C (7:51)

And that's just in one day. That was one day of looking at the files. Already a pretty big admission that things were improperly redacted. And they're covering their ass, I guess, by redacting it. I think the Thomas Massie play is Clever of I'm not going to name this stuff because I'm going to try and force their hand to do it. And then there was also a claim which was interesting that some of the information was redacted, I guess before the Justice Department.

B (8:18)

Yep.

C (8:19)

Got that information. Which means, as I said yesterday, we're still kind of in round one here. We've got two and a half million files. The entire general public is very interested in this. People are already stepping down, pressure is being applied and all indications are more information will be coming out and this is not being swept under the rug and just dropped.

B (8:40)

Yeah, it's, it's, it seems like essentially the deep state is kind of been pinned here and they don't know exactly how to get around this. And it's, it's, you know, what happens is the more information you get, the clearer a picture becomes. And what you're starting to realize is that like a lot of this seems to be that very powerful people are freaking out and they do not know how to get around this. You know, this is like, it makes it clear why. Oh, this is why the Trump cover up of the whole thing was so sloppy to begin with. But so anyway, for people who aren't. If you're not following, just to be clear, like if you didn't follow what happened over the last 24 hours. So both Thomas Massie and Rokahana went to go view. Congressmen are allowed to go view the unredacted versions, or so they say. But that's not what they got to see. But regardless. So they get to see the unredacted versions. But then, and we're going to play some clips from them in a second here. But then they see when they go there that there's still a ton of redactions and they go, wait a minute, why, why is this so redacted? And now that, that leads to the whole other thing that you were just bringing up. But they did see some of the redactions removed from. And they saw that there was a document listing co conspirators. The thing that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino swore didn't exist, that they had seen the files and there were no co conspirators. Which look at this point is getting like. I mean, it's basically impossible to believe that anybody took a look at these files and went, nope, nobody else was involved. Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were getting these girls only for themselves. And everyone wanted to party with him for other reasons. He just had the best pizza in Town, Rob. Like, I don't. It's like the official story is spinning out of control. But.

C (10:37)

So I think you got a couple details wrong here. First is Cash Patel's just not legally allowed to look into these things. And the reason why Dan Bungino knows that he killed himself is because, I guess he saw the original hard drive before the FBI conveniently wiped it. So.

B (10:54)

Yes. Which is also in the documents there, that the FBI wiped the cameras. Wild. Wild stuff. Here. Let's. Let's play the clip from Thomas Massie after he came out of being able to see the not unredacted files, but less redacted files. Here's. Here's the best congressman in the game.

D (11:14)

That.

E (11:15)

That would be.

D (11:15)

Probably be the best way to do it.

F (11:18)

So how much of the redactions you said that there are a lot of there, the documents?

B (11:21)

Some.

F (11:21)

Some of what you saw in there had redactions. How much of what.

D (11:26)

How much.

F (11:26)

How much new information then did you see that was unredacted, or did it look pretty similar to what we've seen publicly?

D (11:34)

I mean, what we're after is the. The men who Jeffrey Epstein trafficked women to. We want those names published. We're not out to embarrass people. And the problem is we went in there hoping to see that in 302 forms. What we found out is those 302 forms were redacted before they got to the DOJ. So. But our legislation directs the FBI, which is the agency that produced those 302 forms, to also produce these documents. The Attorney General is ultimately responsible for that production. So that's why we're here at the DOJ to view these files. But there needs to be more information given in those 302s, so I was disappointed we didn't find that. But it's also clear, just sort of as a check, checking their homework, that they need to do a little more homework. There are six men. We went in there for two hours. There's millions of files, right. And in a couple of hours, we found six men whose names have been redacted who are implicated in the way that the files are presented.

B (12:41)

One of the things that was interesting, Rokahana was kind of like in awe of Thomas Massie in While they were talking. And he goes, the other thing about Thomas Massie, and this is also just like, it's like the guys who we end up liking. The same thing was true with Ron Paul was that it's not just that, like, we agree with their politics. It's also Just like, they're the smartest guys in the room. Like, Thomas Massey has, like, multiple degrees from MIT and built his own, like, green energy house and stuff. And he's, like, knows a ton about, like, engineering and science and all this. He's just, like, a very, very smart guy. So Rokahana was, like, blown away by how good Thomas Massie was at, like, searching and getting to the right files and finding all this shit. But to be clear here, they had two hours with millions of files to look through, and they got six co conspirators in that time. So, like, what is actually in there if somebody just had, like, all the time in the world to find them? Man. I mean, there's probably a lot. But to be clear here, the legislation that Massey and Rokahana got passed is very clear. And the legislation essentially says that the files cannot be redacted except for two reasons, which is national security and protecting victims. And they've already found that they're redacting information that is neither of those two things. So they've already caught the Justice Department committing crimes here.

C (14:09)

Yeah. You know, what we need is big balls. And what I mean by that is that I don't think they were allowed in with staffers. I think congressmen had to go in alone, and then.

B (14:20)

That's right.

C (14:20)

Staffers with notes. And I'm sure that this hasn't been organized in a way that I can easily sift through and organize the information for. For you, or log all the improper redactions and then just make you a spreadsheet of all the improper redactions. So this is just Thomas Massie in two hours. And like I said, this is round one. My guess is that with finding the improper redactions, the Justice Department is not going to say, yes, we have the bandwidth to now sit down and review all of our redactions. They're going to have to make this information more easily and readily available for Thomas Massie and his team or others to actually look over what's been improperly redacted. And I think certainly more information is going to be coming out.

B (15:08)

Yeah, it's. Well, I think there's. It's kind of. It's hard to imagine a scenario where there isn't more information coming out. It does seem like this is it. I don't know. It's pretty. There's a few things here that are just, like, pretty wild. Number one, it is crazy that the way our system works is that Congress can pass a law that says you have to turn this over you're not allowed to redact it. And they just don't. They just don't unredact it. There was a tweet exchange. This was really fascinating. So there was a tweet exchange between. Who is the guy here? Okay, it's Todd Blanch, who's the deputy Attorney general. So the number two to. To. To Pam Bondi. And so Thomas Massie tweets this. So he tweets out the image of the redacted file. Hold on, let me just make sure I pull this up here and where it doesn't. No, co conspirator. It says co conspirator and then people are redacted. And he says, this is a well known retired CEO. DOJ should unredact this. God bless you, Rob. Okay, so Todd Blanche. Now the deputy Attorney general says the document you cite has numerous victims name, numerous victim names. We have just unredacted Les Wexner's name from this document. But his name already appeared in the files thousands of time. DOJ is hiding nothing. Yeah, dude, dude, that's actually. You're caught red handed. Breaking the law. Breaking the law. This is black and white, dude. It's a coconspirator is redacted. Okay, you broke the law. You know, it's one of the things that's so frustrating and it really. Rob, this gets to the very core of why people care about this Epstein story so much. And it's because we live in anarcho tyranny. You know, we live under this giant, powerful central state in Washington D.C. that rules over all the rest of us, that we all pay a third to half of our income to every year, that. That regulates us and taxes us. And man, if you get something wrong on your documents, when you got. When you're not allowed to redact information, Rob, when you're required annually to open up all of your records to the federal government, even though they know what they are, if you get it wrong, they'll throw the book at you. You know, if you. If you own a small business and you don't have like a wheelchair accessible ramp, they will shut your business down. They will. We live in this world where if any of us break the rules, we get in trouble for that. And, and. But yet Epstein and his buddies, the ones who are at the highest levels of power, they can do anything. Anything and get away with it scot free. Well, right here, look at this little example. They're caught red handed redacting a thing they're not legally allowed to redact. And Then his thing is he appears in tons of places in the files. You go, yeah, but you redacted the document that called him a co conspirator in soliciting underage prostitution. That's what he's a coconspirator in. Not just, not just sex trafficking. Sex trafficking children. That's what he's a co conspirator. And that's what the document says. And you know, again, Rob, like it's always been true with that. What do they. I can't. I always remember, I always remembered it, that the charge was called soliciting sex from an underage prostitution. From underage prostitute. But it was like it was something like pecure. Like I forget the exact language of it, but it is such a euphemism, you know, like, you know, soliciting sex from an underage prostitute. Like in other words, attempting to rape a child. Is that what you mean? Right. There's no such thing as a 14 year old prostitute. There's a 14 year old rape victim. But like, I, I don't know. I mean, maybe, I guess if she was just doing it with other children her age, but when it's with adults, that's not a voluntary transaction anymore. There's a reason why it's considered statutory rape. If you have sex with a child, doesn't matter whether they consent or not. They're not capable of consenting. But anyway, so the Justice Department is caught red handed breaking the law. And breaking the law to what end? To protect a potential predator. And they got an attitude about it. As they unredact the file, they altered the file themselves. So, so Massie got them. But you were saying this tactic where he goes, because, you know, I don't know exactly about the legality of it because at one point they asked Thomas Massie, they were like, why don't you just tell us who the six guys are? And he goes, well, I may have to do that from the house floor, you know, because like they, they're more protected over what they can say from the house floor than like, I don't, I don't really understand the legality of all of it. But he was like, I'm gonna try to just strong arm them into doing it first. And he, he did. At least with this one. I mean, what can you say? What can you say about that, Rob?

C (20:47)

The nonsense line of, well, victims appeared on the page. Yeah, well, no one's telling you not to redact the victim names. We're criticizing this other name. That's not a victim. It's such a nonsense line.

B (21:00)

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C (22:30)

Hey, you get pulled over for speeding? Well, cars were driving in the other direction. Yeah, that's the other side of the highway. What does that have to do with what I was doing?

B (22:39)

Yeah, well look, I mean, Thomas Massie post this today. Here. I'm going to read Thomas Massey's tweet here because this is, I think pretty important. This is what he posted yesterday. So he said in response to my post on X today, doj number one, unredacted an FBI file that labels two individuals as co conspirators. Two, unredacted a file that lists several men who might be implicated by three tacitly admitted that the. That Sultan Ahmed Bin Sal Salam was the sender of the torture video. So that's the other one, by the way, that isn't. Is that the guy that, that email that a whole bunch of us jumped on that we shared either yesterday or the show before that where it was like love that Torture video with a link to a video. You know, like, there was a part of me with that one, because I've kind of urged caution from the very beginning with this stuff. Like, obviously, there's a huge goddamn conspiracy here, but people do get kooky with it and jump to things. And so, like, even if you see an email that's like, oh, that torture video, you know, you just start thinking in your mind, like, okay, but this could have been a video of, like, a really terrible singer, and you're joking around with your buddy and going, oh, that was a torture video. You know what I'm saying? Just, like, thinking it could be. No, no, no. It's being sent to Jeffrey ep. So pretty weird. But no, no, Rob, it's a torture video. It's a torture video sent from the Sultan of the United Arab Emirates, just showing him a video of him torturing somebody. Like, this is what we're dealing with. This is the level of how dark this shit is right now. Okay? So anyway, Thomas Massie says this is significant because Cash Patel testified to Congress that the FBI had no other sex traffic, that the FBI had evidence of other sex traffickers. This is the FBI's own 2019 document listing Wexner as a co conspirator in child sex trafficking. It wasn't unredacted until tonight. This is, of course, referring to last night. So, I mean, look, this is kind of just confirming what we already knew here, but that is a big lie. While testifying to Congress, which, Rob, is a felony. So this is not just now that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are the fucking bitches that we knew they were. You know, that has been well established. They. They both lied through their teeth. And not just lied, but lied in the service of protecting pedophiles. But Cash Patel did it in front of Congress.

C (25:31)

Yeah, I think what you were saying earlier, that it seems like they don't know how to handle this. One of the worst parts is it's like if you're being interrogated, sometimes you're, like, trying to figure out what they might know. And sometimes they'll pretend that they don't know something so that they can catch you. And now they've got a problem where they don't know what information will be coming out, when it's coming out, when we find out more like, I know we're gonna move over to Lutnick in a minute, but if you're Lutnick, it's a pert. And let's just assume that maybe he had More of a relationship with Epstein that he wants to let on. As to how involved he was in criminality, unclear. But it's tough to go in and be like, oh, there's another 2 million files that might come out, or there could have been another email where my name is currently redacted, where it gets unredacted. And so I think a lot of these people are gonna be in for some trouble of being caught with their pants down. Because if your cash or your Pam Bondi or other ones. Six months ago, you thought that you had this brush under the rug. And we just make the bold statements of nothing to see here.

B (26:35)

Yep. Here, let's. Let's play the Cash Patel video. This is. This was Cash Patel testifying before Congress. No credible information.

D (26:44)

None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited.

B (26:52)

So the answer is no one.

D (26:54)

For the information that we have in.

B (26:57)

The file, in the case file. Okay. There's no credible information. So, I mean, look, first of all, I just. I mean, just think about, like, this. This passing the smell test here after just what we know. Like the idea here. It's like, so Jeffrey Epstein has many, many, many victims who have. Have come out and accused him of, you know, either that some of them were underage, some of them were over 18, but claim they were, you know, assaulted, forced into prostitution. He's there, you know, there. There's this. No question, right? I mean, he's convicted of it, she's convicted of it, and everyone wants to party with this guy, but the line that they're going with is that, yeah, but he never shared like that. That's essentially what they're saying, that he had this stable of sex slaves, and everyone wanted to party with him and all types of emails about, oh, my God, your parties are the best parties. You know what I mean? It sucks that I can't ever talk about them because they're so great. Everyone's. But the accusation here is that no one else ever did anything with one of these girls. By the way, Rob, multiple victims have been like, no, it wasn't just Epstein. There were all these other powerful men who were all doing stuff anyway. It's just. But here. But look, man, I mean, what can you say about this? Cash Patel is straight up saying that this is. That he knows for a fact that there were no other coconspirators when the FBI documents from two years before that had a list of all of them.

C (28:37)

Well, it's interesting that he says with the limited amount of documents, considering that this is just the emails and I guess there's 5 million of them and there's all the non investigations that they chose not to partake in, but the idea that there was limited information, that seems scary. And then he is adding the little bit of a kicker of what we had. So I'm sure he'll get out of the lying by saying I didn't see that or that would. That was never given to me. But that just stand. That just speaks more to the COVID up of. You didn't actually look.

B (29:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's right.

C (29:12)

It's very foul. It's very foucy. Like where he made absolute statements. I never said it. I didn't say it. That was that department. This, it was like, well that's not the way you presented it. And so when Cash is here presenting it as hey, case closed, there's nothing to see here. It's I did my homework. We reviewed it, all of it and we're making a decision. There's nothing to investigate. That's the way he's presenting it. I'm sure he'll shift the next time he's called in to answer for this.

B (29:37)

Yeah. Here, let's play the other Massey clip that we haven't played yet because he went and did an interview last night. Let's. Let's play that one.

D (29:47)

An example of something. Maybe it wasn't intentional on their part. I'd like to hear his take on the redaction of the CEO who's listed as a co conspirator in the 2019 child sex trafficking case.

F (29:59)

So can I ask you because, and I want to ask if this is the same person, Todd Blanche also said about that tonight that the document you're citing there has victim names in it to say that's why there are redactions. He said we have just unredacted Les Wexner's name from this document. But his name already appears in the file thousands of other times and he says the Justice Department is hiding nothing. Is that the retired CEO that you're referencing?

B (30:24)

It is.

D (30:25)

He unredacted it after I found it. That's a problem. And I'm glad they've admitted they made a mistake by redacting that.

F (30:31)

So you're saying it was redacted when you went in there today and after you tweeted that they unredacted it.

D (30:37)

Correct other names. He needs to un. Redact that. He was.

B (30:42)

How bad is CNN at doing their jobs like, she's figuring out as it's going on. So, by the way, because this is an interesting moment, this is the moment Thomas Massie realizes that they unredacted it. He's not saying it yet. He's going, a well known CEO, which I will be saying on the House floor tomorrow. So I'm giving you guys the chance to do it. And then she's finding out. And then she's like, not even the dumb CNN lady. Like, they just don't even do their homework. They're literally not as good as an average political podcast. Like, it's just unbelievable. And so there's like, she's trying to figure it out too, but she's going, oh, they say they're hiding nothing because his name appears in other documents and. Yeah, but not one that says he's a co conspirator in child sex trafficking. That's an important detail. And come on, man. I mean, look, just, honestly, just anybody who's looking at this, are we honestly to believe that it was a whoopsie and they just, they let his name in the records and all in the files and all these different places, but the one that says he's a coconspirator in child sex trafficking, AKA Rob, the worst crime a human being can commit. Like, morally speaking, is there anything worse? Right? It's not even just like raping a child. It's like organized pedophilia, like, like organized rape of children. So, yes, that's a big deal. And I'm sorry, but like, as soon as they unredact it, that's an admission that Thomas Massie's right, that you didn't need to redact this. This didn't protect a victim and it wasn't a threat to national security. Right. In fact, you know, it's so funny, Rob, because they use, you know, as, you know, they use national security for just about anything they want to do. But the only real threat to national security here, Rob, is what is that? There's still blackmail out there. There's still people in powerful positions who have this information controlled by somebody potentially. Like, this is actually a threat to national. But it is. I don't know, it's just a pretty incredible exchange here. Let's play the rest of this.

D (32:53)

Four other names he needs to unredact. Did he respond to that? There's a list of 20 people and there's four men in there that need to be unredacted. Here's another troubling thing that I found.

F (33:03)

Can you say who those four Men are tonight.

D (33:06)

I don't think they're well known. And so if I did, it wouldn't matter, but I could probably say them on the floor of the house. But I'll give the DOJ a chance to do what they did in these two examples where I've discovered something and now they've responded.

B (33:23)

So that's it. Now I believe the list of the names has come out. I think Rocahonta read them on the house floor. It was not names. I know the only two names that were names I knew were Les Wexner, and. Not that I knew his name, but that was relevant, was the Sultan in the uae. But the other are our guys. And then Rob, as you said, right? Then that opens up a whole nother investigation. It's like, okay, well, then you got five more names here. Well, who's connected to those names and all this stuff? So as you said, this is part one. But, man, what has been exposed here in. In the last day, is that what I mean, what. What can you say about this? God damn. You know, Dan Bongino was over there bragging. I mean, it was stupid when he said it, but bragging about how the Trump administration is so transparent. I don't think so. And in fact, they've. They've been working since they made the pivot last summer to try to cover the thing up. They've been working the whole way through to continue to cover this. This shit up. They're still actively covering up the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prize Picks. Shoot your shot on prize pick and get $50 instantly in lineups when you play your first $5. That's right, Prize Picks is now giving you $50 in lineups when you sign up and play your first $5. Prize picks makes every dunk, every dime and every board that much more exciting. So don't miss the chance to get started on America's number one app for sports picks. Prize Picks is simple to play, even for people who don't know sports at all. They. They have fun with it. All you do is you pick more or less sp on two to six player stat projections. If you get your picks right, you can cash in, pick from all your favorite sports, anything from basketball, baseball, hockey, ufc, soccer, college basketball. And their new feature, Prize Picks now has early payouts. If your player gets off to a hot start, you have the option to cash out those winnings before the game even finishes. Join the millions of Users and sign up for America's number one sports picks app. Download the Prize Picks apps today and use the promo code potp to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Again, the code is POTP for $50 in lineups after YOU play your first $5 lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be right. All right, let's get back into the show.

C (35:56)

Well, I, you know, it was a little bit weird when Massie says, I don't think it makes a difference because people don't know who they are. It seems that Massey's being tactful here and trying to give the dog an opportunity, essentially, for do over and to come back and just go. Because sometimes that's easiest. Hey, I think you made a mistake here. And then they go back and go, okay, we got busted. And then they unredact all the information, and you don't have to. Then you get what you were looking for. You don't have to have that much of a fight. My guess next step is, I don't know what you do to hold the DOJ accountable. I don't know if that becomes like, some sort of a Supreme Court case or someone's got to go to jail for improper actions. I don't know how that proceeds from here, but it is. It is interesting that he already busted them.

B (36:47)

Yeah, yeah. This quick, this quickly into it. Okay, you want to go to. Because you. You teased it earlier, but let's go to Lutnick testifying before Congress. This was quite entertaining.

A (37:01)

When you visited the private island, did you see anything inappropriate during that visit?

E (37:10)

The only thing I saw with my wife and my children and the other couple and their children was staff who worked for Mr. Epstein on that island.

A (37:22)

And you realize that, you know, this visit took place after he'd been convicted, right? I mean, you made a very big point of saying that you sensed that this was a bad person in 2005. And then, of course, in 2008, he was convicted of soliciting prostitution of a minor. And. And yet you went and had this trip and other interactions. Did you?

B (37:52)

For a second there, I just, again, like, I. I don't know, I just find something so Orwellian and, like, just crazy about people in suits and ties using that. Soliciting prostitution from a minor. Like, isn't that just like attempting to rape a child? Just seems like a better way to. To describe that same thing to me. Like, I don't know. It'd just be like if you were like. Like, I was attempting to solicit cancer medication away from a senior citizen. Like, so you tried to murder your grandma. Like, what do you do? Like, what is this language? But anyway, just to be clear here, okay, so we. Because we did cover this the. The other day, but again, there's so many little stories like this that just in case anyone's not keeping up with it. So Lutnick said in an interview, because Jeffrey Epstein was like his next door neighbor, he said that he went over there, I think he claimed, with his wife and saw a massage chair in his living room. This is Lutnick's words in the interview right now. This is. Wasn't him under oath here. This was him in the interview. And he goes, and he goes. I go to him, I go, jeffrey, you must really like massages. Like, why do you have a massage table in the middle of your living room? And he goes, I get one every day, and the good kind. And Lutnick goes, man, I was creeped out by that. And I was like, me and my wife talked about it. I said, I'm never gonna see that guy again. And I never did. That's what he says in the interview. Then we find out that not only. Okay, so now to put this all together, he went to the island. And his defense now is that he brought his wife and kids, which, Rob, is much worse than going alone. I don't know. To say that is substantially worse to bring your wife and children to Epstein island than to just go by yourself. But think about this. So he's seen the massage chair. Jeffrey Epstein has confirmed to him, I'm a fucking pervert, dude. I keep my massage chair where I. Where I get sex massages and I brag about it to other people. Then he's convicted of trying to rape children. And then this Lutnik guy brings his family to his island. Could anything be worse than that? Could anything look worse than this? Like, how, dude? How is. Like, how is it possible that these hacks like Michael Tracy and Alex Berenson are running around going, nothing to see here. Like, I almost just like. Can one of them explain what's their working theory of this? What did. What did they think was going on here? Given the. Given the information that we have, give me some plausible theories of how this whole thing ties together. In which one is it not that the elites in our country are the most disgusting criminals imaginable? Which.

C (41:01)

Which one isn't that It's a pretty remarkable. Hey, I was horrified by this guy, so I would never be around him again. Oh, but There was that one time I took a boating vacation with my kids, and we stopped at his private island for lunch.

B (41:15)

Yeah, that is fucking square, that circle.

C (41:17)

That you were creeped out. Creeped out from a guy, but then we're willing to hang out with him with your wife and kids. Now, I don't know enough about the logistics of island boat trips that perhaps that was the only place that they could have lunch. Yeah, they could make other lunch arrangements that they really wanted to be on Epstein's Island. But then just speaking to another thing that I've said before, how come there isn't a record of interviewing every single person that was a staff member on that island? That seems like really good leads for uncovering. You know, it's not like this is an ancient civilization from a thousand years ago or like the pyramids, and we can't possibly figure out what was going on at these pyramids. How do they build these pyramids? You got all the people that were working there. You can bring all of them in front of Congress or at least have them sit down with the FBI and be like, what did you see? And I don't know why those people aren't guilty of. As co conspirators. Talk about no co conspirators. If you're working on the sex dungeon island. Theoretically. I mean, if it wasn't, then I guess all these people can, you know, testify that it wasn't. And then you might have to find another lane of investigation. But I think you could probably give immunity and find one person who's willing to tell the tale of what they saw.

B (42:32)

Yeah. And I think the, you know, the thing about it is, right, is like, that this is. And this is really what's revealing about. Well, I mean, it's first and foremost Donald Trump, but Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, that it's like they. They went in there with this, like, we're going to get to the bottom of it. And then they were like, guys, we did the most exhaustive search ever, and there's just nothing pointing to any of this. And then as soon as we get a look at it, you're like, oh, my God. And you go, oh, you guys didn't even try that. That really is the lesson here, that you guys did not even try. And look, it's. Who knows what's in any of these individuals, you know, hearts or what they were motivated by. Look, you're staring into the abyss when you look at this. Like, and. And it's quite possible that they had access to much more than what we're seeing here. It's likely, right? Or actually it's a certainty, but it's a question of how much more they had access to. But this shit is so dark, so disturbing, and goes all the way up to the top that it's possible a bunch of them, they just looked at it, got shook and said, I'm not. I want no part of that. And, like, fair enough. I don't. I'm not even. Like, I don't know. I mean, I am judging, but, like, I guess I can kind of understand part of that. It's just that, like, then. Then the move is you gotta step aside and go. You don't get to then try to do damage control on all the rest of us, you know, this shit is just too goddamn wild.

C (44:08)

I'm excited for this rest of the Lutnick, because I think it was still live. And this was just one of the moments where, hey, I mean, it caught. You couldn't have been caught in more of a bold place. Lie. Never spoke to the guy again. Really? Because apparently you visited the island. Well, that was just for lunch with my kids.

B (44:26)

Yeah. Let's keep playing.

A (44:29)

In New York city. Home in 2011.

E (44:34)

No.

A (44:35)

So the information that suggests that there was a dinner with Woody Allen and Woody Allen's spouse at the Epstein residence. That's. That's. There's nothing to that. Is that right?

E (44:47)

I actually don't know what you're referring to.

B (44:49)

There was.

E (44:50)

Look, I. I looked through the millions of documents for my name, just like everybody else. And what I found was there was a document that says that I had a meeting with him on in May, I think, for an hour for. At 5 o'.

B (45:10)

Clock.

E (45:11)

Not dinner or otherwise. For an hour at 5 o'.

B (45:14)

Clock.

A (45:15)

All right. There's also a reference to the fact that Epstein had experienced interest in meeting your nanny.

B (45:22)

Pause it. Pause it for a second. I just love Lutniks, dude. Just going. The. The phraseology of going, you know, when the files came out, I, like everybody else, Googled my name in them, searched my name in them to see what was. There you go. That's not like everybody else. That's not what we all did. Many of us were quite confident that we weren't in there. And, you know, I saw. I remember. Did I mention this on the show, Rob, But I saw. Talk about. Just like, there are just these moments in life where it is just like, it's nice to have these things where you're like, yeah, I really did pick the Right. Political camp to be a member of, you know. But I remember so when the files first dropped, it was like the first day that they dropped and I saw like a few people tweeted at me and they were like, look, dude, Ron Paul is in the Epstein files. And it'd be like, it was like three different hits of Ron Paul's name coming up. And I remember immediately, immediately just looking at that and going, nice try dude. Like, there's no chance. There's just no chance. Like, and then by the way, you look at the files and like the three mentions of Ron Paul are all great. They're all, they're all Epstein and other powerful people going like, listen, every single presidential candidate is going to do our bidding. I mean, except for this Ron Paul guy. Like, obviously he's no good. It's just like all that, it was all them just mentioning that he's the only one out outside of their orbit. One of them was like, every presidential candidate is tripping over themselves to praise Israel. Well, except for that Ron Paul of course. You know, it's like, but the idea is like, dude, I never needed any confirmation to already know Ron Paul wasn't getting on an airplane with Jeffrey Epstein. There's just no way, there's no possible way that that's true. But so in sitting here and going, oh, just like everyone else, I was looking through to see what I was in. Like, it's just so bizarre. It's like, dude, that is not what most people were thinking. That is not. No. You're one of the very small group of elites who fucking lied through your teeth, blatantly, knowingly lied about your relationship with this guy. And I don't know, man, I don't see how he doesn't have to step down after all of this. I mean, to me this is just too damning. But you know, this is the Trump administration so they don't fucking have any shame about anything.

C (47:45)

Yeah. It seems like at the moment Donald Trump is trying not to be embarrassed by having to had what he had in the first administration of a constant revolving door of staff members. So even amidst pretty big slip ups, he's catched ever caught everyone's back. And I think Lutnick is one of his preferred individuals because I think they're involved in financial deals and wheelings and dealings and Right. And whatnot. But yeah, I mean, wood cough, wood coughs clearly in the crosshairs right now.

B (48:19)

It's, it's not good. Not good. Lutnick, you mean?

C (48:23)

Yes, thank you, Lutnick.

B (48:25)

Not Witkoff. He's over there maybe trying to negotiate.

C (48:30)

Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy's lightning, right?

B (48:31)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, all good. It's okay.

C (48:35)

It's.

B (48:35)

It's hard to keep these Jews straight, Rob. So, okay, here, let's, let's play the, the end of this clip.

A (48:42)

Eating your nanny. Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein ever met with your nanny?

E (48:50)

No. I saw that. I had no idea what that was about. Had nothing to do with me.

A (48:54)

No interactions, mother.

E (48:55)

No. As far as I know.

A (48:57)

Would you.

C (48:58)

As far as I know.

B (49:00)

Look at the protective goddamn language. And I'm sorry again, this is. And I'm not. I really never try to, like, I've never been a conspiracy kook. And in fact, I know that, like, if you remember, a lot of our audience got very upset with me immediately after Charlie Kirk got killed when I was saying, like, guys, knock it off with just these wild conspiracies. Let's like follow evidence. And if you don't have any, I'm not interested in conclusion. Which I still stand by that. So I'm not like, again, I'm not, I'm not alleging that I know what this means, but, dude, there is something really, really weird that he would, knowing everything he knew he would bring his own children to the island. That is very, very bizarre. Anybody who has children would immediately recognize that and go, yo, what? Like, it's weird enough to like go hang out with somebody when you know, like just to tell you already know that this person has. Gets sex massages in their living room and then was convicted of trying to rape a child. But then you bring your own children. It's one thing enough to go meet that guy at his island, but to bring your own kids? And then, yeah, dude, he uses this very bizarre coded language which is like designed. This is, as everybody knows, this is lawyer coached language. This is what you say when you're testifying in front of Congress because it's a crime to lie when you're testifying that Congress, you're perjuring yourself if you lie. And so you can say things like, I do not recall or not that I remember. See, if you say, if someone says to you, were you at this diner on December 3rd? And you say, no, but you were there, you could go to jail for that. But if they say, were you at this diner on December 3rd? And you go, not that I recall, you can't go to jail for that because you could just say, yeah, no, I said, not that I recall. And I didn't recall being There you can't prove that I remembered it or not. So this is like the language they use, but now, right, there's documents in the files where Epstein is expressing interest in meeting his nanny. Now, I'm sorry, it's just like, as I've been saying for the last few days, I'm not saying you should connect dots that you can't prove, but sometimes there will be something where you're actually more of a kook to just dismiss it than you are to like speculate about it. Why would Jeffrey Epstein want to be connected to the person who has access to your children? What the fuck is that? Like? I'm not, I'm not asking, asking that as a rhetorical question. If anyone's got the answer, please tell me what is the answer for that? Because it sounds really, really bad. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon. Forget everything you think you know about fasting. 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It's unlike anything you've experienced. And right now Prolon is offering part of The Problem listeners 15% off their five day nutrition program. Just go to prolong life.com p o t P that's P R O L O N l I f e.com potp for this special offer of 15% off the five day nutrition program. That's prolonglife.com potpay. All right, let's get back into the show. Geez, Rob. Yeah. I mean, what is that and why Aren't you answering? Why isn't your, like, answer something like, absolutely not. That did not ever happen, and why I would never give Jeffrey Epstein access to my. It's not that I recall. Oh, not that I recall. Like, if. I don't know, Rob, like, I've never been in the situation where the most famous pedophile in the world had asked to for the information of the people who take care of my kids. I've never been in that situation before. But I can guarantee you, Rob, that I would recall it if it had happened. If you were asking me whether that happened, I go, no. And I don't. It's not like if I. If I'm remembering correctly, that didn't happen. Why would you have to caveat that with lawyer coached wording? Like, that's just wild. I don't know about. By the way, did you see this one? Because it's so. It's so pathetic, man. I just. And again, I know. I don't think we've done one episode on the Epstein thing where I don't, like, mention this at all. But it's just so pathetic the way the Trump loyalists are running cover for him. I see these guys, these accounts on Twitter, and, you know, dude, like, these, These accounts are like, you know, the ones that a year ago were fucking retweeting everything I posted and fucking commenting on all my. Hell yeah, Dave, let's. You know what I mean? Like, they were all about this shit. A year ago, they would have been all about just the Ebstein victims and draining the swamp and uncovering the. And they're tweeting out today, and they'll be like, democrats protect pedophiles. You're like, oh, it's Democrats now, is it? Okay, the Republicans are just absolved of this, but they were making a big deal out of this. There was one document that was. That said that Donald Trump had, like, had called the chief of police down there in Mar a Lago about Jeffrey Epstein. And he was kind of one of the people who was like, well, you guys should look into this guy. He's. He's sketchy. And they're trying to make that. See, the, the, the files don't implicate Donald Trump. They exonerate him and blah, blah. Now forget that. There's some other stuff in the files that don't look so good for Donald Trump. But you're like, guys, that doesn't make it better. Like, if Donald Trump himself comes away from this with, say, like, he looks great, it exonerates Him. It makes him look awesome. Well, you're still left with the question of then why did he try to cover it up? Why is he claiming it's a Democratic hoax? Why is he. Why was he claiming the files don't exist? Why was he claiming we should move on from this? Because there's a whole lot of other people who it doesn't look good for. So then you're still left with Donald Trump is protecting other people, Right?

C (56:31)

Yeah. And you've had other people that have now looked at the files that there was some Republican congressman who was trying to say that there was nothing there, and then looked at it and was like, no, this is a big deal. I forget her name. And then Raskin, who I think is one of the worst of the worst, I never agree with him on anything ever and is usually the biggest slime ball, was talking about seeing something in there about. In regards to a nine year old world.

B (56:58)

Jesus. Yeah, here, let me, I'll send this one to you, Natalie, because I feel like this is actually worth playing. I, I meant to send this earlier, but I just sent it over to you now. But this is Rokahana on the House floor earlier today, kind of putting together like, you know, what, after having, you know, half a day to reflect on it, kind of putting together what, what him and Massey were, were able to get to the bottom of. So let's, let's play that one. Or here, if I just sent it to you, it might, it might take a second to get it together, but. Okay, here, let me. Whenever you have it, Natalie. Sure, sure.

G (57:47)

Mr. Speaker, yesterday Congressman Massie and I went to the Department of Justice to read the unredacted Epstein files. We spent about two hours there and we learned that 70 to 80% of the files are still redacted. In fact, there were six wealthy, powerful men that the DOJ hid for no apparent reason. When Congressman Massie and I pointed this out to the Department of Justice, they acknowledged their mistake and now they have revealed the identity. Speaker, these six powerful men, these men are Salvatore Navora Zorab Michalades Lupig Leonor Nicola Caputa, Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayam, CEO of Dubai Ports World, and billionaire businessman Leslie Wexner, who was labeled as a co conspirator by the FBI. Now my question is, why did it take Thomas Massie and me going to the Justice Department to get these six men's identities to become public? And if we found six men that they were hiding in two hours, imagine how many men they are covering up for in those 3 million files. But the story gets worse. The reality is that Donald Trump's FBI scrubbed these files in March, long before Thomas Massie and I passed the Epstein Transparency Act. Now, my bill is clear. The Epstein Transparency act requires them to unredact those FBI files. And yet the Justice Department said to me and to Congressman Massie, we just uploaded whatever the FBI sent us, and guess what? The FBI sent scrubbed files. That means the survivor statement to the FBI naming rich and powerful men who went to Epstein's island, who went to his ranch, who went to his home and raped and abused underage girls or saw underage girls being paraded. They're all hidden, they're all redacted. It's a little bit of a force. They're inviting all the members of Congress to go to see the. The Department of Justice, quote, unquote, unredacted files. But they've got all redacted files from the FBI. And it's not the fault of the Justice Department attorneys. They were just told upload things that Donald Trump's FBI had already scrubbed. It's a blatant violation of the Epstein Transparency Act. But it also asks a fundamental question. Who are they protecting? Why are they protecting these rich and powerful men, people I call part of the Epstein class? Why are we in a country where there is no elite accountability for people who do the most heinous things? You have in England, the king now calling for investigation and possible prosecution of his own brother. You have in Norway the princess who no longer has support to be the queen. And yet in the United States of America, we have someone in the Cabinet, Howard Lutnick, who is all over these Epstein files, who allegedly had business with Epstein after he was convicted of pedophilia, and he still is in the Cabinet. We need to ask ourselves, are we in America going to have elite accountability? Are we going to call on rich and powerful people who broke the law or cavorted with a pedophile, a convicted pedophile? Are we going to call them to account? Are we going to have prosecutions for billionaires who went to this island and either raped underage girls or saw underage girls being raped and didn't say anything? Are we going to have investigations? I'll tell you what this is about.

E (61:46)

About.

G (61:47)

It's not just about the 1200 survivors. It's about two tiers of justice in America. It's about people who can accumulate wealth and power and don't have to care about the rest of America. They have destroyed so much of this country. Income inequality is at a 60 year high. Worker salaries are less than they have been for 75 years as a part of GDP. Somehow this country seems to be working for the rich and powerful, but it's not working for ordinary working class Americans. I say enough. It's time to begin with accountability for the Epstein class. Hold them in front of Congress, those people who visited the island or did business with Epstein after he was a convicted pedophile. Investigate them, prosecute them. And let's return to democratic accountability in the United States of America. Let's return to one system of justice in the United States of America. Let's return to a place where every American has a stake in this country.

B (63:00)

You know, Rob, we could really use a president who wants to drain the swamp. It's a shame we don't have one. But, you know, look, man, that's a. I mean, look, that's a powerful message from Rokahana. And I do think he kind of, in, you know, his own words, got at the point that. That we were making earlier, which is like, this is. This is why the Epstein thing, why it matters so much. This is why it blew up so much. This is why so many people care about it. It's not just that children were victimized. And like, that's.

A (63:35)

That's.

B (63:36)

That already gets like. There's an impulse that human beings have about people victimizing children. It's a very deep impulse. It is literally like, you can't go to jail for this shit because the other. The killers and the rapists will kill you. You know? But it's the idea that these people could commit the most egregious crime imaginable and get away with it, and that's just so intolerable to normal people. All right, we got to wrap up there. Come see Rob this weekend in New Hampshire. Come see both of us in Maryland, in Pittsburgh and Jersey. We'll catch you guys tomorrow. Peace.