My Response to Dan Crenshaw

Summary

Podcast Summary: Part of the Problem – "My Response to Dan Crenshaw"

Host: Dave Smith (with Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein)
Broadcast Date: November 27, 2025

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Main Theme

Dave Smith delivers an incisive, energetic response to Rep. Dan Crenshaw’s recent social media attacks, using the exchange as a launching pad for wider libertarian criticism of U.S. foreign policy, the mythology of military “freedom-protection,” political hypocrisy, and the state of contemporary discourse. The conversation blends sharp analysis with humor and characteristic irreverence, all in the show's signature candid tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thanksgiving Banter and Gratitude

• Timestamps: 00:50 – 04:02
• The episode starts with holiday banter, framing Thanksgiving as the ultimate adult holiday of gratitude, food, and family.
• Dave and Robbie reflect on Thanksgiving traditions and the importance of appreciation as an antidote to resentment and entitlement.
  • “I think that’s the best inoculation against being a shitty person is being grateful for what you have.” – Dave (03:24)

2. Dan Crenshaw Twitter Feud: Background & Dynamics

• Timestamps: 04:02 – 09:47

• Dave details Crenshaw’s history of lurking in his comment sections and covertly trying to block him from platforms over the years.

• Crenshaw publicly labels Dave “a pseudo-intellectual on foreign policy” and a “co-conspirator” in Candace Owens’ anti-war platform.

• The congressman shifts the online spat by framing criticism of his own record as “denigrating his military service,” attempting to tie any critique of him to a broader insult against all veterans.

  Notable Quote:

  • “To be very clear here, I was just insulting Dan Crenshaw, which I refuse to stop doing.” – Dave (07:33)

3. Political Tactics and Hypocrisy

• Timestamps: 07:40 – 09:47

• Both hosts lampoon politicians’ tendency to weaponize offense, equating Crenshaw’s tactics to “annoying liberal female behavior” and noting the lack of substantive argument.

  Example Exchange:

  • “It’s amazing how politicians turn supposedly real men…into the bitchiest of tactics…Shame on you.” – Robbie (07:40)
  • “They all argue like teenage girls…you’re a poo poo pants is basically what they come at you with.” – Dave (08:21)

4. Challenging the "War Kept Us Safe" Narrative

• Timestamps: 09:47 – 17:01

• Dave directly addresses Crenshaw’s claim that his military service “let grifters like you safely build up conspiratorial narratives,” refuting the concept that the Forever Wars were necessary for American freedom.

  • Lists U.S. interventions post-9/11 (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, etc.), stating most had nothing to do with 9/11 and did not “keep Americans safe.”
  • Highlights how the list of war zones had little relation to U.S. liberty or direct safety.

• Points out veterans themselves have increasingly opposed Forever Wars (citing Ron Paul’s military support) and that many see through the establishment’s talking points.

• Emphasizes the moral and empirical bankruptcy of arguing that U.S. regimes change in Afghanistan or Iraq protected domestic liberties.

• Criticizes Crenshaw and similar politicians for deflecting substantive policy criticism with emotional appeals about “offending veterans”.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “The only thing the War on Terrorism has done for me podcasting has given me…content…wars to oppose, and [an] easy card of winning a million debates because I’m just on the side that’s against mass murder for no reason.” – Dave (13:51)
  • “Most veterans agree with me on this. The veterans are the ones who are against the Forever Wars…” – Dave (15:46)

5. No More 9/11s? Rebutting the Counterfactual Justification

• Timestamps: 17:18 – 23:20

• Dave addresses Crenshaw’s claim: "No more 9/11s. That’s what we got." (Read at 18:10)

• Challenges the logic that the absence of new attacks justifies massive interventions and death tolls:

  • Estimates U.S. war cost: ~$8 trillion and 4 million deaths abroad; 7,000+ direct U.S. military deaths and ~30,000 vet suicides.
  • Notes growing numbers of terror groups (like ISIS), which arose from these interventions.
  • Points out simple security measures (e.g., cockpit door locks) had more impact than "seven wars."
  • Labels Crenshaw’s position “Dick Cheney logic” and compares its rationalization to other failed policies (“Covid vaccine—you got it, still got Covid, but it ‘would have been worse’ without it”).

  Notable Quote:

  • “You didn’t avoid another 9/11. You committed a thousand of them.” – Dave (22:04)

6. The Moral Clarity Angle (and Invite to Debate)

• Timestamps: 23:20 – 25:20

• Dave brands Crenshaw’s positions part of a “death cult,” equating moral preening over online comments with the vastly greater evil of enabling mass violence.

• Issues an open challenge for Crenshaw to debate, anticipating refusal.

  Notable Quote:

  • “Bring that Dick Cheney bullshit to me and let’s see how that works out for you. Open challenge, Dan Crenshaw. Now run and hide, Congressman.” – Dave (29:16)

7. Foreign Policy—Gaza and Talking Points on Israeli Conduct

• Timestamps: 51:40 – 65:57

• Explores moral double standards and ignorance about Gaza, prompted by a segment of Piers Morgan grilling Dave Rubin, who repeats pro-Israel talking points.

• Dave mocks the notion (expressed by Rubin) that “no Gazans are starving” and dismantles Rubin’s lack of argumentation or data.

• Highlights Israeli officials’ explicit statements about annexation and ethnic cleansing, noting U.S. politicians’ (and pundits’) refusal to grapple with reality.

  Notable Quote (Re: Gaza starvation):

  • “How many images of what’s going on in Gaza have you seen over the last two years?...Dave Rubin characterizes that as the kids all look fat and happy. Really?” – Dave (54:15)
  • “What a ridiculous defense…There’s just nothing Israel’s ever done wrong.” – Dave (58:31)

8. Other Major Topics Covered

• Comey Case Dismissal (36:29 – 41:38):
  • Prosecutorial and bureaucratic blundering leads to dismissal of potential accountability for James Comey—an admission of the system's incapacity to "drain the swamp."
• DOEG Disbanded, Trump’s Spending Promises (43:29 – 48:45):
  • Discusses the abrupt end of the “Department of Government Efficiency,” exposing another unrealized Trump-era pledge.
  • “Donald Trump has absolutely no interest in reducing the size, scope, or spending of our government.” – Robbie (45:02)
• General Reflection on Trump’s Legacy (49:26 – 51:40):
  • Concludes Trump lacks genuine intent or capacity for meaningful reform; focus is self-interest.

9. Humorous Moments and Banter

• Thanksgiving Sandwiches: Early remarks about the “first Thanksgiving sandwich of the year” and the joys of drinking and eating.
• Satirical Solutions for Security:
  • “Just don’t build buildings so high people want to knock them over. Simple. Two-story maximum.” – Robbie & Dave (31:54–32:01)
• Robbie’s Parody on War Logic:
  • “I think if we fought more wars, we could be even more free. Prove me wrong.” – Robbie (14:12)

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Memorable Quotes with Timestamps

| Time | Quote | Speaker | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | 03:24 | “I think that’s the best inoculation against being a shitty person is being grateful for what you have.” | Dave Smith | | 07:33 | “I was just insulting Dan Crenshaw, which I refuse to stop doing.” | Dave Smith | | 08:21 | “They all argue like teenage girls…not one point, not anything of substance, just you’re a poo poo pants.” | Dave Smith | | 13:51 | “The only thing the War on Terrorism has done for me podcasting has given me…content.” | Dave Smith | | 15:46 | “Most veterans agree with me on this. The veterans are the ones who are against the Forever Wars…” | Dave Smith | | 22:04 | “You didn’t avoid another 9/11. You committed a thousand of them.” | Dave Smith | | 29:16 | “Bring that Dick Cheney bullshit to me and let’s see how that works out for you. Open challenge, Dan Crenshaw.” | Dave Smith | | 45:02 | “Donald Trump has absolutely no interest in reducing the size, scope, or spending of our government.” | Robbie The Fire Bernstein | | 54:15 | “How many images of what’s going on in Gaza have you seen…the kids all look fat and happy. Really?” | Dave Smith | | 58:31 | “There’s just nothing Israel’s ever done wrong.” | Dave Smith |

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Notable Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:50–04:02 — Thanksgiving, gratitude, life philosophy
• 04:02–17:01 — Background and primary breakdown of the Dan Crenshaw spat
• 17:18–29:16 — Dissecting post-9/11 war logic, challenging the “no more 9/11s” claim
• 36:29–41:38 — Comey case dismissal, reflection on accountability and “drain the swamp”
• 43:29–48:45 — Ending of DOEG, implications for Trump’s reform credibility
• 51:40–65:57 — Deconstructing Gaza talking points, Piers Morgan vs. Dave Rubin, Israel/Palestine context

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Conclusion

The episode uses humor and directness to interrogate American foreign policy mythology, how politicians obfuscate criticism with appeals to emotion, and the consistent failure of “outsider” reform efforts in government. Dave Smith’s spirited response to Dan Crenshaw becomes a springboard for much larger themes—offering listeners a libertarian critique of war, state power, and political cowardice, in an unfiltered, engaging way.

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Transcript

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[Dave Smith]

What's up? What's up? Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. It is Thanksgiving eve as we record this. Of course I'm Smith and of course he is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. We got a good episode for you guys today. Rob, how you feeling?

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Doing well. I already had my first Thanksgiving sandwich yesterday. They had the, where like the roasted chickens are, they had the roasted turkey. So I was like, let's go. Bought that some bread, some cranberry sauce. So I'm already filled with Thanksgiving spirit.

[Dave Smith]

I, I'd imagine this is the holiday that animates you more than any other holiday.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Oh, for sure. I get to see my family. I don't have to do Jewish. It's a win.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah. Just drinking and eating there really is like, there's, there is a turn where like when you're a little kid, your favorite holiday has always revolved around like presents or like, you know, like something that's fun for little kids. But when you, as, as an adult, Thanksgiving beats everything, man. Thanksgiving, sure you're supposed to be thankful on some level, but really the holiday is just at least, dude, I'll tell you the tradition. Maybe this sounds up and sexist, but I, I am up and sexist and I stand by that. But it was always when I was a kid to now, it's always like the women are like, I mean right now my mother in law and my wife are upstairs just preparing what I would describe. Well, I, they, they've never been happier. Literally they've never been happier. And I, I would describe it as a criminally insane amount of food for the amount of people who are coming to like, I mean I'm like just from eyeballing it, I think I'm going to have 15 people over at my house tomorrow. I think there's enough food for 300 people. Like it's Just a ridiculous. But, man, are they. Anyway, the point is, though, that it's always just kind of been. To me, the holiday has always just been like, oh, pour yourself a glass of whiskey and sit down and bullshit for a little bit, and then sit down to a nice big meal and then have some good leftovers in the fridge for a few days. And what's better than that?

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Whoever thought of this one was good. I'm sorry that some pilgrims had to kill some Indians, but, you know, 100 years.

[Dave Smith]

Well, I think that from what I understand, Rob, that happened later. What I understand the dinner. The dinner was very successful. And then I think in the immediate aftermath, things did go in a genocidal direction. Sure. But that's not like, okay, things happen. Life is complicated. It doesn't mean we can't still celebrate that meal. Although I will. In all seriousness, I mean, not that I'm not being serious about all the stuff I said before, but I do think I do like the idea of a. A holiday based around thankfulness. I think that's good. I think it's very healthy for people to have gratitude and appreciation for the things they have. I try my best to do that. I think. I think that's the best inoculation against being a shitty person is being grateful for. For what you have. So, yeah. Hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving. What are you. You're going. You're going home, Rob.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

But no, it's easy peasy. My family does lunch. I'll be asleep by 3. Waking back up at 8pm for leftovers. It's a nice day.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, love it. I love the eating early, too. Yeah, every aspect of it's very good. Now, another thing that I'm thankful for this year is I am. I'm particularly thankful for dumbass congressmen who start Twitter beefs with me and then get ratioed to high.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Holy heaven, that's got his eye on you.

[Dave Smith]

Well, we all know which one. All right, listen, it's. There's a lot of low hanging fruit when it comes here, but as some of you may have seen, completely, I would say, unprompted by me. Dan Crenshaw, the sitting representative out of Texas there, has started attacking me on Twitter. Now, I will say I don't. I don't exactly know what the deal with Dan Crenshaw is. He's a weird guy and I'm, you know, like, he's. I think. I think he's got some issues with alcohol, is my suspicion. I mean, there was this.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

We're not going to fault him for that, though. I mean, if we're going to criticize a guy, that's not the thing we're going to go after them for.

[Dave Smith]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm saying handle your fucking booze, dude. Like, what's wrong with you? We all drink. You're the only one making it weird. Well, no, he had like some incident in Mexico on a congressional trip there and then he was like banned from congressional international travel for months because I forget what, we got kicked out of a bar or something like that. But anyway, which look, you know, I honestly probably of all the things about the guy that, that might be the only thing I kind of like about him. The rest is pretty bad. But if you remember this, Rob, and this must have been from like, like this was a while ago, like four or five years ago. You remember he used to like, he used to lurk in our comment section.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I don't think that was him. I think that was.

[Dave Smith]

No, no, no, no, dude, it was him. Brian showed me like you could click on the thing and it was from. It was him or someone from his official account would like lurk in our comment section. And then I also happen to know like some behind the scenes stuff that I shouldn't. But just say he's reached out to some people before and been like, you can't have this Dave Smith guy on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And. And then as a response to that, he, he was, it was proposition that we debate, which he immediately said no to. So anyway, he's been aware of, of who I am for a weird amount of time. Like not just. It kind of makes sense, like maybe over the last year, maybe over the last couple years, but like before that he was like, aware of, of me and obviously not, not a fan as he's, you know, trying to be the, the John McCain of this generation in the Senate. But so he came at me on Twitter and I did think that this was actually like, I thought this was something worthy of bringing to the show because it's not just. Well, first of all, it's a, an actual Congressman who's like arguing with us here. So, okay, you're somebody who holds political power. And then on top of that, like what, the way he came at me and then what he was trying to do afterward. I don't know if you saw any of this, Rob, but he's basically trying to make it that like he, he quote, tweeted somebody else saying that I was denigrating him for his military service or something like that. So now, the angle that they're trying to go with, which is quite pathetic, is that I was insulting all of the troops when I was insulting Dan Crenshaw, which, to be very clear here, I was just insulting Dan Crenshaw, which I refused to stop doing.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

It's amazing how politicians will turn supposedly real men. I mean, the guy did real service in the military. Into the bitchiest of tactics of how dare you. Shame on you. What you said was offensive. And clearly that wasn't even your statement. But even if it was, you can actually just be a dude and have a conversation or take on ideas to go with the just direct to shame on you. You should be ashamed of yourself and all the. The feelings of all these individuals that I'm going to speak on behalf of them. It's like just the most lowly female liberal behavior.

[Dave Smith]

Yes.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

If we're going to rank female liberal, like, annoying behavior, I mean, that's got to be on the top of the list.

[Dave Smith]

It's. It's like on the level of, like, the most annoying. Like, like chick, you know, saying the most annoying thing and then you go, that's so annoying. And she goes, oh, it's because I'm a woman. And you're like, no, it's because you're. You. Like, what. What are you hiding behind all this nonsense? And also. Anyway, so just, I. I'll just read what was written. And then I wanted to. To, you know, make a few points about it, but. So Dan Crenshaw just tweeted at me. He said, uh, Dan, it. Dave Smith. Seriously, this random comedian has gotten way too much attention as a pseudo intellectual on foreign policy. We all know Candace has lost it, but don't forget about her co conspirators. They're all in on the grift, begging for your engagement on social media. So again, it's just like you said, just all of them. They all argue like teenage girls. Like, it's just that not one point, not anything of substance, just you're a poo poo pants is basically what they come at you with. Like, what are you. Like, how do you. How does a grown man write this, send it and not just feel ashamed inside? It's just very weird. I did, by the way. It made me laugh that Quint's response was. He said, if you. If you debate Dave, I'll donate $5,000 to your favorite charity. And then he put in parentheses apac, which I did.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

That is great.

[Dave Smith]

I don't know. That really made me laugh because APEC is Dan's favorite charity is just. I thought that was good. So then I said something like, I go, random comedian. Well, then why is a sitting congressman wasting time talking to a random comedian? In which he responded. And this to me was. Was. What was it? So here, here's his response. So we could take this apart a little bit, but he said, I waste time addressing you because unfortunately you have enough people who buy into your nonsense. Maybe you're funnier than I thought. Maybe labeling me a war hawk. What war did I ever vote for, Dave? Yeah, I was in college, not a congressman. Sorry. I just fought and sacrificed in those wars so that grifters like you could sit back and safely build up conspiratorial narratives about all of it. So Dave DeCamp, by the way, the great Dave DeCamp [e-mail] he did jump on the. The part about he's going, I'm not a Warhol guy. I don't support wars. And pointed out Dan's entire voting record. He voted for the war in Syria and Yem. And he voted against troops being pulled out. He voted for and, you know, of course, Ukraine and Gaza, whatever. He's supported every war he's had the opportunity to support. But I jumped more on the other point, which I just think that this, this goes well beyond a petty, like, beef between me and Dan Crunch, which, again, like, I don't have a beef with Dan Crunch. Dan Crenshaw is a petty beef with me because I'm against the war party, like, but I don't have a petty beef with him. He's not even really a very major fig in. Within the war party. But I do have a real issue with both. Look, I'd be completely honest with this. I have an issue with Yvette in general, who fought in the terror wars, saying that these wars protected your freedom. I mean, how the hell have you not woken up yet to this? Now, that's not. I'm not like, sitting here and trying to, like, I'm not blaming the vets. In fact, I think the argument is very pro military. Like, the idea is that we don't want your brothers and sisters, mostly brothers, to. To die for no reason and have their lives ruined and all this shit. But for Dan Cringer, for a sitting member of Congress to still be saying that the reason why I can podcast, the reason why I can, like, I'm safe to do this because of the war on terrorism is. I mean, it's an appalling thing to believe in 2025, which makes absolutely no sense. Whatsoever. I mean, first of all, look, the only theater in the war on terrorism. I mean, what are the theaters in the war on terrorism, Rob? There was Iraq and Afghanistan, There was Libya, there was Somalia, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Niger. I think I'm missing a couple of the other countries that Libya like spilled into there in northern Africa, a couple other northern African countries. None of them had anything to do with 9, 11, except Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda was housed. Okay, that's just not like. And so we took out Al Qaeda by Christmas of December 2001. And then we fought a 20 year regime change war against the Taliban. So in other words, the Taliban never commit. The Taliban's a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan. There were no threat to Americans freedom. Saddam Hussein certainly was no threat. Anyway, the point is, no matter how many people in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in Somalia, in Yemen, in Pakistan, how many people you killed there, that had nothing to do with protecting anybody's freed. And it's pretty appalling for, for a sitting member of Congress to like, claim that in any meaningful sense. I'm able to podcast in a way. I literally, the only thing the war on terrorism has done for me, podcasting has given me a bunch of content that I'll grant you, you've given me a bunch of wars to oppose, and you've handed me the easy card of winning a million debates because I'm just on the side that's against mass murder for no reason. Well, that's all that has been affected.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I think if we fought more wars, we could be even more free. Prove me wrong, right? Prove me wrong that there isn't more freedom available for us.

[Dave Smith]

This is, this is the logic that we're dealing with here with, with Dan Crenshaw. So I pointed out, I responded to him and I said, you fought In a catastrophic 20 year regime change war against the Taliban that failed and left a better armed Taliban. How did that make any American safer to have any, you know, like what? Just give me the logic of this. And then that's when his response is, so. So he didn't respond to me again. Then some other hack on Twitter said, said, don't attack veterans for fighting wars that they were called to serve. So that's it. And then Dan Crenshaw, quote, tweets that and starts going off about how I've revealed what a truly reprehensible person I am for, you know, attacking veterans for serving in wars. Although, like, again, it's like all these guys, they have to like, there don't get me Wrong people like Dan Crenshaw. He's a very unimpressive person. He is not bright, but he's not this stupid. Like, nobody who is capable of speaking in complete sentences is so stupid that they wouldn't understand that. Rob, the point I was just making was that attacking a veteran for serving in a war. No, the critique was claiming that a war protected liberty when it clearly didn't. By the way, most veterans agree with me on this. This is like he wants to, he's trying to pull this thing like, what a reprehensible person you are. Because you, you know, you say these wars didn't protect your freedom. But the thing is, the veterans all know this. This is what, Even back in 2008, 2012, Ron Paul got more money from active duty military than anybody else. To this day, the veterans are the ones who are against the Forever wars as much as any other demographic in this country, partly because they actually sacrificed in them like Dan Crenshaw. But, you know, he betrays that sacrifice now by trying to get more, more military members hurt in these stupid wars. But anyway, I just so, so right away, I guess the first comment to just make, Rob, is like, how pathetic? How pathetic. Isn't that embarrassing? Just as, as an American, isn't it embarrassing to have a sitting member of getting in these, these Twitter spats, but then also just using the most disingenuous, like, bitchy girl fucking tactics? Get the fuck out of here, dude.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I like the idea of Dan Crenshaw sitting in his basement. He's got the one lamp up, he's got all the military plans out, and he sends out that tweet and then you fire back with the, the wars didn't make us safer. And he sits there and goes, oh, he fell right into my. I, I'm offended Trap.

[Dave Smith]

Like, yeah, really? Like, that's, that's it. That's what you got. What do you mean? You people. That's what you've got. Congressman Crenshaw. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Brunt Workwear. Brunt Workwear have the most comfortable work boots I've ever owned. They sent me a pair of these things. They're incredible. They look great. They're really cool looking boots. They, they're great for working and tough conditions. And they feel like a worn in pair of sneakers. And what's crazy, they felt that way the first time I put them on. I genuinely, if you need a good pair of work boots, you have to go Check out Brunt workwear. And by the way, it's not just boots. They also have a full range of high performance gear built for tough jobs. From heavy duty work pants to weather resistant jackets, Brunt designs durable, reliable workwear to keep you protected and productive in any condition. And with the temperatures dropping around the holiday season, it's time to treat yourself or the hard working man in your life to some real comfort. And now our listeners will get $10 off their entire order if they use the promo code problem at checkout. So go to bruntworkware.com and the promo code is problem for $10 off. And make sure to let them know that you heard about them right here on the part of the problem podcast. All right, let's get back into the show. By the way, another wonderful element of, of Twitter in all of this is just that this dude, he is just getting ratioed on every goddamn post. Like every, every post is just people just dunking on him because it's just, it's weird. Like, you know, when people go out, you know, it's like these, these people like congressmen who like, he's like, you know, protected by armed security every day and he's in his cushy office and he's going and giving speech. But then you wander out into Twitter, which is just like the wild wild west, and you try to bring this bullshit and he's just getting eaten up, which is, you know, a lot of fun. But anyway, also a lot of fun, but also it is a little bit indicative of just how much the audience is, is over this bullshit. But anyway, so, so he said now, now he says in this tweet where he quote, tweets the other guy, let me read this. So he goes, and for Dave Smith, he goes, I'll give you a simple answer about what we got from. For my sacrifice and the ultimate sacrifices, my friends paid no more 9 11s. That's what we got. Thank you, Dave Smith, for revealing what a truly reprehensible person you are. And I thought it was simply that Dave was. I'm sorry, I thought it was simply that Dave was uninformed and misguided. But that response to me below shows his total contempt for all veterans who have served. Okay, so just, I mean, on the last point, like obviously just pathetic. But you know, let's, let's go a little bit deeper than that. And I, you know, it's just funny also, you know, it kind of reminds me of like woke leftists when they would always get offended on behalf of Black people. And you're like, I don't know, I'm from Brooklyn, I've met black people and they're not like thin skinned snowflakes. One of the best things about black people is that they're not like pussy bitches like you liberal women are. And say the same thing to Dan Crenshaw here like this. You've offended all of us veterans. Shut up dude. I've met veterans. None of them are snowflake bitches like this. None of them go, you said the war didn't protect freedom. I'm offended. That's not how they are. You sit around in a room full of veterans, dude, and talk about how all the wars will bolt where all the wars were bullshit and sold off lies and you're going to get a lot of people going, huh? Yep, that's what you're gonna get. There might be a few in there who disagree, but even they're not gonna be snowflakes like this. But I did wanna, I like to the broader claim because I do think this should be responded to on the show, the claim here. And it is really, when you think about it like it is. I mean it's, it's the Dick Cheney logic, you know, it's, it's, it's Team B from the CIA logic, right? So like the logic would be, Rob, if the, if your radar doesn't detect any Soviet submarines, then that means the Soviets have made submarines that can't be detected by radar. Right? Like that's the logic of all of it. And so it's a similar type of thing where every, all evidence against your position just means your position is right. There wasn't another 9 11. It's, it's the COVID vaccine, Rob. You know, you get the vaccine and then you still get Covid and you get it so bad that you're in the hospital and they go, you would have been dead. It would have been that plus worse. Sure, you look at the terror wars and you see nothing positive out of them. But it would have been another 9 11.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I heard that without the tariffs, prices would be even higher.

[Dave Smith]

Right, Right. It's the constant like corrupt politicians, defense of failed policies across the board. But I, I think like even on another level you could scratch a little bit deeper there and go, well hold on, what do you mean by another 9 11? What is like, what do you mean a 9 11? Because like theoretically speaking, like when you say another 9 11, I mean the Twin Towers are gone, right? So you're not talking about planes hitting the Twin Towers, again, you're saying another terrorist attack. And what's so horrible about terrorist attacks is that innocent people get killed, right? People die. And so, okay, so the war on terrorism, we, we lost about 7,000 soldiers. So already it's more than two 9 11s worth of military members who were killed. Now, of course, that, that number really gets changed when you factor in the approximately 30,000 U.S. military members who committed suicide in the aftermath of the wars. So now, like, I'm just saying, like, did you prevent another 911 or did you cause many more 9 11? Now, now, if you want to bring in the. Obviously, this doesn't mean anything to Dan Crenshaw because all those brown people in those countries aren't people. But the death toll is around 4 million. And that's what the Cost of War project put the number at. If you go through, like, obviously the big ones are in Iraq, about a million people died. In Afghanistan, I think it was a couple hundred thousand people died. He put about 500,000 in Syria, about 500,000 in Yemen. You factor in the. Libya is really where we don't have the best numbers. But I mean, it's got to be how many people died as a result of that thing being turned into a failed state is pretty damn high. But anyway, the cost of what project, they put it at approximately 4 million. So again, the point is, you didn't avoid another 911. You committed a thousand of them. So right on the, like, what exactly do we mean avoided a 911? Also, there's, there's like the, there's conflations between certain things, right? So like, let's say hypothetically, there were like, there were a lot of things that were done after 9 11, right, Rob? But so like, like little things, like you're allowed to have a gun on a plane now. They lock the cockpit door. Just locking the cockpit door changes the entire landscape of 9 11. But like, if you locked the cockpit door and you're like, oh, now it's much harder to hijack planes now there won't be another 9 11. You didn't need to fight seven wars. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, so there might be some things that we've done that might like, be like, oh, this will make it more difficult. Even if you wanted to count like the TSA or something like that. Even though I don't think either of us are going to argue that that does much, but that has nothing to do with the wars. Like, you have to actually demonstrate how fighting those wars prevented another nine, 11, because there's no way you can do that. Al Qaeda grew in number. ISIS formed during the terror wars. The radical Sunni terrorist problem only got worse as a result of these wars. And also, Rob, it did come with a price tag to it. The price tag was about $8 trillion. Now, is anyone going to say that spending $8 trillion on a failed mission made us more secure? Was that. Was that good for our national security? In fact, I think many people have argued that the debt is one of our biggest national security threats. So, look, forget the little Twitter spat. What's really, like. What's really revealed here is how disgusting this mentality is. And I found this kind of interesting because it speaks to, like, a more general theme on the show. That is he's like, in this same post, within one post, it's all contained in a tweet. Dan Crenshaw is talking about what a morally reprehensible person I am. And then he's also defending wars of aggression and choice that killed millions of people. And like, man, one of those is bad enough, but to combine the two together and then think that there's anything like that, you have the moral high ground to judge anybody else. You know, I've seen this over and over again. Like, I just had a thing with one of the Babylon B guys about this, Alex Berenson. Of course, the who is kind of just sad, and I don't really want to continue our feud at all. But he came out defending the war in Iraq, too. And it's like, to me, why? Like, somebody's going to have to explain to me, why is that not a thousand times worse than the worst things Nick Fuentes has ever said, like, why. Why is it that you guys can sit here and defend mass murder campaigns that were clearly sold off lies? Like, by the way, Alex Berenson, which is Alex Berenson worked at the New York Times while they were lying us into the war in Iraq. Now, when he defends the war in Iraq today, is he defending any of those lies? No, he can't. They've all been exposed. But he just goes, iraq is a better place today than it was in 2002. I mean, very debatably, very debatably. Is it a better place than it was in 2002? But, like, in order to get to that place, you had to kill a million people, dislocate like, 9 million more, lose thousands of American servicemen, tens of thousands committing suicide in the way, is life better for them? Is it better for any of their family? Members. Oh, yeah, you just yada yada over the mass murder part and then go, oh, well, I think the result is better than the beginning. I'm sorry, you are, like, you are a worse person than the worst groiper. Like, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to be outraged about, like, sarcasm from young men online, but you guys celebrate. You like, you bloodthirsty monsters, you celebrate mass killing. You know, people objected to what Tucker Carlson said when he was on the show, and he said that, like, what animates all of these people is death. Like, they're in this giant death cult. But they are. They're all in a death culture cult, man. They. They go, oh, Hamas is a death cult. Yeah, it is. You're in one too. Like, this is. You know, it.

[Dave Rubin]

In.

[Dave Smith]

In the world of being offended and clutching pearls. Well, like, how about that? How about being offended by defending the mass slaughter of innocent women and children? That seems to be a good place to start. I'm offended by that. Dan Crenshaw. By the way, I will say in closing on the response to Dan Crenshaw, again, like you said, the reason why you're wasting time on a random comedian is because I've got a big following and a whole lot of people are believing my bullshit. Okay, fine. So you're posting to try to, you know, expose me or something like that. So why not come do it, man? I mean, you chickened out once, but, like, why not come come on the show. Let's see how it goes. Let's see you come bring that Dick Cheney bullshit to me, and let's see how that works out for you. Open challenge Dan Crenshaw. Now run and hide, Congressman. Go back to Capitol Hill, because you know, you don't want any of that. Open invite. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee. I'm so excited about this product. I genuinely love it. It's delicious coffee and it makes you feel good if you' down over 30. And let's be honest, when you get over 30, you notice that you're not quite what you used to be. Part of that is decreased testosterone levels. This helps. Go drink some Body Brain Coffee. You're gonna feel better. It's got a ton of great ingredients in it that naturally boost testosterone. They give you energy. It just makes you feel great. And of course, it is the brainchild of the great Louis J. Gomez, who really is the one who convinced me to do stand up comedy and podcasting. So like, if you love part of the problem, you owe a debt of gratitude to Louis J. Gomez. And the best way to help pay that is to go get yourself some delicious coffee. Bodybraincoffee.com is the website. And now for a limited time for Black Friday holidays. Deal. You got a new promo code DAVE30, and that'll get you 30% off your order before Monday. So between now and Monday, if you go to bodybraincoffee.com and use the promo code Dave30, you'll get 30% off your entire order. There's a great product run by one of our own. So let's make sure that we go rally around him and make this thing a huge success. Bodybraincoffee.com promo code Dave30 for 30% off. All right, let's get back into the show.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I know how we prevent another 911.

[Dave Smith]

How's that?

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

You just don't build buildings so high people want to knock them over. Simple.

[Dave Smith]

There you go. Two story maximum.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

That's it. This is people.

[Dave Smith]

This is the new normal.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Stick to inconspicuous buildings. You know what else you can do is not train foreign terrorists or fun, fun Islamic extremists and call them, call them whatever, the middle ground or. What was, what was Obama's thing? The. The jv. The jv. No, it was like the media terrorists, the rational. The. What was this?

[Dave Smith]

Oh, the moderate rebels.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Yeah, the moderate rebels. Quit funding and arming moderate rebels. Go listen to the intro of this very show.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, there you go. Well, that was. So they were both, both those quotes were like in the same thing. Because when he was pushing the moderate rebel, which by the way, isn't that, that really is one of the fun government lies ever. This is when they were starting the dirty war in Syria and. Or I guess it was a year after they had started the thing, but where they said essentially that there were like, okay, so we knew that Bashar Al Assad was the leader of Syria. And then they knew that the bin Ladenite head choppers were amongst the resistance. But then they tried to convince you that there were moderate rebels in the middle who were going to be able to defeat both sides through their moderation. And then like, just imagine, first of all, like when you're talking about a civil war, I think by definition anyone who picks up a rifle and jumps into the war can. You can't really call them a moderate anymore, Rob. And then like, if you were going to say that these moderates are so like, you have to make the Argument that they're moderate guerrilla fighters who are such, like, killers that they could take out the Assad government and take out Al Qaeda and isis, but they're still moderate. That's a tough. So they really draw. And. And of course, who would be stupid enough to run with that? The New York Times. That's who's stupid enough to run with the idea that we have moderate. But so at the same time, when Obama was trying to sell you on the moderate rebels, he referred to ISIS as the jv because he was trying to downplay, like, the growing threat of isis. And so he was like, ah, those guys, little JV guys. And then they invaded western Iraq and conquered the thing, and they didn't seem so jv. It was a real varsity move that they pulled off when they invaded Iraq. Okay, all right, we should. We should switch gears because there are a couple of other things that we wanted to talk about. By the way, if you guys are in the live chat, if you want to put some questions in there, I will do my best to. To get to a few. If you want to be a member of the live chat, you got to sign up [e-mail] Great way to support the show. We really appreciate it. Okay, so there were a couple other things that I thought were important that we, you know, had not discussed yet this week. One of the major ones is it's one of these stories that I do think is much bigger than the actual story. But I know you've been following this. James Comey, all charges dismissed. What can you even say about this, Rob? I mean, it seems to me from. From everything I've read about it, it seems pretty uncontroversial that the story here, at least on the surface of it, not saying there's not more to it, there quite possibly is, but at least on the surface is that the prosecutor completely messed up this thing. And like, all types of, like, little technical things that are just like that. They go ahead.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. I did interrupt you. You're right, but you're wrong. So the prosecutor did make errors, and the biggest error was they didn't show the final document to the grand jury and also promised that there was going to be additional bad evidence that they didn't actually present to the grand jury. That's actually not why it got thrown out. It got thrown out because both this and the Letitia James case both got thrown out because she was not her status was granted improperly. And so you need to get like actual congressional approval for these appointees unless they're on a temporary basis and she had overstayed the amount of time that would have been like the temporary basis. And they just reappointed her anyways. And so it's very. This is what, from my understanding. So it's very technical. The judge basically just threw it out as she's. She's not allowed to be in that position. Both cases can be rebrought.

[Dave Smith]

Right.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Comey case is less likely to be rebroad because it's past the statute of limitations. The Letitia James one, I think, probably will get rebrought. So it actually was like, it's just classic Donald Trump being a loser and that they did something in a sloppy fashion and they can't walk away from a victory on the Comey case. Clearly guilty would have been good to take down someone in the deep state who clearly did Donald Trump wrong. But it's just Donald Trump loser shit that when it, when push comes to shove, they're just kind of sloppy and they don't, they don't execute well. So in this one, yes, you're 100% right. The prosecutor did do a bunch of stuff that probably also would have gotten the case thrown out, but that's actually not why it was dismissed.

[Dave Smith]

Right, right.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Dismissed because of.

[Dave Smith]

She shouldn't be there to begin with.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Yeah. I think it was actually probably in an error by the ag, whatever that lady's name is.

[Dave Smith]

Pam Bondi. Yeah, it's just mishandled on every level. And you know, there's something obviously with Comey. You know, the thing that's bigger about this is that, look, we all watched this, okay? They, when they tried to bury the Epstein story, they immediately pivoted to Russiagate. And that's when Tulsi came out with this press conference. She said, we have the proof that Obama committed treason were her words. And you know, I don't think it technically is treason and probably the DNI should be real, real precise with the language she's using, but some type of sedition, a seditious conspiracy or something like that. Now, obviously, Comey is one of the top people involved in the Russiagate, you know, hoax. I don't even like, know Donald Trump branded it as the Russia Gate hoax. You know, I always, for years, me and you, when we covered this, Rob, I always branded it as a deep state led attempted coup against a sitting US President. Because I don't, I do think there's something about hoax sounds almost like a little like oh, you almost got me with that one. Whereas, like, a deep state attempted coup sounds more like the constitutional crisis that it really is. But Comey was. Look, the. The key players in it were Obama, Brennan and Comey. And then, of course, later there, you know, McCabe and ultimately Mueller, and then there were the Strock and, you know, all these other, like, you know, outside figures. But, like, Comey was by far the highest one, the highest ranking one that they ever saw any. I mean, almost nobody has paid anything for Russiagate. There's the one lawyer at the FBI who did get charged and convicted for. For misleading the FISA courts. I don't believe he did any jail time, though. But everybody else has been fine, I guess. Struck, got fired and whatever.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

But then they. They gave him back his pension.

[Dave Smith]

Right, right, right. So, like, really? No, but. So, okay, now Comey. Now they weren't going after Comey for Russiagate, exactly. They weren't charging him with, like, leading a seditious conspiracy against the President of the United States. But they. They did. His. The charge of, like, leaking classified information was related to the Russiagate thing. And so it kind of. It seemed like an attempt from the regime to at least throw you from. From the administration, I should say, to at least throw you something. Let's say we got to give some red meat to our base, so let's at least give them Comey. And then, of course, to watch that whole thing fall apart, it is just like, look, it's like it's another just nail in the coffin of the Trump era. The idea of draining the swamp, all of this stuff. You know, it's like essentially they were like, okay, I can't drain the swamp, but the best I could do is I could get Comey for you. Is that okay? Oh, by the way, we can't even get that. We can't even. In case where he's dead to rights, he clearly did what he's accused of and there still will be no punishment for it.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

And the biggest disgrace was at least it was exciting, where you're like, all right, maybe we'll start with Comey and they'll go after the other ones. But just sloppy. They couldn't get it done. And believe me, after. After losing this one, I don't know how enthusiastic they're going to be to go after other individuals and lost it in such pathetic fashion, didn't even make it to trial. Like, look at what happened to Donald Trump. I mean, there was a similar thing that the Atlanta case got thrown out because the prosecutor was Spending all the money on her boyfriend so that her boyfriend would then use the money and take her out on trips. But that still pinned him down for two full years. Like, they brought a bunch of bullshit cases, but they were able to run with it for three years. The Donald Trump people, I mean, they're just bad executors that there's no reason why this couldn't have been brought sooner. There's no reason that with the Crossfire hurricane and everything that happened, they can't go after one person and then they bring one lawsuit. It literally gets thrown out within three weeks. Now Comey can go hit the media circuit and go, hey, look, I told you I was 100. Firstly, it's funny because the grounds of the case were not even addressed. They just, they just didn't assign a prosecutor properly.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, and I'll say I have, you know, who knows what's going to happen? But I have very low confidence that they'll even bring these charges again or that anything, you know, it's like, it's like with all of these things, at a certain point, you got to admit there is no 40 chests. There is no plan. You're just getting nothing. That's, that's what's actually happening here. We're all better off admitting that sooner rather than later. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Mars Men. As many of you know, testosterone levels have been dropping across the country and that's not good. Testosterone is very helpful for physical performance and recovery and things that a lot of men care about. But now you have an advantage because you can go get Mars Men. It supports healthy testosterone levels, energy and stamina. It's got eight natural, clinically dosed ingredients. It's made in the USA, third party tested. Plus there's a 90 day money back guarantee, so there's no risk to you. Worst case, you don't absolutely love it and you get your money back. But over 91% of users reported higher energy levels. Thousands of guys are feeling incredible results. Just check out the reviews on the website to see for yourself. And for a limited time only, our listeners can get 60% off for life and three free gifts. When you use the promo code problem at men go to mars.com that's men go to mars.com promo code problem for 60% off for life and three free gifts. Check it out. Today, men go to mars.com promo Code problem. All right, let's get back into the show. Okay, let's you Know what? Let's. What was the other.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I think that's a good transition into Doge being done.

[Dave Smith]

Sure, sure. Yeah, you're right. And that is a good transition there. Yeah. Doge is. Has officially disbanded. Huh. What a run. Well, what did, what did we get? What did we get in terms of cuts? Nothing. Not a penny.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I saw the headline somewhere from the administration that while Doge is done, the, the value. And I'm like, you guys didn't even do anything while it was there. And you want to talk about one of the early hopes for Donald Trump was Doge. Like, that was one of the actual real hopes for Donald Trump was like, wow, they might get this smart tech billionaire to comb through all the government funds and actually reduce spending. And then we found out pretty quickly that they weren't doing that. But then people wanted to say, no 4D chess, Donald Trump is serious. No, they're going to do it. The things will be implemented. And here you have it. Within one year. Firstly, the best case scenario clearly didn't come true. Donald Trump wants to spend as much as the greatest ever. Spending more than anyone ever. He wants to spend more than anyone ever, is going to make zero effort whatsoever. And he had a mandate on that. People were very excited by, let's clean up the spending. I don't even think they're going after the, all the supposed NGO funding that the Democrats are basically using against mine and yours interests. We had a couple of goofy storylines about things that were going to like trans kids in Brazil. And then I think I actually, I don't know if that stuff got refunded, but a lot of it did get just refunded when they did like the next, the next budget. But I mean, we're within one year of Donald Trump's presidency and Elon Musk walked away from that project and I guess they're formally shutting it down. So for everyone that gave me shit three months ago, it's like the COVID stuff. You couldn't have been more wrong. Donald Trump has absolutely no interest in reducing the size, scope or spending of our government. Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

And, and look, if he did, obviously, as, as we've said many times, he could have pressured Congress to, to give him a bill with real spending cuts. He had all the juice in the world amongst the Republican Party who controlled all of Congress are talking when he first came in earlier this year, he could have done that. And instead, you know, I remember, I know I've told this before on the show. I try to never like, you know, give anything away of private conversations. But I, you know, I told you I had dinner with Vivek Ramaswamy. You know, it was short. I kind of. Well, it was the night that Jon Jones fought Stipe Miocic. So it was, you know, shortly after Trump had won the election, and Doge was just getting started. And I basically had said to him, you know, I said to him over dinner, I was kind of like, well, you know, the thing is that, you know, it's not a real government program, and I was hoping Vivek would have gotten a position with a little more teeth in it. You know what I mean? But I said, hey, well, look, the bright side is that what Doge can do is it can really insert this issue of the unsustainable debt and government spending and all this stuff. Like, we. You. You have an opportunity to, like, popular. Popularize this stuff in a way that no one has before. And so that's pretty cool. And then he was real. He was like, no, no, no, dude, you don't understand. We got tricks up our sleeves that these guys haven't thought of yet. And we got all. And, like, he believed it. I don't think he was trying to sell me on it, of course. I think a few weeks later, he was out. And then, of course, none of that ended up materializing. But you're absolutely right, Rob, when you say, look, Donald Trump ran on Doge. They were actually, like, talking about creating a department of Efficiency in government, like, on the campaign trail with Elon Musk speaking at campaign events. So there was a bit of a mandate there. Like, it's not like if you didn't talk about anything at all, and then you got in and wanted to do it. Like, no, the people heard that, and you won the election. You. You had the backing of the. The people on this issue. There was such big talk, such big talk about how we're going to cut $2 trillion in the first year and nothing's off limits, including the Pentagon, and we're going to have, you know, and look, there is. Doge is a thing that hadn't been tried before. It. It was headed up by the richest guy in the world who's, like this super genius, you know, guy. And, hey, who the hell knows? You know, he had just bought Twitter and. And rolled back the old regime in this unbelievable power move that, like, would have been inconceivable. Even when he started doing it, you were like, wait, he's got to free up $44 billion. Like, how the hell could anyone do that? And then he did it. So maybe he could pull something off here. But at the same time, I think we got to be honest with ourselves. You know, it's not even a year later and the whole thing's disbanded and the cuts are negative. The. The spending has increased. Not only did they not cut a penny, there's like, we didn't even get, like, we got negative spending cuts, we got spending increases. And for now, there. There probably was some good in the fact that, like, yeah, it exposed some stuff that USAID was doing or something like that. But overall, the mission is a very clear failure. And that's something we, again, that's something we all got to grapple with, because reality, Reality has a way of existing, whether you acknowledge it or not.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Just think about how incredible the storyline is. Of all right, we got this tech wizard. His name's Big Balls. He's going to comb through all the information like nobody ever has. There's all of this disjointed way that they're doing the budgeting so that no one can track it. We're in month one, and we found massive fraud. We see money that's just basically being used by the CIA to be sent abroad. We've got Social Security fraud, and then we're not looking into this anymore. Hey, guys, I know that the government's spending too much money, but guess what? I might be able to get it under control if we can just find the fraud. Oh, my God, we found so much fraud. You know what? We're going to stop looking at that.

[Dave Smith]

Yep. And. And look, I mean, that's like you said before, the thing that's been very clear here is that Donald Trump does not, nor has he ever had any real commitment to any type of fiscal sanity or any type, or to really ever drain the swamp. It's just not like Donald Trump. I think it's pretty clear to say at this point he is not animated by any of the issues that he ran on. It's just not really what animates him. What he is animated by his own greatness and his own legacy. He. He tells you that himself over and over again. And at a certain point, you know, the old when someone tells you who they are, you should listen thing, that's essentially who Donald Trump is. All right, let's. Let's transition to before we wrap up here, because this was, I thought, was pretty fun on that theme. When someone tells you who they are, you should listen. And Dave Rubin has been telling you that he's an idiot for many years. Now. And so you really should listen to him when he tells you that. Dave Rubin, of course, is a guy who, you know, I'm, I'm not a big fan of and he's not a big fan of mine either. If, if you guys remember, earlier in the year, I, I, I called him out and challenged him to a debate and he, he accepted publicly and then has dodged. You know, I know that patch bit. David tried to set it up. I know Pierce Morgan tried to set it up. I think someone else, I think maybe it was Zero Hedge. I think someone else tried to set it up too. He's ghosted all of them and not responded to their, their request. So he's not gonna do that. But we did get the next best thing, which is that Piers Morgan who. I would like to think that maybe I've played some role in nudging Piers Morgan in the right direction. I've sure done a show enough and made a lot of these arguments. But Piers Morgan sat down with Dave Rubin and they ended up at least a portion of this. I have not watched more than this clip, which is a little edited up, but I'm, I'm assured from a lot of people that Pierce really kicked his ass on this part of the show. But so here was Dave Rubin and Pierce Morgan arguing over Israel's conduct in Gaza.

[Piers Morgan]

You acknowledge that there's been no starvation, correct?

[Dave Rubin]

No.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't acknowledge.

[Dave Rubin]

I don't acknowledge that.

[Piers Morgan]

Where are the, where are the videos and images of the starving Gazans?

[Dave Rubin]

Well, I've seen a lot, but you would dismiss them all as fakes. The UN says there was starvation, but you guys don't believe a word the UN says. The other official bodies say there was starvation. You don't want to hear a word they say. Israel denies everything. You can say that no Gazan has starved at all. The reports by almost every official body say the opposite, but you don't believe them. However, the best way to get to the truth is let journalists who are used to covering in war zones, let them go in and do their job. Particularly now we have the ceasefire. There is a reason the Israeli government is not letting the media in. They are terrified about what the world will uncover.

[Dave Smith]

I just think that's. Just let him in.

[Dave Rubin]

I just think there's one way to find out.

[Piers Morgan]

A lot of them look fat. They have fresh clothes, fresh aircraft.

[Dave Rubin]

I see some images of Palestinians looking hungry.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

And you wouldn't dispute the 20,000 plus children.

[Piers Morgan]

So who's, whose fault is that before?

[Dave Smith]

So whose fault is that probably the people who killed them might have something to do with it. But again, doesn't just leave you in this, like, for people who are trying to be like, who, who attempt to like constantly weaponize being offended. Is there anything anyone's ever said that's more horrific than this? Like, and especially, and, and I'm sorry, Rob, but it is a little bit different if you're talking about something that happened 80 years ago. Like, you know, they all get so worked up over Holocaust denial or something like that. But like, even if somebody's denying the Holocaust, they are denying it 80 years later. Just feels a little bit different than denying it when you can look at the imagery of it, the way, the way Dave Rubin and genuinely look, Dave Rubin's genuinely dumb. This isn't a guy who reads. He maybe read the Free piece, the Free Press piece that was like saying, oh, which by the way, it wasn't even saying there's no starvation. If you actually read the piece, it was saying that it's only the kids with pre existing medical conditions who are really starving the most or something like that. But he's sitting, he's gonna sit there and say, like, I don't know. Rob, you've been on social media for the last two years. Natalie, I'm sure you've been on social media a bit for the last two years. I might on a little bit more chronically than you two are. How many images of what's going on in Gaza have you seen over the last two years? Just. And Dave Rubin characterizes that as the kids all look fat and happy. Really? You don't think it's been a traumatic couple of years for those kids? Like, that's, I mean, just. I don't know what is more disgusting than this. These people get morally outraged about other people. It's just too much. Sorry, go ahead, Rob.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

You know, I have had the thought because we've seen images of people post Holocaust that are human skeletons. And we even saw pictures of in Yemen when the starvation was going on. And there were some horrific, horrific pictures there. I have seen footage from within Gaza where I'm like, some of these people don't look starving. But then on the same note, we've all clearly seen people getting killed on food lines because they're so hungry they're willing to be on a food line. And I think Piers certainly frames it well where he goes, well, every official agency is saying that there's a food problem there. Why are you saying that there isn't? And at first he Goes, well, that's just outrageous. And then I guess he basically concedes it and then goes, well, who fault. Whose fault is it? Which is basically an admission of, well, then that is a problem in the region.

[Dave Smith]

Right? Yeah, it's.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

So it's almost interesting of Ruben to delve in and go with, like, I'm just saying, if you and I were having the argument of there is no food problem in Gaza, we'd probably have the information on that. It wouldn't be from a single image. You would go, oh, actually, there's blank amount of food available. Or you might even have a storyline of how much food is available but has been siphoned off from Hamas. But it's a little bit interesting to just, I guess, position it as fact that nobody's hungry in the area with nothing to back up that claim and put it on peers and go, why do you think people are hungry? And he goes, well, every agency saying that. Why do you think otherwise? And Rubin doesn't really have much of a response.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, I mean, there was. There was that major piece in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, several months back, three or four months ago. It's a killing field or something like that was the title where they actually had several IDF soldiers who admitted that they were given orders to shoot into the crowd of live ammunition.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

People are on food lines for the television optics. It makes it look bad. So they just line up every day. They go out there to get shot at, and they don't actually even need the food.

[Dave Smith]

Now, to be clear, this was. This was a regular occurrence. This was how they were. This is how they were essentially using crowd control is. So they would just fire live rounds at the crowd away from the area where they want them to go. And the thing is, they're doing this at night and people, you know, people freak out when you start shooting at them. And so a whole bunch of people start running in different directions. A bunch of people got killed. I mean, it was like hundreds and hundreds of people. It might have, I think I read 2,000 people, they said died this way, died from being killed at the food sites. And yet these people kept coming back. Like, think about how hungry you'd have to be to go. Like, imagine you're waiting on a line for a little bit of food, and then people start firing rounds of live ammunition at you. You'd have to really be pretty food insecure to continue showing up on those lines. Okay. Also, as Pierce correctly points out, everybody that looks into everybody, not one where everybody that looks into this has all concluded that there is starvation in Gaza and has been for quite a while. So Dave Rubin starts like you do accept that there's no starvation? Like that's only something in your insane Zionist circles that people accept what wasn't.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Part of the current peace agreement that Israel had to allow aid back in.

[Dave Smith]

Yes.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Isn't that a United States admission of the fact that I guess aid is needed.

[Dave Smith]

Dude, they had a full blockade for three months where they let nothing through. And their finance minister Smotrich openly bragged that not one grain of wheat will enter Gaza and it didn't. They did it for three months after almost two years of destroying the place. Yeah, this is totally uncontroversial to him.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

It's just a hoax that we've been led to believe that there isn't food war.

[Dave Smith]

Israel never did nothing. That's what Dave Rubin.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I'm gonna guess all the buildings are still there too.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, that's what gay baby thief Dave Rubin would have you believe. There's just nothing Israel's ever done wrong. All right, let's, let's keep lying.

[Dave Rubin]

The 20,000 plus children have died. Right?

[Piers Morgan]

So who's. Whose fault is that?

[Dave Rubin]

I mean you don't honestly think that life for a young Palestinian kid in Gaza in the last two years has been anything but utter healthy? I do believe the three month blockade earlier this year was a criminal blockade. I believe it was deliberate starvation of a people deliber denying them food and aid.

[Piers Morgan]

If you has any other country in the history of the world been told.

[Dave Smith]

To feed the people that convention actually.

[Dave Rubin]

Operate, well then no other country wants have the control that Israel has over Gaza, which again is a whole separate.

[Dave Smith]

Dude by the way. Can I just say, but Dave Rubin, what happened with me and him was that Dave Rubin like publicly was just insulting me and like called me a and said I don't know what I'm talking about. So then I challenged him and I was like, hey, why don't we debate? We'll see who's a moron and doesn't know what they're talking about. And then I went, but you're too much of a coward so you won't do it. So then he went, I'm not a coward, I will do it. And then he just refused to do it. He played that well. That was the best way to put like. That's. That was very wise of Dave Rubin did not show up. Could you imagine him coming in debating me with like this is actually what he's got is like how pathetic the line of argument goes, oh, well, you expect Israel to feed the people that they're at war with. We don't really expect that of other people. By the way, Constantine did try to make this argument to me on trigonometry at what one point he was a nice guy about it. So I just said, but like goes. He goes, well, we don't expect Russia to feed Ukraine. And I went, yeah, but Russia doesn't have a blockade around Ukraine. There's never been an issue getting aid into Ukraine. In fact, Ukraine has received more aid over the last three years than any country in the world. So, like, yeah, it's kind of different. Like, yes, the, the right. It is funny because they'll bring this up as if it's like a gotcha. Oh, see, you have a double standard against Israel when actually, Rob, what is it? It's like, oh, yes, because you've occupied these people for 60 years and you have a full blockade around the country. That's why there's a responsibility on you, by the way, not to feed Gaza. That's not what anyone's asking Israel to do. What they're asking them to do is allow the international aid through. The world has sent aid to Gaza. It's waiting outside of Gaza and the IDF won't let it in. So I don't know what. Again, Dave Rubin doesn't know any of this because he just doesn't know anything. But what a ridiculous defense. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. The holiday season is here, and let's get real. The kitchen is where it all goes down. Big roasts, game day feasts, endless sides, all those holiday desserts. And if your current pots and pans aren't up to the task, go check out hexclad, the cookware that's as serious about performance as you are about carving up that holiday turkey. Their pans give you the perfect sear. Crazy durability, easy cleanup without the babysitting. They have stainless steel strength, toxin free, nonstick convenience. And yeah, they look pretty cool on top of the stove as well. I got a bunch of pots and pans from Hexclad. My wife loves them. They got a bunch of stuff. They have knives, they have pots, they have pans. All the kitchenware that you need. And this season, don't just shop for gifts. Give the upgrade that every kitchen deserves. Plus, our listeners can take 10% off at hex hexclad.com problem and cook like a pro all holiday season, treat yourself or give the gift of cookware that delivers for every meal, every gathering, every [e-mail] problem. That's H E X C L-A-D.com problem. Also let them know that you heard about him right here on the part of the Problem podcast. All right, let's get back into the show. Yeah, let's keep playing.

[Dave Rubin]

Show me another moment in the 75 year conflict where the response has been to kill 60 times as many people and where you have a. Well, hang on, let me finish. Where you have a government with people like Smodrich and Ben gvir, who begin publicly openly talking about ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians from Gaza, about annexing the west bank, about taking complete control of all of it, to the point that Donald Trump had to step in and say that is not happening.

[Piers Morgan]

Random ministers.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, they're not random. Talking about senior people in the government.

[Dave Smith]

No, no, no.

[Piers Morgan]

But them talking about things is different.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, I hear that a lot. Well, my point is this. You have a unique population in Gaza where half of them are under 18. There is a unique proportion of kids in this part of the world. Right. So at what point do you try and find a different way to resolve this? The only solution that seemed to be being offered by Netanyahu, Ben gvir, Smodrich and the others was to raise Gaza to the floor and to expel Palestinians. Netanyahu annex west bank tomorrow.

[Piers Morgan]

He's been in power for 20 something years. He could have done at any point. Notice he hasn't. I mean, come on. No, but I, but, well, there's a couple things here. I mean, first off, I don't think any country in the world has ever been asked to feed the people that are holding its hostage. Right. Like, would you. Has you, have you ever called for any other country to do that or anyone. Has anyone ever called for that?

[Dave Rubin]

British prisoners of war in World War II were fed. Yeah, but most of them. What Prisoners of war in World War II were fed. So what's the difference?

[Piers Morgan]

Because they were holding hostages, they're holding their people. I mean, to me it seems that.

[Dave Rubin]

You as a British people being held hostage in. But you, the Israeli government, which is a hard right government. Smodrich and Ben Gavir are not just right wing, they're absolute far right headbangers.

[Piers Morgan]

But meaning what? Meaning what? They have to.

[Dave Rubin]

Meaning what? They want to ethically cleanse the Palestinian people.

[Dave Smith]

This, it is, it's fun to watch Dave Rubin get destroyed like this, but it really is also. It just, I don't know, just reveals something, man. It's just like such a. It's. It's amazing how human beings can take such evil positions with such. Such a superficial understanding of like what's going on at all. And then just like explain away the word. I mean, like, it's like it's so obvious there when you look at it that it's just no matter what it is that they throw at you, you're gonna go, okay, I'll explain that away. Oh, here's Ben GVIR and Smotrich openly saying that their plan is ethnic cleansing. Oh, random ministers. Random ministers? You mean Defense and Finance Minister. He said it almost like it was like a random pastor at a church or something like that. A random minister made that comment. What? It's like two of the three most powerful people in the government. I believe the two most powerful. I think it's Katz, Ben Gavir, Smotrich, Netanyahu was more powerful in the government than that. It's just, you know, no matter what. Oh, here's all the reports of starvation. Nah, that ain't true. Here's all like. It's just, just that, like I. It's a very weird thing to me to be like as a human being. You could get to a level where you're just defending such blatant evil with no knowledge. I don't know. Final word to you, Rob.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

Check out Run youn Mouth. I got Kyle Anzalone coming on today for full briefing of everything going on. The geopolitics, the supposed end to the Russia, Ukraine war, Venezuela, money being sent to terrorists from Minnesota, money going into all the stuff and then live dates out in Denver. You can go to robbernstein comedy.com, click the links. But then go with the event Brights. My whole life's. And they're listed wrong on my website and I can't correct it, but that's about it. Come hang out, enjoy your Thanksgiving. Eat some turkey. Think of me when you have your sandwich. It's like we're hanging out.

[Dave Smith]

There you go. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. And of course I'll be off. Off for the month of December from traveling. The show of course, will go on, but 2026, me and Rob will be together on the road.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

You already got dates up, you got. You got Portland up, you've got Key West. We're going back there. That's going to be a Philly. Philly, yeah, Philly.

[Dave Smith]

And then I think there's one other. Yeah, I think there's a few comicdavesmith.com and then there should be a bunch more up within the next the next week or so. Thanks for listening everybody. Oh go ahead.

[Robbie the Fire Bernstein]

I was just gonna say that Philly room rules and we sold out all the shows last year, so don't sleep on your tickets. Same with Portland. We did a theater last time, nearly sold that out and that was like two years ago. So don't wait on your tickets for Portland and Key west if you can. If you can take a vacation, that's one of the funnest places in the country to be out roaming around and drinking. So I do recommend we're literally just.

[Dave Smith]

Going back because we had so much fun there last year. But yeah, looking forward to it. Thank you guys so much for listening. Happy Thanksgiving. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

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