C (6:11)

Well, I agree 100% with what you said, but that's all from like a public optic standpoint. Behind the scenes there is kind of the politicking of who's your winning coalition. And if you want to go with Massey's earlier, what he said earlier, which is I don't think Donald Trump was actually involved in this, but I do think he's protecting some friends. So it could be that Donald Trump did everything he could to protect whoever he was looking to protect. And now Thomas Massie, big victory here, stuck with it. Looks great, lot of public support. So if you want to talk about Donald Trump fumbling the ball for Thomas Massie to pick it up and go, no, we're not dropping this and I will do everything in my pressure to, in my power to keep the pressure on you that we're moving forward with actually releasing all this stuff, so good on Thomas Massie pushed it so far that Congress had to vote on it. And no, except for one person, I don't even know what it was. I'm going to guess it was Johnson, but one person voted against it. Everyone else voted for it.

B (7:11)

And no, I think I Think Johnson voted for it. I believe I have to double check that, but I think he did. I think after Trump said he wanted him to, Johnson was like, all right, what can I do here now? But, no, you're right. A huge, huge win for Thomas Massie. And I thought it was a great example, you know, because it did. It seemed to me that, you know, I don't know if you saw when Thomas Massie straight up said he made this, like, call to action to his fellow congressman, and he goes, hey, to all my Republicans out there, like, Donald Trump's the president for three more years. He's not here after that. And so he might save you in your midterm election right now in a red district, but he won't even be able to help you in five, six years. And you're going to be on record having protected pedophiles. And I do think there was something about that, that it seemed to move the needle. It seemed like it was shortly after that that Trump kind of caved in. A lot of the Republicans started caving. And it's, you know, if that's the, the case, that that did move the needle, it does kind of like, show you how much you can kind of bully other politicians with something like this. I mean, I think it's like when you said, what a win for Thomas Massie. Yeah. How would it even be a loss even if the files don't reveal anything? Okay. He was trying to get a pedophile files released. Like what? You know, he was trying to get down to the bottom of it. And if they do release anything of value, then he clear that it's a huge, huge victory that you can never take away from him. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cove Pure. You may have seen this. Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in their drinking water. Now, ask yourself, why are they doing a massive U turn on a chemical that's been pumped into our water for over 80 years? Well, I don't know, but if you're anything like me, you'd rather not have your family and your children drinking that stuff. So you got to check out Cove Pure if you don't already know what it is. It's an awesome countertop water purifier, but it's so much more than that. It's an awesome countertop water purifier. So you know that the water you and your family, your kids, your parents are drinking doesn't have any of that stuff in it that you don't want to. It's lab certified to remove up to 99.9% of all containments. Pretty much anything that isn't water, fluoride, lead, PAs, fertilizer, run off, it all gets removed. So if you're looking for a gift that's good for your loved ones and one that they'll actually use, I highly recommend the COVID Pure. And because they've partnered with the show, they're giving you guys a special $250 Black Friday discount with my link. COVP Pure.com problem. That's C O V P U R E dot com problem to get $250 off. Hurry up before this sale ends. COVPure.com problem for $250 off. All right, let's get back into the show. But it does just, it does just remind you, like almost in a way, like, dude, if Thomas Massie, if, if a, a congressman from Kentucky who's at war with the president who's in his own political party, if he can move the needle with Congress just by, like, you know, rhetorically move the needle with them, just imagine what Donald Trump could have done over the last year, you know, like, for all over all the talk of all this shit about how like, border funding was, was held hostage with all the other spending. What. Donald Trump couldn't have just come in and said, congress, you get me a standalone border bill right now. And any Republican who doesn't vote for that is against border security. They could have just made them do all. He could have cut $2 trillion out of the federal budget just by saying, hey, guys, that's it. We're, we're balancing, we're getting toward a balanced budget here. Cut. We're cut. Give me a budget with 2 trillion missing and I will sign it. And forced him to. But of course, he, you know, doesn't have the desire or the wherewithal to do any of that.

C (11:10)

We can speculate on the reasons, but Donald Trump was uninterested in actually exposing the Epstein storyline. Now that could be because the CIA gave him a talking to. The intelligence was so valuable, his name's casually in there enough times that he thinks it just brings bad press for him. Whatever the reason is, Donald Trump was not actually interested in exposing this story or potentially cleaning up the de. The deep state. Um, maybe it was to protect Israel. We can speculate on the reasons. All I'm saying is if you wanted to muck crack this story and you were Donald Trump, there were a lot of avenues to do so. And he was clearly really hoping that this would go away.

B (11:46)

Yeah, that's right. That's right. And we can speculate about that, as you said. And look, Thomas Massie, I think at least, I mean, we could ask him, but I think at least the way I took it was that he also was speculating just in the most good faith way about Donald Trump. Like, he didn't say he has any reason to believe that or he didn't point to any reason. He just said, I don't think Donald Trump was actually like diddling little girls or anything on the thing. I just think that, like, he's got all these rich people that, that, you know, around him who would all be implicated and the pressure was put on him. I do. I, I would say, and I think me and you, you know, we talked about this at the time. Again, this is all speculating, but like, there was something about the energy at which Donald Trump seemed almost flustered with the Epstein thing that like, he did, like, it was, it was such a thing where they're just like, we're going to release this file, everything on this file. We're going to show you exactly what it is. What file? What? No, there was no file. That was a Democrat hoax. What are you, you know, like, it was like this like, very weird thing. And now at first, I think my inclination was kind of to speculate the way Thomas Massie was like, because you always. Because I do have a thing. Despite how some people might mischaracterize us. We're, we're actually really not kooks, me and you. Like, we don't really jump to conspiracies. You always kind of in your mind, you're like, well, if there's a less salac answer here, let's, let's go with that first. You know what I mean? Like, okay, it doesn't mean. I will say with some of the emails that have been released, and I'm not just talking about the bubba one, because who the hell knows? We can hear from, we will hear from Jeffrey Epstein's brother in a few moments here, but particularly, I mean, maybe. And look, part of this is because I'm not like the world's greatest expert on the Jeffrey Epstein story. Like, as I've talked about on the show before, I listen to, like, I listen to Daryl Cooper's podcast on the Martyr Maid show about it. I listened to his podcast with Tucker. I've read probably like a dozen or two dozen articles about it. But, like, that's it. That's really not like, it's not like it is a story that I know super, super well. And so I guess I really did not realize how connected and how late in the game Jeffrey Epstein was still so connected in the Trump circle. Like, just seeing a lot of the emails, like, oh, I didn't realize that, like, oh, this is in 2018. He's talking about meeting with. With Bannon and what, you know, other. It was like, oh, Trump was in the White House already. There's many years after Jeffrey Epstein was popped, you know what I mean? And convicted for. For soliciting prostitutes, underage prostitution. So, like, I, I guess it just not even saying, say the most salacious thing there, not not making any claims. It. It just does seem like, oh, it seemed a lot more likely that there's stuff that's embarrassing for Trump. I mean, look, at the very least to be like, if it comes out that you actually were this involved with a guy who was running a sex trafficking ring and you knew, I mean, it was known at this point. This was like not, not back in the day. We're like, oh, I thought he was just a philanthroper or like an investment banker. I didn't realize he was doing all this, like, know. You realize it's. This has been out. There's court documents about it. For him to be that closely involved is at. At the very least, it looks horrible. And so it just, it. I don't know. It's not. Not to say that that is the motivation or that that's the only motivation, but it certainly seems like a very plausible one. No.

C (15:28)

Yeah. That there was just a casual enough tie in. Even if it. I went as far back as when they were just hanging out and Donald Trump was being a more casual creep, where they both figured out the grift that if you were modeling adjacent, you could meet very attractive women. And then Jeffrey Epstein took the drug a little bit too far and they had to split off. I'm saying even if. That if the tie is just that casual, it doesn't look great in the news. And it seems like, you know, Donald Trump had to throw Epstein out of Mar? A Lago for having. I think he actually recruited Marjorie, the lady who Guthrey, who recently passed away, I think was the victim that had been taken from Mar? A Lago. So Trump kind of knew what was going on at a minimum. I'm just saying the most favorable. And that was one of the confirmations of the recent emails, was the line by Epstein that Trump knew.

B (16:24)

Yeah, that's pretty damning. And it is having him say that, seeing how closely connected they kind of were. You know, it's not just whatever the impression which, like, what Trump almost tried to make, it's like, yeah, there's some videos of us back in the day at the same party. And like, yeah, I said one time on tape that he really likes the girls young. Like, okay, but no, now this is like years after the conviction, he's still saying like, yeah, Trump knew this whole. It just makes it very believable that probably he did. But then the other thing that's really blown wide open on this, and this is before anything having to do with Thomas Massie, this was the drop sites great reporting that Ryan Grimm broke a few weeks ago. But it is like, you really can't like, overstate how big a deal that was because essentially up until those recent email leaks that Ryan Grimm published, the. The evidence that same he had connections to Israeli intelligence or something like that was always circumstantial. Now it was overwhelming circumstantial evidence that left you in a position where you were like, well, dude, what the hell? I mean, you know, like, okay, like, you've got. Look, let's just look at it. Okay? You've got a Jewish guy who ends up like, unexplainably rising up the ranks at Bear Stearns and getting right up to the very, very top of finance and managing finances for, like, the powerful people. He links up with the daughter of a massage spy and then starts running like a, a sex trafficking ring where he has the Prime Minister of Israel popping over to his part apartment on a regular basis and staying there for extended periods of time. And okay, so like, even, even say just that and there's more to it. But like, even just that, you go like, oh, like the daughter of a mo spy and you're friends with the Israeli Prime Minister. Like, there's this connect. But so it was, it was like, you know, and I think you could say that, like, maybe some of us got a little out over our skis. Like, I know there was one time I sat on a podcast where I was like, we know Epstein was Mossad. And then I said later, I was like, okay, I guess maybe like, I overstated that a bit. But it did seem like. But now we've got actual emails of him trying to connect foreign diplomats with Mossad agents, working with them on how to approach Mossad. Like, now the connection, there's actual tangible, hard evidence for this. And so I guess when you say Trump knew now, like, the question becomes like, yeah, but what did he know exactly? Like, what are we saying you knew here Now? You know, I don't know that it's, that it's right to say that Epstein was Mossad. You know, I've always said, as I, aside from that time when I did kind of get over my skis there a bit. Like, I think if, if this operation was what it seems to be, then yeah, no, like they would not use someone who was like a W9 employee. You know what I mean?

C (19:38)

Like, yes, you wouldn't be W9.

B (19:41)

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. W9 is the one. I'm saying it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be an employee. No, I'm saying it wouldn't be an employee. It wouldn't even be an independ contractor. It would be a plausible deniability. What are you talking about? This guy doesn't work for a Mossad, but is actually carrying out their issue, you know, their, their, their, their ops. But also, I would just say, keep in mind, you know, like, where exactly Mossad begins in the CIA ends isn't so clear. What exactly is America and what is Israel and what? Like, like it's all a little bit murky in a way. You know, like I, I, it's like when I was arguing with Coleman Hughes and he was like, arguing that, well, Sharon was the Prime Minister at the time of the war in Iraq and he had initially said he preferred that we attack Iran, so Israel had nothing to do with it. You're like, okay, well, first of all, he changed his mind shortly after that. But even if that were true, it's like, okay, fine, so Israel had nothing to do with it, except for the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu, the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history, testified before Congress that we should fight the war in Iraq. And he also wrote an op ed in the Wall Street Journal saying we should fight the war in Iraq. And Ehud Barak wrote an op ed in the New York Times saying we should overthrow Saddam Hussein and fight the war in Iraq. And then Sharon Peres wrote an op ed in the Washington Post saying that we should fight the war in Iraq. And then the Israel lobby spent the entire year of 2002 lobbying for the war in Iraq. So, like, it's not, not that. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not. Yes, it's true that in some strict sense you could go, well, that's not exactly the government of Israel. And then part of that's kind of the like Americans, but also at the same time, there's clearly this deep involvement between the two. Like, it's not just what. And so at the very least, it's, I think, just undeniably proven now that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Mossad. And that is, like, you just kind of can't overstate what a big deal that is. This was when Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and me all said this at Charlie Kirk's event. This was the controversy of American politics for that month. You know, like, this was like the. And. And people were absolutely skewered over that. You know, like the. The entire. All the Zionists all said that. Like, this is just blatant anti Semitism to. To make an accusation like this. Well, then the proof comes out. Any retractions? You know, no, it doesn't matter. Anyone apologizing to Megyn Kelly? Yeah. Well, turns out your hunch was kind of right. I don't know. So. So anyway, I guess, you know, look, I'm not trying to put together pieces here, and I'm open that don't fit, and I'm open to other, you know, possibilities. But if you look at this and you go, wait, so if. Let's just say, hypothetically, Donald Trump knew, what does new mean? Does new mean that he knew that there were underage girls? Does new mean he knew that this was like an op to compromise people? Or does it mean that he knew that this dude was essentially an agent of a foreign government? And if that's the case, it does just kind of shine a whole new light on the fact that Donald Trump is the most pro Zionist president in the history of the country. Like it. Once you make that. I'm sorry, that's not like, that crazy of a leap to go. You find out this guy's connected to Mossad, you find out this guy's also connected to Donald Trump. It sure seems like a goddamn blackmail operation that he was running. Donald Trump has been spending enormous political capital to try to squash this story, to try to silence it, and he's the most pro Israel administration in history. Oh, those are some interesting facts to all have up on the board and see how they fit together at the very least. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Proton Drive. If you're tired of big tech snooping through your files, switch to Proton Drive. Today, it's end to end. Encrypted cloud storage, trusted by over 100 million people worldwide. So only you can access your photos, work and Personal files. It's free to sign up and supports our show when you do. So Proton has a bunch of different tools and Proton drive is great. It does all the same stuff that your drive does. You're just going to be more protected. Check them out today. So right now go to Proton me Dave Smith. That's Proton me slash Dave Smith. All right, let's get back into the show.

C (24:13)

I think those are all fair dots to lay out. I'm still of the outlook of it's unclear what Donald Trump's looks to gain from hiding the Epstein story and it could be as simple as the CIA and he doesn't want to get testy with that power structure.

B (24:32)

Yeah, that listen, that is totally possible. So just to be clear, like I am laying out those dots but like, yeah, that might be another way that they fit together. It might simply be that Donald Trump is just like, yo, I can't like I, there's, there's only so many things I can do and I cannot piss off this power source here.

C (24:49)

So just two things to note of kind of the evidence that you're laying out. The first is the Ehud Barack email hack from, I think it was from Iran is quite interesting and clearly showcases the fact that it might be just be like different administrations. But at least when Ehud Barak was in office he was working closely with Epstein on some big foreign diplomatic type stuff which would suggest that at a minimum Epstein's some sort of a contractor or asset of a Huber Ox. That's one. In terms of the emails that went out last week, the most damning one was the one that said Trump's the, Trump's the dog that hasn't bit back or hasn't barked back yet. And that's because he spent countless hours with redacted victim in my house. There's something about now the emails that they, they just muddied the whole waters of it. Cuz now you also have this email of oh, Clinton was never on the island. I never met Al Gore. So there's also just the possibility that Epstein was slick enough to kind of send emails that would murky the waters of. If people were reading through his emails and the correspondence with the bad statements about Trump or with the author who wrote the bad book about Trump in the last administration who of course he's playing the card of, oh, I was just, I wasn't working for Epstein or I wasn't trying to, you know, figure out or, or help Epstein spin stories. I was trying to get information from him. It's like the classic pedophile gets caught bringing the ice tea to the kid. I was trying to teach this kid not to meet with random strangers on the Internet. The point I'm making is, firstly, huge win by Massie. Kept the thing in the news, pushed the story all the way to the files being released. There could be great stuff in the emails and all these files. It could just be absolutely bogus. Nothing and nonsense. And there's richer storylines for muck cracking this thing, which mostly include getting all the staff members and everyone involved with Epstein in front of Congress, figuring out what happened with the JP Morgan lawsuit, finding out what the story is with the five other co conspirators that were given immunity. There's a lot of better leads than kind of just where the files are. But the files exist, so the idea that they wouldn't all just be made public at this point is ridiculous.

B (27:04)

Yeah, that's right. And that we want to go, hey, maybe there's some other type of lead in there that'll be. Give us some more information on something else to follow up on. No, I mean, we should take a moment before we get into some of these clips to really also say, because you're right. I mean, this was like, just an amazing accomplishment by Thomas Massie. And you know, he has in this process really taken some arrows like he, he stuck his neck out on the line to get this for us. And we should like, keep, like, we, we must protect Thomas Massie at all costs. Like, just to be clear, what. It's not only that Donald Trump has gone after him in the most vicious way. And isn't it, like, there's something about it. I know I've talked about this a lot before, but, like, Donald Trump has this, this, this character, this quality about him that, like, because he came along in the moment that he did in 2016, when the rule, like the political class had just betrayed the American people in every way possible in cahoots with the corporate media. And Donald Trump just pissed all of them off. And he was so vicious that it was hard to not just enjoy the fact that he's so vicious with all these people who really deserve it. But, man, when that viciousness gets turned around on good people for the crime of being good people, you really do see what an ugly human being Donald Trump is. Donald Trump went after Thomas Massie for remarrying. Like, if you don't know the story, like, Thomas Massie lost his wife of like 30 years last year. Then he remarried this year. And like, I don't know. I mean, I guess from the outside looking in, yeah, it's a little quick to get remarried, but, like, who the. Are any of us to judge what it's like to lose your goddamn high school sweetheart, who you had, like, four children with, who you've been with for decades, and the fact that he got like, first of all, it's just none of our fucking business. None of us know the details of this thing. And for Donald Trump to, like, put that on blast, you're just like, for. For what? For. For the crime of. As J.D. vance said, Rob. Right. Well, I mean, he just votes against us all the time, and this is politics. It's like, yeah, that's right, Rob. He wouldn't support their war in Iran or burying a pedophile story. So that's. So that's why he gets all these arrows, because he spoke out against launching an illegal war of aggression and because he wouldn't cover up for pedophilia. So that's why he. That's why he's as. He has. Miriam Adelson, who Donald Trump is on record saying prefers Israel to the United States of America, is pledging $20 million for his primary campaign, which is, you know, we got a little time for this. It's in 2026. This. This should be the project that, like, all decent Americans get behind. Like, I'm sorry, you will not take out our best congressman because he committed the crime of not supporting more wars for Israel or support covering up Israel's pedophile op. Like, sorry, that's just too insane. That is too insane that the biggest funder of the president, who the president admits prefers a foreign country to our own, gets to take out Thomas Massie over this shit. Like all decent people, our mission should be to, like, donate to Thomas Massey's campaign, support him, do whatever you can. You know, if you know anyone in Kentucky, tell them about it. Like, I don't know, but maybe we'll come up with a better game plan than that. But we should keep in mind that, like, there. This is such an important symbolic political, like, campaign that's coming up there, that congressional primary race, which I guess. Well, I guess the. The general election is in 2026. So I don't know exactly when they got to pick the. When the primary ends up, but I guess that's what the. That's where the action is, is in that primary. But anyway, yeah, it's just, It's. It really is like, it's disgusting what they tried to do to Thomas Massie. And Marjorie Taylor Greene, too, we gotta give her some credit on. Because, like, that crazy lady turned out to be the best kind of crazy. Let me just tell you, she is the. She really did turn out to be the best kind of crazy. Rob, you know how crazy chick could go one of two ways? You know, there's either the crazy chick who you're like, God damn it, that's the coolest goddamn chick, but she's crazy, or there's the crazy chick who's like, give me a heads up before she's coming around, so I cannot be here when she's here. She turned out to be the right type of crazy.

C (31:29)

Well, there's only one kind of crazy. It's just whether or not they're ride or die on your side or just want to ruin your life. So at the moment, she's. She's fighting. She's using all the crazy on the good stuff.

B (31:41)

I understand you're saying it's kind. It's a machine gun. Crazy woman is a machine gun. And, like, if you can get it focused over here at the bad guys, it's a very powerful weapon. But then that thing might be like, oh, okay, you can't. Okay, that's a good. You're right. I think that's a good way to think about it. All right, let's get into some of these. These clips here, because there were a couple that I thought they were very interesting and relevant. So first of all, you know what? Before we get into the Mike Johnson stuff, let's do. Let's do the ones with Mark Epstein. We could do this in. In either order. They're both with. With our dear friend of the show, Chris Cuomo, huge fan of mine, was actually just tweeting about me today and how insightful and, and, and, you know, talented I am. But so here he. Chris Cuomo got Mark Epstein on the show, and there were a couple moments here that I thought were very interesting. So let's play that.

D (32:37)

I got literally it sent to me a dozen times this weekend. Did you see the emails between Jeffrey Epstein and his brother Mark? Did you say it's proof that Epstein was covering and had stuff on Trump as a. You know, his sex life. This back and forth with Jeffrey where he tells you that Bannon is with him and you say, oh, great. Ask him if Putin still has photos of Donny T. I'm assuming President Trump with blowing. Which we all know what that means.

E (33:09)

Bubba, let me stop you here. I'm not discussing that email. This is a private email between Jeffrey and myself, his two brothers talking. It's nobody's business what we wrote. The only thing I responded to because people got crazy with the Bubba reference and they tried to pin it on Clinton. So I made a. That it was not any reference to Bill Clinton. I like Bill Clinton, and I didn't want. I'm sorry for him that he had to go through that. But the email.

B (33:37)

As. Pause it.

C (33:37)

Natalie, I'll let you go first, but I just. We have to address what was just said there.

B (33:43)

Well, first of all, to go. You go, look, I'm not. I'm not going to address this. This is a private email between two brothers. Just like, dude, I think we're past that. Like, I'm sorry, dude. Like, yes, like, like, under normal circumstances, that might be a reasonable defense, but, like, these are extraordinary circumstances because we're talking about a guy who ran a giant sex trafficking ring who was clearly connected to intelligence. And like, now we actually really want to know what the hell you were talking about here. So I. I don't know. It's just. It's a crazy. You know, it's. It's like, I. I don't know what, what to say. It's like, you know, if it's even.

C (34:24)

Crazier to go, I'm not gonna.

B (34:25)

Well, it's going.

C (34:26)

Other than to let that one guy off the hook.

B (34:28)

Well, it's going. Like, if I were to go, if you were like, in my house, and I was like, hey, Rob, can you empty your pockets? So I see you didn't steal anything. And you. Dude, are you accusing me of stealing something? But, like, if I had just caught you stealing five things, it'd be a little bit different. Like, well, now it's kind of a reasonable ask. So like, now we're going. Yeah, you're actually gonna have to tell us what you meant about those emails, because it sounds here like you're saying that Donald Trump was sucking Bill Clinton's dick. So, like, if you could get a little more specific. But then it's like, I won't answer that, but I will answer that it wasn't Clinton. Like, so you're still leaving us with Donald Trump was blowing someone. Like, how is that? Like, who would think that's enough of an answer to not be like, yeah, dude, like, come on, you're gonna have to give us something here.

C (35:13)

It's crazy for that to be the biggest storyline in the news and to go, I'm happy to talk to you, but not about the exact thing that. Oh, that's Private. Well, then don't come on. Then just stay home and don't come on the news.

B (35:26)

But that's the only reason to talk to you.

C (35:29)

Yes, but then to go, oh, yeah, I'll just clarify that it wasn't that one person I'm looking to protect. And I like, that's ridiculous. So wait, so you're confirming Donald Trump blew someone? I mean, I wish that Cuomo would ask him that question. That would be great. Like, okay, so you're telling me it wasn't Bill Clinton. Does that mean that you're actually confirming that Donald Trump is gay and was blowing somebody?

B (35:48)

Yeah, like, well, it's, it's a, it's. Imagine Mark Epstein coming on a story and you're like, okay, so we got this email and you said this. What do you think? He goes, look, dude, I'm happy to talk to you about the Eagles or the weather. I'm happy to talk to you about tax policy. I'm not going to get into Jeffrey Epstein. You go, but why else would we be talking to you, Mark Epstein? That's the entire point. Yes. It's just too, too ridiculous.

C (36:10)

I also, I love how he sounds like just the biggest construction worker dope of all time.

B (36:14)

It is pretty funny. Yeah. Let's keep playing the clip.

E (36:18)

My last word on that email, and.

D (36:20)

I get it, you don't want to talk about it. It was a private back and forth with your brother. Fine. But it is being used as proof that your brother had compromised information about Donald Trump. Is that what you are referring to? And is that what you suspect?

B (36:36)

No.

E (36:36)

Jeffrey, in 2016, I said this publicly before. Jeffrey told me that if he said what he knew about the candidates, they'd have to cancel the election. He didn't tell me what he knew, but Jeffrey definitely had dirt on Trump. And you could see in the emails, Trump could deny it all you want, but it's pretty clear. I mean, everything Trump says.

D (36:52)

But that's not what you were talking about.

E (36:54)

It's provable that he was in Jeffrey's office. He said he wasn't in the House. It's provable he was there. Everything he says is a lie.

D (37:02)

But that's not what you were talking about in the text thread. You don't know of any information that he had.

E (37:08)

I'm not discussing that email.

C (37:11)

If, I mean, like on and bash Trump, I will. But if you want any other information other than Trump bad, Clinton good, I can't really address it at this time.

B (37:20)

Look, I mean, this guy, obviously he's being a snake here. Like he's implying a thing, saying he won't comment on it, but his comment is a huge comment. Then he just says it. Then he won't comment on it anymore. So it's like he's being a snake here. But at the same time, you know, having Jeffrey Epstein's brother tell you that Jeffrey Epstein told him in 2016, again, think about how late into the game this is in 2016. This is like shortly before he dies, he's saying, I got enough dirt that, like, I would end this election right now if I were to release it. Just saying that is one more piece that does just like, bolster the case of like, wait a minute. But so then that's a. You are kind of confirming that, like, this guy was at least somewhat in the business of having dirt on politicians. Now who knows whether this guy's telling the truth or pulling this out of his ass. And I will say, Rob, as you commented on his construction worker voice, it does. That accent just makes you sound like you're pulling out of your ass, you know, and he's also being evasive and being like, I don't know, he's being shady. But it is still something to hear him on record saying that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge, longtime sponsor and I am a big fan of the Ridge wallet. It is beautiful. It's a sleek, minimalist wallet. It's really all you need. I used to have one of those big leather bound wallets, but there it was just, I don't know why, because I, I guess because I was born in the 1980s and that's what I thought men were supposed to do. Just keep a bunch of receipts and business car that I don't need in a big leather bag that sits in one half of my ass and throws my spine out of alignment. But now I just carry this sleek little Ridge wallet around and it's cool. It holds 12 cards plus cash. It's made with premium materials like aluminum, titanium and carbon fibers. They've got 50 plus different colors and styles to choose from. They all look really cool. Also, losing your wallet is something you don't have to worry about anymore because the Ridge tag air tag, because the Ridge air tag attachment lets you know where your wallet is at all times. You don't even have to panic if you lose if you leave it somewhere. And plus, for a limited time, our listeners can get 10 off at Ridge by using the promo code POTP10 at checkout, just head to ridge.com and use that promo code POTP10 and you're all set. After your purchase, they usually ask where you heard about them, so make sure to let them know that you heard about them here. That's helps support the show. Ridge.com promo code POTP10 for 10 off. All right, let's get back into the show. I don't know. Any other thoughts?

C (40:08)

Well, this is another one of the characters that needs to be brought in front of Congress and figure out what's like, wait, so you casually know about some of these storylines? Like what are you alluding to here? So are you actually a resource for. If we wanted to figure out what had happened here and so what, you want to protect the legacy of your pedophile brother? Is that so? Then you're a bad guy at that point. If there's a dead pedophile who might be able to help us uncover the other pedophiles that he was working with, and you're more interested in not tarnishing someone who already has a horrible legacy, then you're a bad guy too.

B (40:43)

Yep. Well, also, just like where are, where are the neoconservatives when you need them? You know, like, where's the person just going, oh, okay, well label him a terrorist and let's torture him until we find out what happened here. You know, like, I mean they were so willing to do that for any Muslim who maybe knew a Muslim who took some money from like a terrorist related organization. You know, it's like, like Scott Horton.

C (41:09)

Used to say that same loose affiliation. Like, I know that he didn't maybe necessarily be a pedophile, but I guess if suspected pedophile.

B (41:17)

Yeah, you're. He was, he was pedophile adjacent or something like that. That's enough to hold a Muslim and.

C (41:22)

Gitmo assisting and abetting pedophiles.

B (41:25)

Well, I remember Scott Horton used to say, and he was kind of making like he was saying it tongue in cheek, but kind of. But he's like, he was like, I don't know, you get like the, the you know, say like the redacted pages of the 911 Commission, which like the feds had. You know what I mean? Like we didn't have them until years later, but like they had them. They were just redacted. And you're like, so all this, like you installed this whole torture regime but you never just tortured Prince Bandar? Like, let's get to the bottom of that. Wait, there was Saudi involvement in 9 11. Okay, let's get exactly to the bottom of that. What the hell did you know? What was the level of involvement? And, and like, by the way, I'm not suggesting we actually do any of this, but you know what I mean? Like, there is just something about where the political will is that we wouldn't just all go, okay, we got this guy. This guy knows more than he's letting on and is openly saying he's not willing to tell the rest of it. Like, okay, as a society, let's decide this. No one is going to sell this guy food until he goddamn sits down and explains himself or whatever. You know, like, I don't know, there's just no, it seems like there's no actual like political or social will to like when it actually matters. Go, no, I'm sorry, we are getting to the bottom of this thing. Like, I don't know. All right, let's go, let's go to the next clip where I liked this, what he said about which I gotta say this is where I really, I find myself in agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's brother here. What a weird statement to make. But what he says, what he thinks is going on with the release of these files. Let's play that clip.

E (43:00)

Is I've been recently told the reason they're going to be releasing these things and the reason for the flip is that they're sanitizing these files. There's a facility in Winchester, Virginia where they're scrubbing the files to take Republican names out. That's what I was told by a pretty good source. What I do want to talk about.

B (43:20)

I did just think that was interesting. Now who knows about his source or whatever. But don't you ultimately, Rob, kind of have to agree with that conclusion that even if this comes to a thing, even if like right now Donald Trump goes, dude, I have to sign this into law because I have to find a way to put this behind me politically. And I can't veto it it after I told. First of all, I think they have a veto proof majority at this point. But like he can't veto it after he told people to vote for it.

F (43:48)

Right.

B (43:48)

But then of course, my guess is that there's a massive effort going on behind the scenes now to get whatever the most incriminating might be out of there. And so in a way that's another way where this does become a win for Thomas Massie no matter what. Which I understand people could criticize the methodology of the thinking here, but it's just, it's just the situation we find ourselves in. But even if these files come back with no smoking gun at all, no one's going to be convinced by that because we just. We know too much about this story. So even if you come back with nothing, you're like, oh, all right, you guys just buried whatever was there or was interesting. I don't know. What do you think?

C (44:31)

Well, first is, whatever time period in New York City, cab drivers were still white. This guy sounds like every coup cab driver from that time period. Like, I tell there's a facility, they're cleaning it up. Like, yeah, I'm doing Rodney, but you get the point. But on the same note, it's like, wait, so you still have high level sources, but you were uninvolved.

B (44:51)

How do you.

C (44:51)

How do you have the inside scoop on the story? And why can't you tell us more about it? What do you mean you got high level sources? What exactly is your business that you have high level sources? As to what, the information from the Epstein file or how it's being treated?

B (45:05)

Yeah, that's a good question. And you know, I suppose, like, I'm sure that there. There were people, probably reporters and such, who have contacted him, trying to get more information on the Epstein thing, but. Yeah, how the hell did that land you in a position where you have any insight into what the FBI is doing with their files or something like that before they're declassified?

C (45:29)

It's like the team is still together. They check in on each other every once in a while and. Yeah, yeah, well, this guy, it's funny that he's also talking to the Fredo of the Cuomo family. It's the Fredo convention, dude.

B (45:43)

I can't believe I didn't even think about that. Just a couple of sexual predators, dumb brothers having a conversation. Having a conversation about what's going on in the world. One Fredo to another, tell me the deal here, bro. What were you talking to your brother about? Yeah, that is good point. Okay, so one, One other element of this, which has been, I think, very bizarre that we have not talked about me and you talked a little bit about this before the show, but has been Mike Johnson in this whole thing, and he is. I. I don't know. His. His reaction to this has been weird. He said at one point, did you see where he said, like, he had. So first he was against the release of the files when Trump flipped. I guess he kind of flipped along with him, but then goes, but we need amendments to this bill to, like, redact parts of these files. And at one Point. He even said, because it would threaten the political order. And like, this is another. This is like the same thing. When they go, listen, it's. Where did they go? It's redacted for national security reasons. You're like, dude, what do you mean? What do you mean? How is a sex trafficking ring involving children tied to national security concerns? Explain to me how there's an innocent answer for all that, because that makes no goddamn sense on the face of it.

C (47:10)

But here, trust the road. If the public discovers that our sources and methods includes child trafficking and the.

B (47:18)

Institution, by the way, it's what they all say. I remember Ben Bernanke, when Ron Paul was getting some traction with his audit, the Federal Reserve legislation, which he never was able to get passed, tragically, but. And Ben Bernanke said that someone asked him, they go, what reason would you possibly have for not opening your books? And he goes, it could undermine confidence. And you're like, oh, yeah, that's right. Yes, Well, I guess that is true. Yes. It's like, yeah, there might be a rush out of dollars if people found out that we just printed 15 trillion of them and sent like 10 trillion a BR abroad. Yeah, but like that, again, that is not a good excuse. Like, this is your. Your wife goes, can I look through your phone? And I go, no, because I'm afraid it might un. Undermine your confidence that I'm not cheating in you. Like, well, that's the whole point. What do you mean? What kind of defense is that? Here, let's play the. Let's play Mike Johnson what. What he had to say. And judge for yourself any reaction to Leader th seeing the bill without adding amendments or changing.

F (48:21)

I am. I'm deeply disappointed in this outcome. I think I'm told. I've been at the state dinner. I don't know. I was just told that Chuck Schumer rushed it to the floor and put it out there preemptively. It needed amendments. I just spoke to the president about that. We'll see what happens.

B (48:37)

So is he. Do you think he may veto it? You say you spoke to the president.

F (48:40)

I'm not saying that.

C (48:41)

Is he supportive of it in its current form?

F (48:45)

We both have concerns about this, so we'll see. I was standing there with the crown.

B (48:50)

Are you frustrated in the majority leader?

E (48:52)

Are you upset with the majority leader?

B (48:58)

You get my point at the beginning, though. Just like, if nothing else, how. Like, how catastrophically mishandled this whole thing has been politically. Like, what are you even saying? Like, why are you even making these comments what are you so nervous about? What, like, what is going on here? It's so freaking creepy, man. I mean, this whole, the whole Epstein thing, the whole thing is like out of a. Out of a twisted movie. You can't. You just can't even believe you're actually watching what you're watching. But so you're like, dude, there's a vote to uncover. Look, from what they are saying, right? From. From the official story here, Rob, Jeffrey Epstein was not a CIA agent. Right. And he wasn't a government employee or an elected official or even a bureaucrat or anything like that. That he was a private person who got caught, you know, committing heinous sex crimes. And you're. There's a vote over releasing the information and you're going, I'm very troubled by this. It needed amendments. Me and the President are both concerned, and yet you don't feel the need to elaborate about what the concerns are and very specifically tell us why you would possibly be trying to suppress this information. Just these vague. It threatens the political order type of commons. It's just so strange to see. And this is the defense you're going with publicly? I don't know. It's just very bizarre.

C (50:31)

I think it's very clear that Mike Johnson got his marching orders to try and make this disappear. They shut down the government to where they were trying to dodge this vote. He was very aggressively talking out against Thomas Massie. When this first came up up, he just lost this battle and that all of Congress voted with Massie to release these files. And now he's still doing everything he can to try and spin it as we were the most transparent. We were always looking for this. The Democrats only dug into this for political points and there's still dangers in releasing the information. It's really just showcasing the fact that he does not want this storyline coming out as to what he's looking to protect. It could be an Israel. Interesting. It could just be that he's so aligned with Donald Trump that Donald Trump said, my administration's not looking to delve into this. So he's just his marching orders.

B (51:22)

It is the, the Democratic hoax one man of all the. Because they. They oscillated back and forth between several ridiculous defenses. If you know, at one point it was like, oh, there's floods in Houston. We can't talk about this now. We're doing so much winning for the economy. But the Democratic hoax one, I mean, it really. It's on the level. Like, it's, it's really up there with the most blatant political gaslighting that I've ever seen. The example that comes to mind to me was Fauci, as we've covered a million times and laughed about. But when, when Fauci said I never recommended locking anything down, they're like, wait, what? Like you were on TV every single day, dude, we all saw you. Like, what, you expect us not to remember but like, for them to go, hey, this was a Democratic hoax. Like, well, what's the, the obvious problem with that is that we're not retarded children who don't remember yesterday. Like, it's not if it was a Democratic hoax. Well, the Democrats controlled the government a few years ago after all of this shit had happened, right? And they never even said a peep about it, mentioned it, never tried to release anything. They never even tried to, to, to, you know, to, to like gin up their base with something about Epstein and Donald Trump. They, they, back then they would have like just tried to downplay this or called this some right wing conspiracy. It was Trump and all of his men who campaigned on this issue and, and rotten ginned up their base on this issue and then had a fake binder party on this issue. And it was not until, Rob, as we all remember, it wasn't until Donald Trump then got real nervous, did a complete 180 and said there's no such thing as the Epstein files. I don't even know what you're talking about. And then the Democrats went, oh, look, he's protecting himself. You know, like it was like at the last minute when he signaled he wasn't going to release anything. Yeah, they used that, but only because he was, you know, taking such a massive hit with his own base that of course they wanted to get in on that. But to try to like, like reframe this as if the whole thing, like, what does it even mean when they say it's a Democratic hoax? What's the hoax, Rob? Are you saying that he wasn't abusing girls? Are you saying that he wasn't having big fancy parties with powerful politicians? Are you saying that he wasn't, you know, that, that. Did Alan Dershowitz not get a massage where his defense was I kept my underwear on? Like, was he not connected with these business dealings with Mossad? Was he like, what's the hoax? Exactly. Here the hoax is that Donald Trump's trying to cover a thing up. The thing that he's openly admitting he's trying. He's, you know, was against releasing until two minutes ago, like what even. It's, it's like one of the things that's, that's, that's interesting about the Epstein, you know, soap opera is that Donald Trump so rarely misses the mark this much with how to market and sell his own agenda, you know, like, even with tariffs, as much as we disagree with the economic policy, like, he's got a thing to say that you understand why it would resonate with his people. And usually, you know, Donald Trump's ability to like, scoff at something, change the subject, throw you some next red meat to get you talking about that, that come up with a nickname for someone to shut them down and, and make you kind of forget about that. His ability to do that has always been flawless. But with the Epstein thing, it's just like he's fallen flat on his face. You know, it's like he's, he's like every single time he keeps trying a new thing and then that, you know, like he would, he would post on Twitter or Truth Social or whatever that like, no one cares about the Epstein thing. It's over. It's only the Democrats. Then three days later, he's posted seven more times about it and you're like, well, what are you even saying then, dude? Like, and I, I don't know, there's something, it's been very bizarre how.

E (55:28)

How.

B (55:29)

Nervous they all seem and how, how that's leading to them, like just, I don't know, presenting this in a way that just seems like, dude, you're just coming off as clearly lying. It's very strange. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. Ever since COVID millions of Americans have started buying preparedness supplies. I know I fall into that category too. I've that the way the Great depression was for my grandparents generation. That's what Covid was. That's what Covid was for our generation. I know I've always been concerned since COVID about making sure I have everything my family needs in an emergency situation. And now our friends at my Patriot Supply have made that so much easier with their Black Friday survival special. It comes with a 4 week food supply plus $150 worth of free gifts, including everything you need to prepare your emergency meals. Like a cook stove, fuel, a fire starters, a water purifier, a bugout bag, and more. It's the complete survival kit your family needs to ride out natural disasters, civil unrest, or anything worse. It also makes a great Christmas gift, so go check them out right now@my patriotsupply.com problem, and you can see everything that's included. With all the uncertainty in the world right now, we simply can't afford to be unprepared. And you don't have to be. Go to my patriotsupply.com problem and get prepared today. All right, let's get back into the show.

C (56:56)

Yeah. Johnson's trying to run whatever cover he can. And go. It's still. We need to make amendments. This doesn't protect victims enough. It doesn't protect agencies enough. Which. That one is, the most alarming one is. Does not protect the agencies.

B (57:10)

Oh, oh, the poor agencies.

C (57:12)

Yeah. Why is that a concern? If the agency.

B (57:15)

Yeah.

C (57:15)

And then something so horrible that the general public, like, would prefer us not to have the agency or conducted in that way.

B (57:22)

And then the victims. Right.

C (57:23)

Yeah.

B (57:24)

And then they say the victims. Meanwhile, outside on their, you know, megaphones, every victim and their family members are demanding the files be released. You know, it's that. So he's like, oh, we'll protect victims. Because it doesn't seem like. Seems like this is the opposite of protecting victims. Seems like you're protecting victimizers and then. Yeah. Protecting the agencies, like. Right. That kind of says it all right there.

C (57:48)

And there was. I don't think we'll get to it, but the. In the clip I had sent, it was funny because you basically had.

B (57:54)

Well, you know what? Let's. Let's. Let's do it, because we got time. We got, like, eight minutes here. Let's. Let's play that clip and then give your thoughts, because I did think that was interesting. You got that one right, Natalie?

C (58:07)

Oh, I. It might just be in the. I might not have sent the clip. I might have just sent the picture.

B (58:14)

I think you did.

C (58:14)

Oh, this is a different clip, but it's interesting also.

B (58:18)

Oh, okay. Well, then, do you want to talk about the thing you were saying before we watch this?

C (58:24)

Yeah. So, I mean, Natalie, while I'm chatting, if you want to look in the. You can look it up. It's the MSNBC thing and the timestamps there, but essentially, you've got every single member of Congress going up there. And now that Thomas Massie pushed it over the limit, they all got to go up there and give their speech about why this is so important and why they're even more concerned than you are. Classic. That's just the theater of politics. They all got to spend their couple minutes, and Johnson goes up there to basically go. You know, I just want to remind everyone that this Is terrible. It's terrible that we're doing this now. The Democrats had four years to do it, and this is still a hoax that now they want to do it. And it's like, dude, at this point, it doesn't fucking matter. Like, if you want to get something done and someone else didn't want to get it done, and now all of a sudden they change their mind. You go, great, now we can work together and get it done. It so clearly showcases, like, so what, are we supposed to wait eight years till the Democrats go back around?

B (59:18)

Yeah, you know, time. You know what? We really. Now that I thought about it, Rob, we shouldn't get to the bottom of this Jeffrey Epstein thing because the Democrats are hypocrites, so we should let that go because they're. They're hypocrites, so we should just let that go.

C (59:31)

If the government looks bad while we're in control, then it's bad for us. So to keep our. Our political points, what we need to do is wait till the Democrats are back around and then go after them.

B (59:44)

Yeah. Here, let's see. Natalie, it's been. Let's see if this is.

F (59:51)

As the leader of my party, I lead the incumbent protection program, okay? That's my job. I go all around the country. I travel honestly, incessantly. I have to raise over three.

B (60:00)

All right, here. You know, let's just. Let's go to that other clip that you had up before of. Of Trump, and then we'll. We'll wrap up after that. My voice is still a little weak from the festival, Rob. I'm getting it back.

G (60:24)

You know, it's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who is highly respected, asking him a horrible, insubordinate, and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psychs you over at abc, they're going to psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert.

B (61:08)

It really is like, he's crashing out, dude. He's. He's crashing out. And. And it does also. I don't know, it's just, you know, it's like with all these things like stress tests or whatever, you know, like. Like just in the sense that, like, like, like on a personal level, you know, I just know, like, when things get hard, you learn things about people that you maybe wouldn't know about them during good times, you know? And like, so you see, like Trump, that. That really is the ugliest part of Donald Trump too. That it's not because it's one thing again, like I said before, when Donald Trump's humiliating Hillary Clinton, it's like, well, hey, I mean, Hillary Clinton just deserves to be humiliated so much. But in moments like this, when a reporter asks a totally reasonable question very politely, actually, she didn't ask it in a shitty way for all like we've seen a million times over the years, Robin, we call balls and strikes on this shit. How many times have we called out reporters for the bullshit questions that they asked Donald Trump? But this wasn't one of them. She went, hey, since you've turned around and you're supporting releasing the files, like, why are even, why are we even doing the sham of a Congress vote? You're the president. You have the authority to release whatever files you want. Like, like, why tell them to vote on this and get. Like, why not just release it yourself? And then what is his immediate instinct? Because he doesn't have a good answer. Let me try to humiliate her. And like, you know, it's one thing when you're humiliating a warhawk for lying us into a war, but like, when you're just. When your go to. Is just to humiliate a woman because you're insecure and defensive that you don't have a good answer. It's hard to not look at that as just a, an incredibly ugly quality. Look, man, like I said on that this last episode, I don't know what to say here, but I think we're, we're looking pretty vindicated on a lot of the takes we've had here because we've been talking about this since the, the Eine thing happened. But it is hard to overstate how much Donald Trump ruined his political legacy over this Epstein thing. I mean, it really was. Oh, excuse me. It was. Donald Trump ruined so much of his political legacy over attacking Iran and then burying the Epstein files. Those. And they came real close together too, and they both seem to have to do with a similar foreign country. There was just so much of the, the energy and the support and the belief in Donald Trump, like, evaporated with, with those two things. And, and as we said in the last episode, I mean, just look at it. He's just. Well, you said he's crashing out. This guy's cooked, dude. Donald Trump is cooked. And the. The the America first movement, like this giant political movement that was a. A winning coalition in 2024, had better come to terms with the fact that Trump is cook. We better start figuring out where we go from here. I would humbly suggest the next first step is we protect Thomas Massie, make sure he wins his reelection campaign. Final word to you, Rob, and then we'll wrap up.

C (64:18)

I think that's an excellent first step. Look forward to seeing all you nice people out in Poughkeepsie.

B (64:23)

Yep. See you guys there. November 22nd. I'm not sure I know the first show sold out. There might be a few tickets left for that, that late show if you want to come out. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace.