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Dave
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Rob
Well, I've got a message of hope, though, which is you can come see me in D.C. this weekend and celebrate some porches down at Pub Key. And listen, I'm still getting the message out. I got a whole. I'm doing stand up and a whole conspiracy podcast about what the FBI is up to. So don't let these bastards win the fight. Come out, support, get together with your fellow porch enthusiasts and. And you know, we got to do what we still can. I might not be able to expose the Epstein files, but I can at least try and make some jokes at the FBI's expense.
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Dave
Dude, judging by the. The Thomas Massie party they were having last night, there might still be some people partying there by the time you get down there. I mean, those guys.
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Rob
Was that in. Was that in D.C. or Kentucky? Maybe I should change the show to Kentucky and see if I can catch the day three of the Thomas Massey party.
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Dave
There you go. So, all right, look.
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Rob
Port store dot com.
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Dave
Sorry, Port store, Port store dot com of course, comicdav smith dot com for all of our ticket links. So, yeah, look, the. The primary was last night and Thomas Massey was unseated. That is the. That was the big news of last night. And the big.
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Rob
He lost to a plank of wood.
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Dave
He. He. Well, he lost to a deep state operative. Literally. I mean, literally. The guy I, the guy who ran against Thomas Massie, he said he, he has an unbelievable track record, but it's all top secret. But man, if you knew. If you knew. Anyway, so I wanted to give a few. A few thoughts on this. Obviously, I feel like everyone in this world has been given their take on it. I've. And I think particularly a lot of people were waiting for hours. So I'll say this. I was Texting with Liam McCollum earlier today, young Liam, who's a brilliant young libertarian in our camp. And he was a big Thomas Massey supporter and he had, he, he was telling me, you know, just like basically he's like, oh man, I'm devastated by this. Which, you know, understandably. And, and look, of course, maybe I should preface by saying that I don't want this to come off like it's cope or something like that. Like, I'm disappointed that Thomas Massey lost. Obviously. It would have been amazing to be able to pull this one off despite them pulling out all of the stops, which we'll get into in a second. But you know, okay, we, we didn't win that. Still, I think this is a really interesting moment and I gotta say I'm, I'm seeing the silver lining in this in a way now. So anyway, so he was texting me, he was upset and I sent him back. What's it called again? The. Oh man. I remembered it when I, when I text it to him. But have you ever heard that old Chinese story, I think it's called the parable of the Farmer. So it's a, it's like, it's like an old Chinese story. Alan Watts is like a popular philosopher. He, he loved this and he would bring it up a lot. The story basically goes, the story goes something along the lines of. So there's like a Chinese, an ancient Chinese like peasant farmer and as his horse runs away and his neighbors come to him and they go, oh my God, that's such bad luck. And he goes, maybe. And then the next day his horse comes back and it brings with him four wild horses. And his neighbors go, oh my God, that's such good luck. And he goes, maybe. And then the next day his son is riding one of the wild horses and he falls off and he breaks his leg. And his neighbors say that's such bad luck. And he says maybe. And then the next day the army comes to conscript all of the able bodied men to go fight in a war. But his son gets off because he's got a broken leg. And they say that's such good luck. And he says maybe. And it just kind of, I, I forget exactly where it wraps up. But that's the old story.
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Rob
And, and the idea in a socialist government.
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Dave
Well, yeah, that's the, you know, look, it turned out. And then Ma Tung starred them all to death. That's something. Yada, yada, yada, something like that. But there really was. It was a bit of a special moment yesterday. And I particularly loved Thomas Massie's energy at the speech that he gave afterward. It was real Ron Paul, happy warrior type vibes. Look, we lost. We lost a race that we cared about a lot, and we will now lose the absolute best member of the House of Representatives. But something else kind of happened in this race. And I will say, like, I think there's a real silver lining here. There's a real kind of like, beautiful thing that just opened up. Yes, they beat Thomas Massie. They got him, but it took everything. Rob. They were desperate. I mean, not only did they pour in more money than has ever been poured into a congressional race in American history, or world history, for that matter. Not like anyone else is spending more money on politics than we do. Like, there has never been more resources put into a political contest in the history of humanity. You know, I get it per capita, I'm not saying like national races and stuff like that, but still, it's pretty, it's pretty incredible. They pour. The latest estimate that they're putting out now is $32 million from the Israel Lobby put into this one, you know, congressional district. Not only that, Donald Trump went, not only endorsed his opponent, but viciously attacked Thomas Massie as the worst congressman in the history of, of the Congress or something like that. Donald Trump was tweeting ferociously yesterday, Rob. He doesn't tweet the President. He doesn't tweet about the war in Iran. He posts on Truth Social. But when it comes to Thomas Massie, he's on Twitter making sure every last person he could get to see it, saw his message. Fox News had a complete blackout of Thomas Massie. Wouldn't have him on, on the show at all. I wouldn't have him on any other shows while they were featuring his opponent on their highest rated shows. Right. You know, right wing, Boomer radio all went in big against him, too. Donald Trump sent Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, who is conducting an ongoing war, to Kentucky, to Kentucky. Thomas Massie was making fun of this dude. They put off the war for a day and sent the Secretary of War down there to campaign against Thomas Massie. They had to throw all of that at the wall to get the result, which was, Rob, I mean, as we knew this was going to be the case, right? To get the result. That was all right, you beat him 55, 45. And he took 100% of the youth. 100%. Like, what this operation essentially did was turn Idiot boomers against Thomas Massie. And that sucks. And I, I shouldn't be rude when I say idiot because some of them are like genuinely victims of propaganda and are probably good people, but idiot in the sense that they're, they can't, they don't know enough to see through the propaganda. But it took all of that. And I think, in a way, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Rob, but what I'm left feeling is kind of like, all right, that you got Thomas Massie out, but in a sense, like some battle lines were kind of drawn here. Okay. It was such a clear demonstration that Thomas Massie for, for the crime of governing as he campaigned for the crime of standing up for what he's always said he believed in. The Israel lobby and the entire Trump administration and the Fox News apparatus decided to unseat this guy from, from Congress. But it took everything they have and it only worked because of the boomers who are dying out. I don't know. You know, it's an interesting line to, to delineate and I think that in, in many ways, obviously this coalition has already been broken up. Obviously we are already out of the Trump world. But now it's more explicit that like, oh, yeah, and you guys don't want us. You went after our number one guy. Okay, cool. New battle lines are being drawn here. And I think, in my humble opinion, I think last night potentially birthed a new movement in this country with a leader, and that leader is Thomas Massie. Now, people can, you know, the, the again, the, the people out there, which we'll get into in a second, but all the people out there who are, are defending Trump and the commentators on social media, they'll sit here and try to say, oh, oh, look, Dave's spinning a primary loss in Kentucky as Massey's the leader of. But the issue that they have is that the people who are listening to these arguments in this world, in the podcast world, on social media, aren't boomers. And we can see through your bullshit. This campaign is not going to work in this world. Maybe it works for the 75 year olds watching Fox News, but it's not going to work in this world. You could sit there and we'll get into some of the reactions. All them saying, oh, this proves Trump has the juice and Massey doesn't have the juice. Like, nah, dude, this proved that $32 million can influence a congressional campaign, which we all knew already. Rob, it's the most. Yes, if you pour more money into a campaign than has Ever been poured into a congressional race? You can move some points on there, but dude, the battle lines are drawn. Thomas Massie is the most popular political figure amongst young people in the country. And the issues that the Israel lobby unseated him for are overwhelmingly popular. Running a national race or even a national Republican primary race as should release the Epstein files. We shouldn't fight more stupid wars. We should balance the budget. We shouldn't have giant spending bills. Let's see how that works. No, no, no. There's a new movement. Thomas Massey is the leader of it. And let me tell you guys something. This movement could be very powerful. This, this movement could win ultimately. So I do think, like, I don't want to hear any of this, like black pill doomer. Like there's a real opportunity that was opened up here and I think that's what we should focus on. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Trollco, A brand new sponsor we're thrilled to have on board. Trollco was built by two guys from the oil patch who were sick of clothing companies pretending blue collar workers didn't exist. While most brands chase trends and influencers, Trollco was made for the people who work with their hands, solve real problems, and keep the world running. No handouts, no shortcuts, just respect for the overlooked guys doing physical, demanding, essential work every single day. 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Rob
Yeah, well, I guess I'll start off on what you were just saying, which is I agree with all of it and I just hope Thomas Massie actually has an interest in that opportunity because he certainly put up a hell of a fight. And if he wants to go live his life now, I can respect that as well. Luckily, we get six more months of him and I hope he gives him hell while he's there and exposes everyone he can and just puts up as much of a fight as he can. But I do agree with you that the tide is turning amongst the younger voters. And it's incredible. It felt like Covid that the fact that Thomas Massie could lose and you're just like, how are you other people not seeing this? How are you older? How are you guys being suckered by a dollar spent on Fox News that, hey, we all just need to be in line with Trump? Are you not at your house right now concerned about prices? Have you not heard about the Epstein storyline at all? Are you supporting this war? I mean, how can it be that just a single ad on Fox News of we're team Republican, that guy's not team Republican. What team are you? Oh, I'm team Republican. I better go vote against that guy. And then particularly when it's a guy who's been in your area forever and, you know, has been dominating these races up until $35 million was weaponized against him, it's really just incredible. It feels like Covid, where you just sit around and go, how is there this much disconnect between myself, the way I see the world and these other people? Particularly when I know I'm right and I grew up in the same country as you. Like, that was the feeling during COVID Like, when did we all just get so into, hey, government told us to do something, so I'm gonna do it. And in this case, how are there so many people who just watch Fox news see a 30 second campaign ad and go, oh, TV ad says this guy not Republican. It's incredible that these tricks still work on people. And I was real depressed about it just because not only is Massey the best we got, but it's easy. You know, we talk on the sidelines and I think we make an impact, but he's actually doing things, and it showcases these storylines in a way that you and I can't. When Congress is actually pushing for Epstein accountability, that's different than when you and I are talking about it and it forces everyone else to talk about it. When you and I are going, hey, this budget doesn't make sense. You're spending more money than we can afford. You know, it's nice. We're educating people. I'm not saying we're not doing anything, but when Massey actually, like, holds up a bill and then every news station has to talk about it, that is more impactful and it also makes the news more interesting to cover because then the truth storylines are actually rising to the top.
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Dave
No, no, there's no question. There's real value in having a Thomas Massie in Congress and of course, getting the Epstein files, like, we, you know what I mean? Like, that's. Yeah, there's, there's real value to that. And we lost that, no question.
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Rob
But hey, I'm hoping maybe him and Marjorie Taylor Greene that do something together. Give them a TV show in the morning. Massey Marger Taylor Greene in the morning. Turn it into a campaign run. Epstein accountability. True America. First party. Get the best party.
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Dave
Listen, I, I was, you know, I have Massey's cell phone number and we've texted back and forth a few times before, and I was kind of thinking of texting. I didn't yet, because I just kind of felt like, all right, first off, his phone's probably blown up like crazy. So I gave, like, I waited last night and this morning. I think I'm going to text him this afternoon and just thank him for, for everything he did. And then, you know, just maybe lightly say, clearly, God wants you to run for president or whatever. You know, I'm. Shoot him a text. But, hey, man, look, there's somebody has to run on this lane in 2028. And clearly now Massey has just been set up to be the guy. And listen, again, people can try to spin this however they want to, but I do think you guys have made a political martyr out of Thomas Massie in a way. Now, no matter what he does next, I think he's just at a different. He's at a different level to have an impact culturally. And then, yes, Rob, what you're saying, he's got seven months left to keep having that impact as a congressman. And I do think that a lot of what you're saying also becomes true if, say, he was a presidential candidate. Now, he has told people, look, I'll, I'll. I don't like saying things that were said in private, but he is, it's been reported, so I'll just say it, too. He has told me, too, that he was like, if he loses this race, that's it. He's stepping away. Still, I hope he reconsiders that. I think that the narrative of this, like, writes itself is just so juiced. Like, literally, a foreign government's lobby unseated a congressman for not being supportive of that foreign government. And people right now, there is a massive effort. I guess one of the things that we've learned, or maybe not learned, but that's been reinforced from the Thomas Massie campaign, is that this effort will work on boomers who only watch Fox News and don't watch anything else. It will not work where the people like at the Daily Wire are trying to. They'll just continue to lose viewership and every. And remain a laughingstock, as they rightfully should be. All of them, by the way, all of them over there rightfully should be. But the effort now, Rob, is to spin this, which, you know, understandably, if you're a Fox News viewer and you just don't know anything about anything and you're just not being given the information, you could understand where superficially, this might pass the smell test or whatever, but the. The propaganda now is going to be, well, hey, look, we had a contest, and clearly the Republican people are with Donald Trump and they're again, these podcasters. Who cares who these podcasters pick? Oh, Thomas Massie had Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. That doesn't matter. Republican voters like Donald Trump and blah, blah, blah. And that. So that's part of the spin. And then the other spin is the other part of the propaganda is going to be like, what was this about? Why did Congress Massey get unseated? And their answer will be, well, you know, he was just a thorn in the side of President Trump. He just did. He was disloyal. He didn't support his agenda, and Donald Trump needs somebody in there to support his agenda. So real quickly, let's just go through both of these fucking lies, because there's. It's such bullshit and it's so easy to prove that it's wrong.
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Rob
But go ahead. Yeah, two things on that. Just. First is, you know, I always wondered what is special about Kentucky that you seem to have both Rand Paul and Thomas Massie from that location and nobody else seems to be able to get up. Honest individuals, everyone's kind of playing the sport and the team game. And I guess I assume maybe there was just a more libertarian attitude out there. But I think my takeaway from this election is just that it was small enough that the big money wasn't that concerned with it. And, you know, I guess in this case, just. Just the big money won.
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Dave
The thing is, it is, and particularly Thomas Massie's district, it is a little bit of an outsider district and it is a little bit more libertarian leaning. And that's why even those boomers in his district were kind of willing to listen to Thomas Massie and go like, yeah, okay, this makes sense. This is a real Tea Party message. We like that. But it turns out they're also just susceptible to being very loyal to Donald Trump, as Republican boomers tend to be. It's his most loyal demographic, and they get Their news from Fox News and they were just kind of told constantly that this guy had morphed into some Democrat and all of a sudden now he's like friends with AOC and man, he's against Trump and with aoc. Who is this guy? He must have changed. Meanwhile he stayed exactly the same, you know, and it was Trump who did a 180.
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Rob
But this is the real sadness to me is for those that are celebrating it, ignore the polls. Actually the entire Republican Party is still behind Donald Trump in the last midterms. From what I remember, Donald Trump's picks did very well basically at winning the, you know, the race to be the front runner for that the party. And then they did not do well in the general elections. So the fact that I don't think the guy that Massie just lost to is going to lose cuz that district is so Republican. But some of these other Donald Trump picks, I don't know that they're going to actually win. And this is just, to me the saddest part about the whole thing is I refuse to support Democrats because the second they have power, they're worse and in a different way. But now we're going to be in an environment where the people who are checking Donald Trump's power are the Democrats and the people who might be trying to get us out of this war are the Democrats. The people that might be talking about why are we sending so much support over to Israel. The Democrats and I watch congressional hearings now and the people that I hate are making good points against the administration when it comes to the Epstein files, when it comes to the Iran war. And so you might actually have the Democrats do well in the midterms and it actually gets us out of some of these messes and has some forces, some culpability on the Trump administration. And I just, I mean, I hate that. At least if Massie was there, you know, you could point to one good Republican slash libertarian who's pushing it, but who wants to give that win to the Democrats.
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Dave
No, and look in the areas where Massie broke and voted with Democrats. It was things like the War Powers act, it was things like the Epstein filed release. It was like, I mean these were issues where the Democrats were on the right side of it. Sorry, that's just the way it is. No, I will say, you know, to your point before, before we go into trying to break down these two propaganda angles that I just mentioned, because that is important to do, you know, when you said before about like people, you know, this, this Like, I won, you know, or whatever. It's like they just want to be on Team Republican or Team this. And the same type of people going, haha, you guys lost, we won. It's always a funny thing in, in politics when people have this attitude because it's. You'll literally have a dynamic where some random guy on social media is going, haha, Dave, you lost, I won. And then he gets off social media and he goes to fill up his gas tank and he's like, $85. Jesus. All right, man, that just fucked up my week. Okay. You know, it's like, yeah, you won, dude, totally. What did you win exactly? The war that you didn't even want last year until you were told you wanted it anyway. People are, you know, are very tribal. Is think about, you know, human beings are like that. Human beings like to go to football stadiums and lose their mind over whether team blue gets a ball over a line. And they know it means nothing. They know consciously that this means absolutely nothing. And it's just a game that men play. But like, they lose their mind and identify and feel really good when their team. Again, I'm not knocking football, I like football, but it's just the nature of kind of who people are. Anyway, look, with the, the idea that Donald Trump, as many of these people will be pushing that this proves that Donald Trump just has the juice. Well, obviously, Rob, I mean, you kind of already got at this, but if that's the case, that Donald Trump just has the juice in the Republican Party even then why the $32 million, you know, like it does. If it was just the case that Donald Trump has the juice, you would think Donald Trump could have just said, you know, I endorse this guy, not him, his tweets about it. He's the worst. He's the best. That should have been enough, right? Like, clearly it at least they didn't think that was going to be enough. They also had to pour in more money than has ever been poured in in any congressional contest ever. Like, so yeah, it doesn't really, if you know anything about this, add up at all that this is just that. The takeaway from this is just that Donald Trump is so popular and Thomas Massie is so unpopular or something like that. Obviously this money came pouring in. There was this huge concerted effort. So no, it's not just that Donald Trump has the juice, because otherwise they wouldn't have had to do this. If he just had the juice, they would have just run with that. But they knew that wouldn't be enough. So they knew he didn't actually have the juice to just squash Thomas Massie. And then kind of the second part of that, which is fairly obvious if you pay attention to it, but is the why? Why did they do this? Why Thomas Massey? You know, we had one guy in the House and it was important enough to them to get him out of there. Now what are they going to say, Rob? It's because he voted against the big beautiful bill which ultimately passed. Is that really why? I mean, I'm just saying, like, if it was just about being disloyal. Donald Trump, I mean, I mean, his vice president called him Adolf Hitler a few years ago and people have been disloyal to Donald Trump and he's gotten over that. You know, if it was, if it just was about not voting with Donald Trump, I mean, they don't put this much effort into unseating Democrats. Dude, there was Mitt Romney voted to impeach Donald Trump. They didn't put this much money into unseating him. He was a Republican in Congress in Donald Trump's first term who voted to impeach him. I'm just saying, like Thomas Massie still votes with you 77% of the time or whatever it is. It's not that. You just really needed to get this thorn in your side out, obviously. What is it? Okay, well, Thomas Massie, by the way, even when Thomas Massie broke with Donald Trump in his first term and Donald Trump was talking all types of shit, they didn't put money like this in against him. So what was different this time, Rob? He got the fucking Epstein files released. He humiliated the Trump administration for covering up this scandal and, and, and putting into the light that they're still covering it up and not even releasing the files even though Trump signed it into law. They also broke down on the Tucker Carlson show how apac, every single member of Congress except him has an APAC handler. By the way, AIPAC is celebrating him being overthrown. They're celebrating that. They. Here, let me see if I can pull up the APAC tweet. I mean, this is how crazy it is, Rob. This is this. I know this is just an anti semitic conspiracy theory, but here's APEC on it. Ed Gallerin's victory in Kentucky and Clay Fuller's win in Georgia ensure two outspoken pro Israel voices are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Our community was proud to help pro Israel candidates win these races. Well, we're proud to Help. We're proud to have helped make this happen. And the reason why we're doing it is because now we've got two people who will send your tax dollars to a foreign country versus two people who were against doing that. There it is, spelled out for you. So just like. All I'm saying is that in this world, like, this race broke down, you know, you saw the polls. It was like people between 70 and 80 were like, plus 55 for Massey's opponent, and people between like, like 20 and. And 45, 55 were like, plus 50 for Massey. It's like this clear generational line, and it's obviously a reflection of. Of what media you're listening to, what information you're getting. And all I'm saying is that in this world, for the people getting their media in this ecosystem, we all see exactly what this is. It's clear as day. Sorry, go ahead, Rob.
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Rob
Yeah, and it's really gonna amplify that dividing line, because anyone that's actually awake and following politics sees that the machine is so corrupt that they just spent $35 million to unseat a person who's trying to get us out of foreign wars and clean up the deep state and expose the Epstein files. And people just realize how corrupt and how corrupt this system is. And so amongst the younger generations that are following new media, I mean, this is what gives Massie the pathway if he wants to actually do something bigger and run for president. But I do think you're right that, you know, 10, 15 years down the line, I bet we're still gonna be hearing about this, of, hey, this is how corrupt AIPAC was. They managed to spend $35 million to get rid of a congressman because he exposed the Epstein files. I mean, this is really as pure of a showcase as you can get of how corrupt the machine is. And I think amongst people that aren't the dumb boomers and the COVID people who just will accept anything the government tells them, this is a shining example of the corruption.
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Dave
Yep. No, absolutely. That's right. And I think, obviously another huge element of this is that the guy refused to debate Thomas Massie. And I just. Look, the thing about it is, is you go is you look at it like this. Obviously, you know, $32 million in. In a congressional race makes a big difference. Okay, but now let's let you know, I saw Oren McIntyre before, who I like, but he even said to. I guess Liam McCollum had said something about Thomas Massie running in 2028, which, by the way. There's a lot of, there's. There's a lot of enthusiasm for. There's. I'm just saying, I mean, obviously this is, this is not scientific. This is just me. But I posted on Twitter last night that Thomas Massey should run for President. It's got like a hundred thousand likes on it. Like, people are really behind that message, you know. And so Orrin McIntyre goes. He goes, come on, guys, you're being delusional here. You just lost a primary in Kentucky. Now you think you're going to win the, the Republican nominee for president. And it's like, now, dude, I don't think this is being delusional at all. I think this is looking at like the, the realities here. Like, the fact is that, look, Thomas Massie had won his previous primaries with like 85%, 72%, like huge margins. He was very popular there. Not like it, like, because Oren had said, like, you can't even win a primary. It goes. Thomas Massey won many primaries. He absolutely can win a primary. Yes, he couldn't combat this concerted campaign in this particular district. But I'm just saying the dynamics in a Republican primary for President are totally different. He's going to be on the debate stage. They're not going to be able to duck debates with him. He's going to be getting his message out. And what. Look at all of the issues. I mean, covering up the Epstein file, that 80% of the country is on his side on this issue, not fighting the war in Iran. Super duper majorities of the American people are with him on this. He is going to. If he could be the one where no one else in this administration can do it now, he can credibly, with real hardcore street cred, run as the America first candidate. That is where the overwhelming majority of the Republican base is. And again, in this environment, if he's running for, for president and he's doing well, it's going to be impossible for Fox News to block out in the same way that they did here. The Internet will be able to put too much pressure on that in, in a presidential campaign. So I don't think it's delusional at all. I think right now, I believe very much Thomas Massey could win the Republican presidential primary. Not saying it's a guarantee, and yes, they would come for him, but how much worse are they going to do than he already. He already just went through a maximum. They're coming with everything they have campaign against him. So I absolutely think he could do that. And he would lead A hardcore movement. And he would have mass appeal to be able to put together a coalition. The only coalition that Republicans can put together and win is the one that Donald Trump put together that Thomas Massie could really do. Also appeal to independence, also appeal to a lot of left leaning people also. He is the type of guy who could start a mass movement like that. And you know, much like Ron Paul, it's not because he's like, particularly, and I don't mean this as an insult at all to Thomas Massie, who I very much admire, but it's not that he's the tallest guy or has the most presidential hair, or that he's the most polished guy or he's the best at giving a public speech. His power really is in the fact that he's a clearly decent, honest human being. And there's something about that that is such, it creates such a juxtaposition between other politicians and him. 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That's sheathunderwear.com promo code PROBLEM For 20% off. All right, let's get back into the show. Let me, I just want to just. There's a bunch of people that I, I don't know. I just, I, I almost want to blast all of them. It is, in a weird way, it is perfect for all of the people kind of being like you guys, you know, oh, you libertarians, if you don't get 100% of what you want, you, you leave or blah, blah, blah, you know, oh, we don't get 100% of what we want. Dude, we had one fucking congressman and you are fucking lying war criminal piece of shit President sent everything in the book to unseat them. So fuck you. Yeah, we're out of the coalition. Not that we wanted to be in it anymore too. But now just for all those people and particularly for all the people at Daily Wire, all the Benny Johnson and all, you know, like all the pro Trump commentators who stamp who knifed Thomas Massie in the back like the little bitches that they are either for the Israel lobby or because they're too much of cowards to stand up to their boss or to the lobby or whatever. These were people who were prais teasing Thomas Massie two years ago saying he's the best congressman in the world. Charlie Kirk said he was the best congressman in the country where the was Turning Point USA during this whole thing. Didn't say a word about it all a bunch of cowards, all you guys. Yes. We're not in a political coalition with you. We don't wish to be. And I hope there's an opportunity for us to be a huge thorn in your side and cause you political losses in the future. Like I wouldn't do that unless I thought it was good for the country or whatever. But I hope there's an opportunity. I think there probably will be. But. So I don't. But just picking up. Well, here's, here's what Jake Tapper, by the way, at cnn. This is the. He'll have the same line as Ben Shapiro and that'll tell you something. Here's Jake Tapper. Supporters of Israel have long opposed Massey, but he lost tonight because President Trump wanted him defeated. And Trump is incredibly popular in his district and in the gop. You know, there's, yeah, supporters of Israel don't like Massie, but he lost because Donald Trump is just so much more popular. You know this like the president with his lowest approval ratings ever. One of the least, one of the least popular presidents in modern American history. He's just so popular that and the $32 million which Jake Tapper conveniently leaps out. I liked this one. I thought I'd read this. This is from our Dan Bongino, friend of the show. All right, Dan Bongino posts. Turns out that Jimmy, Dave, Igor, Ryan and an assortment of Jew hating life losers, disgruntled libbed, disgruntled libs, sexual deviants, leg humpers, drunks and failed comedians. I think that's me. Really aren't a great coalition for winning a conservative primary election in real life. Shocker. We didn't ask for this ideological War. They did, and we finished it. Matter of fact, we didn't even invite them to this party. They invited themselves, and then they in the punch bowl, and now they're playing dumb as to why we threw their asses out. Isn't that interesting why we threw. We came in, we shit in the punch bowl, and they threw our asses out. You know, I remember how psyched Charlie Kirk was when I announced I was gonna vote for Donald Trump and I endorsed him. Like, oh, my God, he was fucking thrilled. Oh, dude. I mean, I got nothing but love from the MAGA world. Of course, because the presidential election's coming up and anytime someone with any size audience is like, who was on the fence? Goes, I'm in. They're like, yeah, let's go. All of them seemed real happy. It's really crazy, Rob, that this message never came up in 2024 that you guys didn't want us in the coalition because, you know, you know, Rob, you may remember this, that's. I know a lot of happens, but Donald Trump came somewhere to speak in 2024. There's a national convention. Not the Republican one. It was a different party. Oh, yeah, that's right. He came to the Libertarian Party to speak to specifically court our vote. We mean, no one invited us in. The fucking President of the United States of America explicitly invited us in. Worked with the chair of the Libertarian Party to work out a deal where he could come in speech and make his pitch to vote for us. Even tried to get our nomination at one point, but due to the rules, wasn't allowed to do that. But so just to be clear here, so everybody can see, right, okay, Donald Trump, let's like, let's actually tell this story as it happened. Donald Trump explicitly asked for us to come in. He promised no new wars. And you, sir, promised to release the Epstein files. Then you guys broke those promises and we got upset about it. And now you're saying no one invited you here. That's in the punch bowl to expect you to do the thing you said you were going to do five minutes ago. Okay, so if you tried to court us, then you made these promises, you were lying through your teeth. Then you, you did exactly the opposite. Now you're saying, yeah, you never wanted to be a part of us and it doesn't matter. And again, conveniently leaving out all that Israel lobby money that you needed, acting like you did this when it was really Miriam Adelson who did this. But okay, cool, cool. Yeah, we're out. I already left this coalition a Long time ago. You're not kicking me out. This is, you know, it's like that old Chris Rock joke. It's like me protesting Rihanna's pussy. I wasn't invited. We already left. You can't fire me. I quit. Dan Bongino. But okay, remember this. In the midterms, remember this wonderful political strategy of telling people that you don't want them in your movement. Okay, let's see how this works out for you.
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Rob
It's like Hillary Clinton calling people deplorables. Yeah, yeah.
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Dave
Thor. What they were running on.
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Rob
On that note, I'd like to know how much the FBI is tracking my activity. That he knows I'm a leg humper. I didn't realize that that was out there.
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Dave
And then also, you were begging to get caught.
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Rob
Yeah. And lastly, you know, if your punch bowl is filled with getting us into more wars and protecting the pedophiles, I'll shit in that thing. Yeah, that's a shitty punch bowl.
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Dave
I mean, that's right. Look, man, it's. You just. Again, it's like I said, like the guy celebrating while all of you know, like, they're just losing at life. They feel like they're winning because their political candidate won or something like that. But it's just like, this is. Look, obviously this is one more example of the establishment winning. And, yeah, that. That sucks. And if people want to celebrate that the establishment won on this one, like, okay, go ahead. I mean, think about the lack of. Of foresight, Rob, right? I mean, you got. Let's just say you're. You're a huge Trump supporter, okay? Just like, try to put yourself in that perspective, right? So, I mean, if you're a huge Trump supporter, you gotta try to find a way to win these midterms, man. Because if the Democrats come back in there, they're going to impeach him. They're going to stall his agenda. It's going to be really, really tough. Obviously, Donald Trump launched a war that's very, very unpopular, and it is really not going good as of right now. You're like, okay, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to alienate a wildly popular grassroots figure who is the most popular politician amongst young people in the country. Let's get rid. Let's go to war with him. And then after he loses, after we essentially steal it from him legally, but steal it from him. Let's mock his supporters, really make a. Like, just think about this is. This is retarded politics. Because, like, again, like, People like Dan Bongino are not smart people. So this is your okay. Seems like an interesting, an interesting strategy. Let's see how it pays off. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Lucy. I gotta tell you about Lucy nicotine pouches. I'm a big pouch guy, as you guys may know. 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Look, they got what they wanted and I think the, the reason why the Israel lobby spent made such an effort to go after Thomas Massie is, you know, obviously because he was a thorn in their side and because they need, they, in their estimation, they feel they needed to send a message to everybody else in on Capitol Hill. It's like, yo, this, you will be gone. We will come for you if you do this. Even someone as popular in his own district as Thomas Massie, we could get him out. But you know, the flip side to that, Rob, is like you look at the demographics, you look at where the younger people are, you look at how they're going to be taking over more and more percentage of the voting base as time goes on. And you go, how many races can they do this in? You know, like if, if they had five Thomas Massey's this go round, they'd have been in trouble. I don't think they have that much money. Like, I mean, I mean, I guess Miriam Adelson can dig pretty deep. But you know, they had to go so all out that it will be tough for them to do this like over and over again. That being said, if people who are, are, you know, their take on this is that they're down on the democratic process or something like that. Well, like, yeah, of course I'm, you're not wrong to be down on that. Yeah, democracy is all an illusion, and it's probably better off that it is. But Thomas Massie really may have just kicked something off here, and that's how I feel about it. Like, I really do look at this and go, like, I. I kind of felt like last night that a movement was born. I was, like, very curious what Thomas Massie's energy was going to be like after that. And I just. I really loved it. I loved that he didn't have the attitude of, like, a guy who had just lost. He had the attitude of, like, a guy who not only had just been, like, kind of vindicated, but that had. Was just surrounded by good people who loved him with a really positive energy in the room. I don't know if you saw any of the videos of the other guy's event, Rob, but there's. There's like 17 boomers there, dude. All his money came from outside of Kentucky. It's just, this was a very clear race of, like, what's really going on. And again, this is the counterfactual, I guess. But there is strong evidence that people don't tend to just waste $32 million. The reason they poured that money in there is because we would have won in a fair fight. And they know it. That's why they had to pour it in. There's something encouraging to me about that.
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Rob
Yeah. As you were mentioning that the ad Ed Gallerin party was quite lackluster. You know, listen, I. I don't know what his military record is. You got to be somewhat of an impressive individual to become a seal. So I can't really disparage him, you know, perhaps as a guy, but as a politician. He's not particularly charismatic or sharp as a politician. And I think as you. My guess is he's going to be real quiet and just a guy who votes along party lines. But the extent that you might see him on the news, I think it's just going to showcase the extent by which the machine just platformed an absolute plank of wood. He's just not. You know what I mean? From a political standpoint, he's a nothing. He's literally a zero. If he had been in a debate, those clips would have made their way online and he would have been a mockery. And to whatever extent he gets on news shows and actually talks his mind, he will be mocked down the line. And I think there is a problem at the moment that Donald Trump did showcase. Hey, I've got the mic to unseat you if you're gonna oppose me. But as the entire country is turning away from Donald Trump, it's gonna be a real problem for the Republican Party.
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Dave
Yeah, no question. I mean, they've really, they've, they've really wedded themselves to a sinking ship, you know, and, and you're watching it happen right in front of you. Yeah, it is, it's very interesting. And again, the, you know, even the people bragging right now, it's like, look, dude, this is like if you actually care about the country, you're actually concerned about the threat that the Democrats pose. And that's why we've got to get Republicans who support Thomas Massey or whatever. It's like this was a closed Republican primary. In other words, Democrats and independents can't vote in it. This is just Republicans with, with a district that is heavily skews Boomer. It's like, dude, as soon as, like these ideas, this, like, you know, unconditional support of Israel and pretending the Israel lobby doesn't exist and this whole kind of like that, this is you, you can't make contact with anything outside of Republican boomers for your ideas to fall apart. And when you start getting into young people, independents, Democrats, I mean, you're talking about national elections. This shit is just, this is guaranteed to go down in flames. There's no, you're not winning a presidential campaign with this. So it's going to be some interesting choices over the next few years for the Republicans to make, because as you said, Rob, you're absolutely right. They're tying themselves to this most unpopular position that is still bleeding in popularity. Like it's still getting worse and worse and worse. And I do, you know, as I've been saying for a couple months now, I still, at least from my analysis of it, I still think that Trump's still got this huge rude awakening that's about to come, like he hasn't faced the worst of it yet. And the worst of it is going to be when it becomes clear that the war in Iran led to a catastrophe, which is, I think, coming in one form or another. You know, whether it's. We just stop. Whether it's. Best case scenario, we just stop. And then we realize, oh shit, we just handed them control of the Strait of Hormuz. Or at the very least, we triggered a thing that made them use the fact that they have control of the Straight of Horus for the first time at least, you know, the first time in, in this type of consequential way. And. Or we're going to go back to escalation, a lot more people are going to die, and then we'll still be in the same situation. But when that comes due, I mean, Donald Trump's I, I, I could see him dropping another 10 points in the, in the polls. I, I, I think this is going to go really bad. Anyway, in conclusion, look, man, Thomas Massie is, he's really an American hero, dude. For all the work he's done, he ran a great campaign. He's genuinely a great guy. And I hope he runs for president in 2028. I'm going to try to convince him to do it. I'm not sure he'll listen to that.
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Rob
And if not, he's got six months to give him hell, and I hope he utilizes every second of it.
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Dave
Yep, yep. And, and then just in closing, like, you know, again, no, no being down. You know, Tom Hanks said there's no crying in baseball. There's no, no, like, pessimism allowed. No black. But, like, it's okay. It's okay to feel these losses and to be hurt by them. But, like, I don't know, dude. There's, this is incredible. They had to go, they had to go through all of that just to get Thomas Massie. And I will say there's four people like, like in our camp ideologically for the, the libertarian, Ron Paulian type people. You know, Thomas Massie has really been, at least, certainly in the House of Representatives, kind of like the only guy we have. You know, we had Ron Paul for a little bit. We had Justin Amash, and, and we had Thomas Massie. That's, that's who we've had. And, and Ron Paul and Justin Mosh are not in Congress anymore and Thomas Massey's our guy. And hey, doesn't it say something that just us having one guy was this much of a threat to them? You know what I mean? Like, just, just as having one guy in there who did they want to unseat? It's not, you know, you got all these Democratic socialists out there, right, who think that they are, like, in opposition to the system system or something like that. How come Mary adelon isn't sending $30 million to unseat them? Right? Like, if it was just about Trump and Trump's power, why not the guys who vote to impeach and remove him? What, how come they don't get taken out? Oh, no, it's that the thing is that we are the ones who are really a threat to the system. And, and that's why they had to, you know, really pull out all the guns to try to get our guy out of there. And there's something kind of encouraging about that. I mean, imagine you have, you have one guy in there and he's such a threat that the establishment has to pull out all of their, they have to, they have to summon all of their resources to get this guy out. And you sit there and you have all the young people on your side. I don't know. That doesn't seem like such a terrible place to be if you ask me. All right, last word to you, Rob.
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Rob
Please come out Washington, D.C. this Sunday doing stand up and a comedic presentation about FBI entrapment schemes. It's going to be a fun day and I'll be bringing a message of hope.
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Dave
All right, Thomas Massey, 2028. Catch you guys next time. Peace.
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