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Dave Smith
Foreign. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you, good, sir.
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Robbie Bernstein
I'm still riding high from those Denver shows. That was electric. And now we're off to get some fancy steaks, some green room steaks from the old Greek man.
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Dave Smith
Yeah, we're going out to Hilarities in Cleveland, Ohio, which is one of the best comedy clubs. Love that place. And yeah, they have this, like, excellent steakhouse attached to the, to the comedy club. And just so typically, me and Rob are like, eating like a quesadilla with like a thing of guacamole that you have to, like, pull a lid off of. That was like, bought at the store. But we're going, we're going out to have some steaks this weekend. Come on out to, to Cleveland comicdab smith.com for those ticket links. So I wanted to. I wanted to start today's show right, or we'll see how long it takes. But I wanted to give some of my thoughts on this. This event that I was just at for Turning Point usa, I should say. First of all, we. So we were, we were in Denver at Denver Comedy Works all weekend. And I, I went from there to Florida to do this Turning Point events. Gotta at least take a moment to say what a weekend we had out in Denver. I mean, geez, Rob, that is. Listen, it is. It's a comedy mothership and Denver Comedy Works are the two best comedy clubs I've ever worked in my life. I mean, this, this weekend was just incredible. Every. If you're out in the Denver area, go check out a show at Comedy Works. Literally every aspect of the weekend was just perfect. Like, all the shows were sold out. The room is perfect, the staff was great. Just they really run a club the right way. And we got such a great fan base out there in Denver. Just excellent, excellent weekend. Robbie murdered on every show. It was great.
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Robbie Bernstein
Yeah, it really gives you a false sense of life. Telling that first joke up there. You just hear it, you're like, oh, man, this is what comedy used to feel like. This rules.
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Dave Smith
Yeah. Yeah, it was great. Great time. So more relevant to our show and to today's show is the going and doing this Turning Point USA event. And I have, I have some reflections on was. Well, first of all, I guess I just start by saying I should publicly, as I did on Twitter, thank Charlie Kirk for having me. He was really just, just very, very cool in every way. Like, he really pushed for me to be at this event. He was super cool to me the entire time we were there and I very much appreciated that. Okay, so, and also again, really Turning Point is really an incredible organization. Like the staff is great, everything runs. Really super, super professional organization. It's impressive what, what Charlie Kirk has built there. Okay. Now in terms of my, my big takeaway, my biggest takeaway from this, from going to this event, which really was very interesting, was you know how me and you, Rob, had been saying for the last couple episodes and we were like, you know, this Epstein thing is a real problem for Donald Trump. This isn't just, you know, a little thing that the base isn't happy about. This is like a really profound issue that is going to change the way his base looks at him. That was really solidified by my experience there, or maybe solidified isn't the right way to put it, but it's, it was validated for sure. Like this is, this is Charlie Kirk's Turning Point usa. And I'm sure as some of you guys saw, you know, in some of the clips that were going super viral like with Tucker Carlson and, or Megan Kelly, but when they're saying straight up that the, the government is covering up this, this child rapist intelligence operation, this blackmail ring they are getting, I mean it was like the overwhelming majority was, was with them. It was really something. And when you come out of an environment like that, like this is the most rah rah Donald Trump's base that there is. You know, like this is that you're at the epicenter of like the pro Trump crowd. And it was, it was kind of stunning to me to see that the, oh no, they are really not going along with this one. Even though Donald Trump straight up told them too. They're just not going along with this. So it seemed to me to be a huge indicator that we're on to something with that. Now I don't know what exactly comes of that or what, you know, like it, is it possible that this is kind of the, the story of the day and maybe in a little bit of time it's not quite as white hot of an issue perhaps. I gotta say, I don't think this one is going away, but it was really interesting to go there and see how much of these like young activist Donald Trump based types were just not having it. That I thought was very interesting.
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Robbie Bernstein
You know, sometimes live events are very interesting analytic because they're not a poll and you are kind of just going off your personal gauge. Yes, we all remember when Donald Trump showed up to UFC or when entire stadiums were booing Joe Biden and they had the let's go Brandon Chance. And I've personally, personally had jokes that work really well and then suddenly they're not working well. And that's because the attitude of the country has kind of changed. The joke that you were telling has become obvious or now it's just kind of gone more sad. Like even, like so it's interesting. You can, there is a gauge there of an attitude of a live audience and particularly if you're in front of what feels to be the conservative base and they're all on board with one particular topic that the administration does not want to address. It's a pretty firm analytic of, hey, I don't think you're going to be able to just brush this under the rug.
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Dave Smith
Yeah, it's, I will tell you, not just being there. And you're right. Yeah, of course, it's a very good point. I mean, it's not, it's not a scientific poll or anything like that, but it is, it's also not, I'm not claiming that it's a sign. I'm not claiming this is a random sample. The whole point is that this is very much not a random sample, that this is a, a particular group. And if you're even losing them, the implications are something more broad. Now look, you could make the argument too that like the activist class is more immersed in this stuff and to the average voter, the price of eggs and gas is still more relevant than this. But I just don't. Look, again, you're talking about in a similar way with the around thing, but you're talking about these people. Like you had Megan Kelly up there straight up saying that he was Mossad. Megyn Kelly is a huge right wing, you know, media figure. Tucker Carlson is the biggest right wing media figure. And again then from, as somebody who's not as big as those guys, then me stepping in there and making the arguments that I'm making. And it was, it was an interesting event. I'll get to my thoughts on the debate more specifically. But it was, you know, I don't know that I've ever, I don't think I've ever done a debate in an environment quite like that. You know, I've done debates in front of live audiences, but they've been much more academic where this is like a rah rah crowd. And you know, there's some issues with that. It, you know, it's, it, it changes the, the nature of a debate. When, when you have that, maybe I'll get into that in a little bit. But, but it was like, I'll be honest, like there was, it was a split. It wasn't like the entire crowd was there for me. There were Zionists in the crowd and there were certainly people who like, didn't like that I was criticizing Donald Trump so harshly in the crowd. But like, if you were there, it was the clear majority were with me. Like the clear, like the, the applause that I got were twice as big as the applause that Josh got. That's not saying an indication of who's right or who's wrong. I'm just saying it's, it's interesting right away, just that like that is the makeup of a Charlie Kirk event at Turning Point usa. And I do think that, you know, I'm not ascribing any like, dishonest intentions to Charlie Clark. I take him like he's been nothing but cool to me and I think he's that, you know, I have nothing but good things to say about him. It personally, that is. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but it did feel like, oh, part of the reason why I'm even there to begin with is almost like it's just, you can't deny this. Like when, when twice as many people here feel this way than that when you kind of have to give your audience, you have to at least let them have their, someone who represents their feelings or something close to it. 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And even there it was just obvious that the majority was, you know, like listening to what I had to say, agreeing with what I have to say. Now, it doesn't mean they're not supporting Donald Trump and not saying like, oh, they'd pick me over Trump or something sill like that. But it says something about like it was just already impressive to me how open they were to hearing this argument and even agreeing with it. So that was, that was very interesting. And I wasn't, you know, I really wasn't sure what to expect. And I thought that quite possibly I was going to be debating in like a really hostile environment with the crowd against me. And I was kind of like, I was kind of looking forward to the challenge of that. But then what happened was when we were in Denver and me and you did talk about this, Rob, although we haven't really talked since the, the debate itself, but when I saw Tucker Carlson up there and the applause he was getting, and like you, I saw that video where there were like, there were some students who were walking out when he was talking or whatever. But then you hear the applause and it's like thunderous and you're like, oh, wait, I don't know how this is going to be like a, A, a partial hostile audience with a much larger sympathetic audience or an audience in agreement there. So anyway, it was just that in itself was an interesting, you know, yeah.
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Robbie Bernstein
You had a favorable audience. You just had to debate the whatever hammer guy and a host. That's it. So it was just a two on one. But at least the audience mainly had your side.
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Dave Smith
You know what I will say I didn't, I thought Charlie was, was a fair moderator. And you know, I did see a lot of people were kind of making that point on Twitter. I think, you know, I think what happened, honestly Was. I think Charlie really wanted to keep it like a good faith conversation and a good faith debate. And that was kind of over after Josh's first opening statement. And then it was almost like he was trying to referee me into keeping it a good faith debate. But it's like, well, no, dude, it doesn't, like, it doesn't work that way. Look, I don't, I don't hold anything against Charlie. I think he was trying his best to, to make it a good exchange of ideas. I. I will say, I mean, look, with. I'll give you guys just like a little bit about.
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Robbie Bernstein
With that said, I did. I thought the framing on the questions were slightly biased, but I did like the way that he asked sharp, clarifying questions that gave people an opportunity to either make their argument or showcase the fact that they didn't actually have an argument to make.
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Dave Smith
Yes, well, speaking of showcasing the fact that they didn't have an argument to make, Josh was. Look, man, I don't know what to say. He was just ridiculous at the whole. Like, he, you know, I think he thought because he, he took a bad loss in the first debate that he had to, like, be more aggressive or something like that. Let me just give you a little bit of background info, okay? Because this is like, to me was like, kind of fascinating. Um, so literally the only thing, again, very similar to the Douglas Murray thing. And they always trap me into this because I really am just like a naive romantic in my heart of hearts, which is ridiculous. Like, I gotta grow out of that at some point. But I just, like, anytime anyone before the debate is like, hey, we just really want to make sure this is like a good faith exchange and doesn't devolve into like, name calling. And you guys, you know, I want, I want to have a very respectful good faith debate. And as soon as anyone ever says that to me, I'm like, neato, awesome. You know, Like, I'm just like, oh, okay, sure. Like, let's have a good faith, respectful exchange and we could actually talk about the issues because this is what matters. You know, all the other stuff is just a distraction. So this is what Charlie says. It puts the three of us in a text message. Josh writes back, like, emphatically agreeing, yes, absolutely. Let's keep it good faith and respectful. I chime in. I go, of course. That's great. The 100. That's what it'll be, Charlie. We get there, all three of us are in the green room together. We sit down, we have a nice conversation, Charlie reasserts that he wants this to be a good faith, respectful debate. I go, absolutely. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go out there. Josh's opening statement to the debate ends with him saying, I'm disgusted that Dave is on this stage with me right now. And I just. I don't know. There is something just, like, as a man, that shit fucking baffles me when I see it. Like, it just baffles me. I'm like, dude, you don't just like. I'm not even saying you can't do that, but I could never do that while having previously just been such a phony. Like, doesn't your skin just want to crawl off your body? Like, I don't know. That's just nuts to me is the exact same thing as Douglas Murray. They both, like, initially go out of their way. It's almost like that's their attempt to, like, default fang me is to go like, hey, don't come in here being personal. But anyway, so look, I just. I thought that was nuts, but anyway, and I did. I did think Charlie was surprised that he. He ended up doing that. But so I would just. I mean, my thoughts overall on the debate are like, I think what I was saying before, you know, when you having a debate in front, you know, like, I've done live debates in front of a live audience at, like, the SoHo forum, and I did one at Princeton University. I don't know. I'm trying to think if I did any others in front of a live audience. I don't know. I definitely. Two at SoHo form and one at Princeton University. I might be 101.
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Robbie Bernstein
That. That was.
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Dave Smith
Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. That was a live audience, too. But almost always. I mean, I guess the Cuomo one, the audience was a little bit more riled up. But typically speaking, like, in the soho Forum ones, at the one in Princeton University, it's just. It's a much more academic setting. So you're just kind of like, you're sitting here and you're discussing your. Your ideas. You're. You're, you know, giving your. You're presenting your arguments when. When it's like a rah, rah, rah crowd, people. And I'm. I did this during the debate as well. It's just. It's natural. It's like you just. You start playing to, like, applause lines. And so now everybody does this a little bit in those events, but you still want to be making arguments. Josh's opening was just like, I'M strictly just doing that. I'm strictly just playing this social psychology game of this guy doesn't like Trump, and this guy said all types of things about Donald Trump. Now, one of the things I, I got to say and to take away now, again, the debate went very good for me. The response has been excellent. Charlie Kirk put out a poll and I was dominating in the poll. Last I saw, it was like 60, 40 without. I didn't, I didn't post it or nothing. I just figured, leave it there. And this amongst his base, again, like it. Which is a very interesting dynamic to me. But one of the things that I think is a big part of the reason why these debates go well for me is every one of them right. Like you, you know, you know my, my spiel, you know, my take on this and my arguments. And so I. Now obviously, we could, I could, we could talk for three hours about the argument if we wanted to get into detail. So you have to be condensed in these environments. But it's very, you know, I go through it as, as I always do in these debates. I start telling the story and I'm like, okay, here's what happened. The neoconservatives hijacked our foreign policy after the neoconservatives were joined at the hip with the LUD Party and Benjamin Netanyahu. This is not a secret. This is open. You can read it in their own writings. This is who they were. This is what they wanted to do. They had this clean break strategy. Go read the memo yourself. It was written to Benjamin Netanyahu by Dick Cheney's men. Like, this is. Okay, this is what, here's another. Go read Coping with Crumbling States. It elaborates further on this plan. The Project for a New American Century elaborates further. This is what General Wesley Clark was talking about when he said he went into the Pentagon. When the neocons had control of the government and saw they had a plan to overthrow seven countries, they wanted to overthrow seven governments. This was the clean break strategy. This was their plan for Israel to overthrow the governments in the region. And whatever. There's. We get into a lot more of the details about it, but this is the argument that I'm, that I'm presenting. There's. This is all on record. This is what happened. Iran was the last country on the list. That's why they want to go after Iran. And just like in Iraq, when they wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein for completely different reasons, and then they wanted to get the Americans on board, they lied about a nuclear threat. And they're doing the same thing here in Iran. And this is what's going on and blah, blah, blah, blah. So I lay out my argument and as is the case, every single time. And then I, you know, my big closing argument or what I brought into the middle was the, the libertarian economic stuff that I was like, look, we've spent $20 trillion on Empire and war since the collapse of the Soviet Union. And there's no way you can tax people enough to, to afford that. And we can't even borrow enough. Even though we're $37 trillion in debt, we still can't borrow enough to pay for it. So what do we do? We print the money. And this is destroying the currency. And this is why you young people here can't afford anything and are just totally like, your generation is just totally screwed out of like the. Really. I know it's like corny when people use the word, but like, you're screwed out of the American dream. It's such a profound thing to screw your entire generation with that none of you guys can afford to be owners in the society. You're gonna be renters forever. And you're lucky if you'll be able to afford just to rent a good life. You're gonna rent with roommates or live back in with your mom or hope one of you has a parent with some money that they can leave you. Like, this is what it's done. So this, this is my argument. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show. Love these guys. Been a long time since we've had them on zipix. Zipix are incredible. 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I'm giving you a very condensed version here. I can defend this for hours and hours and hours. I just know this stuff. There is no response. Nobody ever responds to the clean break memo or responds to General Wesley Clark or responds to the idea that they. They lied about the nuclear threat in Iraq and they're doing the same thing here. Like, there is no response to any of these points. It's all just like, either. Either debunked, like bullshit, but again, the. The money being inflated because we can't afford this empire. There's just no. There's no response to it. No, it's. And so instead. So I lay out like a bunch of this stuff in my opening statement. And then Josh's opening statement is like, to pull out. He had a prepared thing to pull out a list of my tweets. Every last one I'll stand by and defend where I'm criticizing Donald Trump. And then to go after saying it was going to be a respectful, good faith debate, end by saying I'm disgusted to be on stage with this guy. Like, there's just something interesting to me, Rob, about the fact that it's like we live in the upside down world. Everything's so goofy and cartoonish. Like, here I am, I'm the shit talking comedian. There sits Josh, the senior editor at Newsweek, and yet I'm the one making arguments, laying out a narrative, like, building a case. And he is like, again, like, all of them. Like, he. He debates like a mean girl. Like, it's just. It's so weird to be in this situation. Like, dude, I'm supposed to be. And. And then there are, like, you're the suit and tie guy. You're the guy with a real job as a journalist and a writer and an. And yet you're the one who, like, it's the lowest debate tactic to bring out tweets from completely other issues than what we're debating. Just to say this guy don't like Trump and we're on Team Trump and we. And by the way, much like with Ben Shapiro, I didn't know this till after the debate, because who the hell cares about Josh Hammer? But much like with Ben Shapiro, he was a DeSantis supporter, he's not now. He comes and plays this. I'm loyal to Donald Trump. And you're not. You were trying to support anybody else except him. So anyway, I just, like, I. I don't know. I think, look, dude, I'll. I'll give you the secret because all of them are grappling with how the. To deal with me so much. It's just like, this isn't going to work. You gotta. If you're gonna send whoever the next guy you're gonna send has to take on that argument, and if it's wrong, then demonstrate where it's wrong. But I don't think they can, because I think it's right. And, you know, then, anyway, I guess just the other thought that I wanted, that I thought was interesting, right? Because so when you're doing this, you know, you're playing, like, a social psychology game. And social psychology is always a part of anything where there's groups of people, you know, and particularly in politics. And it's true in. In debates, and particularly in live debates, and we all kind of do that. You present things in a way that you think will, you know, allow the audience to be moved by it. And so that's. That's the game Josh is playing there. And then it was just like, really interesting moment in the debate was right. My. My initial response to his opening, where he goes through this whole thing because, you know, you got now as he's reading off all of the tweets, and he's reading off my tweets from over the years, where I'm like, donald Trump should be in prison for the rest of his life. This guy's a war criminal. This guy's like, you know, really going harsh at him. And you could see it's getting up there's. It's drawn booze. Like, I'm getting booed as he's reading my tweets in the audience, right? But then it goes back to me and I go, so what's your. That's your opening statement that I've been critical of a guy who just covered up a giant child rapist ring? Yeah, I think we should criticize that. And that got way more applause in the room than the tweets got booze. And it was just an interesting read of the room, of the dynamic, like, in a way, with the social psychology of it. This Epstein thing, like, allowed me. It's so unpopular, what Trump's doing with it right now, that it gave me cover in a way that, like, would he. He should have, if he was being smart, not included the one about the Epstein thing and just read my tweets about the wars. Because I do think that that, like, the social psychology of that wouldn't have worked as well for me, even though I still think I'm right, you know, but it was just so interesting to me that that's like, yeah, that's how much of a up this Epstein cover up is. Is that you? I could come to Turning Points USA and call Trump a war criminal who should be locked in jail for the rest of his life. And even all I got to do is throw that Epstein thing at them and they're like, yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, that is, you really ought to use harsh language about something that awful. And so anyway, I just, I guess those are really my, my takeaways from it. But it was, yeah, it was just, it was an interesting experience and, you know, I was quite happy with, with how it went. Oh, you know the other thing people said to me because I made that, that crack up top about going on no sleep, which I really was going on.
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Robbie Bernstein
I happen to know it. People don't quite know what the comedy travel looks like and how much you give of yourself when you're performing to packed houses of your audience. And, you know, waking up at 4 in the morning after doing a club weekend of shows, I mean, I text you that day. I couldn't believe I was sitting on my couch dead exhausted. I was doing 20 minutes. You were doing a full hour. I think you did more podcasting on those days. So I, I, I could not believe that after that weekend you had another work day and that it came with a 4am workout. Work. Wake up.
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Dave Smith
Yeah, well, that's, you know. Yeah, I, I didn't take, I slept for like an hour and a half in the hotel room. Then I slept a little bit on the flight. But you know that sleep is never good sleep. But, but you know, people were saying like, oh, how do you do this? But the truth is, Rob, and I think you'll kind of know this too, it's fine. It doesn't really affect the debate. Once the debate starts and you're in the middle of a live show and everything's there, you, you, you get into the moment. It's fine. It's just the whole rest of the day that really sucks. So, like, it still sucks today. I'm like, still not caught up yet. But. So it's not like doing the debate itself is fine. It's just the getting there and all that is a pain in the ass. So, like, that wasn't like a whole big thing or anything, but Any thoughts you have on any of this?
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Robbie Bernstein
Yeah, first it was. It was a fun watch, and I thought it was another. Well, it's not another head for the mantle because you had already defeated him. But I thought one of the prime weasel tricks that he was pulling was when you brought up a specific criticism of what he was laying out, he would go, well, I don't know about that example, which was even like the recent. The shooting of people at Palestinian food sites just going, well, I can't speak about that example. And, well, that example just. I mean, it debunks everything that you're saying.
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Dave Smith
Pretty big one.
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Robbie Bernstein
Yeah. If you guys want to say that it's only an issue when they're human shields. How do you explain this one? And then there's other examples you didn't mention. But what about when Israel says that here's a safe corridor and then it bombs it? Or what about the stories of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians to Palestinian kids on to get rid of booby traps or whatever? I mean, that. That one, I don't know that.
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Dave Smith
That, you know, but, but, you know. No, you're absolutely right. You know, I was harping on that one. Maybe because it's just recent and it's in the news, but also because the Israeli government admitted it. They had, you know, because there's so many of them, they deny it. But this one, they admitted that it was Israel. But you're absolutely right. I just think the human shields argument is like so far past being even kind of believable.
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Robbie Bernstein
Well, the other way, if you want to go destroyed, if you want to say in situations, a human shield. So does that mean when it's not a human shield, it is a problem? You admit that it's a problem. And then in that case, I mean. All right, of the. I don't know, how many civilians do you think were killed in Gaza? Let's say we go with half the estimate. So it's 25,000 people. How many of those 25,000 do you think were in a situation where they're human shields? Or are you saying that the other 12,000 civilians shouldn't have been killed? There's no way to get around it between the AI software that's killing people and I mean, just go with the example of being told, hey, here's a safe passageway and being bombed.
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Dave Smith
There's no human shields there, dude, go to antiwar.com and just scroll back over the past two years. It's just nothing. But every single day, every single day, dude, there's no I mean, literally, like right now. Hold on. Anti warm. Why is it not pre filling when I go here every day? Hold on one second. Sorry. Is there a. What's going on? What is anti war.com not coming up? Is the site down?
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Robbie Bernstein
Natalie's got it. Look at the screen.
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Dave Smith
Oh, do you. Oh, sorry. See, I have to look at my other screen. Sorry. There you go. I don't know. My Internet must be working. Match. Yeah, yeah, just. Okay, here's the, the top stories right here. Israel kills 88 Palestinians in Gaza over 24 hours. Another Gaza freedom sets sail to defy Israel's blockade. Okay, 89 killed in. Oh, sorry, that's in Syria. Oh, that's what's going on in the. The Al Qaeda run Syria. But this. And if you just go back, like, if you just go through the last few years, it's just constantly story after story after story of civilians being killed by the IDF and not in a thing of like, oh my God, this crazy example where like there's a command center underneath a school or something like that. There may have been a few instances where they have some evidence that there was some of that. But 80% of the houses in Gaza have been destroyed. Like, what's the claim? Here is your claim that all of Gaza is Hamas. Every single family in Gaza is a Hamas, because that's the only way this would even be plausible. So anyway, I'm sorry, Rob. So continue with that.
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Robbie Bernstein
Well, I just thought that there were. That example stands out. But I just thought that there were a bunch of arguments that you had made that he didn't want to contend with. Obviously, at the top of it, the overarching theme of we're spending money for no results and getting people killed. He didn't touch that at any point in time. He didn't want to touch the fact that, you know, innocent civilians are being killed in Gaza. Just didn't want to touch it. Didn't want to touch, really, Netanyahu's strategy of empowering Hamas. I, you know, I should have re. Watched it because I watched it while I was traveling, but it seemed like there were more than one times where he just said, I can't speak to that specific example or just didn't want to take on your argument at all.
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Dave Smith
Well, it was, yeah, there were things, I mean, there was the one since again, because we debated before. So last time we debated, he goes, this, you know, this again, it's just like these people, half of me, they don't know what the they're talking about or they're just lying or whatever. But he goes, like last time we debated, he goes, shrone, you know, he goes, well, Dave says Netanyahu advocated for the war, but Netanyahu wasn't even in power in 2002. And it's like, yeah, but that's completely irrelevant anyway because he's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history and he's come back into power several times since then. And so they're saying he's one of the guys who was advocating for this and he testified as a regional expert before Congress, lobbying us to get into this and two other wars. And. But he goes, and Sharon was in power and he opposed the war in Iraq. And I go, no, that's not true. What happened is Sharon's envoy who, when he first found out that George W. Bush wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein, he said, no, you got to overthrow the Iranian government first and then we'll overthrow Saddam Hussein. Because if you overthrow Saddam Hussein first, Iran is going to have more control of the, of the region, which, you know, is what ended up happening. But then they convinced them that, no, we're going to overthrow Iran next. So don't you worry about that. You got no problem with Iran having control in the region because we're going to overthrow them next. Now there is whatever in this whole area. It's, you know, Scott Horton breaks down masterfully. It's, it's a, there's a lot to it. But essentially the neocons and the Lakudnex, Sharon was in the Likud party and then left at one point. But they, they had a split between Sharon and Netanyahu. But the Netanyahu guys and the neocons, they had the seven countries in five years strategy and they did, I think at the time believe they were going to be able to do it. There's tremendous hubris amongst the neoconservatives. If you go back and really read their stuff the way I have, that's one of the things that really shines through. The group was called Project for the New American Century. That was their plan. This is, we are laying out a plan to dominate the next century. There's just tremendous hubris. And at the time they thought we were going to be able to do this, they thought, they didn't think. They weren't banking on Iraq and Afghanistan both turning into nightmares that would turn the American people off from war. They were still like 9, 11 wind at our back. We're the big bad USA. There is no Soviet Union. We can do all this so they essentially, the Sharon people had the right instinct that his envoy had the right instinct to go, oh, this will give power over to Iran, still had the same plan that we should overthrow both of the governments. And then they were convinced by the dummies who thought it would all work out better if we did Iraq first and then around. But then they got on board and then they started. Anyway, so last time he brings this up in the debate and then I give that response, he has nothing to say back to it. There was no response because I'm right and I know this and he either knows I'm right or he doesn't know what the he's talking about. And so he didn't, he doesn't have anything to say back to it. So, like, he makes the point. I go, nope, you got that all wrong. Here's how it really went down. He has no response again in this debate. He brings it up and I go, as I already told you, that's not right. Here's the real story. Again, no response. Like, he doesn't even have a thing to say back as to why I'm wrong. Like, and he just, I mean, he did it over and over. He was the, the first time we debated, he just got, he just got wrecked. This time he was just much more bad faith and, and, you know, aggressive and still just had nothing. There is, he does not have a counter to that point. And so, because it's just a joke, it's a joke to say Israel opposed the war in Iraq. Like, everybody knows this is so ridiculous. But again, it's just kind of desperate.
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Robbie Bernstein
I also thought there were some real holes in the Iran story that they're trying to showcase. So that was one of the moments, is basically him going, hey, this was the greatest achievement of the President ever. Fourteen days, you thought it was going to be a disaster. And he got it done in 14 days. And one of his pitches, which he really, I felt misrepresented where he goes, you know, they were enriching the uranium, but not to weapons grade. They seem to have stopped at 60%. And they weren't doing it when they were in the IA deal. So they like to present it that they went up to 60% and there's no other reason other than achieving weapons. And what they like to overlook is that perhaps it was a negotiation tactic to then go back down and get back into a, back into a nuclear enrichment deal. And they also seem to overlook their desire to have a civilian nuclear program or just to have their own.
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Dave Smith
I should have hit him on that. I think I did let that point go, but again, it's just, you know, it's amazing.
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Robbie Bernstein
You can't possibly catch everything when you're there. But just to speak to. They're so convinced that this storyline is just over. And it might be. It might be over. But essentially, at the moment, Iran seems to still have its enriched uranium. They seem to have more incentive now than ever. So Donald Trump has declared that it's over, which might be because he's working off bad intelligence and someone told them that they don't have the enriched uranium. It might be that he's calling Israel's bluff and he wants to take this off the table so that he doesn't have to hear about it anymore. But, I mean, what do you guys think are the odds right now on the betting markets that within a year or two years or three years, we're not going to hear about Iran and their nuclear bomb again? Who thinks that this was actually a permanent solution, that we'll never hear about it again?
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Dave Smith
Or who thinks Israel won't be bombing them more? You know, who thinks that? Who thinks there won't be some reason why there's more conflict? Look, again, who knows, like you said, maybe this is the end of it. But at the same time, we all kind of, or at least people my age kind of remember a Mission Accomplished banner being hoisted up. You know, it's real easy to celebrate these things when you're in the middle of it and just go, yes, complete domination, total success. And you, by the way, you know, because I am old enough to remember this stuff. When you, when George W. Bush was, was hoisting that Mission Accomplished banner and he landed the, the fighter plane and did that whole thing. Every, every George W. Bush supporter who, at the time, he was very popular, every George W. Bush supporter was shoving it in the faces of the people who opposed the war. Look at this. Look how easy it was. Look how great this is. Oh, and you were against this. The world is a safer place, Saddam Hussein is out of power, blah, but blah, blah, blah, and it became the biggest catastrophe of the century. So, you know, it's. Anyway, it's just like, yes, it's ridiculous to be celebrating this, but I should have made the point. And I did think, like, in my head, you know, in these things, you always got to pick what things to respond to and what not to. But I did think that, like he said, it's just like, have you never even, like, have you ever read one book on economics? Have you Ever. Like, do you know anything? When you go, it doesn't make sense for them to have a civilian nuclear program because they're an oil rich country. It's like, what? So you think like, there's a fixed amount of energy that then it stops making sense for a country to produce more? Like, do you really need like an Economics 101 lesson for someone to explain to you how it would make sense to export your oil and use your nuclear energy for a domestic program like that? It's just like the more nuclear energy you create, the more oil you can sell on the world market and profit from. And then you sell that oil for money. And with money you can buy other goods and services that you don't produce as much. Like, really, this is a point. It's just, again, it's so bizarre from my perspective because like, the only thing they seem to have to hit me with is like, like, Dave's just a comedian. He's not an expert. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm like, I know. And this is still such basic to that I can dismantle it in five seconds. Did you honestly just stand up in a professional debate and say, why do they need to produce more energy when they already got energy? Like, it's just so nuts. Like, it really is. Like, man, sometimes these warhawk conservatives, it's like they've never read like one Thomas soul book or something like that and ever like thought about what, what does economics even mean? Like, what are, what are? Anyway, it's really kind of wild. It's just there's so much other wild going on that that was least of like the wild claims. So it just, that one got lost. But yeah, I couldn't even believe he said that. And then of course, you know, he had this just total. Again, I do like, you know, look, winning over the crowd obviously doesn't prove that you're right. And so I'm not, I'm not saying that it does, but I am making the claim that I think these arguments are so laughably weak that that is why the crowd just sees through it. I do think that's the reason why the crowd is won over. And you know, I mean, I've, I have some, like, from being a comedian, I have some chops and like how to, you know, speak publicly and stuff like that. But it's not like I'm the smartest guy in the world or the most eloquent guy in the world or anything like that. It's just like, yo, that is just not an argument, man. And then. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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Robbie Bernstein
Two other things that stood out is one never explains why Israel is such an important ally. It's just inserted which I, I think the, I think just the audience kind of. That's some of the. It's just like, can you explain to me why if it's so obvious and so important, can you just give me a common sense reason why this is worth the cost?
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Dave Smith
Well then, Right, like why can't you just. Then why, why is it you should just. If it's so common sense and so obvious, then you should just be able to dominate making this case and I'll have nothing to be able to respond to it. That's compelling. Yeah, absolutely.
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Robbie Bernstein
And then also just the fact that he just folded on the Israel lobby completely.
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Dave Smith
Oh, that was the one I was gonna. That was the one I was about to say. Yeah, so his, this was the, and this is what I was, I was leading toward this when I was saying that people just see through this stuff. But so his argument was like he does this thing where he starts with a straw man and then, you know, knocks down his straw man. I guess he goes, well, if the Israel lobby is all powerful and all controlling, controls everything our government did, then how come Obama got the JCPOA through when they were against it? And it's like, well, first of all, I never said they were all controlling around the entire government. I'm saying they have a lot of influence. And you pointing to one loss that they took, it's like, yeah, you're right, they didn't get that. They only got the war in Iraq and Libya and Syria and the striking of Iran. And they've only got the unconditional support of every single US president over the last 60 years. Like what, dude? Every, every president, with the exception of Donald Trump, every president of my lifetime has wanted a two state solution. None of them have been able to get it and all of them have continued funding that not happening. So like, yeah, like APAC does have a little bit of influence and people should read John Mearsheimer's book about that. It's phenomenal. Just a devastating case. But anyway, so that was totally ridiculous. And then again, I made my point about them donating to woke Democrats. How the hell can any of you support them?
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Robbie Bernstein
That was great.
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Dave Smith
No response, no response from them. Just no one's got an answer to this stuff. And people see that, you know, people see that I'm presenting these arguments that you can't. No one's got an answer to it. That's like, it's just you, you kind of can't, I don't know, you can't fool them with that. And then of course, in probably what was his lowest moment of the debate, Josh did the Ted Cruz thing and resorts which is like, which I will say is, look, I guess it is, you know, it's an advantage in a sense. It certainly changes the dynamic being like a Jewish guy who's criticizing this whole thing. Kind of like being a black conservative or something like that, that. But it is just, it's just, it's not, it's not to say that you can't be a self hating Jew as they claim, or you couldn't be an anti black racist black person. But the, when you're not being that at all. You know what I'm saying? When it's like, there's nothing I'm saying here is bigoted. It's just not like I, there's, I never once I'm saying anything about the Jews. I'm talking about people with power and what they did and how this whole system works. And when, and then you just turn around, you go, oh, so you're saying like for one Jewish guy to look at another Jewish guy and go, so you're saying the Jews control everything when that's just so obviously not what they're saying is just so pathetic. And I probably, you know, I called him out for it, but I probably could have gone harder at him. I really should have hit him for being a woke leftist at that point. But like, it really is insane that, I mean, that was really the moment. And there is something, I don't know, there's just, there's, there's this moment that's like, it's revealing it to someone's like true kind of character where you, it's like when something's not going good for you and you're getting pressed and then it's like, oh, that's what you got. You just pull out an accusation. Racist. Like, I don't know, dude, it's just, just totally. But I don't know. Look, I'll just say, honestly, I just thought Josh was totally, just all of it. It was totally like dishonorable. Just the way he did that. Just like zero integrity. It's like, that's it. After all this agreeing to, we're gonna have a respectful good faith conversation. You're just gonna resort to, I'm disgusted that he's even here, he's racist. As you're getting your ass kicked. On the issues, like, I don't know, dude. Pretty lame. But anyway, I didn't. You know, the truth is, I initially said no to the debate when Charlie Kirk asked. Well, he asked me at first. He asked me to debate Tim Kennedy, and I was like, sure, let's do that. You know, like, I don't know. That seems someone I haven't debated before seems like an interesting one. And he'd have an interesting perspective as a guy who served. It'd be interesting. And, you know, in the. In the. I forget Iraq or Afghanistan, but. So it'd be an interesting thing to kind of like, you know, a different. A kind of different debate than I've done before. And then he was like, like, Tim can't do it for his, like, scheduling issues or something. And then he was like, well, how about Josh Hammer? And I went, well, no, that doesn't really make sense because, like, I already debated this guy at Princeton University. I already smoked him. So, like, what's in it for me kind of to just go debate him again, you know? But then Charlie said. He goes, yeah, dude, but this time it's going to be at Turning Point's biggest event of the year. Like, this is going to get much more eyeballs on it and a very specific group. And then when he said that, I was like, yeah, you know what? I really do. Like, that is a really important group to talk to. You know what I mean? To talk to, like, the young, like, Trump supporters and to try to explain them. Like, hey, look, man, like, if you want to do America first, then you gotta do it like this. Like, this is the whole game. And so anyway, that's why I went to do it. It really had nothing to do with Josh. It was to go have these moments and let. Let these kids hear this argument, which, you know, some of them are familiar with, but some of them haven't heard it, and some of them haven't heard it in a compelling way when it's standing up to pushback and. And not really receiving anything too good. So that was kind of the goal of doing the whole thing. And I. I was quite happy with. With how it went. And it was just a very cool. You know, I met a bunch of people who were there. Like, I kind of after the. I went back to the hotel, but I was staying at the hotel that was like, like next door to the event. So I just, like, ran into a bunch of people at the hotel, had a bunch of great conversations with, with, you know, like, smart, interesting people. And I, I was really really just pleased with how, you know, how receptive they were to, to this message. I mean, it's, it really, it just shows you how quickly things are changing in, in a pretty drastic way. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. One of the major themes over the last few years, particularly in America, has been uncertainty and instability. And it always feels like we're one more crisis away from total chaos. That's why I like to protect my family with my Patriot supplies, specifically their three month emergency food kit. The three month kit is their best seller for a reason. They have over 2000 calories a day for three full months with meals that last up to 25 years in storage. Right now, my Patriot Supply is offering an exclusive deal on this kit just for our listeners. But it won't last. So don't wait until the next crisis hits and the shelves are bare. Shop@mypatriotsupply.com problem. 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Robbie Bernstein
So I gotta ask backstage, you run into any of the other big wigs? Was Steve Bannon still around? Was Tucker still around?
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Dave Smith
I saw Rob Schneider and we hung out a bunch. Great guy. Could not have been a cooler, cooler guy. Really enjoyed me and him. Hung out and talked for a little while. I briefly saw Roger Stone at the hotel and, and we talked for a little bit and years ago, I remember that, yeah, yeah, I had him one, maybe even twice, I think. But we had him on back when he was, you know, when he was looking like he was going to be in a lot of trouble. But so I, I did tell him that I was very happy that he was a freer man since last I spoke to him and he seemed to appreciate that. But yes, I talked to him briefly and then.
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Robbie Bernstein
Meet anybody. I got a nerdy question for you. While you're racking your brain about who else you ran into.
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Dave Smith
I don't think, I don't think I ran into anyone else. I think everybody else, it was like it was the last event and the whole thing and, you know, we were out doing shows in Denver so I couldn't do it on the Friday or Saturday night, so I had to come in for the Sunday. So I think most Everybody, you know, I texted Tucker, like, I was like, oh, dude, are you gonna stick around and be in town on Sunday? And he's like, I will be on a plane 30 minutes after I'm done with this event.
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Robbie Bernstein
I was like, all right, Yeah, I wish I could live that life. Just because flying home at night while you're still hammered is so much easier than waking up when you're hungover.
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Dave Smith
So at least that is true.
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Robbie Bernstein
I would take flying home at night every time if I could. I don't know if you got into this with Schneider, but, you know, I've done a fair amount of reading, and I find Mises not to be the easiest of reads or to be the first person that you would even find. I'm curious how Mr. Schneider even found Mises and how he got through it. I don't know if he got inside.
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Dave Smith
Yeah, I did not. I, you know, I. We. We talked a little bit about him. You know, he said his, like, the. The crazy gender ideology stuff being pushed on kids and them labeling the parents as domestic terrorists had a huge role in, like, waking him up in the COVID stuff. Had a huge role, but I didn't really get into the Misa stuff, but I did. We had a whole conversation about how, like, the connection between the economics and the foreign policy and how that's what it all comes down to, right? Is that, like, you have to. You have to destroy your own currency in order to maintain this world empire. And then these are all the problems that come with that. And so. And, you know, like, he's. I don't know. I mean, I think he was. He's been, I think, very open minded about it. You know, I think he's a. He's Jewish and pro Israel, but he's been very open minded to be like, yeah, okay, there is a real argument over here to what these guys are saying. Anyway, so there. There was. Yeah. Was there anyone else? No, but I just. I then just met a lot of the. The people who work there, like, a lot of the staffers and then just a lot of the. The activists and stuff like that, and some really interesting, really people. And there were several people I. I met. Again, this is, as you said before, this is. What would we call it? Anecdotal information. But there were several people I met who were like, yo. Like, I real. Either either I came in today not agreeing with you, or I came in this year not agreeing with you. And after seeing just like, so much your stuff, like, yeah, I gotta say, you're right. About this, you know, and so, like, there is, there's just no question that like, people particularly, and all the polling backs this up, but particularly the young, the young people in America are just totally being moved in this direction. Being against these wars, being against the support of Israel, being against what Israel's doing to Gaza and really against us funding it. And, and we just, we kind of. Our side, you know, we always lose the power struggle. You know, like, we always, that's, that's never changed. Like, the, the machinery of government keeps moving and all of the people who get into government keep being corrupted or they were corrupt the whole time or whatever. But in terms of like the argument with the people, it's just the cat's out of the bag and we're winning and not even little by little, but it's always just going in our direction. It's always more people coming over here. You're not hearing about people who are like, I was a hardcore anti war guy and then I just realized that actually I saw a debate and I realized it's great what Israel's doing in Gaza. That's just not happening. And the, but tons of people are coming the other direction. And it's. I really do just think it's just the, the lack of control on the media environment. You know, the lack of control. It's like you got got, you got all these guys, you know, you got whoever, you know, just think from the weekend there, you got like Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and me and some other people who are making this argument. And then you got the guys on the other side of it and they're just getting their ass kicked, man, because their argument's just terrible. It's like, what can they even do? Like, they just can't even pretend anymore. It reminds me of that, this, that story in the Soviet Union of the Pope visitor and, and people do really credit that as being one of the factors that, that helped bring down the Soviet Union started really sowing, like a lack of trust. And it's just that they finally, the Pope came and, you know, the communists are all like, we've conquered religion. And basically we are the religion now. And we're, you know, they're like against Christianity. And then the Pope comes and there's hundreds of thousands of people in the streets. There might have been millions. It was like insane how many people were out. And then you just start looking around, you're like, oh, there's not a consensus that you were saying there is. Like, you're lying. That's. And it's like their thing relies on lying and just pretending. That's the consensus is this lie. But now you just can't pretend that anymore. It's just.
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Robbie Bernstein
And everyone's vaccinated except for the crazy kooks living in their basement that don't care about grandma.
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Dave Smith
Right, right. Until you see that. But it's like, no, I'm sorry, that's not true. Like, and in our, in our day and age, you don't, you don't even have to see it on the street, you know, you see a twee with 200,000 likes next to it, you know, and you're like, yo, wow, there's a.
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Robbie Bernstein
Lot of people video of a dead kid.
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Dave Smith
Yeah, well, that's right too. And then you just, you see these type of debates, you see the, you know, these moments where like, when the ideas clash, like one side just can't really keep up. And, you know, again, it's like, you know, I get. So someone said, one of these guys, of course, always someone with like a, you know, with like a Israeli flag in their profile picture or whatever. Then they said on, on Twitter, they go, they go, they go, I just want to see one of these debates where Dave doesn't bring all up the same old tired line of four star general Wesley Clark said this. And then I didn't even have to respond to it because all of my fans online, they're all just like, hey, name a time someone's responded to it. Name a time someone's refuted this. Like, that's right. I bring it up every single time, every single time we talk about this, I bring up the fact that a four star general told us he had seen the plans to overthrow seven governments in five years. Seems like a pretty relevant detail. Which, by the way, totally is in line with the Clean Break strategy. It's like. And then we went and did it like. So, yeah, I think that's a very relevant detail. And with all of the debates that I've done, every time I've brought it up, name the time anyone even had a response. Like, Douglas Murray said something about Wolfowitz, starts with a animal and ends Jewish. That was his response. What was, what was Josh Hammer's response? Go back through the tape, see if you can find it. Just didn't address it, just moved on. And it's, you know, I, I do just think there's almost like the. Look, if you want to say that there's something wrong with my meta narrative here, you know, if you want to say there's A flaw in it or you think that's not correct. Like, okay, but when I have a narrative here, which is a pretty powerful one, and you know, like this is the way even the professional, this is how historians work, right? Like, you get, like, you go into the archives, you get firsthand documents, you look over, you know, declassified information, you, there's oral history. You take, you know, you get people's like who were there telling stories or whatever and you look at the facts and then you kind of construct a narrative around it. And I'm saying, like I'm giving you this meta narrative here, which is that these people took control of American foreign policy, which is undeniably true. Like this is just like David Wormser was Dick Cheney's Mideast foreign policy advisor. And they, you know what I'm saying? Like this Richard Pearl was the deputy Defense Secretary. Like all these people went into these positions of power are right. You have Dick Cheney as the Vice President, who's really a very influential vice president. You have whatever Donald Rumsfeld, who's the Defense Secretary, who's this, These guys, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, they were signators of the Project for a New American Century. Like these were the guy the, they laid out what their vision was, then they got into power, then they proceeded to enact this. And in the middle a four star general is telling you he's seen the plans and we're going to go down like, okay, I've got this narrative here, here. It's a really compelling narrative. Even if you don't agree with that, it's a really compelling narrative backed up by a lot of facts. And you kind of can't get away from someone presenting that in the opening of a debate. And then you just turning and talking about other things and like never at any point in time going, here's this whole narrative's wrong. You know, here's what Dave's missing, right? Okay, yes, they wrote this and yes they did this. But then there's this other piece of it. There's this other thing. There's a not even trying, not even making an attempt. Every single one of these debates. By the way, this is how I've won. 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Robbie Bernstein
Beirut bombing or Islam's biggest threat and you say no, it's the spending.
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Dave Smith
Right, right, right. Or he says the Beirut bombing, this and that. And this is why Iran has been at war with America all this time. I go, hey, what was the name of that scandal? Iran Contra. Oh yeah, Ronald Reagan was selling Iran weapons a couple years later. So, so you know what I'm saying, you just, you right away you put a big thing in their narrative. Your narrative doesn't work anymore, dude. We have, if that was a justification for war, then our president selling them weapons a couple years later. Come on. This isn't, just doesn't make any sense. But so what they always do, right, is I go, I have this, this meta narrative that I believe is correct. And, and I mean I really believe is correct. I know a lot about this, this Is like one of my major, you know, issues. And so my major issue, so I have this narrative and then I go in this narrative, right, is that Iran was the, was the crown jewel. This was the seventh country on the list of seven that Douglas, excuse me, that four star General Wesley Clark laid out and then all the neoconservatives admitted in their own writing. And I go, so this is part of this bigger plan to topple all of these governments for Israel. And then you just want to move right to. They're enriching at 60 or something. You're like, yo, but dude, you haven't talked about, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't actually respond to this whole thing. You're just diving into the latest, like, no, this, the war propaganda here is right. And he doesn't even have an argument for that. The other, what was amazing too about, it's like these guys in this old system and I, I suppose there are some people like this in the new system as well, but they just, they don't really seem to be the ones who rise to the top. And you know, it's like there was all these things where like almost so many of the key points that he had, I just had like a devastating counter to. And then that's it. He's got nothing back. Like I said, with the Israel, with the Sharon supporting the war in Iraq. Like, he says the lie, I correct it, I debunk it. And he's got nothing else to say. You know, he said the thing about how all the roadside bombs were made by Iran. And I go, no, they weren't. This has been debunked. They, they found out these were right here in Iraq, made by Shiites in Iraq. And then his response doesn't have a response. He doesn't have a next that, no, that's not true. That, that, that hasn't been debunked or your thing has been debunked. Where. And here's where it was debunked. Here's the journalist who did it. He doesn't have anything like that. It's just, that's it. They got their talking point. Someone, I really do get the impression that someone told him, hey, here's a talking point. Sharon's envoy was against the war in Iraq and that's what he knows about it. Then I, that, that was the impression I got that he just, that's what he knew. And then when I told him back that that was wrong, he was, it was like I was just telling him Something he had never heard before and he just doesn't know. So he didn't have the balls to like, tell me I'm wrong because he doesn't know if I'm right or wrong. And I'm right. It's. I'm right. I've read that he hasn't read and he's unaware of. That's the impression I got. And anyway, the, the, the thing that was, I guess just like really encouraging to me about, about this was as I said at the beginning, to just go in, to be taking, you know, I'm the guy who's calling for Donald Trump to be impeached and removed and even to be prosecuted. And like, you know, and I'm going into Turning Point usa. I'm just, you know, like it's, this isn't a fire, but they should hate my guts. And yet that's not how it's going at all. So anyway, I was really encouraged by that and just really had a great time. And as I said, I am thoroughly exhausted. But we gotta, I got another day before I gotta jump on an airplane, right? Oh my God, I'm looking forward to that.
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Robbie Bernstein
And can I plug some porches?
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Dave Smith
Yeah, yeah, of course, dude, do that.
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Robbie Bernstein
You mind, you mind pulling that up? I just sharing my screen here. But reading off the next few porches and you can go to portstore.com because there's like 30 left to go. I got Doylestown, Penn, Mills, Virginia, sorry, West Virginia, Johnston, Penns, White Bear Lake, Minnesota, Memphis, Tennessee, Bon Aqua, Tennessee, Chattanooga, Tennessee. See Baldwin, Missouri, Peckin, Indiana, outside Cincinnati, Ohio, Wadsworth, Ohio, Philly, Pennsylvania. And then the smoke out bug out in Myersville, Maryland, along with the stand up show and a concert for my friends the Shedcast Boys. So a lot of porching and even more after that. There's a, there's a run in Arizona, there's a run in California. I'm porching all over the place. Go to portstore.com and get your port store tickets.
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Dave Smith
Don't ever say Robbie ain't grinding. That's for sure. Yeah, go check those out, guys. And then of course comicdavesmith.com for all our gigs together. All right, catch you guys next time. Peace.