C (9:25)

I am gonna, I'm gonna guess that foreign policy particularly turns off the youth. And I, I mean, I had a rough run when I got out of college. I came out of college during the great recession in 08. Definitely moved back home for a while, worked every odd job you can imagine. It literally took me 10 full years before I got an office. Like what I would have thought would have been the starter job out of college of like a typical 9 to 5, you know, office job in sales. But I don't know what the climate is now for these kids coming out of school, but I certainly know that they don't like the Israel situation. And I'm going to guess that the job market isn't fantastic right now, and you put those two things together for young kids, and I could understand why they're not. Not too pleased with the current administration.

B (10:13)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this demographic is overwhelmingly considers what Israel's doing to the Palestinians to be a genocide, and they overwhelmingly hate the levels of control that the Israel lobby and the Israel government have over the United States of America. And Donald Trump's out there bragging about being the most pro Israel president ever, and he's been funded in facilitating the genocide the whole time he's been in there. So, yeah, that sure as hell doesn't help with them. And like you said, the economic stuff is, it's, it's all a disaster for, for these kids.

C (10:46)

And even if, like, the wars are not, it just doesn't capture people's interest of you actually being America first. So if you're out there and you want to pretend like you really care about what's going on in this country and you're spending all this money on what people don't like, and that's mostly what they're hearing about in the news, you're going to, you're going to lose your client base.

B (11:05)

Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. And there's, and, and, you know, just in every way, he's just been signaling that he's not with them, not with the cause, that this isn't serious. It's like a fundamentally unserious administration. And I remember, you know, Rob, I. So I, I remember this was, I think, when, when me and you first started podcasting together, or like around that time. So I remember talking about this. First of all, I remember saying, before me and you were podcasting together, I used to always say this back. Like in 2015, 2016, I thought make America Great Again was one of the most brilliant campaign slogans ever. Like, it's just, it's incredible. It's. People really underestimate this type of stuff. And this is the stuff that Donald Trump is really good at. Like, it's really. Only his only true talent ever has been being the best self promoter in the history of the world. And so he's very good at this. But there's something. Look, the Make America Great Again is four words. But it says so much. Like, there's so much information that's loaded into those four, four words. And it's a simple thing that everybody can kind of get on board with, like, there. It's like we were once great. We have fallen off. We want to return to that greatness. Like, there's a lot of information in those four words. A whole worldview is, like, encompassed in that. That there was, you know, like, there was this. We. We were great. That greatness was compromised. It was compromised by people making decisions who had power. That our goal is to return to this greatness. And that is a slogan that appeals to, like, almost, you know, not. Not the entire electorate, but like, a large percentage of people, especially when you're coming off of the eight years that followed that Great Recession that you were just talking about and the phony Obama recovery. This is a huge part of why Donald Trump carried the Rust Belt and carried the purple states and won in 2016. And then I remember talking to you about this in 2019, when Donald Trump's reelection campaign started. And if you remember, Rob, his slogan for the campaign was Keep America Great. And I remember me and you talking about this and saying, this is not a. Like, this is. Does not have the magic of Make America great again. And the major reason why Keep America Great just doesn't really work is because now anyone who doesn't feel great isn't really on board with that. You know, make it great again is vague enough that anyone who doesn't feel great could go, oh, this is going to be great. But Keep America Great is telling people that your current situation is great. Now, if that's not the case, there's a real disconnect there. Oh, you're saying I keep this. I don't get some imagined. Better I get to maintain this. They're just. And then me and you were talking about this. But in 2019, then 2020 hits and it's lockdowns and. And riots and, you know, just. Just chaos and tech censorship, and it's like the worst year in modern American history for most people. I mean, the. The amount of, like, job insecurity and anxiety and isolation and depression and, you know, fear of the germ itself and all of this, just the crazy. And he. And he had that slogan. He was already married to that slogan because they had made it the official slogan of the campaign. And so Donald Trump, imagine Rob is running by the end of 2020, and keep it going. Keep America great. Like, great. What do you. So it was just. It was a disaster. And if, you know, if people want to get tribal and loyal to Donald Trump or something like that, maybe you want to look away from this. But we're going to play some video clips on this show of Donald Trump's interview that he just did with Laura Ingram. And I'm telling you, it's much worse than that. I mean, maybe it's not worse than saying keep America great at the end of 2020, but it's up there. And I'm telling you right now, I just, I'm getting ahead of this thing. This is. If something doesn't change here, the Republicans are going to get stomped in the midterms. And if something doesn't change here, they're very likely going to lose the presidency in 2028. Like, and, and tell me if I'm wrong, Rob. And you. You and an audience member yelling at the screen, or you guys@partoftheproblem.com in the chat, tell me everything I'm wrong. But let's look at some of these clips here, because I don't think you can overstate, like, what a disaster some of them are. Do you want to say anything else before we get into them, Rob, or you wanna.

C (15:55)

No, let's. Let's roll right in.

B (15:56)

Okay. All right, let's jump in. Right, Here we go.

E (16:12)

Somebody are people saying they're anxious about the economy. Why are they saying that?

D (16:16)

I don't know that they are saying. I think polls are fake. We have the greatest economy we've ever had. We have. We will have over $20 trillion come into our economy. And it's largely because of my election, but it's also largely because of tariffs. Even somebody.

E (16:32)

Are people saying they're anxious about this?

B (16:34)

So this is. And there's another clip about the economy that we'll get to in a second that's even worse. But look, this is as we. Rob, we covered this for the entire year of 2024. Me and you, the entire year. This is Joe Biden's economic defense. It is. It is identical. Is the exact same thing. If you remember, this is what they rolled out for the ent year of 2024. This was their economic pitch. No, you're just stupid. I know you think the economy is bad, but that's because you're so dumb. And actually, the problem is just that you've been manipulated to feel that the economy is bad. And look at this fancy chart I got here with a big number. $20 trillion is coming in. Like, oh, you know, it's like, look, between and. I don't know, Rob, you might know these charts better than me, right? But, like, when you look at whatever the numbers are, it's so goofy. But if you look at like, like Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, like those terms. So the last, you know, eight or the last two, eight terms, plus this, this one year or whatever, they've created, what, like 70% of the money that's ever been created in the history of the world or something like that. Like, you know what I mean? You look at those charts, like the amount of money creation. So yeah, you could say, look, trillions, tens of trillions, you know, all this money. But that's not what people are talking about. So here you have. This is the message of Donald Trump. You know, it's like, oh, why do people have such economic anxiety? I don't know. Because they're wrong, because they're stupid, because they've been fooled. And I mean, like, how much do you need to look around, Rob, before you go, like, okay, Israel's getting every bit of funding that they need to keep destroying Gaza. Ukraine's still being funded. Epstein still being covered up. Where's government spending? Okay, it's higher than it was the last year. My point basically is not only do we get Joe Biden's presidency, but we also get Joe Biden's defense for the economy. Like, if there was a way to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, to take this monumental, historic victory from a year ago and just have, have blown it all, you know, just blown it all in a year. There's your message right there. Everybody concerned with the economy, you're wrong and kind of stupid. And the real victim here is Donald Trump.

C (19:08)

It's, it's, it's not even a coherent pitch because. Let's just go with that. 20 trillion is accurate. Firstly, he's stating it like he's already collected 20 trillion. I think the most. Fate. I really got to dig in and debunk this, but I think the most favorable position is over the next 10 years or 30 years, they might see $10 trillion in tariff revenue. Now, that doesn't equate for any, any lost taxes or economic development because of increased costs. But let's just go with $20 trillion is coming in from tariffs. He doesn't mean that they've already collected $20 trillion. I don't think that's going to take much to debunk. We have not made $20 trillion in the last four months that he's had a tariff policy or anywhere close to it. Yes, so let's just go with that. There is $20 trillion coming in from tariffs over an extended period of time. Then the pitch would be, I'm the first president that actually solved the nation's debt. And I understand that right now you're seeing an increase in costs and you're seeing a halt in economic development, but the favor I just did for your grandkids and the economy in three or four years from now, as we're actually paying down the debt, I'm the first true conservative. That would be the pitch. But when people are not in a favorable economic environment and prices are going up and you're telling them about, firstly a phony sum of money, $20 trillion is not coming in. You're also not even applying it for the debt. So what exactly is the pitch here of the $20 trillion coming in? You would at least need the next line of listen, I understand all of your prices are going up and you don't have a job, but I'm tariffing people and $20 trillion are coming in and I'm going fully socialist. So I'm actually going to start sending you the money directly. And you can thank China for the fact that you don't have to work anymore. I can't actually get you a factory job, but look, you got a check coming from China. The point I'm just trying to make is that this pitch of, oh well, there's $20 trillion coming in from tariffs. So now explain to me, so what's the pitch? How does that help me? I'm an American, I don't like my job, I'm driving an Uber, I got a college degree, don't have a job that I want, don't know how to afford a home. How does $20 trillion in tariffs coming in help me?

B (21:17)

Yeah, no, that's right. No, you're right. It's a totally incoherent pitch, but also, you know, right. Like I agree with everything you said there. And, and I think at the heart of it, like you said, you got people in these situations. Like, you're, you're right. You said you're a kid with a college degree, you come out of college now you're working at doordash and you have 200 grand in debt and the average single family home is going for 600 grand in your area. And you're like, dude, I mean, I make like, look, I mean, I don't know, the median household income is still like, I think around 70 grand in the country. That's the median household. You know, you're, you're a 22, 23 year old. Maybe you're coming at, you know, you're working at doordash. What are you making for that 40 grand a year or something like that. You know, imagine you're making 40 grand a year and you're 200 grand in debt and the average house goes for 600 grand. You explain to me how you get ahead in life like that and so you're in that situation and then the price of everything is getting more and more expensive. And then Donald Trump's going to tell you now, dude, what do you have economic anxiety for? I got 20 trillion here. Like, do I have 20 trillion? Like, what does this even mean? It's just, it's so bad. It is so bad and so pathetic.

C (22:42)

$20 trillion. And listen, I didn't like green energy or windmills, but what I do like is nuclear power so that I can hand over all of the nation's resources to AI developers who are already extraordinarily wealthy. Because if we want to stay ahead of China, we don't need free markets. We need the government to intervene and, and make sure that there's enough energy supplies for, for this AI tech development.

B (23:06)

Yeah, well, that's right. I mean, look, I do think that there is a, A, as I think Hayek would have said, a fatal conceit, which I think is what you're getting to here, right? Like there's this fatal conceit from the Republicans if they are. Even if they're saying tariffs are how you get rich or something like that. It's like, oh, so like taxing the people who are ripping you off. That's kind of what you're getting at here. Like, so you've already conceded the entire moral framework to socialism. And look, it's. You guys, everybody should be aware of this. I mean, you can just see the writing is all on the wall. It's obvious that, look, all the energy goes to Donald Trump because the, the regime is just so corrupt and so criminally corrupt and is destroying the country. Donald Trump gets in there on this promise of drain the swamp doesn't drain anything. Things are more expensive than ever now. And who comes in to fill that void? The socialist left saying, here's your answer. Because they're always going to have a quicker answer. Their answer essentially is that, look, I mean, all of this government interventionist stuff is socialism to one degree or another. And Donald Trump's essentially going, we need socialism to fight, you know, Israel's war, right? Like, we need to a government program of taxing. We need socialism to, to bomb whatever Venezuela. We need socialism to bomb Iran. We need socialism to fix the economy. We need social. And it's just pretty easy eventually For a leftist to come in and go, I say we need socialism to make your rent cheaper. Who wins in that argument? Who wins a hundred out of a hundred times? You almost can't even blame the young people for going more in that direction at a certain point. And, you know, as you saw with the mom Donnie thing, then essentially all the establishment can say is he's an anti Semite. Well, why is he an anti Semite? Because he doesn't support Israel. And they're like, we like that about him. Okay, next, like what? Okay, we also don't support Israel. What the hell are you talking about then? Especially in this environment where like, everybody who is critical of Israel has at least once been called an anti Semite. So now you're just calling him an anti Semite. It's just, they're like, yeah, that's what we get called. Okay. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. And their Black Friday Survival Special is coming up. You know, ever since COVID millions of Americans have started buying preparedness supplies. I've said often that I think Covid was what the Great Depression was for my grandfather's generation, where it just affected them and they were like, I know personally, for me, I will always have a supply of food and fresh water and just preparedness that I didn't think about before COVID And it's a big mistake to not be prepared when an emergency hits. Now, a big mistake that people getting prepared make with their emergency food supply is that they don't have a way to cook it in a real emergency when the power is out or the grid is down. That's why our friends over at My Patriot Supply created the Black Friday survival Special. It comes with a 4 week food supply plus $150 worth of free gifts, including everything you need to prepare your emergency meals like a cook stove, fuel, fire starters, a water purifier, a bugout bag, and more. It's the complete survival kit your family needs to ride out natural disasters, civil unrest, or anything worse. And it also makes a great Christmas gift. Go check them out@mypatriotsupply.com to see everything that's included in the and with all the uncertainty in the world right now, you simply can't afford to be unprepared. Go to my patriotsupply.com problem. That's my patriotsupply.com Problem. All right, let's get back into the show. All right, let's hear. Let's keep playing. Because it actually gets worse than this.

E (27:08)

The economy was listed as a top concern. I know you know this for voters in New Jersey, New York, Virginia, and you've been all over the affordable foreign affordability issue today and for the last several months, eggs, gas, dinner, costs for Thanksgiving, way down. But other things, as you noted, have gone up. Beef, coffee, they're going to come. Auto repairs. Is this a voter perception issue of the economy or is there more that needs to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill or done in terms of.

D (27:38)

Policy more than anything else? It's a con job by the Democrats. They're saying they just have a, you know, they put out something, say today costs are up. They feed it to the anchors of abc, CBS and NBC and a lot of other and you know, CNN, etc. And it's like a standard. I'll never forget they had used a word like manufactured. You remember the word manufacture. It's a manufactured economy. Nobody uses that word. Every anchor broke. Manufactured. They do exactly what they say. It's such a rigged system. So are you ready? Costs are way down. Gasoline is going to be hitting $2 pretty soon, or around $2. Gasoline is at 270 now and it was at 450 under Biden, under Sleepy Joe. When gasoline comes down, when energy comes down and everybody agrees energy is down, we're drilled, you know, drill, baby, drill. We're going like wild. We produce more gasoline, oil and gas in the last month than we ever have before by far. And we're going to also end up filling up the national strategic reserves which were taken out by Biden in order to try and win an election. Didn't work out too well. They, they tapped in. That's supposed to be for war, for national emergency, not to get.

E (28:48)

So you're saying that voters are misceiving how they feel or.

D (28:53)

So when I took over, you remember.

E (28:55)

Because you said Biden did that too, because he was saying things are great.

D (28:58)

Synonymous, Biden and Kamala, you know, because you didn't know who the hell was campaigning. I mean, it got to a point. So I was up by 20 points on Biden or some crazy number. And they said, all right, let's get him out, we'll put a new one. This never happened to anybody. All of a sudden I have somebody new and they had the six week honeymoon, you know, which was standard in the world of politics. You get a little honeymoon and she had her little honeymoon. But then eventually people got to know her too. And then they had the 60 Minutes catastrophe where they, you know, changed her answer.

E (29:28)

Housing costs are.

B (29:32)

I just thought, I don't know. I just loved the way it just adds the housing. Like, I got to say, first of all, because we get into just like, how ridiculous and how terrible this answer is. Again, it is, Rob. It's like, you know that the Facebook meme where, like, there's four pictures and everyone just turns into Joe Biden a little bit more like, he's just Joe Biden by the end. But I also got to say, there's this quality about Donald Trump that is this, this energy, this big ball of charismatic narcissism that when utilized correctly, is something people really like about him. But then when it misses the mark, it really is an ugly thing, because that's how narcissism is. It's actually a very ugly thing when you really get a look at it. And so when Donald Trump is. When he's pissing off all the worst people in America, when Donald Trump is the candidate and all the people who ruined the country are like, I'm very offended by him. Well, now, you know, he can kind of do no wrong. And no matter what brash thing he says, you're kind of on his side because, you know, screw those guys. And then when, you know, Megan Kelly's like, you've said horrible things about women and this, and he's like, only Rosie o' Donnell or whatever, you're like, you know, it's like, yeah, I get him. And you don't even mind a little bit of his own egotistical stuff in there when he's promising to win for you. But it's such a different thing when the question is, okay, you're the presiding ruler now and you're not winning for them. And then he transitions to just bragging about himself, just bragging about the election that he won, just bragging about how nice the White House looks or how, you know, it's like, that really does not work. Like, I, I just tell you guys right now, this just is not going to resonate. But again, he's. To the broader point, he's doing exactly what Joe Biden did during the years of high price inflation under Biden, where they. Remember Rob, where they would pick one thing and they'd be like, hot, yeah, beans are down. Hot dogs are still reasonable. The buns are three times as expensive, so probably you're gonna have to go with that bun, but the dog itself, you could still afford, you know, and you're like, dude, what are you. I mean, this attempt at gaslighting, you Know, I know we made this point a lot. It almost feels like we're regurgitating the stuff we were saying about Joe Biden, because Trump saying the same stuff. But this is not, you know, if you want to try to convince people that climate change is real, well, like, okay, a lot of people could buy that. Hey, listen, the scientists figured this out. They got their charts and graphs, they're looking at data, and they're. They're putting together, you know, projections that you probably aren't educated enough to understand. You know, and you could do this with a lot of different things, but when it comes to the economy, when it comes to, are things more expensive, you're telling people to ignore their lying eyes. This is what Joe Biden was doing during the years of price. Like, what regular person. Everyone I know. Everyone I know, including the people who are really high earners, because I know a lot of people who make really good money. Everybody I know, but everyone who has a job. What all adults are talking about today is how expensive everything is. Like, everybody's talking about this. It's. It's the running conversation that everyone and every one of their friend groups has. Like, what the. Like, I just got a coffee for $6. What the hell is going on? None of this makes sense to any of us. You know, like, I. Like just the money. We don't even understand money anymore because it's been debased so much. Like, I'm so out of touch. Like, I, I told, you know, like, I go to, like, a burger joint for my family and get, like, four burgers and some fries and a soda, and you're like, what?

D (33:22)

What?

B (33:22)

I owe you $130. Like, all right, I guess that's what money is today. Like, I. To me, that was not. That's not what money is supposed to be. That's like, we went to a fancy restaurant and sat down or something. But the idea that you're going to tell people that prices are down when they are not, it's just objectively not true. Yes, there are certain prices that you can find in an economy filled with, you know, like, a few billion different prices. You could point to a few that are down, but overall they're. They're up and up substantially. They're up like three and a half percent year to date on just by the cpi. And the CPI never accounts for the real increase in prices. So, like, yes, prices are worse. They're everything you had to deal with under Biden, but higher than that. And if the strategy is to say Nuh, that ain't true. That's the Democrats winning Congress and the presidency. Now. I hope people understand, like, how dire the situation of that is. Like, it's not a joke, man. The last time they were in, they really tried to like cramp down on free speech and freedom in general in this country. And they're going to be coming back with a vengeance. This shit is going to lead to them taking the country back.

C (34:32)

All right, the first thing I'm going to say is important is I moved in my chair and it made a fart noise and that wasn't me. I'm smart enough to mute the thing and stare at the camera if I need a password.

B (34:42)

So that was, that was a very Trumpian response, though. Whatever you think you're seeing and hearing, that's just not happening.

C (34:48)

And I would.

B (34:48)

Democratic. It's a Democratic hoax.

C (34:50)

I just want the audience to know I'm at least professional enough to mute my, mute my mic under such circumstances. But once again, you know.

D (35:02)

This is.

C (35:02)

A decent pitch to go. Listen, I'm working on oil prices and once energy is cheaper, you're going to see costs come down. The problem is I think a lot of people are actually seeing increased energy costs, which is because of the data in AI centers. And a lot of that stuff is not on an oil grid. But I don't know the specifics on that. But the. What's, what's just another contradiction is if you actually get to two dollar oil pricing. I'd have to research this, but my guess is that shuts down United States oil drilling because I remember in the past the lower price, like fracking is really only profitable, like at some of the higher prices. And so I'm just going to guess that there's a contradiction in there as well. Of I got oil down to 2 to $2 a gallon. And also we're going to be drill baby drill, because I think if you get it down to $2 a gallon, it's no longer a drill baby drill environment.

B (35:51)

Right? Right. Now that's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah. I just don't. I can. The real fundamental problem here, right. And this is that we, and we laid it out on yesterday's show. But it's just that like, Donald Trump doesn't have either the knowledge or the balls to just tackle the real problem. And that is really at the heart of all of this. You know, we have an empire that we cannot afford to maintain and a welfare state that we cannot afford to maintain. And I said I'm really talking about the entitlements. We can't afford any of this shit. We're going broke. And we're printing the money to make up for it. And this is debasing the currency, and it's leading to the prices of everything going up. And if you're not going to take on that and you're also not even willing to, like, expose the stuff that the Deep State's doing, like Epstein stuff. Well, there's. There's drain the swamp. That's it. You know, at this point, we're just kind of. You know, there was this old. There was this old episode of the Office once where they. It's been a while since I watched this, but they, like, they send, like. They're filming a commercial for Dunder Mifflin, and so they send a crew over to the Scranton branch to go. And Michael's very excited because they're like, you're gonna get some creative input on this. And he has this whole concept for the commercial. And then they. They play the commercial and they're like. It's like at the end of the commercial is the branch people waving, and they're like, oh, that's the part you get to be creative with. Like, you don't have to wave. You could do thumbs up. You could do. And he realizes he can't actually. He doesn't actually have creative control over this whole thing. He's got this little tiny splice at the end, and there's really not that much you can do with that. And it's kind of like you say you're going to drain the swamp, okay, but we're not going to cut the Pentagon, you know, because that's like, I believe in a. In a larger Pentagon budget. Like, okay. Also, I won't touch entitlement programs because I don't want to lose the votes of senior citizens. Like, okay. Also, I won't really release the Epstein information because, you know, I don't want to upset powerful people or maybe I'm protecting myself or whatever. Also, we're not really going to prosecute Obama, even though he said we have the proof that he's guilty of treason. And at a certain point, you're like, well, then what are we even left with here? What does drain the swamp mean? And it means what we're seeing, Rob. We got Chauncey Billups. An NBA coach was gambling on NBA games. All right? You know, that's. That's the type of we got. And then it's like, little. And look, I'M not even saying, like, you know, I don't know. I'd have to sit down and go, is, is Donald Trump refilling the strategic reserves of petroleum? Is that like a good call or a bad call? Like, I don't know. I'd have to sit down. But all I know is that this is tinkering around the edges. This just does not even grapple with any of the major problem problems that we have. Like, the major, major problems that we have in this country. And of course, a huge component of that, I would argue the major component of that is that the entire system is run by the War Party, and the War Party ain't interested in any of that. War Party ain't interested in sound money, because you can't be a world empire with sound money. So, you know, it's just like Donald Trump's in a position where once you're, you're abandoning all of that, then all you have left is this. And I'll tell you part of the reason why it's a. And I'm not, like, I'm not a Republican. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I've voted Republican before and I've supported some Republicans, but really only a handful, Ron Paul, and I guess I supported Rand Paul early in 2016 and Trump this last time and a couple others. But like, and Thomas Massie, obviously. But like. So I'm not just saying this like, hey, guys, I want our team to win. It's like, I want the country to win. I see the Democrats as being the biggest threat to the country. But again, as I've made this point before, Rob, what is JD Vance going to run on after this? Like, once you've said that, what's, what's he going to say? Like, now, seriously, this time we're really going to drain the swamp. You're, you know, you're tanking the entire credibility of the administration. I mean, look, Rob, like, am I exaggerating here? But if you just. I think we got our finger on the pulse to some degree of this world we live in this world. You know, if you just think about, Forget even the polls, right? Because I understand people don't trust polls that much. But like, also, when you have the same poll, had him at record high, now has them at record low, you know, okay, there's something there. But forget even the polls. Just in the hearts and minds of the people, the esteem that Trump was held in a year ago compared to now, it's like you kind of can't even measure how much he's fallen. And it's not just him. It's all of them, dude. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, Bobby Kennedy, all of them. They're just all like, they've. And when you seed that energy, politically speaking, what you're also putting in jeopardy is the fact that. And correct me if I'm wrong on this, Rob, but over the last few years, this is the only time in the history of my life where the cultures move to the right. There's. There's never been a period of time the culture was steadily moving to the left. Always. It. It was they. They used to run on this feeling of inevitability. You remember how every time you'd ever be in an argument with, like, a social justice warrior, they would just say, you're on the wrong side of history, as if it was a given that history is moving in their direction. Because it kind of seemed like that for a long time. And for the first time, we actually really moved the. And you put all of that in jeopardy when the administration that, that cultural shift, you know, was embodied by fails at everything. It's really dangerous ground. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Brunt Workwear. These boots are incredible. They sent me a pair of these. If you are working on a job site, if you need a good pair of work boots, you got to check out Brunt. These things are. They're excellent work boots. They're really cool looking and they feel like you're wearing slipp. They're the most comfortable pair of work boots you'll ever put on, like, forever. 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C (43:15)

You know, not that this is a perfect analytic, but earlier into Trump, man, the pushback I was getting anytime you criticized him. And I don't. Firstly, I don't experience that anymore, but I don't really see people, like, out with Trump hats, Trump signs, Trump that. You know what I mean? It seems like very quietly, it's like the backpedaling out of the room, like the Peter Griffin, or I think it's the Homer Simpson into the bushes.

B (43:41)

Yeah, yeah.

C (43:41)

Where he just backs back in. It feels like you're right. All the enthusiasm for all these characters is seemingly not there anymore.

B (43:51)

It almost, in a way, feels like. I don't know. I'm trying to think of the right example, but, you know, like. Like in a TV show or something like that, like, you're, like, trying to make, you know, there's like, a girl who's trying to make a guy jealous or something like that. So she's, like, all over another guy because she wants that guy to see, but then that guy, like, leaves, and then she's like, oh, okay, yeah, no, I don't actually like you. Like, I was just trying to make that guy jealous or something like that. Like, it's like Donald Trump was this tool to piss everybody else off, but then you take them out and he's just there, and you're like, oh, well, I don't know. And I will tell you again, I try not. You know, it's hard. There's something, actually, I was talking about with Constantin Kissin on the trigonometry podcast the other day, which was very good, by the way. I really enjoyed doing it. I really appreciated those guys. I thought the whole spirit of the thing was they really. They didn't come in and try to, like, win and. And get me, which I kind of was. You know, I wasn't sure, but I thought. But we really just had, like, a conversation. It really wasn't a debate. It was just, like, a good conversation about all this stuff. But anyway, this. This kind of like a. This idea came up where we were talking about how, like, we're all a little bit blinded by our own perspectives and our own algorithms and the worlds that we are in. And so sometimes it's tough to get a gauge. But I just use, like, I. I said, I use the Steven Crowder appearance of mine as an interesting to me, because, like, the same way I used that Charlie Kirk appearance, because you're like, yo, this is like the maga, you know, base home. This is where the, the most hardcore Trump loyalist should be. And I'm sitting there on both of those things. Like, the topic is you're calling for this guy to be, you know, tried for war crimes and executed upon conviction or something like that. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. And here's why. And the audience is just overwhelmingly, like, not only. Just not only not turned off by that, but just like, I'm listening. Yep. And so I, you know, I don't know what you can say. And like, as we've talked about many times, Obviously there was 20, 24 was an unbelievably unique situation. You know, Donald Trump had, like I said before, he had captured the culture and all this stuff, had made a completely new coalition. He had flipped, like the paradigm upside down. He was carrying young people, he was winning a higher percentage of blacks and Latinos, and he carried independence and he went over the middle. And he was even able to carry the defected liberals. Right. Like, he was able to carry. There were a lot of liberals who over the last, you know, 10 years, particularly over the last five years, were like, yo, this is a little bit too crazy. You know, this was a huge voting bloc. It's still, to this day is a big chunk of America that there were like, people who were pretty much liberals who were like, okay, but like men competing in women's sports. What? Wait, what? Locking down the country. Wait, forcing an experimental vaccine into people. Wait a minute. Pretending a brain dead, senile guy is sharp as attack. You know, there were just like, things where it was like, yeah, that's a bridge too far for me. The. This is represented by Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan and Jillian Michaels and just like a lot of people like that, and Donald Trump carried that, you know, group. And so, so now you had a situation where Donald Trump was bringing in the people like Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard and, you know, some who at least much more anti war than the establishment was. And Donald Trump had also been now the victim of this crazy lawfare where they actually tried to put him in jail. He was. There were multiple assassination attempts. He was coming back and there was this new coalition and it was like, hey, there are possibilities here that we maybe never really accounted for. Okay? There was something that at least warranted, like, taking a second look and really trying to grapple with the moment. But the fact is that this is not the first time Donald Trump's been president. It's the second time, and the first time ended in 2020. It ended with Donald Trump failing on the most important moment of his life. And it was his failure. You know, don't get me wrong, it was a lot of people's failure, but it was his failure. He was the President of the United States of America, and he was the one who declared the national emergency, and he was the one who made Fauci the face of the pandemic response. And he was the one who went out of his way to, to attack countries like Sweden for not locking down and attack governors who weren't locking down enough. Donald Trump failed 2020 miserably, and he left America with Joe Biden, and he is failing again, and he might leave us with something even worse than that. So, particularly for those of us who did support him in this last election, I think it's, it's kind of extra incumbent on us to, to be the ones pointing this out that, like, hey, there was a possibility here. It's been more than clearly signaled at this point that essentially none of those positives are going to come. You know, I think we've gotten what we could get already out of the Trump administration. I don't think we're getting anything else.

C (49:27)

Certainly, certainly feels like the current climate. It's just teasing. Venezuelan wars, more spending, more, you know, more central planning. It's none of what we hope for.

B (49:40)

Yeah.

C (49:41)

Though I guess at least we're not being censored by Democrats at the moment.

B (49:44)

Yes, at the moment that is true. At least. Listen, we are reaping still. We're reaping some of the rewards of the cultural shift over the last few years, and that's great. But if we want to keep shifting things in that direction, I think we got to keep telling the truth about these things. All right, let's, let's, let's go to the next, the next clip here.

D (50:09)

Unbelievable deal. China is paying tariffs to the United States, not the United States paying tariffs to China, which has always been the way it was. Nobody can believe these deals. But. So when somebody makes a statement about he's devoting time to the world, well, the world is the United States. Because if the world's in trouble or if the world is ripping up us off, you know, the world was ripping us off before I came here. Europe was getting massive tariffs. They were sending us 9,10 million cars a year. We were sending them none. They were not taking our agriculture. We were taking massive amounts of their. It was so unfair. Now we have a deal where $950 billion is coming into the United States because of me and because of tariffs. So if I don't do all these things, our country. Country is doing very poorly. So, you know, it's easy to say, oh, don't worry about the world, but the world is turning out to be our biggest customer. The world is. The world was on fire. And we could have been in that fire very easily if you didn't have a president that knew what he was doing.

B (51:13)

There is Donald Trump. There you go. Slightly different than the America first message that he wrote to the White House saying, well, actually, it is all about the world. But even. What do you. What do you have here? Right? Aside from just the. The insulting economic illiteracy about they were sending us more cars that we were sending that like, oh, my God. You know. You know what's crazy, Rob, is that my car dealership, they've sent me more cars than I've sent them. Every time I've gotten two cars from them, and they've gotten none from me, I just give them cash. Clearly, that means something. Like what. What is even your conception of what economics is? It's just totally ridiculous, is, Rob, you know, I have a huge trade deficit with my local supermarket. They just dump food. I've never given them food once. I just give them cash and they give me food. So obviously they're making me poorer. Right. Something. But the point is that the question gets asked to Donald Trump, that your supporters feel like you're too focused on foreign policy and not focused enough on this country. And then he could sit there and say his whole thing, tariffs are great and everything is great, and this is working so great. But again, now you're in the Joe Biden. Now you're in the Barack Obama position of defending your recovery that the entire country is telling you they are not feeling, but you're going, no, no, no. It's so great. And then this. And I got to say, this really reminded me of Obama. As if you remember, Rob, which, you know, you're a little younger than me, but you're old enough to remember the Obama years. If you remember, that was their whole economic pitch. It was the pitch through the entire eight years where people would go, we are not feeling this recovery, and they'd go, yeah, but if we hadn't spent all this money, it'd be even worse. They just use the unfalsifiable, counterfactual Dick Cheney on terrorism. Yep, that's right. That's right. It's. It's all the same thing. If we hadn't done this, it would be even worse. That is, even though it, it theoretically could be true at times, it's not true in any of those cases. But like, it could theoretically be true that you did something and things are bad, but it could have been worse if you hadn't done the thing. Like, that's logically impossible to be correct, but it is the weakest goddamn political slogan imaginable. That is how. That is what you say when you're getting ready to lose an election. I know things are really bad, but I deserve credit for it. All right.

C (53:55)

It could have been worse campaign. I know you don't like what's going on, but it would have been worse. I know it's not good, but it could have been worse.

B (54:02)

That is, that is the app, the worst political messaging, you know, and that's what you're, that's what you're left with when you're pretty desperate because you don't have anything real to, to defend. Here. I'll go to. I think we had a couple questions in the chat. I'll go to one before we play the next. Oh, here's a question for Rob. I came across a discussion between Rob and Scott Horton on the store on the Star wars prequels and their parallels to the American Empire. Well, the parallels to the American Empire and the Iraq War. Can you please do this again? It was fucking awesome.

C (54:40)

There you go. Well, for anyone who has never checked out, run your mouth. It is a great podcast and there are multiple episodes with Scott Horton, including a very nerdy breakdown of Star wars and what we could learn about our political climate. And then this past year, we did a conspiracy debunker where we got into. It's the second half of the episode, but you can hear Scott's thoughts on 9 11. I don't think you'll find that anywhere else, so go check it out.

B (55:05)

Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting because I know it pisses a lot of people off that Scott Horton's not a 911 truth or. But, you know, he is right about everything he says. I mean, he's just got an undeniable case. There's, there's a lot of just, there's a lot of popular conspiracies about 911 that really just don't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. It was very. I really liked that episode a lot. Run your mouth is great. By the way. Anyone who listens to this, you're crazy if you don't listen to. Run your mouth. Okay, I thought there was another one here, but maybe I missed it. Oh, yeah, Dave. Oh, this is a good question, because this is actually something that you had sent Rob to the chat here. But, Dave, did you see Miriam Adelson just threw 20 million at Massey's next race? Yes, I did see that. And yeah, I think we're, you know, I've been talking to some people about that. I think we're going to try to do like, kind of a big social media thing and really kind of push awareness about this. But isn't it crazy, again, like, the Donald, Donald Trump himself in, In a clip where we almost debate. I mean, I think you argued against me and you were probably right, but we almost, like, it was debatable in that clip where you're like, is he attacking her? Like, is he subliminally attacking her? But in that clip where he just goes, basically just says that yet she loves Israel more than she loves America. And, man, her and her husband were at my office every goddamn day. And yeah, they're my biggest donor, but. And I did so much for Israel, for those guys. You're like, what the fuck? And then she is throwing money into Thomas Massey's race. This is, this is the dynamic that. It's funny because there's been, you know, so much talk of Nick Fuentes in this world lately, but this is the dynamic where, like, you will never get rid of Nick Fuentes as long as you have this going on. It's just too crazy, you know, And I appreciated, when I was on trigonometry, I talked about this a little bit. I think the guys were pretty open to that because I'm trying. I'm kind of going like, look, guys, okay, I know there's some things about this, this guy and his people that you don't like, but let's just talk about, like, come on. This is so weird. You got these people who are like crazy influential power brokers who very clearly have loyalty to a foreign government and that they're going to try to unelect a wildly popular congressman and his. I mean, Thomas Massey, how many terms does he serve now? He's won many elections there in Kentucky. Clearly they like him. Clearly, he's unlike most congressmen. He's got like a national movement that's behind him and like, the most America first congressman, you know, and you, out of loyalty to a foreign government, are going to try to unseat him. I mean, what can you say about that? That's just so intolerable for any self respecting nation. So, yeah, yeah, I did see that. And it is in some, in a weird way, I almost love the optics of it. You know what I mean, Rob? Because it just makes it so. Like, how do you even argue with this? Here's Donald Trump saying she, she cares about Israel more than America. And here she is trying to undermine the most America first Congressman. And why, why does she not like Thomas Massie? Well, very simple. There's one reason he doesn't support Israel. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Monetary Metals, an amazing company run by amazing liberty loving people and they have really revolutionized the precious metal space. Many of us have owned precious metals for years and we do that for various reasons because it's a hedge against inflation and it's a tangible asset. And you know, but there's a better way to do it. And the better way is not just to own physical gold that just sits in your house collecting dust. It's not to have your gold professionally stored and pay exorbitant fees to have it stored. The best way is to own gold and silver. That works for you, generating more ounces of gold and silver. And the way to do that is to check out monetary metals. Check them out@monical-metals.com they've been paying interest in gold and silver in additional ounces of gold and silver for years. And it's really changed the entire system. You can, you can actually opt out of the Federal Reserve System now. You can opt out of money entirely. You can opt out of fiat currency and into real money like gold and silver. Check them out@metanical-metals.com all right, let's get back into the show. Yeah. Any thoughts on that one, Rob?

C (59:29)

Well, I think obviously Massey is the best we've got and I was actually going to talk to you at Skankfest about that because I think the race is in May and we should get involved however we can because he needs to stick around. And I certainly think it showcases the flaw of Donald Trump and his pretend America first movement when he just absolutely can't have Massey around because Massie's sometimes right and sometimes he's more interested in truth than he is in just swearing allegiance to Donald Trump. And that completely undermines what Donald Trump's trying to do or stated differently, it keeps it somewhat in check. And when he's doing some of the most nefarious things, such as, hey, there was no Epstein situation or is making it harder for American beef producers. There's a whole list of topics. Massie's clearly right, and so we need some people that will actually talk the truth in government and hopefully, you know, put the other people on the record as being wrong and bad so we can correct things.

B (60:29)

Yeah, I. I couldn't agree more. And, you know, after my. My experiment with the Mises Caucus takeover of the Libertarian Party and. And after the successes and failures of that. That project, you know, I've been. I. I haven't been focused on any grand political project, you know what I mean, since then. And I'm. I'm like, you know, I think I'm going to return to just telling the truth about these things and doing shows and doing big debates and big podcasts and stuff, and just doing kind of what I do to. To move the needle as best I can on. On the biggest issues of the day. But if there is a political project that I'm like, oh, yeah, sign me up for that. It's like, it would be, yes, we support supporting Thomas Massie in this race. And then it would be, I thought Tucker Carlson went on this big. We should primary Lindsey Graham and get rid of him. And I'm like, yeah, there you go. I'm for that. I'm for getting rid of Lindsey Graham and keeping Thomas Massey. Sign me up in whatever capacity I can serve in those roles. Happy to help. So, yeah, okay, let's play. Let's do one more clip, and then we'll. We'll call it a show.

E (61:37)

Folks are not thrilled about this idea of hundreds of thousands of foreign students in the United States. We have about 350,000 Chinese. One point during COVID you were going to, you know, push to, you know, get them out, but that was pulled back. You've said as many as 600,000 Chinese students could come to the United States. Why, sir, is that a pro maga position when so many American kids want to go to school and there are places not for them, and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money.

D (62:06)

Sure. Never said about China, but we do have a lot of people coming in from China. We always have China and other countries. We also have a massive system of colleges and universities. And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.

E (62:25)

So what?

D (62:26)

Well, I think that's a big deal.

E (62:27)

Are they fancy?

D (62:28)

You would have the United States. Yeah, but you would have, as, you know, historically black colleges and universities would all be out of business. You would have a system of colleges and universities.

E (62:42)

So we're dependent on China to keep our universities.

D (62:45)

But I think it's good to have. I actually think. I think it's good to have outside countries. Look, I want to be able to get along with the.

E (62:51)

They're not the French. They're the Chinese. They spy on us. They steal our intellectual property.

D (62:55)

The French are better.

E (62:56)

Yeah.

D (62:57)

Really? I'll tell you, I'm not so sure. We've had a lot of problems with the French where we get taxed very unfairly on our technology, where, you know, they put 25% taxes on American products. Look, assuming everyone treats us badly, because that's the way I am. But we take in trillions of dollars from students. You know, the students pay more than double when they come in from most foreign countries. I want to see our school system thrive. But at the same time, I want to be. I know you and I disagree. We're never going to agree on it. That's okay. And it's not that I want them, but I view it as a business. We have millions and millions of people. Also, I want to get along with countries, if possible. You know, people shocked. Remember Hillary Clinton said we'll be in a war? I stopped eight wars in the last nine months. I don't want to be in wars. If I am in a war, we're going to win the thing fast, and it'll be violent, but I don't want to be in worse. But one thing. You don't want to cut half of the people, half of the students from all over the world that are coming into our country, destroy our entire university and college system. I don't want to do that.

B (64:06)

All right, you can end up there. That's basically it. I mean. Oh, he goes on to say MAGA was my idea, and I know what MAGA is, or something like that. It's like, man, that's, again, something you just never want to be saying. That's what you're saying to your own movement. You do what I tell you, and you like what I say. I decide what MAGA is. All right, well, we decide who we're gonna support. Good luck with that. But look, the whole thing here is. I mean. Right. I guess the point here is. And I'm not even saying, like, oh, no, you know, no immigrants should go to college or something like that or that, you know, like, I'm. I'm sure there is an argument somewhere to be said for, like, if some brilliant Indian doctor or. Or will be in the future doctor wants to come over here and go to medical school, that it might be good for us to have more brilliant doctors over here. Like, I don't know, there's, there's arguments that could be made. But I think more here. The point of this is there's really two major points here. Number one is just how out of touch the messaging with what was resonating with Donald Trump's base is. You know, the fact is that in this country we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants here, somewhere between 30 to 50 million illegal immigrants in the country. No one really knows exactly how much. And the people are against that. They believe that. You know what I mean? Like there shouldn't be this, this high levels of immigration, particularly illegal immigration. And Donald Trump ran on build a wall, deport them all. Now he's trying to make this argument that in fact we really need all of these foreign students. And then there was, I thought the moment there that was very interesting was there, there is this, this kind of disconnect and it's, it would almost be impossible for right wingers like Laura Ingraham to not have arrived at this place by 2025. But when Donald Trump goes, then the whole university system would collapse and she goes, so what? Good. Like, so you're telling me that the justification for this is that we have to prop up the, the, one of the most corrosive and corrupt institutions in America, academia, like Donald Trump. When you talk about draining the swamp, what did you ever even think the swamp was? It's just, I don't know, there was something about this where you just go like, it almost, like it almost reminds me of Barack Obama but like so sped up because we're talking about over a year. But you know, if you think about where Barack Obama was in 2008 in the public consciousness when he was given a speech in front of hundreds of thousands of people and he was just given these beautiful speeches that about, you know, the sea levels stopped, r. Stopped rising and we took back our country. And like the, all this stuff that just beautiful, these beautiful rah rah America speeches. It's kind of like this universally beloved figure with these crazy high approval ratings, approval ratings up in like the high 70% I think when he first came in. And now you look at Obama and he's just like this old liar and everyone's making fun of his wife's dick, you know, like it's just like just this fall from grace and it just seems to me like Donald Trump's done that in a year. Okay. He was never quite an Obama figure, like as popular as Obama was at that time. But like the energy and the, the, the, the vibe factor or whatever they were calling it, you know, for a while down to now. This, it's just a pathetic fall off. It just represents like the collapse of this administration. I'll give you the last word, Robin, then let's wrap up.

C (67:56)

I agree. 100. I gotta catch a flight. Goodbye everybody. See in New Orleans. See it. Skank fest. Come over, say hello and that's it. Later, dude.

B (68:04)

Yeah, we'll be doing a big pay per view part of the problem event over there too, if you guys want to order it. It'll be a fun one. Yeah, yeah, it should be a real fun one. All right, thanks for listening guys. Catch you next time. Peace.