C (2:25)

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, that's Healthy Hibernation, by the way. We had a little bit of a problem with way more demand than we were anticipating, but all those. Yeah, yeah, I know it's, it's a good problem to have, but Healthy Hibernation is up, available still on, on Amazon. Okay, so we let's. There's a bunch of stuff I want to talk to. This is one of those day, you know, sometimes we have, you know, know these shows where there's just a lot of stuff to get to. And then, of course, we, you know, the timing of our last episode of the week. There's always the biggest gap between that and then the first episode of the next week. And then we, we missed yesterday's show, so there was a particularly big gap. So there's a lot of stuff to talk about. I do want to lead with a, an important correction from the last show that I really must make. What I said in our last episode, and I don't know, listen, I do not often do this, but I just got this wrong and thought I remembered reading something I didn't read. But I said a couple times in the last episode that Pollard was at the White House, and that was not right. I, I thought I had read that initially, and then I'd read a bunch of other articles, and then I went back and realized I just invented that in my own mind. So sorry about that, guys.

D (3:33)

Brain fart. It happens.

C (3:34)

Yeah. There you go.

D (3:35)

Skank fest. Take news is 50% accurate before we return to our normal schedule.

C (3:40)

Well, I, I, I tend to be a bit better than that, but yes, no, Pollard was not at the White House. Pollard. It was him and Huckabee meeting at the, the American Embassy. Everything else in the rant, though, was spot on. It was really just that detail. But I should correct that. All right. I'm not quite sure where, you know, I, I think we'll actually just start the episode with the Barry Weiss clip because I just found this to be too damn fascinating. Rob, you had mentioned to me this morning that you were like, oh, we got to carry this cover this Barry Weiss segment. And I had seen some clips from the, whatever. It was like a Jewish leadership summit with her and Ben Shapiro and some other people. But I wasn't sure exactly what clip you were talking about. And then I went and I saw one. I was like, oh, is this the one you were like, yep, that's it. And I was like, man, this is. It's like every sentence. I feel like we could have an entire episode responding to. We'll try to not make it that long and drawn out. But the reason why I found this so interesting, of course, is because. Well, look, Barry Weiss is. What are you really looking at here? I mean, what. I think this is a reasonable way to describe it, although I'm sure they would object to this. But if we're being fair here, you're looking at kind of the. The Israel Lobbies arm in the. In the new media. Like, I think this is kind of, in a way, what this. This meeting represents. And it's kind of interesting to hear their perspective and the tremendous disconnect between where they're at and where the rest of the country is. Anyway, there's just a lot of interesting stuff here, so I thought this would be worth us opening the show, playing and responding to. So here is Barry Weiss giving her thoughts on the state of America and media.

B (5:35)

All of us see the moment that we're in, and all of us see that. The choices that it feels like we have sometimes, which is Hasan Piker and Tucker, Carl Carlson or Nick Fuentes and, you know, Andrew Tate, the kind of people that are rising in the podcast charts, those don't actually represent our values, and I don't think that they represent the values and the worldview of the vast majority of Americans. And so this is an opportunity to speak for the 75%, for the people that are on the center left and the center right that still believe in equality of opportunity, that still believe passionately in the American project, that still believe in all of the things that everyone in this room believes in, which is liberty and freedom and individual responsibility. And in the most basic level, the right to know what is actually going on in the world, not the world's propagandists and ideologues.

C (6:33)

Okay, so already I just found so much fascinating in that. And maybe I'd like to get your take on this too, Rob, because I just find this to be. First of all, there is a. There's an interesting. Before we even get into the empty values that she's talking about at the end, and I must say, I'm kind of jarred at someone saying the right to know what's actually going on. Like, man, does that. Does that right not presuppose quite a bit? First of all, there's no such thing as the right to know what's actually going on. And of course, this is like some crazy level of Orwellian newspeak where, like, wait, what? Who is the dictator of what is actually going on? Who's the arbiter of what that really is? And how, if we have a right to really know what's going on, do we then have a right to not be misinformed about what's going on? And now who gets to make that, you know, determination? All these things don't make any sense, really. All you could ever really have is like a marketplace of ideas and allow people to determine for themselves what they think is really going on. But, you know, there's this thing that people do. I've seen this tactic used quite a bit where when people get very popular, whether it's any of the people she mentioned there, people have a tendency to say, well, that doesn't really represent, you know, most people. Now, there might be some truth to that. You know, there's. I don't know if you remember, Robin, in 2016, when Trump was running in the primary, this was one of the big things that they keep saying is they would go, donald Trump can't win against Hillary Clinton. You know, he can't win. And he'd be up by double digits in the, you know, he'd be taken 60% while the other 11 Republicans split the remaining 40%. But they'd all still say he's unelectable. And then Trump would fire back and he'd go, well, if I'm unelectable, then you're really unelectable because you're, you know, like you said that to Ted Cruz at one point, if I'm unelectable, then you're really unelectable because you're 20 points behind me. Now, it is possible, by the way, that both those things could be true. Like, it is possible that Donald Trump could garner way more attention, or he could be way more favorable amongst Republican voters, but be turn off independents and swing voters so much that it actually isn't the way to go or something like that. But it seems like people just assert that without even an argument attached to the latter part. Like, I'm not saying that isn't possible, but the, the assumption would be at least the default would be, well, if you're up 20 in the primary, you're probably more likely to win than the guy who's down 20 in the primary. Like, likewise, Barry Weiss could say, hey, Tucker Carlson, maybe Tucker Carlson gets, you know, millions more views on his show than, than I do on, on any of my podcasts. But I think there's more people in the country would be turned off by him than agree with him. Like, that could logically be true. But you'd have to have an argument for why you think that is, because the only numbers we're going based off here are showing that he's way more popular than you. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like a weird thing to deduce from the fact that he's way bigger than you and Ben Shapiro that therefore he actually must be more unpopular. And I'm certainly not saying that the 75% that she's just pulling out of her ass and saying these are the people who will support us rather than you. It's not that I'm saying they all agree with Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens or whoever. But the fact is that, and this is where I think there's, there's like a real disconnect. And I say this really, not in a hateful way, just to be clear, but like, Rob Bari Weiss is a, is a Jewish lesbian. Now, there's nothing wrong with being a Jewish lesbian. I'm a libertarian. I believe in everybody's rights, and I'm a Jewish libertarian. I've got nothing against Jewish people and I believe lesbians have a right to be lesbians. But there is something a little funny to me about a Jewish lesbian explaining how you don't have the same values and priorities as us Americans. When you're like, what percentage of Americans actually share your values? Like, what percentage of Americans are represented by the Bari Weiss worldview of like, loyalty to Israel is first and foremost what's important. Also, I'm a liberal lesbian who's against Wokeism and kind of like honors the old tradition of the 90s. Like, what, what percentage of people is this actually representing? Because it Damn sure ain't 75%. And I think one of the things that these guys are figuring out, and they'll do anything except confront this reality, is that actually, like, look, Ben Shapiro and Barry Weiss and the rest of these, these commentators in the Israel lobby, they are animated by a support for Israel. Now, they will, if a non Jewish person says this, they will say that that is an anti Semitic slur. But it's also just undeniably true. Undeniably true. Like, they are animated by this cause, which is the Jewish state, which is located in historic Palestine halfway around the world. That is not true for 75% of the American people. And so at least on the very basics of what you're Talking about here, I actually don't think that most of the people are with you. That seems undeniably true. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the Wellness Company. We've all heard the studies. 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D (13:50)

I just hear pure censorship, dribble, and the same thing I've heard a thousand times, which is, oh, everyone got the vaccine. I actually represent 75% of this country. And don't be fooled by how popular Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson is. That's not actually what the marketplace wants. And that's why I just got this huge sum of money and it's to produce the news that people actually want. All right, fine. Don't do the censorship part and see how many people actually want your news and opinion. And if it's true that you actually represent 75% of this country, I just hear a pure new pitch for censorship of I actually am what everyone's looking for and I'm bringing them the honest news bullshit.

C (14:35)

Well, also, like, and I get your point. Listen, I get your point. And look, if you wanted to be technical because, like, I get what you're saying, I agree with you, but want to be technical. Like, they're not actually calling for censorship. They're just making all of the noises and sounds you would make that would lead you to cause for censorship. Which, you know, is always, like, in the cards. That's so. I. I get your point. But also, like, just to your bro, like, if you just notice. Right. Me and you and. Let's say, like, me and you and Scott Horton and Clint Russell or whoever, like, people in our camp, we're not holding press conferences discussing why our audience is evaporating and what needs to be done to force them back into the mix. Well, because we're not losing audience. Like, these guys are doing this every day.

D (15:17)

It seems like, even if it's not direct censorship yet, even though she would love it if she could shut down all these voices, she would absolutely turn 100%, and she wouldn't be like, no, we need free speech. The fact that she received. What was it, $130 million. I mean, if we were to actually look at the marketplace and what the value is based on the views that she was generating, she's not talking about, oh, I'm just gonna continue to compete on YouTube and put my content up, because I actually know that if more people can find me, I'm what they want to hear, and I'm actually doing better news covers than anyone else. No, somehow somebody decided to spend $130 million to propagate your content because that's what they'd rather have people consuming. And so they're going to distort the market signals, like, what you're doing is more valuable and dump that much budget behind it.

C (16:08)

Yeah, no. 100%. That's right. And there's. You know, there's. It's just. It's amazing to see them. I mean, almost like they said every single. How many of these have we played here? I mean, I know I've seen them where it's all these constant, like, they are discussing amongst themselves why they're losing so badly, and they come to the conclusion that actually, they're not. Actually. We're not.

D (16:32)

75% of America loves us. Go look at my YouTube numbers, and you can see that 75% of the country is clearly watching my content. And Tucker and everyone else is lying to you in their charts when they show you that they're actually have larger audiences.

C (16:46)

Dude, we went over that poll on the show where it was like, they took the. It was like Americans polled, like, a week before or a couple weeks before, October 7th to now, and it was plus 48% in favor of Israel on who you sympathize with, the Palestinians or the Israelis, and now it's plus one for Palestinians. Like, you've. You've. Witnessed a 50 point collapse in the polls amongst the American general public. The. The left has completely abandoned Israel. The right is on its way to doing that as well. The young people are like, animated by hatred of Israel almost more than any other topic at this point. And yes, also in that, that same dynamic is demonstrated in the trends of who the popular commentators are, then it's obvious for anyone to see that Tucker is ascended, Nick Fuentes is ascendant, Candace Owens is ascended. All types of commentators who are critical of Israel are bigger and more influential and more relevant than ever before. I throw myself in that category as well. Like, all of the indicators here are pointing to the fact that the American people are kind of sick and tired of supporting this, this foreign nation that costs us way more than it benefits the country in getting that support. And yet here she is to tell you that actually the case is that 75% of people agree with us. Can you produce one poll that demonstrates that? No, but she's just kind of asserting and like, look, obviously there is, it is fairly reasonable to assert that, like, if most of the, if the, if most of the full population of this country, like, including like the older generations, the ones removed from YouTube or the Internet or whatever, if they saw like Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes, yeah, a lot of them probably would be shocked by it and not agree with it at all. But that's not really the point. The point is that, like, yeah, these are the type of people who Gen Z are listening to now. Like, that's where they are. And then who's most popular amongst, like, Gen X. Okay, it's Tucker and Candace. And then like, the point is that all across the field, the Israel narrative is losing the. That's just the world we live in. Like, I don't know why, you know, it's like me and you didn't sit around in March and April and pretend that the entire country was against lockdowns in 2020. Like, you got to deal with the real world, even if people disagree with you. We've all been in that situation before. But so she does. There's a little bait and switch there where she'll go, like, really, Andrew Tate, you think that's what most Americans support? It's like, yeah, no one really ever made that claim. But that doesn't mean that 75% of the people are with Barry Weiss and Ben Shapiro now, does it? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Rougette. If you've ever found yourself in that awkward situation where you're waiting to pick up a prescription from the pharmacy counter for an issue you'd rather not announce to the whole world. Well, now meet Rougette Ready, the first ever ED treatment to prime the brain for arousal and boost blood flow at the same time. It works in as little as 15 minutes. It stays effective for up to 36 hours and addresses both the physical and mental aspects of ed, something traditional pills aren't able to deliver on. And getting Rougette is simple. The whole process is 100% online. You answer some questions, it gets reviewed by a doctor within 24 to 48 hours, and your prescription shows up at your door in discreet packaging within a week. No insurance companies, no awkward pharmacy encounters, and no runarounds. So if you're ready to give Rougette a try, get 15% off your order today by going to rougette.com Dave. That's R U G I E T.com Dave. And use the promo, promo code Dave for 15 off your first order. Or you can simply click the link in the video description or scan the QR code on the screen to claim this offer. Again, that's rougette.com Dave promo code Dave for 15 off. All right, let's get back into the show. All right, let's keep playing from the clip.

B (21:05)

But what's actually going on in the world and in your community so you can make decisions, decisions about where to send your kids to school, about where to live, and about how to vote. That used to just be normal. And the goal of what we're trying to do at CBS is to. Is to get back to that normalcy. And I feel incredibly energized and enthusiastic because I think that is where the vast majority of Americans actually are.

D (21:35)

So that articulation of that set of.

C (21:37)

Goals to speak into the lives of the 75%, how are you going to do that?

D (21:44)

What's your strategy for success?

B (21:45)

So I think one of the problems is a lot of people have tried to do centrist news. I know this because I am like the target audience for those things. And the reason that they have all failed is it's like trying to force feed spinach down someone's throat, right? It's felt very like tofu oatmeal. It's like centrist news is choosing the midpoint between every single topic. It's felt like an absence of charisma and identity. And I, you know, as nostalgic as people might be for an era in which 30 million Americans every night watch Walter Cronkite and saw him as the voice of truth. And I understand why they're nostalgic for that. We're never, we're not going back to that. So how do you build trust in a moment of unbelievably low trust in all of our public institutions, especially the mainstream press? I don't think it's by pretending like we can go back to having a view from nowhere. I think it's about who's in the room. Right. I think it's about redrawing the line. Of and acceptable American politics and culture. I don't mean that in like a censorious, gatekeeping way. I mean having people that are, that are clearly, identifiably on the center left and on the center right in conversation with each other. And we've been doing so much of this at the Free Press. I was in. Where was I? Chicago last week. I think I've lost all track of time where Dana Lash, former spokeswoman from the nra, was debating Alan Dershowitz on guns. Now, these are people that have wildly different opinions on the second, yet showing that they can have good faith, very passionate, very charismatic disagreement and still like each other. At the end of the day, we, I think it's important. And so it's, for me, it's always about the curation, like, who's in the room. How are you showing centrist news not as the absence of disagreement and the absence of charisma, but explicitly charismatic and disagreeable and yet doing it in good faith. And the other, the other way you do it, you do it is, you know, by, by being really honest with.

C (23:52)

Oh, you know what this is. It's literally, I think, just two seconds to the end. So let's just play the end and then you can go first, your audience.

B (23:58)

Like.

C (24:02)

Okay, yeah, I guess we really need that part. Go ahead, Rob.

D (24:05)

Well, there's a couple things there. Firstly, she says she wants to play to the people in the room. So I guess you already have 75% of the audience. I guess 75% of the United States of America is already turned in, tuned into cbs. And so now you just have to continue giving them programming that they like. But what really captures me more is she's basically talking about, well, if we can limit conversations to fake disagreements between people that we already approve so that people within a narrow lane will stay within that narrow lane, then that's how we're going to get a wider audience. Firstly, you're contradicting yourself of, oh, how am I going to reach this Wider audience, you're proclaiming that they're already tuned in. And two is you are describing a kind of censorship worldview where on CBS we're going to make sure that pre approved characters stage fake fights over things within a narrow lane of what the, what they're allowed to disagree upon.

C (25:00)

Dude, Noam Chomsky had a line, and I'll probably butcher it, but it was a great line where he was like, the way to have, like the way you manufacture consent is that you have a very limited, you know, like a, like a very limited range of allowable topics, but then you allow for fierce debate within those limited. You know what I mean? Like the limited range. I mean, she's saying the exact same thing. In other words, like she's, she's literally just explaining exactly Chomsky's critique of the corporate media. And I mean, look, dude, it's just, I'm sorry, it is wild how delusional these people are, how totally disconnected from what's going on they are. And like, so, you know, so she's asked, Yeah, I mean, it's bright. Like, Rob, like you said, like, she's going, yes, the centrism, which means what? The establishment, it doesn't mean anything else. Like, what is it to be a centrist? Like, I don't know, it's like, like as we've talked about a million times before, radicalism and centrism, they're all, they're not objective terms. They're different depending on what society you live in. Like, if you're against slavery today, that makes you like a centrist, a very moderate position to take. But if you took that position in 1840, you were a radical, that was a radical position to take. So like, it's not the same position. Could go from being centrist to radical depending on what situation, what society, what time period, what culture you're in. So it doesn't really mean anything. All she's saying is, let's defend the establishment here by not letting anybody who's too far out of where I say is out of bounds into the conversation. She's completely removed from the fact that they're already in the conversation. They're much bigger than you. You're not in a position to disallow them. In which I think is why we all see this as a call for censorship that it clearly is. But then her takeaway because, because then the follow up question is like, okay, but how do you do that? And here's the answer, Rob. We unleash the charisma and Magnetism, that is Dana Lash and, and sorry, Ed. Who? Alan Dershowitz. That's. Oh, yes, the pure charisma of Alan Dershowitz will turn this all around here, here's. I got an idea. Let's get Jeffrey Epstein's personal lawyer who's on record getting a massage from an underage girl. But his defense was, I kept my underwear on. Let's get that 70 year old who kept his underwear on as the pure face of, of charisma to bring this thing back together. You know, the thing like, okay, obviously for all types of, you know, for people who love the establishment, people who, who are supporters of the regime, broadly speaking. I know they all, they all mourn the days of Walter Cronkite. She can't, she can't even help herself. But to bring it up like, there used to be a time where, you know, she can say 30 million Americans listen to Walter Cronkite every day and knew that that was the truth. To me, all I hear when you say that is we used to have control of the conversation and we've lost control. Because the fact is that, like, what, what Walter Cronkite told you wasn't often the truth. In fact, a lot of times it was government propaganda. But yes, it is true that previous generations swallowed that without any questions. They're not doing that anymore. And she mentions that we're not going back to that. But why is that? Why is it that we're not going back to? See, it's kind of like when all these guys, like, I like to pick on Mark Levin for this, but I'm sure all of them are guilty in their own way of doing it. But it's like when they talk about why it is that support for Israel has plummeted and they will tell you everything, except for the obvious reason, like everything else, that it's Qatari money, it's misinformation, it's, it's disenfranchised young people, it's foreign influence of some other sort. Everything except Israel just committed a genocide in 4K. We all watched it and we were forced to pay for it. That's actually the reason. That's actually like the core of the whole thing. And if you're not going to deal with that, you're kind of like, you're not even really beginning to think about what the actual. You're not even having the conversation if you're pretending that's not what this is about. Likewise. What, like I said, what does centrism mean? And why is Centrism dead, you know, and none of them will get to, like, they'll talk about everything else, but they won't go, oh, it's because the. It's because centrism. In other words, the establishment, in other words, the regime is Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And they've handed us nothing but disaster. These are the people who bankrupted the United States of America, got us involved in a dozen wars of choice, killed millions of people, have destroyed our currency, have left our borders wide open, have locked the entire country down, and then forced an experimental jab into tens of millions of Americans. They got every single crisis wrong and got caught lying through their teeth about all of them. These are the people who brought you Russiagate. And that the lab leak theory was racist and that Hunter Biden's tape was a Russian disinformation. Laptop was Russian disinformation. And a million lies later, a million crises that they created and then exacerbated and then lied through their fucking teeth to the American people about. And no one believes them anymore. No one believes them. Like, I know I use this example a lot, but it is like. It's like a marriage where you found out that your. Your partner had been having multiple affairs for years and years and years. And then you're sitting there and you're going to, you know, what is the path forward to regaining trust in this marriage? You know, a lot of people long for the days when we used to trust each other, but now we're in these new days, it's like, yeah, but you're not going to mention that part. You're not going to mention why it is that we went from there to here. Like, if you're not even mentioning that, how is there any hope that you could ever put this back together? And I would venture to say, Rob, I will go out on a limb here, and I will say that I do not think the phenomenon of support for Israel collapsing in this country. I do not think the phenomenon of people like Andrew Tate and Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson and all of these guys blowing up. I do not think this is going to be reversed by a passionate debate between Dana Lash and Alan Dershowitz. Rob, I just don't think that's going to be the cure.

D (32:05)

But maybe I'm a pessimist when she says, I'm enthused. You're enthused by the paycheck and that you picked up the Charlie, Kirk, Israel money to go try and make propaganda for them. And good luck. We'll see how long this job lasts. And unless they actually do censor the Internet that there's no other place to get news information anymore. I give you five years before they realize you were a wasted investment and then they try something else.

C (32:31)

Yep. Could not agree more. Look, man, like you guys, you're much like with the, the old model, the Walter Cronkite model that you long for. Your entire control of the conversation. Your, your voice existing at all is a function of censorship. It's a function of control. It's a function of like, in other words, you guys do not have authentic grassroots support. Bari Weiss is still here because like you said, big money swooped in and paid a ridiculously overvalued price. And then she gets put into this position at cbs. She's not here. But say whatever you will about Candace Owens or whatever you will about Nick Fuentes. They are here for one reason only. Because their audience loves them and wants to hear from them. And it's not the same for you guys. That's the fact. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. I've been telling you about their Black Friday survival special. You have to check this out. Ever since COVID I know millions of Americans are like me and they've started buying preparedness supplies, especially emergency food. Now, most people buy emergency food, but there's a big mistake most people make with emergency food supply. They don't have any way to cook it in a real emergency when the power is out or the grid is down. That's why our friends over at my Patriot supply created their Black Friday survival special. It comes with a 4 week food supply plus $150 worth of free gifts, including everything you need to prepare your emergency meals, like a cook stove, fuel, a fire starter, plus a water purifier, a bugout bag, and more. It's the complete survival kit that your family needs to ride out natural disasters, civ, rest, or anything worse. It also makes a great Christmas gift and it is only available through Black Friday. So head over to my Patriotsupply.com problem to check out everything that's included. With all the uncertainty in this world, we simply can't afford to be unprepared once more. Go to my patriotsupply.com problem and get prepared today. All right, let's get back into the show. All right, Rob, we got a few other topics that we got to get to here. Let's, let's real quick, let's, let's discuss Marjorie Taylor Greene because this was a pretty interesting development. That is, I would go out on a limb and say there is obviously more to this story than we're being told. On the face of it, it just doesn't make sense. Obviously, Marjorie Taylor Greene had, well, she had really drawn some criticism from Donald Trump. She's been very critical of a lot of the failures of the administration. Things that were all in line with being a MAGA American. First, the lady that she always was, it's not, you know, people are acting like she had some huge like, like change. But I think she's essentially been the same lady who maybe woke up a little bit more about some details. But, you know, she was very opposed to funding Israel's destruction of, of Gaza. She was opposed to the American strikes on Iran. And then she was a real thorn in the president's side about the Epstein bell and was one of the, the people with Thomas Mass, Thomas Massie and Rokahan and really championing the thing. So we know that and, and Rob, add any other information if you feel like I'm leaving something out, but we know that while the, while the press was on for this bill, this, this Epstein, you know, the release, the Epstein files bill. So Donald Trump was adamantly opposed to this bill. He brings Marjorie Taylor Greene to the White House. They meet in the Situation Room, which seems like not the place that this meeting would take place. They meet in this, in the Situation Room. They have a long meeting. She comes out, still supports the bill. He ends up flipping and supports the bill, signs it into law. So she has won. And then immediately after she wins, she resigns her seat and says essentially that she doesn't want, she can't deal with like being attacked by Donald Trump or something like that anymore. I don't know. This is very bizarre. It's not too often that a congressman really goes to war with the president of their own political party. It's even rarer that they go to war on an issue and then win. And it's much rarer than that that they go to war on an issue, win and then resign in victory. What do you make of this?

D (37:27)

They had something on her. I don't know what they had on her, but she was, she put up a valiant fight and she seemed to have been an honest actor. And obviously Trump didn't like her and somebody sat down with her and made the right threat that she's like, all right, I'M done with this. Can't prove it. I mean, but that's. That's the only read I have. Was. She was. She was a pusher and a fighter, and that's why she fought on these issues. And she was not just toeing the party line. And then she turned around from a valiant fight and just went, all right, I'm resigning. And I don't believe that just Donald Trump not liking her finally got to her where she was like, you know what? I don't want to do this anymore. She just doesn't strike me like that personality.

C (38:08)

Yeah, Yeah. I. Yeah. I mean, it does seem. It seemed very strange because the official reasoning she gave was almost kind of like it did seem like, well, I'm just a girl. Like, I can't be involved in a fight. But you're like, that is the opposite of everything I've ever seen out of Marjorie Taylor Greene. Like, what I thought that was. First of all, I was never convinced you were a girl. Second of all, you are clearly a fighter. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, guys. But she's. But you know what I'm saying, Like, she just. It didn't seem right that she was the chick who's now, what, like, a little shy for the big stage? That seems strange. Yeah, it does.

D (38:43)

Like, the Snooki of Congress, she was there for a fight. Like, that's. If we were cast in the show of the Real Housewives of Congress, we're like, all right, we need the spicy lady who's going to stir up some shit and call everyone out on their bullshit. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

C (38:56)

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, again, like you, I kind of have the same type of, like, inclination or speculation, but there is something about Marjorie Taylor Greene that is. I don't know, there's something kind of sad about it. You know, like, here's somebody who was a hardcore supporter of Donald Trump's from the very beginning, and really all she wanted was him to keep being what he had run on and what this whole thing was supposed to be about. And instead he decides he's going to side with all the Never Trumpers and the Israel lobby. And she was like, hey, that's bullshit, man. Like, we're supposed to be America first. And then to see her get essentially what feels like railroaded out of D.C. does just. It seems wrong. And I will tell you, it just. Not that this obviously was already my view, but it just makes Thomas Massie's reelection of Congress that much more important, you know, because otherwise, like, all the people who stood against him end up paying a price for it.

D (39:52)

It's not good for freedom when every time there's opposition, the deep state seems to take them out. And so in this case, on this particular issue, the Epstein, she was legitimately representing the American people, and the deep state doesn't want that, and she had to go. With that said, I do think she made a fortune while she was in Congress. I think 20 million in stock trades or something. So they might have even. That might even have been the squeeze of. Or you're going to get the Nancy Pelosi treatment and you've got a longer career coming. And now she's retiring with her 20 million in addition to congressional pensions. So I guess she made out all right personally. But I think for us as fans of freedom and like it, whenever once a while you got an independent individual who's going to actually fight for a cause, it's not good when they seem to get pushed out of the job.

C (40:41)

Yeah, it's hard to argue with that. It is. Yeah, it's a real. Yeah, it's a bad. It's a bad situation when the. When the good guys constantly get punished and the bad guys constantly get rewarded. And those incentives are a real problem here. Let's go. Let's go to this video that I sent over, which was another video of who the same woman we had played yesterday. It's Sarah Hurwitz, who is a Obama speechwriter. She was on, again, a podcast recently, which I find. God, I find it so. It is so. I cannot explain how gratifying it is that all of these people have to go to podcasts now to get, like, their thing out, and then they just have to do a podcast with way less of an audience than the rest of us who are calling their shit out for it. But it really is. It. Look, it. It's. It's on a similar theme to the Bari Weiss thing that really speaks to just, like, how disconnected these people are, how much they are starting with their conclusion that they're right and then working back from there. Like, obviously we're right. That's a given. So how do we maintain our control, you know, and, like, never seem to, like, think to themselves, or maybe we're wrong about this. But it is interesting. She gets really into her defense of Israel here, and I thought there was something really, like, important about this to break down. So let's play a little bit of this clip, and then me and you will discuss. You have this chapter in the book called My Search for Israel's Original sin. So can you talk a little bit about what. What is Israel's original sin and your. And. And why you wanted to search for it.

A (42:28)

So, you know, my first book, I, I was talking to a Jewish communal leader, telling her about the chapters on ethics and God and Shabbat, on and on. And she looked at me and she said, uh huh. And the chapter on Israel. And I had this long thing about leaning on and on. It's distracting. Lala. And she looked at me and she goes, well, that's a cop out. And the truth is it was, you know, I felt a lot of anxiety about Israel. It seems so complicated, and I hate to say this now, but I think on some deep level I had a feeling that there was something probably fundamentally problematic about Israel's founding in existence. That if I did enough research, I would discover and I would not be able to defend and, and that you.

C (43:07)

Would be part of the general agreement.

A (43:09)

Exactly like I was, actually. Which is just. I'm so embarrassed by this now. It is such a painful thing to admit.

C (43:15)

Sarah. This is what we're dealing with. I hear this all the time. So you're just saying it out loud for people who otherwise just say it quietly or in small groups.

A (43:26)

As I did the research, I was like, you know what Israel is, Dan? Okay, may say something shocking and wild. Brace yourself. It's a country. It's a country. It was founded like so many other countries in the mid 20th century. Countries founded in war, partition, bloodshed. I'm sorry, it's not pretty. I really wish it had, you know, come about in unicorns and moonbeams. That would have been beautiful. A lot of nation creation came about.

C (43:54)

Because I just, I don't know why, Rob, but you could probably see already what I find so fascinating about this because there is this weird pivot, like in the middle here, where it's like, okay, you started by saying one thing, now you're saying a completely different thing. Like, she started by going like, look, I was kind of intimidated to even look into Israel because I knew I was going to find some things that I just couldn't justify that were going to be horrible. And I don't want to find that. And I'm embarrassed to admit now, you know, that that was such a cop out and that that actually isn't true. And here's what I found, Rob. Israel's a country just like every other country. Yes. Was there partition and bloodshed and, and violence and all of these things?

D (44:38)

Sure.

C (44:38)

But like, that's a country that's how countries are founded. And there's. I. I guess here's the big disconnect between that, right? Like, that part. I. I kind of agree with the latter part of that. But, like, that is true. Like, listen, man, ethnic cleansing campaigns and. And. And terrorism and. And massacres and, you know, all types of bloodshed is how a whole lot of countries were founded. I guess the difference is that nobody else is defending that. Does that make sense? Like, what? You know, it's like, okay, everybody. I think pretty much everybody kind of knows, like, if you were to say the original sin of America, you'd immediately go, okay, you're either talking about the Native Americans or the black slaves, right? Like, one of those two things are the originals. Like, we all kind of know that, like, there were Native Americans in America before Europeans got here. And we also know that a lot of those Native Americans met a very unfortunate fate. Nobody's exactly defending that today. You're going, yeah, look, this was something we kind of did wrong. We can admit that we give Native Americans reservations and things like that. We give them citizenship. We get, you know, okay, is it perfect? No, it's certainly not. Can we really justify, like, destroying their way of life? No, none of us really are trying to do that. Can we justify enslaving people? No, we recognize that that was wrong. And so there doesn't have to be this, like, there's like, oh, I thought maybe there'd be this original sin. Turns out there's not. They're just like every other country. It's like, well, no, lots of other countries have original sins. The point is that we largely can admit that today and accept that, like, yeah, that did happen, and that was wrong.

D (46:31)

Stated a little bit differently. Let's say tomorrow morning I decided to pull a Peter Griffin, and I took my samurai sword out of my apartment, and I slaughtered all my neighbors in my building. I recruited the other males in the building, and we took to the streets, and I decided, I'm taking over Stanford and I'm calling it Robville, and it's a new country. Is this lady gonna go on the news and be like, well, that's the way countries are founded. The guy wants to make a new country. And so he decided to slaughter all of his neighbors and then threaten the other young males into working with him and give them spoils of war. And, you know, countries are made all the time. We have a whole history of a universe of new countries being created, and it's his right to go create a country. Yo, you're Describing the worst thing ever. And so now you might want to turn around and go, all right, listen, a lot of countries had a terrible founding, but they're here and they exist. And it might be bad the way that they were created, but it has a right to exist because it's now here as an entity. And even that's fine. But now you got one really big distinction. They're still doing the bad thing, which makes it a big difference.

C (47:32)

Right?

D (47:33)

It's one thing if you go, 100 years ago, they did something terrible, but now they're there and they've been living on the land for a hundred years. And so that's what a country is. And so we're not gonna take away the country for them, but when they're still killing the neighbors to, I guess, try and establish the country, the idea that you can't criticize that and go, well, it's amoral. It's no different than if I ran out with the sword and I. Oh, country foundations. Listen, you're not allowed to slaughter and murder people, but if you're looking to found a new country, no one's gonna get in your way. Then you can kill whoever you'd like.

C (48:04)

Well, right. I mean, look, and I've said this so many times before, when, when it comes to, like, the founding of Israel. Look, I mean, there's. Again, I don't think there's even a debate about this. The. The. Again, it's. It always gets a little confusing because you have the tendency to say the Israelis when I'm talking about, like, 1944, 1945, 1946. But technically these aren't Israelis, right? Because Israel isn't created till 48. So the. The pre. Israelis, the Zionist settlers, the Zionist militia groups, the Ergon, the Stern Gang, the Haganah, they were terrorist organizations that committed multiple acts of terrorism in order and express. Expressly said this explicitly said this, that in order to drive the British out, they embraced terrorism to drive out an occupying force, which just the irony of that can never be lost. But, okay, so they embraced terrorism. Then they committed multiple massacres, and there was an ethnic cleansing of about 750,000 Palestinians out of what is now Israel proper and into what is today considered the occupied territories, Palestine, as well as surrounding countries. You know, there's a bunch in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon, and then a bunch in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and in Gaza. Okay, now are you denying that that happened, or are you not denying that that happened?

A (49:32)

Right?

C (49:32)

Like, that's like first number one, because it first sounds like you're going, there was no original sin. Then you're going, it's a country just like other countries. She yada, yada, yada's partition and all of these things, right? What we're talking about is massacres, terrorism and ethnic cleansing. That that's what happened. And this is historically objective. So she's yada, yada, yada ing over this part to go, ah, they're just like every other country. Now. There is some truth to that, Rob. There is some truth that it's like, hey, look, these bad things happened in the past. But the thing that I think almost every person, you know, like I like to say everyone on this side of the Enlightenment kind of agrees is, okay, number one, you don't yada yada over that. You don't go like, yeah, there was slavery, whatever. Lots of people had slavery. Let's move on. It's like, no, there was slavery, and that was horrible. Okay? Like, you can just acknowledge that. But number two, of course, to your point, like I've always said, yeah, we could have gotten past that. In fact, I would say we'd be long past that if that's where it ended. The problem really comes in 67, you know, the problem comes in 67 when Israel occupies Gaza and the west bank and they've occupied them ever since. That's the thing that makes it different. Like, it would be, I'm sorry, as everybody here could, I think, imagine, right? We recognize that atrocities were committed against the Native Americans. We also probably recognize that, like, Rob, I'd say if you, if you were reading about, let's say, a battle between, like, some Native American tribes and some Americans in 1820, you feel a little bit differently about that than you do if, like, some Native Americans today in 2025, just went out and started killing some people. You know what I mean? Like, it's a little like, well, the fight was still going on back then. There was violent resistance. But, like, what happened is that we ended up giving them citizenship, giving them reservations, giving them all of these things. They, they can right now, a Native American person alive today can, at least in theory, participate in society in the same way that any of us can. But let's say we hadn't given them that. And let's say we didn't let them off the reservations. Let's say we put them on the reservations, kept them without citizenship. And then, by the way, Rob, we also, let's add in on this. When we were met with violent resistance, we'd go in there and just mow the place down, like every couple years, just kill a whole bunch of them. Now in that situation, if someone were to go, you know, I was looking for this original sin in America, and it's like, yeah, they took land from the Native Americans, but like, so did lots of other countries. Don't you see how disingenuous that starts to sound now? That's, that's Israel. Oh, and by the way, let me also add in, we can't afford to do it by ourselves and we have to get other countries to pay for us to oppress the Native Americans here. Let's keep playing.

A (52:32)

Out in the mid 20th century, in the wake of World Wars I and 2, you know, countries were partitioned, divided up, and in ways that were, I think, problematic in many ways. I'm not saying this is wonderful and great, but I think what struck me is that so often I think we educate our young people to think that Israel is exceptional. It's unlike any other nation, but it's actually completely unexceptional in its founding. And I think we have done a huge disservice to our young people when we have failed to educate them about how Israel is a country and we have failed to normalize Israel for our young people. We have failed to say, like, here's a bunch of really unpleasant facts about how Israel was founded. And also those same facts apply to these other, many, many countries. Let's go through those as well. You know, I wish every young person could understand that. Yeah, there's some really tough, hard stuff in Israel's founding, as there was in the founding of many other countries at the time. And I think our tendency to exceptionalize Israel because we want our young people to fall in love with really sets them up for failure once they hit college and they hear their first bad fact and they're like stunned. They can't get over it and they kind of freak out and throw out the whole thing because they're immature. That's what 18 year olds do. They just kind of flip out and there's plenty of support for.

C (53:46)

All right, so here's stated differently. We lie through our teeth and propagandize you that Israel's perfect. And then people come into contact with the other side of that story and they find out that you guys have been lying through your fucking teeth. Like that's another way of saying the same thing. By the way, do you think, and I think this is something that really drives people crazy, particularly about Jews who defend Israel in this manner. And I think if you wanna, if you wanna look to why there is such a, what they call a rise in anti Semitism, Rob, I think this is a major contributing factor. Okay, yeah. This woman is an Obama speechwriter. She's a liberal Jew. Ostensibly. In any other field, she would be committed to equal rights. She would be against genocide, she would be against ethnic cleansing. However, she carves out this one area where like, my point is the double standard is obvious. Right. Do you think for a second if this woman was talking about slavery or Jim Crow or something like that, that she would go, she would say things like, yeah, look, that was not great. And yeah, you know, a lot of people, I guess maybe they had this expectation that America was perfect. And yeah, look, there's non perfect stuff and they're not great, but we're, there's a lot of countries, you know, and a lot of countries have had racism and have had met. Would she ever, would she ever talk about America that way? Would you talk about any other country? Would you talk about any other like, horrific chapter in human history with, with such kid gloves and always advocating on the, you know, like. And I just think that this double standard is like too obvious now to people. First of all, again, if you really want to play this game, then, then fine, but there's no way you come out of it winning. I mean, if you want to say, hey, look, we've been educating kids that Israel is exceptional and they're perfect and they're the most moral country in the world, when in fact they're a country and that comes with all the messy business of being a country. Like, okay, all right, fine. Now again, you have to ignore a whole lot of other stuff like occupying your neighbors and keeping them stateless, citizenless people for 60 years. Actually, isn't that normal? There's not too many countries you could point to. There's none who we give financial aid to who do that. Like what? I don't know. Name me the example. What other Western society do we, you know, like, that also gets to claim we're a democracy and we're like, that's actually not that normal. Israel has, in the last two years, Israel has destroyed Gaza, they have repeatedly attacked the west bank, they have bombed Lebanon and Yemen and Syria and Iran. I feel like I'm missing one. But okay, that's like, like it's actually not that normal for a country to have attacked six or seven of its neighbors in the last couple years. But I guess even more fundamental than that is once you're saying Israel's a Normal country. Well, then what obviously follows, Rob? Well, then how come we don't treat them like a normal country? It's not. It's not normal to have your politicians worship another country above their own. It's not normal for you to give another country more foreign aid than any other country's ever received. It's not normal for the president of the United States to openly admit that his biggest donors are more loyal to Israel than they are to the United States of America. None of that is normal. So, like, I think if you want the defense of Israel to be like, hey, they're just a normal country, you got two major problems. Number one, they're not. And number two, we damn sure don't treat them like a normal country. You know, I'm fine. I'm fine with that being, like, the compromise position. Let's treat Israel like a normal country. But then they got to start acting normal, and we got to treat them like a normal country. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Kalshee. New York City's got a new mayor, but there's still a lot to bet on. What happens next is what keeps people up at night. And what's got Kelsey's live markets absolutely on fire right now. You can trade on a whole bunch of things. Will the city council kill the mayor's first budget? Will migrant hotel contracts get extended past March 31? There's a whole bunch of stuff on Kelsey. I'm sure a lot of you guys have heard on it. If you haven't heard of Kelsey already, it's a regulated market. It's cash settled, and it pays out the second the outcome is official. You can download the app or just go to Cali.com, fund your account, and start trading on the only poll that costs you money to be wrong and pays you money to be right. Place your wager and make sure you use our promo code. Problem. Move on from betting on sports and keep your eyes on real life with kalshee.com. all right, let's get back into the show.

D (58:55)

Obama somewhere right now smoking a cigarette, having just got plowed out by Big Mike going, it sounded better when I said it.

C (59:06)

Yeah.

D (59:08)

He's like, why is. He's like, why is my name affiliated with this loser?

C (59:13)

Well, I just think there's, like, a lot. You know, it's true with the Barry Weiss thing, too. It's like these. These people come at this conversation with this. Like, there is this air of superiority where they have Kind of like they have appointed themselves as the adult in the room to hurt all of the children. And to let you know, here's the problem with where the kids are, here's what they need to learn, here's what they need to consider. Where in reality, you guys are the ones with glaring holes in your logic. Like, that entire rant was incoherent. It started at one place, went to a complete contradiction, and then missed the entire point. And there is something that I think a lot, by the way. This is something that a lot of Jewish Zionists are guilty of doing, where they. They immediately. It's almost like it does seem to be this, like, superiority, where they say, my role is to get in here and be the educator. I'm here to reel this thing back in. How about this? How about this radical idea? You're just an equal with all the people you're talking about. And if you believe that your ideas are correct and others are incorrect, then you have to roll up your sleeves, get into the conversation, take on the arguments that the opposing side is making, and defeat them. The thing is, you all know you can't do that. Like, on some very fundamental level, you know that you. You cannot do that. And that's why instead, you have to do this. This constant level of cope and endless, you know, nonsense. All right, we only have a few minutes left. Let's talk Mamdani at the White House. Rob, this was. I don't know. I don't even know what. What to say about this. You can go first. Rob, what are your thoughts on Mamdani having what seemed to be a very friendly meeting and then press conference with Donald Trump?

D (61:24)

Mr. Smith. It pissed me all the way off, because if there's one thing we need, it's for Mandani to fail spectacularly. You said it best on the show. To whatever extent he actually implements his socialist policies, that's the extent by which you will see failures. And the more he implements, the more failures that you'll see. And we need to educate the general public to, if this is what you want, this is what you're gonna get. And so for Donald Trump to give it any sort of an endorsement in any way or to try and buddy up if there's ever been a thing to go, I want nothing to do with this. It's gonna fail spectacularly, and you guys are gonna learn a harsh lesson. This was the opportunity for it. But you know, Donald Trump, he's a democratic socialist himself, and he's like, I've got an ally Here I've got another person who enjoys central planning. Let's be friends. And so he invites him into the Oval Office and he wishes him well. And I couldn't. I can't think of a worse strategy for the Republicans than embracing this guy or any of what he stands for.

C (62:23)

Yeah, it's. I mean, look, Donald Trump had the Amir of Al Qaeda at the White House earlier this year, or just, I think, a few weeks ago. So it's not the worst person he's had at the White House. And I wish that other one generated more outrage. But, yeah, it's. There's something about it, too, that just shows you how phony the whole thing is. You know, it's like all the. For all the. The talk of, you know, how. I mean, according to Mom Donnie, I think Donald Trump is a fascist who's facilitating a genocide over the last two years. But he's quite happy to get the opportunity to go talk to him.

D (63:05)

I saw him in a later interview, and they asked him about that again. He goes, I still stand by everything I said. And it's like, well, then you're a big joke. You just met with the guy and you were cool with him. So obviously you're either just lying or none of this is like, what is this big joke to you that you just say things that are completely not true, but then stand by them and don't operate in line with what you're saying?

C (63:28)

Yeah, well, I think there is something about, particularly with, like, with big government and socialism in general, it's like, there's always, whether intentionally or unintentionally, there's always a huge con game that's going on because essentially you're. You're running a campaign. You're promising on a bunch of stuff. You're promising a bunch of stuff that the government can't possibly deliver on. You know, just like you're promising that the government's going to make everybody's life better, and it can't possibly deliver on these promises, never has and it never will. And so you go in the. The first phase is promising the world. And that phase is easy, you know, like, that. That's. It's real easy to say, I'm going to make everything free and I'm. And you get to, like, call out everybody else for their corruption while you brag about how you're going to make everything else free. But then there's the second part, which is delivering, and that part is much more difficult. And so you watch. You're watching Mom Donnie trans You know, transition into the latter state. And it's just funny to me that it starts with a big hug and a kiss to Donald Trump. I would say for anybody who wants to see the country go in a positive direction, Donald Trump needs to just stay out of New York City's business. Don't be seen as putting your, your finger on the scale at all. Let him get done what he can get done and let the result be what the result is at this point. What else can you do? They voted for the guy. Obviously the establishment made it much easier to vote for the guy by running such a terrible guy against him, but he won. And at this point, you know, it's hard, it's. It's hard to say because I don't want to see my city degraded any more than it's already been. But at the same time, like, you do feel like on some level, like, all right, dude, like, give them free buses and then see, see how much you love those free buses which your, your taxes are going to go up for, which will be real. And oh, let me make a wild prediction. They'll be worse than before. Like, you know, so like to, at some point you're like, you do have to have some of this. Like, you have to get some of it and see how bad it is. Otherwise, what, what positive can come out of this? Last word to you, Rob, and then let's wrap up.

D (65:57)

That's it, man. We'll be back tomorrow, I think. Or Thursday.

C (66:00)

Yep, tomorrow. Brand new episode tomorrow. See you then. Thanks for watching. Peace.

B (66:19)

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