B (6:14)

Show in case anyone needed to hear from us. Please don't go on killing sprees. Do not murder innocent civilians. Jewish people around the world do not deserve to be killed at Jewish events just because of what's going on in Gaza and Israel. I don't know. Are there other, other, are there other obvious statements that need to be stated? If not, you get slammed on Twitter. What else do we have to cover? Well, anti Semitism is bad. People that push for anti Semitism should do less of that. Maybe there's too much anti Semitism on Twitter. Muslims that decide to join ISIS and immigrated into countries and then perpetrate terrorist attacks are bad. What else can we get just like a list of like the statements before you address the topic of what needs to be stated.

A (7:01)

Yeah, and you know, it's especially, it's interesting like with all the attempted, you know, like owns about this type of situation, it's like, no, dude, dummy, we're not, we are not caught in a pickle here. Like, this is obvious. It's like for the same exact reason that even if a fucking guy in Hamas comes in and shoots up a bunch of teenagers at a music festival, you're still not Justified in killing some little girl in Gaza because she didn't do anything to you, she's an innocent civilian. And for the exact same reason, no matter what Israel does to the Palestinians, you're not justified. Just opening fire into some goddamn Hanukkah celebration in Australia, like, is that. It's not difficult to come to that. I guess the other thing I, I've seen a bit of online is that of course, as, as just seems to be the new normal there, there's a, a bunch of people who jump to conclusions about, you know, this being a false flag or something like that. And you know, I, I guess I'm like, I'm of two minds about these things. Like, number one, I just don't do that. I don't jump to conclusions because that feels right or that would confirm my bias or something like that. I just don't like doing that. And so I do. I am immediately turned off by people who jump to wild conspiratorial conclusions that aren't based on evidence, particularly when they, they kind of fake this certainty about it. That that's always what kind of gets me. But I also do understand where like, you know, like every single institution, the all encompassing establishment, can only get caught doing horrible things, committing awful crimes and lying through their fucking teeth about it. So before people just start to assume that every big awful event is another example of them doing that. So I do. It's not like I don't have some sympathy for people on that track, but I would just say that with events like this, you know, like, look, blowback, even horrifically unjustifiable blowback is a real phenomenon. And the, you know, the CIA are the ones who coined the term blowback and they didn't coin it because they were trying to like, come up with a, a moral political theory or something like that, or talk about when it's justified to use force or retaliate. They did it just for analytic purposes, just to understand what's going on. And I do think that just like, for all the people jumping on the conspiracies, it's like, no, dude, like, you know, Israel has essentially been, know, whatever. If you want to call it a genocide or you want to just say it's not a genocide, but they're just committing mass slaughter and torture and intentionally inflicting starvation upon a captive people, whatever. In the range of things, you could describe it as, this has been going on for two years, it's broadcast all over the place. And like, there's, there's like a billion And a half Muslims in the world. They're spread all out in different countries, more so than ever, thanks to recent immigration policy. There's also Jews all around in all these groups. And it, like, it's just not that crazy that one of them might just blame the Jews and decide to take out an act of violence on it. Now, I'm not even saying I know that's what the story is here. It seems like that's probably the story. But again, like, just to be clear, like, that can also happen. Not everything has to be an OP or an inside job or a false flag.

B (10:47)

I think it's easy to try and create narratives. There's also a possibility that if nothing happened in Gaza and Israel, there's crazy individuals out there. There are people that gravitate towards isis. There's people that gravitate towards anti Semitism, people that engage in mass shootings. There's a bit of a problem with the narrative here in that it's a bit of a chicken egg, vicious cycle where Jews can point to this and go, you see, this is exactly the Muslim extremist anti Semitism. And, and that's why we have to behave in the way that we do. And you guys are lucky that we're here doing this. And then other people being able to say, no, this is only your reaction to what you're doing. You know what I mean? Like, you can easily, like, try and point either narrative and then say, well, which one came first? Like a chicken and egg thing? Or this might have just been some crazy Muslim, I guess.

A (11:34)

No, look, that's certainly the case, right, but people can make the arguments on both sides. And look, I mean, this is the case with the entire Israel Palestine conflict. Like, each side claims that they're just reacting to the other side, right? So like, Israel will always say, well, look, October 7th, so obviously we had to do all this. But then like, you know, like somebody who's a Palestinian activist could easily say, yeah, but look at this brutal occupation. So obviously we had to do this. Or, or obviously that's why everyone needs.

B (12:03)

To go watch Planet of the Apes. It's just the fear of other.

A (12:06)

Well, but look, I mean, it's hard for me and I think this was something I always like. Just kind of, the more I started reading about the Israel Palestine conflict is that even though both sides can do that, it does just seem to me that one side obviously has a superior claim to that because, like, you could change. It's like, yes, dude, the, the destruction of Gaza, you could say, was a reaction to October 7th, which was a reaction to the, the 60 year occupation, which was a reaction to the 1967 war, which was a reaction to Egypt am its troops on Israel's borders, which was a reaction to Israel's war 10 years earlier with Egypt, which was a reaction to, you know, like, you could go all the way. Which was a reaction to, which was reaction to, which was reaction to, which was a reaction to a bunch of Eastern Europeans deciding that they were going to create a Jewish state in the middle of Arab land and in the process of that ethnically cleansed like 750,000 of them out of their land. That's kind of the real start. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's hard to not look at that on paper and go, no, this one is clear. And likewise, it's like the, the problem. I, I know people say, oh, look at the Barbary wars or something like that, or they'll point to like Islamic, like conquest from like 2000 years ago. But there's no straight line from any of that to the issues that we're dealing with today. And the fact is that America was largely popular in the Middle East. The, the west was not as hated. We, we're dealing with this most recent iteration of this terrorism problem in the same way that the English dealt with the terrorism problem when they tried to dominate the Irish, in the same way that the, the Native Americans violently resisted the, the, you know, the Europeans taken over the continent, slaves violently resisted slavery. I just think it's like kind of, you know. Now look, I'm not saying that's, that's exactly the case in a thing like Australia, but I do think that, like, to your point, yes, it's true there could be crazy people and there could be crazy people who would even do this or something like this, but you drastically increase the likelihood of that. You drastically increase how easy it is to recruit people. Like there's, you know, as, as Scott Horton always likes to talk about the story, right? Muhammad Atta, what Like, it was like Israel like attacked Lebanon and he signed up with Osama bin Laden a week later because they killed like a bunch of kids in their attack. It's like. That is like it or not, this is why I bring up the CIA point. This is just analysis. Like it or not, if you, when you slaughter a bunch of innocent people, that is the type of thing who some men will see and they will decide they're going to go slaughter some innocent people. It doesn't justify it at all but it is kind of a tendency of human nature. And even though we do it with our big sophisticated governments, at the same time, it's kind of the same justification. Right. Like Israel is like, hey, you did October 7th, so we're going to go slaughter a whole bunch of innocent people in the process of our response to that. And it feels a little bit different when you just go out and target them. Like, just there's. You're not even hiding behind the pretense of, like a military operation. But at the same time, in effect, it's the same thing. In intention, it's the same thing. The, the grieving, you know, families of these poor, you know, these poor 15 families in Australia, they're experiencing the exact same thing that a whole bunch of mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters and grandmothers and grandfathers in Gaza have experienced over the last two years. None of it's good. All right, did we, can we move on from that? Did we mention that we're against it? Rob?

B (15:57)

Yes. Don't kill innocent civilians and don't engage in anti Semitism.

A (16:02)

Yeah, yeah. Well, look, I mean, I think, I guess I saw Piers Morgan had some.

B (16:07)

And by the way, and that's not to the exclusion of other things that you shouldn't do, just in case someone reads that as an endorsement of something I forgot on the list.

A (16:14)

Well, I saw Pierce, which was interesting to me, because Piers Morgan, you know, is he. He's played an interesting role in this whole thing. But I saw he had a post that a lot of people were really flipping out about, but where he basically just said that the actions of the Israeli government have made Jews all over the world less safe. And people are really jumping on him and saying that that's some type of like, you know, you know, like blaming the victim type thing. But it's not blaming. It's not blaming the victim. He wasn't blaming Jews everywhere who are less safe over that. I think. I think it's an undeniable, accurate. Go ahead.

B (16:54)

I think since the beginning of what's happened in Gaza, people have tried, in my opinion and in your opinion as well, to pretend that the only reason why people object to it is because of anti Semitism. And you and I have argued, no, you're not allowed to do this, and this is going to cause anti Semitism. And it seems like Piers Morgan is making a similar statement there that, hey, what you guys are doing is so horrible, it's inciting people to this. And let's not pretend like this is just raw Anti Semitism.

A (17:24)

Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's right. And also the other thing, which I have made a point to say several different times over the last couple years, but I'm, I'm like legitimately worried about the threat of terrorism over all this shit. I mean, I think it's crazy. I think like in the United States of America, I mean, it hit Australia here. We've seen, obviously we've seen like mass protests, we've seen incidents of violence and murders and things like that. But the idea that, like, you know, the world knows that we're funding this thing. We are. People are watching in 4K. Just the mass slaughter of Palestinian children and Joe Biden just let like millions of people in the country that are unaccounted for. We got millions of Muslims in this country and there are all types of like, terrorist cells around the world. I think, like, enact and not, I'm not saying a false flag or something like that. I'm saying like just a real deal. Active terrorism is a dangerous possibility and those are part of the costs. As the great Pap Buchanan said, terrorism is the price of empire. And that's, that's essentially what it is. You think you could just dominate people again, like just if you just think about it like in life in any way, like just using like your own human experience and intuition, like you think you could totally dominate anyone in your life and like, there's no repercussions for that. You think you could just, like, if I just, if you just wanted to dominate your child or your girlfriend or your, your, you know, elderly father or whoever. I think there's not going to be like any problems. That's not usually how human beings work. And. Yeah, anyway, okay, so let's, let's move off of this kind of depressing subject. And Rob, Rob Reiner and his wife were killed by his son. So that's nice. It was not. Sorry, go ahead.

B (19:18)

No, no, I, I wouldn't say it's nice.

A (19:21)

Yeah, no, it's, it's, I wouldn't say it's nice either. I agree with you on that. And if I could, if I could speak to Rob Reiner's son, that's what I would say right now. That was not nice. I don't. Listen. Horrible tragedy, obviously a crazy story. Somebody. Rob Reiner really was like a, a staple of American culture for many, many decades. Right. Like, he was, was, he was the son in law on, what's the name of the show?

B (19:52)

Started all in the Family, but he's had A roster of hits and then.

A (19:56)

Just movies and move. Yeah, yeah. It was like crazy long career and like. So for someone that famous to meet an end like that is pretty disturbing. Anyway. Weird. I guess, like, the main thing just to bring it up, though, is just you gotta bring up that Donald Trump tweet, which is, I mean, Jesus Christ, Rob, even for Donald Trump, just the craziest goddamn shit you've ever seen in your entire life.

B (20:17)

Yeah. I mean, when someone's murdered by their own kid, I think it's a time for class. And I say that as a rotten comedian. And even if a comic had tweeted something along those lines, I probably wouldn't say anything publicly, but in conversation, I'd be like, dude, what's wrong with this person? And so when Donald Trump is taking as an opportunity to make the backhanded. No one cared about this guy, and he was a despicable or, you know.

A (20:44)

He died of tds, like, just.

B (20:47)

Oh, yeah, it's. I mean, I would say it to a comic, but particularly of the President. You got to have a little bit of class.

A (20:56)

It's. It's really wild, dude. And it also, I don't know, it just showed something about how out of touch Donald Trump is. It's just like, wait, what, dude? You thought in this situation that joke would land. It's just so bizarre. And again, it does. Look, man, I mean, I'll tell you, I got a pretty thick. Pretty thick skin or for criticisms of myself on, you know, on online or whatever. You know, if you're in this business, you're just. You're gonna take a lot of, you know, different types of, you know, criticism and. Sure, that's. That's fine. But, man, I will say one Rob, that does kind of get to me is when I will see it where people, like, when I. Because I'm just very harsh on Donald Trump, particularly these days, and people go, oh, Dave's TDS is showing again. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's my Trump derangement syndrome, Rob. And it's just. It's unbelievable because it's like, you, you, you. First of all, nobody has been fairer to Donald Trump than me. I've just hit him for the shit that he deserves to be criticized for. But of all these other guys, like, of all these guys, and, you know, I don't even know what the answer is, but I know the answer, Rob. But all the. Watch all of these political content, political commentators and. And. And YouTube, you know, podcasters and all this. Watch any of, like, the the pro Trump pundits tell me they were as good as me. And you were on Russia Gate, like, as good at the time of batting all that down. Half these. Half these guys who are the, you know, the. The ones sucking Donald Trump's dick, saying he's the. The first Jewish president or whatever, half of them were never Trumpers. Bought into Russiagate, pushed Russiagate, you know, like, it's just. No, dude, I. I've been like, me and you were, like, through his entire rise, whether it was him being framed as a Russian spy, whether it was the ridiculous, like, Ukraine gate January 6th. Immediately on January 6th, like, we. We defended them against all the bullshit attacks when the corporate media was coming at him. But then, like, I'm sorry, there are these other very legitimate attacks. Like, you're going to tell me that if I'm, like, pissed off that Donald Trump kept Anthony Fauci on the job through all of 2020 and made him the face of the COVID pandemic response when he could have fired him and just selected any other epidemiologist, any other virologist to do the job, that. What. That's not a legitimate criticism. Should he. Should he have been championing lockdowns into the summer of 2020 and. And, like, mocking, you know, Sweden for not locking down and talking about how much they were gonna, you know, how many deaths they were going to be facing? So, like, I don't know. We had. Anyway, the point is, we're not the one. You're the one with the fucking derangement syndrome, dude. If you think this tweet isn't, like, I was gonna say in poor taste. That's such an understatement. Like, tasteless, just disgusting, dude. And again, Rob, you're not, you know, being a comedian, if you're trying to make a joke, even a really, really dark joke, there is a certain license that you have for that. I don't give a shit what you try. Like, dude, you're the President of the United States of America. Just on some human level, a couple, an old married couple, were murdered by their own child. And you think, like, you're such a goddamn delusional narcissist that the only thing you think about in that moment is yourself. There's literally nothing other than the fact you go, he was a big critic of me, and that's what you get. And then you're gonna go, blast that. I don't know, dude. Just come on. If you can't. If you can't at least just admit you, like if it was politically convenient for you, one of your political opponents did that, you'd be like, oh, what a piece of. What a. What a godless, soulless monster. I don't know, it's just horrible.

B (24:54)

Or maybe Trump concerns for the safety and well being of all Americans and he's letting you know that unless you pledge your full allegiance to Donald Trump and you can open up your eyes to how wonderful the economy is, to why we need this war in Venezuela.

A (25:08)

Yeah, that's right.

B (25:08)

And to all these other causes, you won't be at risk of being murdered from your own children. So honestly, he's doing us all a favor and letting us know about the harms that can come our way if we don't pledge allegiance to the Donald Trump agenda and quit criticizing the incredibleness and the greatness that he's already brought our country. That can only be greater if we follow more of his whims and common sense.

A (25:31)

I know, right? Like, it's just we're, we're just supposed to walk into a war with Venezuela and, and celebrate the whole thing or something, which we'll probably talk more about Venezuela over the next, the next few days, our whenever, exactly. The next podcast comes out. Sorry about that, guys. Not exactly sure. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. I love Ridge. Love the Ridge wallet. It's the coolest wallet I've ever owned. I was an old school leather bound wallet guy for many years, as I'm sure some of you are, carrying around receipts from the 80s and all types of credit cards that I think had expired already, but I just still had in my wallet. And then I got myself a Ridge. It's a minimalist wallet. It's really sleek and cool. They got a bunch of different designs. They, they all look awesome and all. It carries everything you need. Your cash, your cards, your id and that's all you need every time you pull it out. 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And we just haven't done an episode since then. So I haven't really responded to it. So I thought briefly, I would say it was an interesting kind of turn of events. So Megan had hinted that she had something to say about Candace and Erica Kirk, but that she didn't want to say it yet. When I was on with her, I think it was on Friday. And so anyway, we figured out what that was, which is that she had been instrumental in organizing the two of them meeting up. But. So Megyn Kelly had me on the show. She. So Megyn Kelly has me on the show and she opens up with like a 15 minute monologue, essentially talking about how she thinks Tyler Robinson is the killer and that all these conspiracies are wrong and that, you know, people don't really know what they're talking about. There's a reason why we haven't gotten more information. There's a reason why there are gag orders, the process is going forward, and blah, blah, blah. No, I'll be completely honest. I thought what she said was pretty reasonable. I did make a couple, like, points when I first came out that, like, I was like, well, you know, the presumption of innocence is a thing, so we should all treat this like Tyler Robinson is innocent until the state can prove their case. Let's hope there's cameras in the courtroom and have an open process here as much as possible. And then I went off on how, you know, the reason why nobody trusts the government anymore and nobody trusts this Justice Department. And she couldn't. She didn't disagree with any of that. But so anyway, I guess in effect, what ended up happening as I'm watching the. The response to this episode is that here's Megan Kelly, who, first of, has just always been cool to me over the years. I've always really liked Megan Kelly. I think she. She's somebody who I probably disagree with on several important issues. As she said, she's very pro Israel. I certainly, obviously disagree with her on that. But she has really Gone out of her way. I think, to be fair to me personally, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk when he was still alive. And of course there's. Anyway, so I really like Megan, I thought. And I didn't think there was anything too unreasonable that she said in that interview, but. So what ends up happening, Rob, as you've probably seen this dynamic before, I half like the whole Zionist half of her. The. The whole Israel lobby flips out that she's having me on. So she's taken a ton of. From them just for hosting me. Like even before the episode was out, when she just tweeted that she's having me on today, all the, you know, usual suspects are out there. How could you. Platform self hating Jew, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then she's taken also a whole bunch of heat from the conspiracy, you know, the people who buy into the Charlie Kirk conspiracy for saying that she thinks Tyler Robinson did it. So anyway, I'm just watching her get heat from kind of both sides for doing absolutely nothing wrong. And I think for being. So I did want to just say Megyn Kelly's cool. You guys are out of your mind. Like, even you guys who, like, I'd say at least to the people more on my broadly speaking side of this. Like, even if you think Israel killed Charlie Kirk or you think there's some crazy conspiracy involved here, okay, Megyn Kelly's still the one who hosted Charlie Kirk and had that amazing show where they both talked about all the pressure he was under and all that shit. So like just in the. In the grander scheme of this game. Give her a break. There's a lot of people who are really shitty. She's kind of gone out of her way to be at least fair. I don't know, thought I would just say something like that. I like Megyn Kelly. I side with her against. Against the horde. Sorry, I just wanted to get that out.

B (30:52)

People. You're one of these characters that people like to censor and then criticize for. For being platform, which obviously I don't think you have any views that should be censored. And it's a ridiculous game. The. Hey, don't talk to that person.

A (31:09)

There's. Did you know this, Rob? Because I wanted to see. So Josh Hammer. I ended up trashing Josh Hammer when I was on the show. And then I did.

B (31:16)

I did see that clip. And he fully deserves it.

A (31:19)

Yes. Well, so it. He's easy to trash. And then I didn't know she was gonna enjoy it as much as I did, but then she got in there and started trashing him too. And he, he referred to me as a. He made a response. I haven't watched it, but someone just sent me this. Oh no, I'm sorry, I did watch this. Someone sent me the clip, but then they also sent me the, the quotes. He called me. I've never heard this before, Rob. So I had to look this up to find out what it means. But he called me a self hating Hellenized Jew. And I was like, Hellenized, like Helen of Troy. Like, what does a hellenized Jew mean? Have you ever heard that before, Rob?

B (32:01)

I have not. It's a first.

A (32:03)

Okay, so this is what, this is what I got when I looked it up. In Jewish history, a quote. Hellenized Jewish often refers to Jews who assimilated into Greek secular culture, sometimes at the expense of traditional Jewish law, identity or religious practice. So I don't know why. I just. First of all, it's so funny for like, of all people, for Josh Hammer to have a problem with me being platformed. Like you gotta have a certain amount of entitlement to, to like. I've debated Josh Hammer twice and I smoked him both times. This is not like I've had debates where I've smoked people. Debates where they were close that. Debates where some people thought, no, even like no one's saying Josh Hammer won either of those goddamn debates. He just got smoked in both of them. It's like the nerve of you to go debate someone, have nothing for them and then still pretend that they shouldn't get platformed. But then on top of that, imagine again, Rob, just like the, the unbelievable lack of self awareness. So like in this environment, that's your criticism of me? That I'm a hellenized Jew? Your criticism is what? That I'm an American first? Is that really, that's really the big criticism of me. But this Dave Smith doesn't even prioritize, doesn't even prioritize loyalty toward a foreign country because they call themselves the Jewish state. It's amazing that you just say that part out loud. That that's actually your beef with me. Your beef with me is that while I'm Jewish and while I don't have anything bad to say about Jewish people or Jewish culture or the Jewish religion or the Jewish tradition, in fact, I see a lot of beauty in all of those things. While I don't have anything bad to say about that, I'm still bad because I don't prioritize my identity as Jewish above my country, above My community, I don't like. It really is like this, this very bizarre supremacy that you're actually angry at someone else. Why? Because in my, in my day to day life, in my community, I don't think of myself as like the other, separate, perhaps above, perhaps chosen over the rest of my community. No, I just look at it like, I don't know, we're a bunch of families trying to raise our kids and we're all kind of in the same. Our kids go to school together and they play baseball. Like, I don't know. Isn't that a weird criticism to have rob a hellenized Jew?

B (34:41)

The second you read that definition, I was thinking exactly what you ended up saying, which is that doesn't sound very American. First to go, hey, this guy, he's too Americanized, so you shouldn't listen to his opinions.

A (34:54)

Yeah, I mean, just have the balls to say it then. Josh Hammer. I mean, look, dude, you're not. No matter how, how much you try to fool people, no one thinks you're that smart. So just be honest at least, right? Like, you're not. You're not the guy who's got a huge audience. You're not the guy who's moving the masses. You're not the guy who's winning debates. No matter how much you try to pretend you're not the guy who's counseling other people on how to win debates or move the needle, you don't do that. So at least just tell the truth. Go. I'm Jewish first. If you're going to criticize other people for being a hellenized Jute, seems to me like that would be fair. Now listen, this is the definition that I came up with when I looked at it. I don't know what the hell else it's supposed to mean, but. So that's, I don't know, I just thought it was, that was wild. And I saw the way he's going after Megyn Kelly. Super vicious with her. He's so butt hurt. And it's just like, dude, like, I don't know what to say. Dude, you're not on. Like, Josh Hammer is in this conversation just to be a punching bag. He's not really in this conversation. Josh Hammer doesn't have an audience like Megyn Kelly or Candace Owens. Doesn't have an audience like us. Like, I, I don't know.

B (36:02)

Anyway, it's so bad when I guess you can work the formal corporate scene and be the editor of Newsweek and thinking, man, do I have the credentials that everyone's Going to sit down and be like, what does this guy have to say? But the second you go on the Internet and people don't really care about what their credentials are, it's more the arguments you can present, how well you can present them. You just get reduced to zero in that arena. And I could see why that really messes with the dude's mind.

A (36:32)

I remember experiencing this a lot in the libertarian world. When I first kind of, when the podcast first started taking off, there'd be all these people at, like, at Reason, at Cato, within the Libertarian Party. These people just like hated my guts. And it was always just obvious that the reason they resented me so much. And like, you can kind of understand why this is bad, but they'll be like, dude, I've been a professional libertarian for 26 years. I worked at Cato. I was an intern. Then I got promoted to this, that, then I got this thing. Then I, you know, oversaw all Eastern studies or whatever, you know, and like, they're like, dude, I'm in the Libertarian Party. They'd be like, dude, I'm the church share of the whatever state Libertarian Party. And you're telling me you get to just skip all of those steps and be way more influential in this world than me? And it's like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's like, look, I get, I get why you feel like you put in your dues and so you deserve a little bit more respect, but at the same time, why is that actually correct? Why is it correct that because you were able to ask kiss some gatekeeper and. And I wasn't, that you therefore deserve to be further up ranks than me? And I don't care how much time you spent at the Cato Institute writing policy papers that never got implemented anyway. Why the hell shouldn't the guy who just has a message that resonates with the audience get more influence than you? Now it seems to me like the new system's a lot more fair than the old system. But you know, I am a bit biased. That is a, a bit self serving, I guess, for me to, to feel that way, but does seem, does seem fair to me. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like driving a car without insurance. You might be a great driver, but with all the crazy people on the road these days, why would you take that risk every time you connect to an encrypted network in CAFES hotels, airports, etc. Your online data is not secure. Any hacker on the same network can gain access to and steal your personal data, passwords, bank logins, credit cards, etc. And your data is valuable. Hackers can make up to $1,000 per person selling personal info on the D web. But with ExpressVPN, you're totally secure. It would take a hacker with a supercomputer over a billion years to get past the ExpressVPN's encryption. It's very easy to use. It works on all devices, phones, laptops, tablets, and more. So you can stay secure on the go. ExpressVPN is rated number one by Top Tech reviewers like CNET and the Verge. Secure your online data today by visiting expressvpn.com problem that's E X, P R E S s v p n.com problem to find out how you can get up to four extra months for free. ExpressVPN.com problem all right, let's get back into the show. Yeah. Anyhow. Yeah, I just. I guess what with Josh Hammer, with all of them, when they reveal themselves, which they often do. What's always crazy to me about it is just the, like, this narcissism I get. Just the. The chutzpah, Rob. The chutzpah of, like, thinking that you're in a position to get. To dictate who Megyn Kelly has on her show. You know, like. Like Megyn Kelly. Look, I mean, I'm. I'm somebody at this point. Whatever. Like, we got a pretty big show. We got. I don't even know how many, but we got several hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube, and we get good views on Spotify and Rumb wherever. You know, I'm on Rogan and Tucker and Candace and PBD and Tim Pool, and I'm on all, like, the. The biggest, like, political shows. It's like, Megan Kelly wants to have me on.

C (40:23)

Oh.

A (40:24)

Oh. But Josh Hammer objects. Who the are you, son? Sit down. You're not in that realm. You're not in the top tier of people who, like, have the biggest audiences, who are the most relevant in this space. You're some dude. You're some dude. Like, literally, you're known because you were in the room with Charlie Kirk, and I smoked you twice in a debate. That's why people know who you are. That's it. It's some job at Newsweek. Nobody cares anyway. It's. It's like, we. We respect that about as much as, like, a conservative would be. Like, oh, you. This guy had A job at Planned Parenthood. This guy, this guy was, was, you know, appointed by Obama to be the Board of Green Energy for some department like. Oh, okay. That don't impress none of us. Anyway. All right, let's. Let's move on to play some of these clips of Donald Trump the other day, which this really was. Quite a spectacle, huh, Rob? So Donald Trump, we've got him with Miriam Adelson, his biggest donor, and a few more, one, one with Mark Levin. Let's, let's play in, in no particular order, I think we got three clips here. Let's, let's play these and go through it.

C (41:36)

As President of the United States, I will always support Jewish Americans. And I was always, I will always be a friend and a champion to the Jewish people. I have been. And I will say, you know, if you go back 10, 12, 15 years ago at the most, the strongest lobby in Washington was the Jewish lobby. It was Israel. That's no longer true. You have to be very careful. You have a Congress in particular, which is becoming anti Semitic. You have AOC plus three. You have those people. Ilhan Omar, she hates Jewish people. And you have to be very careful because there's been a big change.

A (42:24)

By the way. Can you just pause it for a second? I just love when he says this part out loud. There's one thing about Donald Trump you got to appreciate is that he'll say this. Every other president, much like the tweet after Rob Reiner, every other president that's ever existed would have gone. I'm not supposed to say this part out loud. This is the thing I'm supposed to keep from everybody else. But Donald Trump will just start it. First of all, if we could just run some numbers on this real quick. So Donald Trump goes. You know, the Jewish lobby used to be the most powerful lobby. They're not anymore. Dude, I mean, look at this. Congress you got got AOC plus three. You got Elon Omar, by the way. That's one of the plus three. So if you're keeping up, so far, we're up to four, right? Okay, 535 seats. It's giving you four. There's four critics of Israel. I mean, whatever. We could throw Thomas Massie and, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Rand Paul on a good day in there. But what are you up to here? A little over a handful. What? Oh, yeah. Then we have, we have the other 520. That's how anti Israel our Congress is, Rob. But I don't know. Yeah, just. How can you openly say There's a lobby on behalf of a foreign country that used to be all powerful. And you see the problem is, Rob, now they're only almost all powerful. We got a real issue on our hands here. America First. America first.

B (44:02)

Yeah. There's something even just cringe about the President being up there. Like, I stand with all Jewish. We don't live in a climate of real deal anti Semitism that I think warrants like, I don't know if he was up there going off about the Indians of America or any other subculture. I'm a little bit like, why is this going on from the White House? I understand Christian events, you know, that's the majority of the country. And most of the presidents pretend to be good, wholesome Christians. So I understand like a Christmas lighting. But even just like the placating or grand gestures towards the subgroup, I don't know, there's something about it that is a little off to me.

A (44:43)

Yeah, no, I completely agree. And I think that obviously, like, there's a whole, you know, the look, the Israel slash Israel lobby slash Jewish question type stuff is. It is the most like third rail issue in our politics. There's really not anything else that gets more of a, like, I don't know, like a charge out of talking about it. And for many years there was very, very tight control over it. You'd lose your job if anyone even brought any of this stuff up. And, and it's in, in a very kind of unsustainable way because it's like even what Donald Trump's saying right now, you could say it if you're for it. You could say the Jewish lobby has complete control over the United States of America. If you're Donald Trump and you're praising it, you'll notice Josh Hammer, Ben Shapiro, Douglas Murray. None of these guys are going to be offended over Donald Trump saying this, Right? It's okay to say it if you're for it, but if you say it and you're against it, all the guys I just named hate your fucking guts. Even if they agree with you on everything else. You could have if I had Barry Weiss's identical politics down to every single issue except that I was against the Israel lobby, she'd hate my fucking guts. Right? So, like that's the. And so that's. And now their mechanism of control is gone. And so there's a real charge. There's a lot of people are saying the most anti Jewish thing they can think of. A lot of people are having fun trolling and joking about it. And so that makes it easy for people to go. And then if you have an incident like you have in Australia or like a few things you've had in Europe, people go, oh my God, look at this. You know, we live in that from the perspective of two American Jews, we're kind of like eh, this is not exactly a society turned against Jewish people. Everything's still kind of fine, broadly speaking. So anyway, I guess that's a big part of the disconnect. By the way, I should say. I just got Dave decamp just texted me as were on the show with his piece that evidently a source is saying that Donald Trump is going to announce war with Venezuela tonight. So that's the piece running@antiwar.com assuming I am still in one piece. Maybe I will try my best to get Dave on the show to talk about this tomorrow. But anyway, just wanted to update that piece of information. Let's go back to this, this clip and then we can discuss.

C (47:07)

I'm not Jewish, but my father was very friendly with many, many Jewish people, was honored by Federation. I would go with him to Federation of Jewish Philanthropies and many other things. And we grew up respecting and loving Jewish people. You know, you don't even think about it in Brooklyn and Queens mostly. And my father didn't go to Manhattan. He never went to Manhattan. From the standpoint, he could never understand how in Brooklyn you could buy a piece of land for $3 a foot and how in Manhattan you had to pay $1,000 a foot. He said, I can't get that. I don't like it. I like to buy it for three. So it was different. It's a different thinking. In a way, I'm glad he didn't do that because he let me have some of that fun. And it was. I had a lot of fun in Manhattan. We did great. But my father would tell me the most powerful Keep. Pause a second that there is in this country.

B (48:04)

Was that a Jews are cheap joke? I mean I'm not sure I'm practically Jewish because my, my dad, you know, he wouldn't pay $10.

A (48:13)

I'm not technically Jewish, but my dad was cheap as. So like I kind of get it right. You throw in a synagogue visit and that's pretty much the whole thing. I mean he's not far off. All right, let's keep going.

C (48:27)

Is the Jewish lobby. It's the Israeli lobby. It's not that way anymore. You have a lot of people in your way. You have a lot of people that don't want to help Israel. You have a lot of people in Congress that don't like Israel. You have a lot of people in Congress that, in a way, I think, Mike, we could say it right. You're there. You're doing an amazing job. Mike Lawler. They hate. They hate Israel. They hate Israel. And if you would have told me 15 years ago that that was possible, Jason, I would have said there's no way. There's no way that's possible. But it's happening. And obviously it's getting progressively worse, less so in the Senate, but the Senate's starting also. You get glimmers, you know, when I'm in the back rooms talking to people, you get glimmers of statements that you say, whoa, where did that come from? So we have to be.

A (49:18)

Just pause it for a second.

C (49:20)

We have to be very careful.

A (49:22)

You get glimmers of statements like, where'd that come from? Like, the statements are probably like, they sure are killing a lot of kids with those weapons we just gave him. You're like, yo, dude, easy on the Jew hatred. Anyway, whatever. I mean, that's the essence of the clip there. But Donald Trump just openly being like there, it's just too wild. You can't even. You can't even believe he says it out loud. And he's like, look, dude, there's this foreign lobby used to control us, and now it's, you know, I mean, obviously, policy wise, it's still controlling us, but, like, you know, there's dissent, Rob, for the first time, there's dissent over this. Who the hell believes that? Who would possibly think that the most powerful lobby in the country, in Donald Trump's words, being a lobby of a foreign government is a good thing. I could, I could see, like, there being a powerful lobby and you thinking that that's a good thing. You know, from whatever perspective you have, if you're, if you're a gun nut, you know, if you're. Or. Or just not. Don't mean that in a negative way. I mean, that is a high compliment, but, like, I don't know, me. And you don't believe in gun restrictions. So, like, if there was. I mean, the NRA is not the best example, but if the nra, let's just say, was a little bit better than they are, and let's say they were the most powerful group, you go, yeah, but I think that's good because they're protecting the Second Amendment or something like that. Or even if you're like a, you know, whatever. If you, if you're pro choice, and there was a, A, A, you know, a pro choice lobby, and you were happy that they were the most powerful lobby. At least that's coherent, you know, but even if you support a foreign government, you should never want their lobby to be the most powerful lobby. Because obviously, even in any example, take any friendly government, Britain or something like that, you know, okay, well, you may be like, hey, we should work with them, we should support them. They're a strong ally. But you would never say, Rob, that there couldn't possibly be a situation where our interests diverge. There couldn't possibly be a situation where there were British interests on this one hand and then American interests that were contrary to those interests on the other hand. And so you wouldn't want a lobby just dedicated to supporting the UK to be the number one lobby. Right? Am I missing something here? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Proton Drive. If you are tired of big tech snooping through your files, switch to Proton Drive. It's end to end encrypted cloud storage trusted by over 100 million people worldwide, so only you can access your photos, work and personal files. It's free to sign up and it supports our show when you do. Proton Drive lets you backup, organize and share files securely without anyone not even Proton, being able to read them. It's like Google Drive, but fully private and based in Switzerland, where your rights are protected by some of the world's strongest privacy laws. From photos to docs to creative projects, Proton Drive keeps everything safe with end to end encryption, no ads, no AI training and no data leaks. And the best part, it's free to start. So head on over to Proton me Dave Smith to sign up today. That's Proton me Dave Smith. All right, let's get back into the show. I think you're muted.

B (52:37)

I said checks out. To me, that's definitely a fair argument. There's no reason why a foreign government should be the number one lobby in the United States of America.

A (52:45)

Yeah, really. All right, let's, let's move to the next clip of Donald Trump here because there's a couple other good ones.

C (52:54)

Miriam Adelson, you want to come up here? Come up here. Miriam gave my campaign indirectly and directly, 250 million. She was number one. When somebody can give you 250 million, I think that we should give her the opportunity to say hello. And Miriam, make it quick because 250 million is not what it used to be. All right?

B (53:24)

You got to you can go first, but yeah, that needs a pause.

A (53:27)

Go ahead. You go ahead.

C (53:28)

Well, all right.

B (53:29)

I mean, this is just my nerd in me, but the fact that even he's gonna admit inflation and that $250 million isn't what it used to be. So you can talk, just not that long. I thought that that was incredible. But then also just the, hey, you can buy a ticket to come speak at the White House. It's one of those things that's not supposed to be said out loud. Hey, if someone gives me this much money, then, yes, I will publicly show you that you can buy influence, the United States of America. Now please take the stage and take your bow for having spent money purchasing influence.

A (54:01)

Listen, let me just say, because obviously I agree with you, but let me just say that there is, I do find it to some degree useful for me and you to make our point by having someone like Donald Trump who just says the quiet part out loud. I do find that more useful. And one of the things about Donald Trump, right, this has always been the dynamic, is that, you know, so he'll say something like this, and you could almost hear a Democrat being like, whoa, Donald Trump admits you got 200. But the thing is, like, I don't know, Rob, you ever see. It's been, it's been years since I read up on this, but I'm right about this. You can go look it up that I think it was WikiLeaks who dumped the emails. But you ever see how Citigroup picked Barack Obama's cabinet? Like, they got the email from Citigroup being like, this is who the cabinet's going to be and it's exactly who Barack Obama's cabinet is. Or almost like. Like almost exactly. Right? So, like, this has been going on for a long time. You know, like, yes, people buy off politicians and the government does the. The bidding of very powerful private interests. Now, before any you socialists out there think that that's a reason to socialize the economy, you're wrong. That's not how it works. We need a market system. We need prices. It's the only way we don't all starve to death. And since you have the problem of where a market system where you don't all starve to death does create very rich, powerful people, that's why you want the government to be very limited, so they don't have anything much to buy off. That being said, how exactly, with the exception of people like me, can point to it and explain how corrupt the whole goddamn system is. How exactly is this preferable to the swamp? How is this not the swamp? How this. So that's. Is that really what we supported Donald Trump for? Because you went, well, Donald Trump said, all the rest of them are the swamp. But they won't admit it. But I'll admit it. I'll tell it right to your face that, yeah, you could buy an embassy move, you could buy us bankrolling a war. You could buy us launching a war on another country. And you know what the price is? $250 million. Now, Rob, that's not as much as you think, because we've printed a lot more than $250 million over the last few years. Let me tell you something. Just take Biden out of it, and Biden was a pretty bad offender. But just Trump's first and second term, they've printed more money than any other administration to take Biden out of it. So why is it that that 250 million ain't worth what it used to be? Because of you, dude. But at the same time, and by the way, what all Trump's advocating is that the Fed print more money, lower interest rates, even more. And so if they had printed as much as he wanted, we'd be in even worse shape. She'd have had to give him 500 million. But, yeah, Rob, what can you say? It's like just all the parts that he admits out loud. He goes, there's a lobby for a foreign country. It used to totally control our government. It doesn't completely control our government anymore. And that's a bad thing. Their biggest advocate here gave me $250 million. By the way, you remember how I've told you she prefers Israel to the United States of America? She gave me $250 million. So she gets to speak up here, and she also gets the policy she wants. There you go. Yeah, let's keep playing.

C (57:15)

Okay. Hello, darling. Come on. Incredible woman with a great husband, a man that loved Israel.

A (57:30)

Pause it there for a second. Didn't it? Isn't it a great way? He couldn't even get who Loved his country out. Couldn't even get it out of his mouth. That's a go. A great man who loved Israel. That's right. Sheldon Richmond, her late husband is on tape. You could find this where he said that his biggest regret in life was that he wore the US Military uniform and not the IDF uniform. Great man who loved Israel. Let's keep playing.

D (58:04)

Mr. President, when you were in the Israeli parliament and you gave a speech and you saw me from far away. You called. And at that time I came with a scooter to the Parliament just to hear you. I wanted to hear you alive. And then you say, miriam Adelson. And I stood for a second, but it was so painful. So I said, then you screamed, miriam, stand up. And I wish you would have known, but I stood up and heard all your compliment and thank you very much.

C (58:34)

I saw you back there standing. Yeah, she's standing bravely.

D (58:39)

And now I met Alan Dovich, and he said the legal thing about four more years. And I say, alan, I agree with you. So we can do it. Think about it.

C (58:52)

Alan's here someplace. Where's Alan?

D (58:54)

Alan is here. Oh, he had a flight. Think about.

C (59:03)

Thank you. She said, think about it. I'll give you another 250. But her husband Sheldon was an amazing guy. And he'd come up to the office, and there was nobody more aggressive than Sheldon. I think I spent more time with him and you, because you usually came up together. But he'd call and say, can I come over, please? I say, sheldon, I'm President of the United States. It doesn't work that way anymore. It's like, maybe tomorrow. How about tomorrow? No, no, no, Please, just for a little while. And I would. He'd always say, 10 minutes. It turned out to be about an hour and a half. Right? And what he did is he fought for Israel. That's all he really fought for. Just wanted to take care of. He just wanted to take care of Israel. So he was a great guy.

A (59:52)

Turn it off. That's all I wanted to get to. We can skip the Mark Levin one, which was silly. That's all he cared about was he fought for Israel. Trump's own words. Go ahead, Rob.

B (60:00)

But can you hear better evidence of conspiracy? So the largest donor can call up the President of the United States of America, and he could be like, dude, I know you gave me some money, but I got other things to work on. No, I have to come over now. It'll be 10 minutes, and then he can stay for an hour and a half and advocate for his cause. And then you can have two years later, very favorable policies for the exact cause that that single donator donor showed up and spent money for, and then told the president, hey, this is important to me, all right?

A (60:30)

This is. This is a country. And what is the cause, man? It's not even something that you could. It's not like his cause is the interstate highway project or something, where at least there could be a debate about whether we should you know, revamp American infrastructure or something like that. Because the foreign country, which in effect, Right, like this. Cause of. Of this foreign country, at least over the last two years, has included, you know, killing a hundred thousand people or so and destroying an entire strip of land and entire people, presumably still to force them out and not let them back in. I mean, who exactly knows what's going to happen, which is largely unpopular with the American people. And like, I gotta say, dude, it's. It really is like, it's astounding that Trump admits all of this out loud. But look, this is all just so ridiculous, so goddamn ridiculous. He's sitting there saying that literally. Look, I mean, it's like, I'm not adding much to it. To go. He goes, the Israel lobby used to control everything. They don't control everything anymore. It's a big problem. But you know what? They still control me. Let me just make that very clear. I am completely controlled by the Israel lobby. What do you want me to say? He's saying, they gave me $250 million a year. They may give me another $250 million to unconstitutionally attempt a third term. And they come. Every goddamn day, they come, hey, Rob, that 250 mil don't come for free. You know, and that's, by the way, that's not. This isn't including the 100 million that Sheldon gave Donald Trump in his first run, or at least his first run and the midterm, something like that, it's like in. In the hundreds of million, you know, back then it was worth more. So, like, it's. So he's going, yeah, they give me hundreds of millions of dollars, but that doesn't come free. They then require to constantly be seeing me asking for something else. And what are they asking for? Rob Israel. And so I do it now. All I'm saying is in the background, in the background, where people like Tim Pool are saying that Candace Owens is the reason why the Republicans are going to lose the midterm, or where Matt Walsh is saying that Charlie Kirk being assassinated is the reason why there's so much division in the right amongst Donald Trump's base, I would humbly submit to you. Well, first I guess I would make a humble request, and then I would humbly submit an idea. The humble request is that you guys join me over here in reality. And the humble submission is that this is what it's about. This is what it's about. This is indefensible insanity that nobody who calls themselves America first wants, nobody who means it, when they call themselves America first wants this. And Donald Trump has at every single turn and made it it quite clear that he sides with them. Like, look, there's people like me who supported Donald Trump in this last election who have totally turned on him. Him. I never get my support for anything again. A disaster this whole thing is. And there's people like, say, Tucker Carlson hasn't done that. Tucker Carlson still kind of supports the president and I think still wants to support JD Vance in the next election. But just think about the, like, think about the millions of people who listen to Tucker Carlson, listen to Candace Owens, you know, who, like, think about, like how big their audiences are and what a slap in the face it is for him to sit here and let you know publicly that like, no, I side with Mark Levin. You know, the guy, the guy who's like coming at all of us, just trash talking us and then getting ratioed out of his mind on Twitter because no one's on his side anymore. Well, I'm on that guy's side. I side with the Israel lobby. While support for Israel is evaporating, while our country is continuing to be degraded, my priority is this foreign country doing a very controversial thing that most people have a problem with. It's just too crazy, Rob. Anyway, I guess we'll, we'll wrap up there. Guys, I do apologize. This week has been a bit of a mess in the Smith household. But we'll be getting back up on our feet soon and I'll get you as many episodes as I can. All right, Catch you later. Peace.

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