then the hawks all insisted that he insist on zero percent enriched uranium, in other words, to abandon their legal civilian nuclear energy program. And that was always known that that was going to be, it was a poison pill put into the deal to design, to design, to, to crush it. Now, this round of negotiations, there's essentially four issues. There's four major issues theoretically that there are to be negotiated about. Just to give you my take on all of this, I think all of the negotiations are, are phony at this point, I don't think that actually any of this matters. I think that Israel and the Israel lobby in America wants regime change. Here as evidence for this, I have every single one of them in their own words for the last 30 years saying, I want regime change in Iran every day, literally or figuratively, but pretty close to literally. And so now the four issues that they're claiming that they're negotiating are number one, the nuclear program, number two, intercontinental ballistic missiles, number three, support for proxy groups in the region, and number four, killing their own protesters. So these are like the four things now that they're claiming are major issues. Now it was reported out that, and I don't know if you've seen any of this, Rob, but Fox News all day long, all the war hawks, you know, all the, all the Israel Lobby people, you know, Mark Levan and Ben Shapiro and all of them, every single day, they're just putting pressure on Donald Trump. You know, you, you gave a red line about them killing protesters and now they've killed 30 trillion protesters. So you got to go in there and do something about it. Now what they insisted the negotiations would be would be that Iran has to end their nuclear program, we're back to zero percent enriched uranium, end their missile program so they can't develop intercontinental ballistic missiles anymore, end their support for all proxies and treat the protesters all peacefully. In other words, Rob, the most ridiculous non starter asking something that you know you can't possibly get. And part of the reason why you can't possibly get this is why no government would ever agree to this is because, you know, the whole reason, look, the reason why Israel would take that deal if they were willing to give it is because then Israel can just pick them apart. Then Israel can go through with the regime change. If they don't have the missiles to threaten back Israel with, then Israel has no reason not to attack them whenever they want to. And they've got an aggressor in their neighborhood. So they're not going to do any of that. They're not going to get rid of their defensive programs. The latest I had heard reported was that Iran came back and countered with why don't we enter third party negotiations but we'll only let's keep it to the nuclear issue, which was the issue we were negotiating last time. And I just saw it reported earlier this morning that Iran pulled out of the negotiations because the US Refused to make them just about the nuclear issue. So seems to me what we're seeing here is another round of phony poison pill negotiations intentionally designed to let the administration say, look, we tried to negotiate, they won't do it any other way and so we have no choice but to bomb them. That seems to be my best read of it. I don't know any thoughts you have on any of that.

C (54:02)

Well, I'll just add one thing to the end of that statement or just walk away. And that provoked everybody for no reason. Had a little show of moving boats over here, maximum pressure and all right, let's call it a day. So, but yeah, I was, I was joking that the provisions were essentially, hey, Iran, can you make it easier for us to attack you? Can you make it so that there are no code? Because the reason we're not attacking you now is because there's costs. Can you just take away the costs and Then trust us that we're not. We're going to be nice.

B (54:31)

Well, it's, it really is something that, you know, I, Look, I don't know. The reason why I tend to think they're going to bomb Iran again is just that I, I do think the, the military movements, I mean, these things, it's not as if this is easy or cheap to do. Like, there's already, it's like tens of millions of dollars have already been spent on just moving all these, these military assets in place. And I don't know, you know, sure, I wouldn't put it past Trump to do that just for show, but it seems to me like we're following the same playbook as last time, you know, like it seems to be leading right up to the same thing. And yes, to your point, I mean, there's the idea of asking a government after you've already tricked them last time in your negotiation to be saying, like, that's our negotiation. If you could just grab your ankles and spread your cheeks for us, then we totally won't do anything after that. It's just, it's absurd. And I gotta say, it's very, it's, it's, this is why I said it's very vindicating for us. It's so revealing for the people last time who were saying it's just about their nuclear program is just about their nuclear program. It's just about the threat of them developing a nuclear weapon. And then to brag that we obliterated their nuclear capabilities and then to say that six months later we're right back at the same spot where we still have to be concerned with their nuclear program plus these four other things. Now it's just, again, it's, it's, it's about as transparent as fucking Cash Patel telling you he's turned over everything he can. And this is obvious at this point, and this is what it's always been about. This was obvious to me last summer. I think it's obvious to just about anyone paying attention. I don't know how you could not see it when they all tell you in your, in their own words, but that this is about regime change. This has been something that, you know, you can go back to the, what, what Richard Pearl and David Worms are, were saying about degrading Iran back in the, the mid-1990s. You can look at Benjamin Netanyahu testifying before Congress in 2002 that we ought to do a regime change war in, in Iran. You could listen to John Kirioka, John Kiriakou had. He's got a bunch of interesting little stories about them saying at the highest possible level that will be in Tehran by next year. Back in. I believe that was. You can listen to all types of the. The propaganda that Netanyahu has been spewing about how close they were to a bomb for the last 30 years. Every single Warhawk from John McCain and Lindsey Graham and all of them constantly talking about regime. Regime change in Tehran. It's so obviously that about that and that's the goal here. But sure, I guess Israel would take. You can't support Hezbollah anymore or have any more missiles because, you know, then they kind of get their way and then they can do whatever they want. And they've demonstrated already that they will attack the Iranian government. You know, look, dude, I'm just saying, just calling balls and strikes here they are. Iran is probably in a situation where they're justified. Yeah, let me walk that back a little bit. If there's ever a time to be justified to launch a preemptive war, Iran is about as close as you could be to that. They're being surrounded, they're being threatened, they're being bullied. They've already been attacked. So, like, I don't even know if you'd call it a preemptive war, depending on how you define that. But it seems pretty clear that we're pushing them as much as we can push them. The Iranian government is talking tough. They're talking very tough about how they will not go down like last time. There will not be advance warning. There will not. Like they really will respond. The American military movements seem to indicate that we're concerned with that threat. That being said, I don't know. I really don't know. I do. I do wonder. And in a lot of ways this is the big question. And I do think that some people. Some people who I really admire, who I think are. Have been largely correct about foreign policy for. For decades. Definitely said some kind of like unqualified statements where they didn't kind of hedge their bets a little bit about the 12 Day War where they said if you attack Iran's nuclear program, they will respond by killing a bunch of Americans in the area that many of us were, I don't know, thought that that was a. An unacceptable risk to take. It turned out they showed restraint out of a desire for self preservation. The question is, what if their self preservation is really threatened? What if it becomes clear that this really is a regime change now? I don't know. Like, even in that in that scenario, Rob, it's possible that they would just take it because what the fuck are they going to do? I mean, they can kill a lot of Americans, they could kill a lot of Israelis, but they know if they do that, it's their. Their country is going to get lit up. So you're leaving yourself in a position of wondering, what will the Ayatollah do in that situation? Will he just go, shit, you got me, and back down? Or will he start lighting up American targets? Why on earth we want to find that out? You know, like, why on earth we want to roll the dice to maybe get a bunch of Americans killed and maybe get drawn into a wider war and then kill a whole bunch of Iranians in response when they're a country that poses absolutely no threat to us? That's ridiculous. But that seems to be where we're at right now. And I'm not sure exactly what would happen. You know, the. The Moas talk a big game, but they always talk a big game. And I've actually been surprised how much they've backed down over the years. So I don't know. We will see. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cowboy Colostrum. If you finally want to fix your gut, make your hair healthier and stronger, and add some glow to your skin in 2026, you need to add colostrum to your daily routine. Now, unlike other Colostrum brands, Cowboy Colostrum is true first day whole colostrum rich in bioactives. Unlike other Colostrum brands, Cowboy Colostrum is true first day whole colostrum. Cowboy Colostrum isn't processed or stripped down. Their colostrum is whole, full fat and high in protein for ultimate nutrient density, making it the highest quality bovine colostrum you can buy. Cowboy is easy to drink and is made with delicious natural ingredients and no artificial flavors. 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C (61:54)

I mean, you're certainly flirting with the problem that you guys just have boats out there and you're having interactions with their drones at the moment. Yeah, it kind of feels like you're looking for an escalation.

B (62:07)

Sure does. Sure does. And. And even. It sure feels that way. And even if you're not looking for an escalation, the thing about wars is you start putting your guys in harm's way and you might get that escalation whether you're looking for it or not. So that's the situation out of. As of right now. They're look, they're just. Like I said, it was just reported earlier today that Iran's pulling out because the deals won't be just about the nuclear talks. Over the last week, there's been a bunch of other Arab countries and European countries who have stepped up to offer to facilitate negotiations. Maybe we can get back to a place like that. You know, Iran also. This has also been reported in multiple outlets that Iran refused direct negotiations and said they'll only enter into third party negotiations, which makes a lot of sense given the way they got burned last time, that they want as many other people to be there as possible, to also be like, hey, you were here too. You saw this deal. We will see and we will keep talking about it. All right, guys, we're leaving for Key west tomorrow. Catch you guys soon. Peace.