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Foreign. What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith, he is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. We are back from our, our wonderful trip in Boston. Bastin. Great times. Thanks to everybody who came out to the shows. That was a lot of fun. How you doing, Rob?
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And actual human beings at the shows. Not. Not just crazy.
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Yeah, well, it was a mix. It was a mix of humans and
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bots and, and a few freaks from the convention next door.
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Yeah, there was a little bit of a freak convention. Well, there was a. So we, me and Rob were up in Boston. I did get to see a bit of the no Kings rally that they had up. There really was a quite a group of freaks from what I saw. Just everyone who you would have thought would have been at like a trans protest is what I saw at these protests. Just I, you know, my limited looking out from an Uber as I'm, you know, driving around Boston. But I don't know, one thing I just, first of all, I always with, with these protests, I guess I've, I've never looked at them the same since There was, what was that, that chick's name? She was like a real high ranking operative who said in the Time magazine piece was bragging about how the Democrats can turn on and off the, the protests and how crazy it is that like Joe Biden gets in and all of a sudden none of these people care about any black guy who gets killed by the cops for the next few years. And it's just like, I don't know. But anyway, you see these things and all these signs and I don't know, Rob, I think we talked about this. I don't know if you saw any of this, but every sign I saw was just like the vaguest thing. Like it was all just like people over fascism or ruled by the many, not by the monarch or like something like that. And you're just sitting there and you're like, guys, there's a war on. Like, what are you doing? Like you want to protest? The thing's right there for you to protest. What is this? I don't know, just. I really got no comment other than that. But it was just kind of strange.
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I guess. Soros wants to take the opportunity to criticize Trump and not the actual war that he's engaging in or whatever the power structure is looks as. This is an opportunity to, you know, show how much discontent there is for Trump. But they don't want to actually direct it towards the, towards the war.
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Maybe, maybe just chaos. You know, like, that's just the goal right now. Get things more chaotic. Maybe it's. Who knows, you know? But it's just. It's very interesting. It just feels. I don't know, it just felt. I guess I was looking at it. It looked. Dude, I don't know. I have no evidence or anything like that. I'm just saying, like, as you look at it, you felt like, you're like, was this guy, like, paid to be here? Is this even a real thing? Is it possible that that's what you. But you came with. That just doesn't say anything. And I don't know. It's very strange. Anyway, so we got. Been quite a busy, busy few days for me, and it's not going to stop yet. I got one more. One more flight that I get to get on tomorrow to go do another big show, and so that I'm looking forward to. So I apologize for the schedule being a little bit messed up. We did. We were able to get a members only episode out this weekend while. While we were in Boston. And so if you want to become a member, go sign up@partoftheproblem.com and you could go listen to that episode because that's what you get, an extra episode, except for the last few weeks, but I will make up all of those.
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We did an hour and a half, basically taking on Coleman Hughes. So it's only available behind the paywall. Go check it out.
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Yes. But I did mention at the beginning of there, I feel like. So, you know, I kind of got to say something on a public episode about this too. Um, because, you know, I. I was a little inconsistent with the schedule here, but I, you know, was. Obviously, I just did Joe Rogan experience again. And then I had this. This debate that went super viral and really was, you know, it's. So I think the last episode that we did, if I'm remembering correctly, Rob, the last public episode we did, I started. It was immediately after filming the debate with Adam from the Patrick Brett David podcast. And at the time, it just. It. I don't know. I didn't really have anything to say about it. I just kind of met. You know, it was just like, oh, I. I debated a dummy and he embarrassed himself. Another one of those. You know what I mean? It's. It's a little bit more interesting because it was Pat's guy this time, but that. But then I did not realize the reaction to it, like, what it would be. I. This is. It's got to be up there with it is. It is top five, like, the most reaction to a show I've ever done. Like, it went super goddamn viral. It is dominating. The comment section of the PVD podcast is dominating other people's debates. Like, other. The Coleman Hughes, Glenn Greenwald one is also. So, anyway, I just. I talked about this a little bit on the Members Only episode, but I'll just say this. This briefly here, as I've been thinking about it, and in a way, I feel almost a little bit awkward. I feel a little bit bad. I don't. I. I like and respect Pat, and now his entire comment section is flooded with this shit. And, you know, I just. I'm a very loyal person, and I really appreciate when people, like, you know, give me opportunities and, like, Patrick David gave me the Chris Cuomo debate. I will just never, you know, not be so grateful to him for that. But, like, the more I think about this, it is all Pat's fault. So that's. It's all his fault, man. I mean, come on, dude. You're the general. What are you doing? What are you doing having your guy not only debate me? What are you doing having your guy debate me? And then what are you doing letting them come at me like that? You know what I'm gonna have to do to him? Like, what? Why would you do this? Bad? And I mean that. I mean that playfully. I. I love and respect Patrick Bet David also, just as I've gotten to know him a little bit and, like, sitting down at lunch and talking to the guy, he's an incredibly impressive human being that's like, a real leader, a real, like, force of nature, and an interesting, very interesting guy. Really, really sharp business mind. I start talking business with him, and it's like I'm as drowned in a conversation about business with Patrick Bet David as Adam is in a conversation about war with me. Like, I'm as out of my league in that conversation. So I always just find the guy interesting anyway, so, you know, hey, it happens. It's your fault. You can't let your guys do this. That's crazy. Can't. Come on. Someone had to warn him. Anyway. Just wanted to address that publicly. So I've had an interesting. You know, it's been a few days of. Of get, you know, doing. Between that debate and then doing the. The Rogan podcast. Been getting a lot of stuff online, and it's always. It's kind of interesting. Rob, there's this new thing. I've noticed this a lot. Again, I don't exactly. It's it's, it's just kind of strange the way it happens. But the, the last few times I was on Rogan, including really it started with the Douglas Murray debate and then I've done it a few more times since then and every time now it's like, for, for a few days it's just like fucking people sharing my clips and, and overwhelmingly like the people who are like, oh, this was awesome and blah, blah, and agree with it, right? And then like a few days later there's a thing where it hits that and I'm just telling you, I've been on social media for a long time. I've been doing shows for a long time and it's only really been like since the, the Douglas Murray debate where like three days after it comes out, all of a sudden there's just like a switch and it's like all these like negative accounts, like going at me and coming at me with all these different things. And again, much like the protests, I don't know, I'm not alleging anything, but it is, you know, for the people. This Fox News guy will say, oh, Dave Smith's accounts boded by foreign, you know, whatever. It's like I get like on one day just like a thousand accounts, all with no profile pictures, all with like, you know, like three followers or something and all with like this that all say like the same exact thing. Anyway, it's a little bit strange, but much like, like I've gotten this in, in the past where some people will like come out with these, you know, it's always a mix rub of either. It's, it's like a prominent person who just wants to insult you as a response. They have no argument. They don't want to contend with anything I said. They just want to come out here and go, I'm, I'm an expert and he's not, or whatever, which is, I, I, I'm shocked they keep doing it. It seems so counterproductive and clearly only plays into our hands. Like, yeah, keep, keep with your elitist snobbery unattached to an argument. You know, it's like, whatever. It just, it is not helping you. It doesn't help you to, it just demonstrates you can't take on so, but, but it's a mix of this. I get either some prominent person who won't take on the argument and will just call me names or I get some unknown person who I've never heard of who will write you a goddamn diatribe. Like, I mean, literally, we'll write you 13 pages out, and then we'll go, Dave won't take on this. And you're like, dude, like, I don't know. It's like, so anyway, we're gonna take on one of them here because this. This one did, like, go viral on the Internet here. But it's just. It's such a weird standard where you sit here and you go, guys, look, I think I'm being reasonable here with the way I manage my time and the amount of debates I do and how willing I am to step up to the plate with just about anyone within reason. And, you know, you're. You're like, oh, Dave, you didn't respond to this entire novel from this guy who you've never heard of. And it's like, meanwhile, I' like, okay, here's my actual life. You know, I got on a flame to go. Got on a plane to go out to, you know, Austin five days ago, got on a plane to come home four days ago, got on a plane to go to Boston three days ago, had five shows in Boston this weekend. Plus, we did a podcast up there. I'm coming back to do a show here. I'm with my kids the whole time that my family came with me on. On this last trip. And so you're just like, at what point do I have to. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't. So, like, for all. Just going forward. For all. For you guys. Like, if you're not a prominent person and you do want to take on my shit on social media, it's one point, your best point. You know what I mean? Like, at a time, at least, like, start with one, and that's the way you could get a response from me if you actually want that.
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Or maybe they can coordinate and, you know, drop draft one list of arguments and have a single expert sign off on it, like a God, gad sad, or whoever doesn't want to actually list an argument, maybe you guys can put together the argument for him and then he can sign off on. This is what I think Dave got wrong. And then it gets handed to us, and then we can take it on because, you know, it's got a name attached to it.
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Because he just.
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He's been doing the thing forever where he just won't engage. You know, he'll just. For whatever reason, whatever excuse I'm. I'm important enough to talk shit about and, like, throw out Boomer insults to. But you can't ever take on a goddamn argument. It's like, okay, at a certain point, you want to just do that again. You want to just hand me the win by default, then fine. But. But. So then after hiding behind it forever, he comes out once and throws out an argument today, and it's the dumbest shit you've ever heard in your goddamn life. Like, it is like. It's like behind that whole facade, these fake fucking Intellectuals, dude. I can't stand that shit, that fucking snobbery. The argument he threw out was, they go, they go. He was saying something like, oh, I'm sure someone will find a way to blame, you know, Jelani killing Christians in Syria on the Jews, you know, being like. Because it's a Muslim killing a Muslim, I guess is the extent of what Gad knows about it. I mean, obviously Gad knows what's up, but he is who he is. But, but. So he goes, oh, someone will find a way to blame that on the Jews. And I just went, dude, Netanyahu publicly took credit for it when Assad fell. Like, literally took credit for it. And then, so his response today was to someone, he goes, he goes, oh, when you blame it on the Jews, you deny the agency of the Syrians. And you're like, oh, that's the argument you got. That's. You mean the dumbest fucking pro war argument that everyone always makes. When you, when you point out that the NED and the USAID poured $100 million into the maid on Revolution, they go, so you're saying those people didn't have agency? Like, what? No, I'm saying the NED in the USA aid poured $100 million into it is what I'm saying. Also people with agency and $100 million people with agency at agencies with $100 million to spend that, you know, like. And so anyway, it's just, I guess it's a thing I have. I don't know, Rob. Like, I grew up in, in like a family of academics. Like, I'm. I was kind of like the black sheep of the family or whatever, even though I'm the most successful one now, but rub it in, make sure they're listening. No, but, like, I, you know, all members of my family, like, everyone went to, like, everyone has like, PhDs and went to Ivy League schools and stuff. And they're very smart people. My brother, my sister, my mother. Oh, very smart. And. And there's a lot of really smart people in academia. I know that firsthand. I know them. That's like, you know, I, I grew up with people like this, but then I also kind of had a fucked up childhood in a lot of ways, and I became the person that I am. But I always just found out in life pretty easily that, that first of all, like, yes, there are some very impressive people with some impressive titles. There is also an overwhelming majority of them who just aren't that impressive with those same exact titles. And actually, like, there are people. My, My stepdad Is a, is a trucker. He's been a trucker his whole life. So one of the smartest guys I know really knows, well read, knows history. Also has a lot of wisdom, which is something that a lot of these guys just don't have. And I just always the idea that like, oh, this truck driver could never like, school a college grad in a debate is essentially like what gad sad is is saying. But. And it's like n. Dude, you. And you're actually wrong. It's not true. And there's. And, and he could pretend what he wants to, but there's a reason why he won't sit down and debate me. It's like the, and, and there's tons of other guys who would tear him apart. Like, it's not, you know, And I do, I do just really hate that because it's, it's, it's just a, it's a really ugly, like, personality trait to have and it's just not true. It's not true, dude. Like, there's. There's regular ass people all over the world who are like smart, interesting people and it's. And there's a lot of really unimpressive people in academia. We've seen a bunch of them, haven't we, Rob?
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Yep. I mean, we had years of trans. The kids.
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Yeah.
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Coming from academics.
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We need more women, literally. No, I mean, you, you think about like the, the level. It's not just like how awful and destructive the policies are, but like how stupid some of the people who you see are like, Joy Reid went to Harvard, dude.
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I had every academic history. I had every academic in the country tell me even though I already had Covid, I still needed to get a vaccine. So.
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Yes.
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Literally, you can keep your expertise class.
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Yeah, it's. Yeah, it was really. It's like. And there's also a funny kind of thing about like, I don't know, whatever. It's. It's. That's always the knock on me, I guess. Or you're just a comedian. You're not an expert. But it's like the way I view things was always like, yeah, that's right. I'm. I'm a guy. I'm a dude talking to other people. Like, I don't, I don't think anyone who listens to this show or is like a fan of us should be looking at me that like I'm anything other than that. I'm just like, I like to talk about this stuff and I'll tell you how I feel. And so, so My point is just that I'm like. It's almost like I view myself as, like, I'm a dude. I'm having a conversation with the American people, or a little chunk of it, who listen to me. And then there's someone from, like, the expert class who's, who's like, you don't speak for us. And I'm like, yeah, dude, you could. We. This could just exclude you. Like, I'm. I'm having a conversation with other people here, you know, and so, like. And then also, I mean, obviously, there are. There are lots of people in the expert class or what. I would certainly consider it who I think are great and who I've become. Been lucky enough to become friends with a lot of them. Anyway, okay, so here is the, the, the tweet thread, and I'll go through. Listen, I don't know if we'll have time to go through all of this, because it's just. I just kind of want to demonstrate that it's like there were a bunch of people. So basically what happened was some account. I have never heard of this account before, but they got a little bit of a, A following, and they put out like, a long tweet thread about how I was spreading misinformation on the Joe Rogan podcast. And, you know, it got like, like 600,000 views or something like that, and a lot of people were sharing it.
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To me, Dave, that sounds real dangerous. Were you out there warning people that this worm might not be a good idea?
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Yes, dangerous misinformation, but, well, look, claiming that I got some, some things wrong. Well, let's go through this, or at least a little bit. The I, I, the. I think the reason some people are trying to give me. Everyone's looking always at this point to try to get a, like a win. You know, this is where you got it wrong. This is what you got. You know, I have a lot of people attempting to do that. And so he wrote this long thread out, and then I, I just read I, I, you know, thumb through it real quickly, and it's like, oh, what? And so I just responded with one sentence, and I said, this post does not debunk a single thing that I said. Not one. But then I guess just the optics of that, people go like, well, hey, he did this whole thing and you only had one set. Come on, dude. You want someone to take on your argument? He. So I figured, why not make it a segment on the show? I know sometimes people give me shit like, don't live out Twitter beef on the show, but it's always in service of getting to a point and discussing the thing. So. No, my show. Okay. So it's. We could actually. Natalie, I guess you could pull this up on the screen if you want to. It's the Merson tweet, I think. I hope I'm not butchering your name, sir. But he's. I don't know his, his account is, is all, uh. Oh, hold on. Then you can hit show translation. Show show translation. Uh, so. Okay. I don't know. He's a writer and a, a podcast host. Okay, so. So he says the first tweet says on a recent Joe Rogan episode, comic Dave Smith talked about misinformation on Iran, but ended up spreading several misleading and one sided claims as an Iranian. I fact checked just three minutes of what he said and it was already disappointing. Here's a breakdown. Now. I, I do want to just say before even we get to the first tweet, there a random three minutes in
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the middle of the show.
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Yeah. Edit it up.
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He just. No, I'm saying this guy just watched a random three minutes to go. These are the three minutes to debunk.
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Oh, I don't know. Hold on.
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It's not like this was the first three minutes of the episode.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm just saying that's such a,
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that's a good point. I did. I honestly Rob completely missed that one. Wasn't even focused on that. But yeah, that's a pretty funny thing. I it in just three minutes. As if implying that he could do this the whole time through the show or something. That is kind of funny. Okay. But as other people did point out, you know, because this is actually what I found more relevant, you know, the account. Because Twitter lets you see where people are now. The account's based in Portugal. Okay. Now, now again, I'll take this guy at his word that he's an Iranian, but there's something to say. Like as, as an Iranian, I fact checked him. It's like, nah, dude. Like that's, I'm sorry, like how that's just not the case. If you're not living there, then it's not like as an Iranian, I'm doing this. I'm not. You don't get knowledge from like your, your DNA. And like, sure, there's a chance that like he knows people who are in Iran or something like that, but that's not as an array. That's as someone who has family in Iran or a claim like that. I just don't like the like anyway, Whatever. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Knick Knack. Most nicotine products are loaded with ext ingredients and all kinds of slop. Knickknack is the alternative. A family owned company making the superior nicotine option. Manufactured in the USA with the highest quality standards. Made with just six premium ingredients clearly listed on the back. You know exactly what's in it. There's no ph adjusters, no pouch, no waste, no bs. It's made with real essential oils for real flavor. Available in both 3 and 6mg strength. This is nicotine perfected. Go check them out@knickknack.com Dave and use the promo code Dave for 20% off your order. Or you can use the store locator to find knickknacks near you. Warning, this product does contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. It is also pretty damn awesome. All right, let's get back into the show. Let's move on to more of the substance of it. Okay, so the first, the first tweet that we go to here, Natalie, is quote, iranians rose up in defense of the regime. Hundreds of thousands in Tehran. False, misleading. Trump did not say this already, Rob. I didn't claim that Trump said that. What I said is that Donald Trump told the Iranian people to rise up and take their government and they rose up by the hundreds of thousands in defense of their government. There were verified aerial photos of this and it. You can clearly see by the aerial photos, like, I'm very confident to say hundreds of thousands because it was clearly high. Hundreds of thousands. Maybe over a million people out in, in Tehran. It was like almost a ninth of the population of Tehran was out there chanting death to America in. On behalf of the regime. That's. That's what I said. So it's not misleading because Trump didn't say that. I didn't claim Trump said that. And then he says, Trump did not say this. He actually urged people to stay at home, not rise up in quote, beyond that. Okay, yeah, look, just to that, Rob, if you remember the speech that Trump gave. Okay, maybe I didn't. He didn't. I don't remember if he actually said the word rise up or not. He said, take back your government. Like, what do you. How else would you do that? Would you do that by sitting down lower or maybe would you do that by rising up? No, he did tell him to stay at home. Like, he was like, hey, There's a bombing campaign coming. I wasn't saying. He said, hey, as soon as we start, hey, people who want to overthrow this regime, as soon as we start bombing, step outside. Yes, he didn't say that, but he did tell them to take back their government. What are we disputing here?
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I think there was also a line of help is on the way. And this is, this is, this is your absolute best and only opportunity to, to go and do this. So it sounds like, sounds like it's points for autism so far that he didn't specifically say the words rise up. As if that actually takes on the idea.
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Yeah, and also that you're just missing it. Yes. You're missing the point. When I said. He said rise up and they rose up for the reg team. I'm saying he was hoping they would go take back their government and instead a bunch of them went and said, no, this is our government. That's obviously the point. You're. You're intentionally missing this. And there's nothing, there's just nothing you have here. There's a non point. Okay. Beyond that, the claim ignores reality. In Iran, only pro regime rallies are allowed while anti government protests face tear gas arrests and live ammunition. Crowd numbers come from the state and are unreliable. Example, government claimed 3 million in Tehran January 18th. Independent estimates put it at 100 to 140,000 in a city of 15 million. Okay, nothing to do with anything that I claimed. I'm not. Again, I didn't say, you know, that the Iranians came out in the hundreds of thousands in Tehran in support of the regime and it would be just as easy for them to come out in opposition to the regime. I didn't make that claim. I'm not claiming the government cracks down. I'm saying this is all. Given the situation we have, we have this government in place. Donald Trump told the people to take back their government and what happened is instead they did this. That's the claim which is true. None of this debunks it. This isn't rating me false. You're just adding in other information that isn't related to shit. One and oh, okay, so here's two. We may not get through that many of these because they're just. It's this stupid and easy for each one. Number two. 165 little girls were killed. So people hate us. Tragic, but needs investigation. The reported toll reached 165, but verification is impossible due to Internet shutdowns. Lack of.
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So bad. Yeah, I mean, like, he's not actually denying that there was a strike on kids, and now he's just being. He's taking it a task on whether or not the number was actually 165. If it was 5, does that make it acceptable? If it was 100, is that now acceptable? So he's not actually challenging that this took place. He's challenging that we need independent verification of the 160 number.
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By the way, this isn't even the official defense of the U.S. government. The U.S. government is essentially, there's a military report that's out that, ok, maybe stop. Maybe they caveated it a little. Little bit, but said it was most likely an American strike. The president's defense was that maybe some other country used Tomahawks, maybe the Iranians. I'm sorry, use Tomahawks was the president's official defense of it. Okay. Which is, like, obviously not true. And so, Yeah. I mean, if you want to sit here and say that, like, well, it's hard to verify every single detail, fine. But you're making up defenses for a regime that the regime itself is not even claiming they don't want to say that. And there were a bunch of images of the school being hit. So, I mean, again, this is just like, no, this isn't something I'm wrong about. This isn't even something any of the officials on the US Or Israeli side are disputing.
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Yeah, it's funny. It seems like he's trying to take on just the 165 number and pretend that. That he's taking on the entire claim. It's really stupid.
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Right? Which is. And, and the point of this, of course, is that you go, this is. He's saying the claim is that, oh, you killed all these kids, and so people hate us. Like, it is really funny to watch as it's just the mo. The people trying to argue against blowback, against the idea that you create hatred when you kill innocent people around the world is just. I don't. It's. It's a very weird. You know, in, in politics, obviously, like, I'm. I'm very interested in a lot of different topics, and I've had a lot of different arguments about them and read a lot of different arguments that different thinkers have made. And there's something particularly about the people who argue that, like, blowback isn't really the call or that killing kids doesn't really get people to have a. It's like, it's just. There's something about it that's so fundamentally. It's like the most, like, A. A priority is maybe not the right word. It's the most like thing that because you're a human being and you're thinking about other human beings, it's not like you're a human being thinking about a rock. You know, you're a human being. You're, you're someone who exists as a human being thinking about how other people exist. And you have a little bit of insight to that because you're a human being too, you know. And so it's the most basic understanding that like. Well yeah, of course, like anyone you're
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saying instinctually it makes sense and you're actually denying what we can all instinctively understand. Which has also been proven to go with a different theory that this doesn't actually happen.
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Yeah, like. Well also if you just, you know, in America, right? In America there was a bit. Some people don't, some younger people may not know this, but there was this big. In the, in the 1930s, in the late 1930s and the early 1940s, there was a huge anti war America first movement in this country. The, the America First Committee had like 600000 members or something like that. And it was a huge thing try to keep us out of World War II. We do not want to go to World War II. They had a lot of, a lot of public support and a lot of influence. And then we got hit on Pearl harbor and they just folded completely and they just stopped being a thing. It was just like that, dude, all that debate's over. We got hit. So now we're in the war. That's it. And this is, this is hitting a military target. That's not even, you know, it's America, but it's not like even really America, Rob, you know what I'm saying? Like it's like a military target out there somewhere. Not even like really hit in the homeland. And that was our response. And then of course after 9 11, the country went totally mad. Gave George W. Bush 90 plus percent approval ratings and a blank check to fight whatever dumb war he wanted Elias into. And like it's just such a crazy thing to go. So why do you think we have a monopoly on that feeling? Why do you think that we are the only ones who like if you come kill some of us, we're going to snap the fuck out and go kill 10 times as many as you of you. Why do you think we're the only ones who have that, that, that, that psychological like basic operating system Also to
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see this as a non variable. We went into this war, pretending that we're liberating the Iranian people, that we're so against a regime being bad to their civilian population, that if they're killing their own population, we've got no choice but to get involved and help those people out. And the first thing we did in the war was kill a school with kids in it. And you're gonna pretend like that's not a variable that's gonna persuade. If you were trying to convince the entire Iranian people that America's coming here to support you and try and liberate you from your leadership. And your starting gesture includes killing kids in a school?
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Yeah.
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You don't think that affects the sale?
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Just because we didn't actually play the Rogan clip. What was the short on what you had said on Rogan that he's working to debunk here?
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Oh, none of. Nothing here has anything to do. What I said. I, I said, it turns out when you kill a bunch of people's kids, it's, it's there. If you want to, if you want to scroll up to the top, you can play the clip. Probably would have made more sense to do that at the beginning if we were going to do it, but we could play that clip real quick if you want to. Is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war. He said, this is a regime change, and I'm calling on the great people of Iran to rise up. And they did. They rose up by at least the hundreds of thousands. They were out in Tehran in defense of the regime, chanting, death to America. Because it turns out when you kill 165 little girls, that doesn't make a country go, we love you. Thank you. Right. But before the bombing, there were people in the streets that were protesting, and people were killed because of that a lot. That's. The other thing, is that that regime is like they, they clamp down and they do it with public figures. They killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran. They claimed he killed a few cops. That's what the, the Iranian regime said he was being hung for. Now, I don't. The wrestler. Yeah, the wrestler Donald Trump when he, when he launched this war. And there's been a whole lot of just false claims that have been made, but he said specifically that they killed 32,000 protesters. There has not been a shred of evidence presented to back up this. The last I had seen was that. I know.
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Oh, so he.
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Just play a little bit more of this. One second. Play. Play the rest of this part. We'll stop in a sec. Saying the, The Government OF Iran is. Before the Ayatollah was killed, they were saying it was something like 3,000 people had died. Iran protest death toll could top 30,000. And this is from Time magazine. I've just seen this movie play out a lot of times. You gotta be really careful about these accusations that are made in the run up to a war. They're basically saying we have a source who told us this time was unable to independently verify these figures. Listen, you can pause it right there. And then I go on to say the claim being made is that one of the greatest massacres in human history just happened. Now what he cut out there, I think if I remember correctly. I've not watched the episode back, but I think if I remember correctly what he kind of cut out. There was just more of me qualifying my statements essentially being like, now look, they said he killed a cop. I don't trust no Mueller court system, you know what I mean? So like I have no idea if he did. I'm just saying that that's the claim they're making. And then this is the claim here. And then this evidence hasn't been shown there, but I go out of my way. I believe, I hope I did. If not, I'll say here, but like, yeah, look, my whole fundamental worldview is that governments are criminal organizations. Wars are at least between the government parts. This is like, like, like crime family wars, gang wars or something like that. There's no innocence. There's no, you know what I'm saying? I don't like trust that they're not. So I'm not saying they wouldn't kill 32, 000 of their own people. I don't know how goddamn crazy a mullah or an ayatollah with a goddamn the full force of a state behind it is. Maybe they would. I'm saying it's an extraordinary goddamn claim now isn't it? You're saying this one article we looked at said in two days they killed 32,000 people. Dude, if you carpet bombed Tehran for two days, you may not kill 32,000 people. Like this is so where. What are we basing this on? What do we know? And then it goes, a source said we were unable to verify.
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I think that's if, if Tehran killed 32,000 people. It's tragic. It's not a reason why we should be going to war with them for regime change. And I think the point is when they make claims like that to try and get Americans to feel like we have to go and take action, you should Question if the information's even true. Because it's the war fear porn that they use.
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Yes, it's a. Sorry, sorry. Continue.
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B
No, you can take that on, because I was going to make another point.
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Well, sure, sure. We'll keep it in mind. Well, it's, you know, and I was able to get this point out on Rogan, which I was happy. And I was able to give Keith Knight a nice shout out because I love that guy and he's really brilliant. But this is the thing where Gad. Sad coin. I think he coined the term suicidal empathy. And, like, it's a pretty good term. It has good, like, you know, the stuff I always talk about in San Diego, I go, I think that's a good example of, like, suicidal empathy. Like, you're so. You're so empathetic that you. You're not going to tell homeless people they can't shit on the street. Or you're so empathetic that you're just going to have open borders because, oh, these people have a poor life, but now you're ruining you and you're, you know, you're committing suicide through empathy. I think that's a good term, though Keith Knight flipped it on him, which is such a good one. Is he go, all right, you don't want to have suicidal empathy. You also don't want to have homicidal empathy. You know, and that's what this is. This is a great example of where they try to play this homicidal empathy. Don't you feel so bad for these people getting killed? Shouldn't you go kill some people? You know what I mean? And it's like, so I grant you, even if this was true, I, of course it wouldn't be reason to go for a war. The fuck. Israel just killed like 100,000 people. I'm not advocating we go to war with them. Like what? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no. But also, there really isn't evidence that it's true. And since, I'm sorry, since every last goddamn war was sold off of a lie, I'd like to see some evidence about these claims that you're making, young man. And so anyway, here's the. Sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, absolutely.
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It annoys me that the Internet is this stupid, that anyone took this guy's tweet thread seriously enough or it generated enough numbers for us to take on, because it's so wildly disingenuous to go, hey, I happened upon three minutes of this, and there are wildly False claims. And firstly, it's not even just a random three minutes of the show that he wanted to take on. It's an edited three minutes so that he can take random points out of context and say, hey, this one line here isn't true, and then not even address, like, the point of the one line and go, oh, he said 165, 165 is inaccurate. Or here he said that he can't
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even say it's inaccurate. He's just saying, well, that is what's being reported. But we don't know it to be exactly that.
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If he actually had good. The levels of disingenuous here of what he concocted together and the people on Twitter didn't instantly see through, this is. It just irritates me because it just showcases how dumb the Internet is. I just believe that people thought that this was worthwhile.
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Well, it's not. It's not just like a matter of people being dumb. It's a matter of people being, you know, just dug in, dug in on their side. And so when something happens and you see this happen to, to a lot of people, you know, when Glenn Greenwald or Tucker Carlson or, or someone like that goes out and they just make a really compelling argument against this and kind of exposing all of it, the first thing people move to do is like, discredit them or, or try to say they got it all wrong. And so someone wants this. Like, yes, okay, here's a point by point thing. Breaking down all the misinformation. See, I was right about what? But the problem is that, like, look, no, look, we'll get into some more of this here. Okay, so from the part that we just played, this is number three, the third in this, in this thread. He killed a few cops. Wrestler, case in parentheses. Context matters. Amnesty and IHR report that the trial lacked due process and relied on confessions obtained under torture. Again, and not only in the part I edited, he edited out, but even in the part that he left in there, I was going, that's what they're saying. That's what they are saying. I do not know that this is true. And I do not trust any mullah system of justice, obviously. So, like, I wasn't saying that. Wasn't saying the. The wrestler deserved to get hung. I'm just saying that, like, this is what they're claiming they're hanging him for is that they allege him and a couple other people killed some cops. And that's what he just said there in his tweet too. Like, it's not. There's no contradiction between me and him or whatever. Okay, number four, Trump. 32,000 protesters killed. True. As a quote. Trump did say this and reported by media outlets, but he was citing external reporting. And was not capital letters, the original source of the figure? Well, did I claim he was the original source of the figure? No. And like, what? That has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't matter. He said it. He said it as the commander in chief, as he launched a war of aggression. He said, they just killed 32,000 people. And I'm saying, what is the goddamn evidence that it was 32,000 people? That's quite a claim. You're alleging the biggest massacre in human or one of the biggest massacres in human history happened in two days in Tehran. And what do you got? What evidence do you have? That's a. That's a bold claim. The onus is on you to back it up. And it doesn't matter if it was out there in a newspaper. That's like defending George W. Bush saying, well, someone had written that they had WN MDs, because. Yeah, but it's your job to make sure the claim is true before you sell it. You sell us a war based on it. I mean, what is this? This is what people are sending to me. Okay, so five. No shred of evidence for 32,000 killing. False evidence exists but is fragmented due to repression. In Iran, where independent journalists and NOS are restricted, documentation relies on witness testimony, medical rector, medical records, burial data leaked. I'm sorry, leaked documents and cross verification. Families are often threatened and prevented from speaking publicly. Listen again, man. You can't throw in. Families are threatened from speaking publicly. And saying like that proves me wrong somehow, because you're speculating that that's the reason why there isn't any evidence when my claim is that there isn't any evidence. Now you're just giving re. You're giving hypothetical reasons for why there isn't any evidence. Okay, I didn't argue with that necessarily. I don't know. It's pure speculation. Like, I. I don't know. I think, you know, if you killed 32,000 people in, in Tehran, there'd probably be a lot of evidence. I mean, think about a city, like, even a very big city. Think about New York City. There's a lot of people there. I mean, Tehran's a big city. It's like 9 million people there. Imagine 32,000 people were killed, you know, and what are you guys even alleging, by the way, Rob? They never make it Clear. Are you saying 32,000 people were killed? Like, they were just mowed down, gunned down. So then you're saying bodies everywhere on the streets to get those type of numbers. Bodies everywhere. The whole place would be dead bodies. No one snapped a picture of that. You know what I'm saying? Not one aerial view. I know the Internet was shut down for a little bit. We still got lots of images out of those protests. And then the ones we got are, like, ones with, like, a few body bags behind them and like, okay, yeah, people died. No one's denying people died. But anyway, so the. The thing he's basically saying here is that. So what he's basically saying here is that no, no shred. I. I say no shred of evidence exists that 32, 000 people were killed. And then he says, well, that's false. There are fragments of evidence. Yeah, meaning there's evidence people died, but there's not evidence that 32, 000 of them died. And that's the claim I'm saying is false. No, and we said this on the Rogan Show. Nobody's denying people died. The Iranian government is admitting people died. They said something like 3,000 people. They also said that. That courthouses and police stations and fire stations were in, mosques were, like, burnt and attacked, and that the protesters were violent. Also, the people in the west were claiming that the protests were on the verge of overthrowing the government, which would imply that, yeah, maybe there was some force being used there. Rob. Right. If you're actually revolutionaries who are trying to overthrow a government, you might be using some force. And if I'm not saying the Iranian claim is correct, maybe the number is much bigger than that, but you're alleging it's 10 times bigger than what they said. So when you say, oh, there's fragmented evidence, yeah, there's evidence that people died, there's no question about that. The question is, is there evidence that there's 32,000? And the answer to that is no, there's not.
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Which means it could still turn out to be true. It's just there's no evidence or it hasn't been proven yet. And you're literally reasserting that when you say fragments of evidence, and you couldn't possibly have all the evidence because the regime suppresses that information. So in other words, the 35,000 has not been proven.
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So in other words, what I said, in other words, the President launched a war and told us something that he cannot verify is true.
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B
Right. And just to reiterate, it's not actually a good reason to go to war. And people are playing the fear porn card. It's very reasonable to go, hey, do we actually have evidence that this took place?
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Yes. Yes, that's right. Yes. And. Okay, I mean, we can just kind of like, stop there with it. I don't really know what to say. It's like, it's every, Every single point is just this easy to, like, debunk and shoe aside. But I guess there was just like, look, I'm. It's not. I. I mean, look, maybe part of it is me being petty or something like that, but I do think it's kind of like, important for, for someone in my situation to like, when someone's going like, oh, they're taking down your, like, point by point here to. For. To respond and, like, show people that, like, no, that's actually not happening at all. Like, this is, this is nothing. Like, start from scratch, go over. If you want to do a goddamn huge threat on me or even make a point or something, try taking on what I actually said. For once, just listen to what I actually said and say. Is there anything wrong with that? Like, it'd be one thing if you go, like, like, if someone were to make the point and go, you know, like, even what you said, like, if they were to go, you know, Dave says we don't have evidence, that it's 32, 000. But you should also consider that, like, Iran suppresses evidence and that's a big reason why we don't have a clear picture of whatever happened. Like, okay, fine, that's a, A reasonable enough point, but the conclusion would still be like, we don't really know. And I'm sorry that there's just way too many of these people who, like, even in the. It was in the Time magazine article that I believe was time that, that Joe pulled up on the show. They say in it, they go, it's. It's a source in Iran tells us. So this is all based off a single source they have in Iran. Now. They don't even say, like, a source with access to hospital records or a source with access to morgue records or like, something like that. They're just going, like, we have someone there. This is just. Look, I don't know, guys. After being lied into like, seven wars in a row, don't you see how easy it is for them to get away with saying something like that? And this does become kind of the racket of journalism. Like, in journalism, you have to protect your sources because that's Kind of like the cornerstone of journalism, you know, but then it also opens the door for very easy trickery. You just say, I have a source. And now. And now you can run a story and no one can ever make you say who your source was. You know, like, you're just kind of in a position where you could say, I have a source here, I have a source there. We have this. And then all it takes is having one, you know, one guy in Iran who doesn't like this regime very much, who's come willing to lie. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not even saying that's what happened here, but that's all it takes essentially, to get these type of articles written. And I think. And this is a pattern that's played out many times with other wars, you know, the war hawks are aware of that, and they use people like that. Sometimes those people use warhawks in a way. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's just, again, to my point, you have nothing here. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, and that is Cove Pure. You know, when people think about health, most people think about supplements or diets or workouts, but they ignore the most important basic thing, and that is water. Even mild dehydration impacts energy focus and metabolism. And when you think about all the garbage that's in our water, you're starting behind the curve before you even begin. But Cove Pure changes that immediately. Their Clear Wave technology is certified to remove up to 99.9% of contaminants. Pretty much anything that isn't water. PFAS, microplastics, pharmaceutical residue, fluoride, it all gets removed. It's the purest water you can get. 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You know, I don't know if you notice, we don't even need to play the clip because it's just too stupid. But Donald Trump tweeted, hey, everybody, watch Mark Levin show tonight. And then Mark Levin's show tonight was making the case for why we need ground troops in Iran. And that sure as hell ain't a good sign. But I just, I, I'll say this, if, if there are boots on the ground here, if that is a reality in the next few days or weeks, and, well, I will say that, number one, this is going to be a, this is going to be a disaster. This is going to be really bad if that does happen. And number two, man, Rob, man, will that expose everyone who continues supporting this thing who said all along, oh, there'd never be any boots on the ground? Of course we'd be against that, too. If that does happen, then you're gonna see like a major reveal of who's who in, in the whole media landscape. I don't know. What do you think?
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Well, I think everyone that ever said no boots on the ground was a mixture of wishful thinking or hoping to sell us into this thing and just wanted to get the ball rolling and was more than happy to change tune when it got there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see which one belonged to which group there.
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B
And it's amazing because we basically have the out right now for negotiated settlement, which is that Iran retains or, you know, now has the toll road of the Hormuz Strait. And every other country so wants their oil, they're happy to pay the toll versus having to go and fight Iran. And Iran can now charge for that toll road and get the reparations that it's looking for. And of course, the country that that doesn't work for, because that now means that Iran is not an agent of chaos and they have the ability to be rational and get along with the world and just do business with the rest of the world is Israel, which means we're kind of still just fighting a war for Israel. Now you got a little bit more of an American interest now because we've gotten into this mess of not wanting all of our oil partners to realize that they're in a worse place by us having bases over there or to what extent the petrodollar is really an influence on the American dollar, but more transactions happening in other currencies. So that, but it feels to me like that mess is more easily resolved. The real thing that they just can't have is Donald Trump taking a loss or really us breaking up from Israeli interest. And so it's like, we still just don't need to do this. We don't need to escalate. We could, we could. Tomorrow, Donald Trump could get on the news and go, guys, I got bad intel from the Mossad. We thought that this was gonna, that the, that this was our opportunity to overthrow the regime and we can make the Iranians a better place for the Iranians. I had bad intelligence. And we don't need to have multiple deaths or an escalating war. And so, yes, we're in a worse place. But guess what? I think we can actually get along with these Iranians and I think there's going to be more oil in the world and costs are going to come down. We've got some things to figure out, but I actually think we can make good here and just move on. But he's not going to do it.
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Well, I'll tell you. Yeah, that's the thing, right, Is that you're right. It does seem like, look, there's. If you just stopped now and declare victory or whatever, there's a chance that maybe you could do it. You'd have to pressure Israel to stop and, you know, you'd have to hope that the Iranians would take that deal. And I think there's a reasonable chance that maybe they would because, hey, they are getting hit very hard and they, you know, that like to get that to stop. And they have an easy way that they could claim it's a victory. That's a. But the thing is, right, very clearly Donald Trump doesn't want to do that right now. And Donald Trump, for whatever reason, I mean, I'm not saying if the Iranians came to the table right now, maybe he would want to do that, but given the fact that they don't, he doesn't want to do that. Like, he doesn't want to just stop and declare victory and say it's over, which he could, he could try doing that. And instead he's in this horrible position, which is one of the things that gets, that gets countries sucked into wars, sucked into, like, more and more protracted, you know, conflicts is that. And you see this everywhere. Rob, we were just talking about this when we were hanging out this weekend. But the fucking sunk cost fallacy of war thing really does, like, penetrate people's heads. And it is the worst goddamn form of the sunk cost fallacy, which is like an economic term, you know, for a thing, where you go, you know, if you throw money into a bad investment, you can't feel like, well, I'm this far in now, man, I gotta keep this investment goes like, no, you don't. If that was bad money, don't throw good money after bad money. And you know the, the thing where it's like, if we leave now, our boys died for nothing, you know, like, that's a real thing that really affects people. And no, it's like, no, the truth is those boys already died for nothing. And if you stay in this, more boys will die for nothing. And that's, you know, like it. And I think it, it becomes a very dangerous thing when Trump starts getting into this game of like, fuck, I can't call this a win yet, I got to do another thing. And then we can call it a win, you know, and then does another thing and they respond in a devastating way. And now we can't call it a win anymore. So he's got to do one more thing to call it a win.
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A month ago you could have, I think it was reported, could have taken the deal and they would have wounded, wound down their enriched uranium from the 60% down to the 3% or whatever, whatever it's supposed to be, and get back in the jcpoa. But you had to put the poison pill in there that they need to make themselves easier to invade in the future and give up their ballistic missiles and that they couldn't be an autonomous country and have enriched uranium. And so you decided to gamble on a targeted strike and over overthrowing the regime. It did not work. What's the pathway to victory here and what's still worth a gamble? You've, you've already lost ground, like, and I mean, what are we committing 2 million troops now to actually go in there and have a full World War Three? I mean, are we doing a serious land invasion and you're going to pull a draft and we're going to somehow
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with this fat ass gay country? Is that what you're going to do?
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B
You're going to have an army of 3 million people and you think you're gonna pull that off without a war declaration as you come into the midterms? You think the entire country so supports this war that you're gonna rally the ability of the American people to get behind this. And then what happens when we get more terrorist attacks coming our way because you've done a land invasion of Iran? You know, it's just there's, I don't see any clear path to victory that's worth the cost here. And even though this might be the way, one of the biggest weakenings of the American empire and one of the worst strategic blunders that people still thought we were strong, Iran was willing to walk this back and you know, we still would have had full control over basically the oil business. It's a loss. Just cut the loss.
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Yeah. And it's just nothing like, look, I mean I've, I've seen a lot of wars. I have never seen one like this early into it, only not even two months into the thing. And this administration is just bumbling around, unable to give one coherent reason for why we're there or what's happening. It's over. It's basically been won. But we're going to escalate. We're going to do our biggest bombing campaign. The government's already fallen. They don't have a government. But we got to get that straight of Hormuz open. Well then who's closing it? You know, like, it's just like. What are you talking about, dude? None of it. It's just total. The level of incoherence by which they're selling this thing is. It's unlike anything I've ever seen.
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B
I think I've listened to a month of basically our we, we own their skies and thanks to our targeted strikes, we've wiped out 95% of their munitions. And then as to how it's like a self regenerating last 5% that they continue to need to hit targets when there's only 5% left. And then just on Friday there was a Reuters piece that we can only confirm that we've gotten rid of 30% of their stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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B
And that's confirmed. So who actually knows? But you know, I thought we already won this. I thought that this was already a one war. We already overthrew the regime and they're completely annihilated and they've got nothing to hit us with anymore. And now it's a month later and you're talking about that you need ground troops in order to push this thing forward and escalate it more.
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Well, well, that's right. And look, there's, there's different levels of risk to this particular conflict. This is, again, this is, it's, it's weird in a way because this is a war that, like I've, I've been opposing this war for 20 years. Not publicly, for 15 or whatever, or really publicly with people listening for 10 or whatever it is, but specifically this war, because this has been the neocon's dream. This was the seventh country on the list, you know, and it's always said for many, many years, right? It's like, okay, well the, there's these different levels of issues, right? So the issue is what, like, what's the outcome here? Okay, so the first real threat of the war with Iran, as we've always said, is that they can touch the region, right? That's the goddamn real issue here. And we've seen that play out. We've been proven correct on this. After everybody laughed in our face for all, not everybody, but everyone on the Bad guys team laughed in our face since last summer about how ha, you made it out like it was this big threat. And yeah, it turns out we were right. It is this big threat. It is a big regional threat and it affects the global economy and all this, right? But so then like, even if you somehow take out that rob, like let's say we just do take out enough of their, their ICBMS and enough of their, their drones and it's just like, yo, they can't really do this anymore. They can't really touch the region anymore. It's like, okay, so then you've weakened the regime to that point. What happens after that? How does the war wrap up? Does it wrap up with this regime still in control with an ayatollah and a group of mullahs and an irgc, and then we stop? Because if that's the case, the people are still equally oppressed, a lot more slaughtered than they were before with the same slaughtering type government that you claim they are left there to, to oppress them. And now they're more incentivized than ever to feel like they have to build up to. Because they know Israel is going to be coming back now that they're in this weakened state. They don't have the, you know, missiles and defense and stuff like that. So that's a pretty bad outcome. And then of course the other outcome is that you do end up toppling the regime at that point. And then of course, as we've discussed forever, then, you know, you're dealing with options. And many of those options are not good. And it's a real long shot, a crazy long shot in that scenario to think that something better or something positive is going to come from that and it's much more likely that you create a Libya or a Syria, which is what Israel's plan is. You know, they're quite happy with regime collapse here. And if that's the case, you know, you can call that a win. But how the fuck does any decent human being not animated by the Greater Israel Project feel like that would be great? Oh, now we turned it into Libya. I mean, and I don't know, maybe I'm missing something there, but these are the scenarios. All of them end in Donald Trump being completely ruined.
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B
Cut your losses.
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A
Yep. Yep. All right. Thank you guys very much for listening to the show. We will catch you soon. Like I said, I will be on a plane tomorrow. So we won't have a show regular time tomorrow, but I'll. We'll figure out and. And make up all the episodes. We. We owe. Thank you guys so much for listening. A special thank you to everybody who subscribes over@partoftheproblem.com. rob, what do we got coming up?
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B
I think we got Stanford, Connecticut on April 11, and then Chicago after that. And then down the calendar. I don't know, but I think that's our next.
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A
That's right.
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B
Gigs.
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It is April 11, one night only at New York Comedy club in Stamford, Connecticut. And then April 17th and 18th in Rose Month, April 19th in Chicago. And then after that, we got, we got a bunch of stuff coming up. Tulsa, Oklahoma City. We love that run, Rob. First time ever. We're going to Phoenix, Arizona Desert. The Desert Ridge Improv are fun crowds.
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B
That's a porch store.
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A
I've heard, I've heard great things about Phoenix. And I've never done standup in Phoenix before. And I'm really excited to. To do, to do a weekend out there. And then we'll be at the. We'll be back out in Denver. We're doing the comedy Work south and then doing a weekend at the Comedy Works downtown. Maybe the best weekend of last year, Just one of the best weekends of comedy I've ever had was. Was last year.
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B
We're doing both rooms this year.
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Yeah, we're doing Thursday night. We're doing a show over at the other room. And then Friday and Saturday we're back in the downtown room. And then we got Houston, Huntsville, Alabama, Nashville, Tennessee, Fort Lauderdale, Appleton, Wisconsin. A whole bunch of stuff coming up. Comicdavesmith.com for all those ticket links. Thank you guys very much. And we'll catch you next time. Peace.