Robbie the Fire Bernstein (7:32)

If I'm ever 90 and haven't made enough money that I still have to do porches and interact with people, please put me down.

Dave Smith (7:39)

Okay, fair enough. I will. But he seemed to be having fun.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (7:42)

Yeah, no, that's incredible to be 90 years old and still want to engage with people like that. I can't imagine being 90, having a birthday and be like, I will have the fans over to my house to celebrate and I will share a message about the Fed. That's. I think that's just a testament to his character.

Dave Smith (7:59)

Yes. I could not agree more.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (8:01)

When you said Ron Paul's son, are you referring to Rand or is there.

Dave Smith (8:05)

No, no, no. There's a different son. Different son. Rand. Rand was not there. He sent like a video message and. But Rand wasn't there. But. No, it was a different one of his other sons. Yeah, he's got like five kids, but. And then I think they got like 20 something grandkids. You know, that's how it works if you have a big family and then your kids have a big family. By the time you get to grandkids, you're like, you're forgetting names and stuff. It's tough. It's a, it's a. You got to get like, I don't know, some type of list going. Anyway. Okay, so there's. We, we should open with. I guess there's two stories. So if you haven't, if you, if you weren't aware, Rob, America is involved in two proxy wars and neither of them are going great. So that's the, that's just to get you caught up if you're not up to speed. But there's been some pretty major developments in both the war in Ukraine and Israel's destruction of Gaza. And so let's, let's do Ukraine first just because that is kind of the bigger. Well, I don't know, bigger story. But this week a big thing is going down. So I was just. I will start by just saying this because this was pretty weird. To me. So I was just. I was on Pierce Morgan just now. That's what. Right before I came onto the show, literally moments before this show started, I was on with them. And so I was on a panel. And the panel is, I haven't done one of the Piers Morgan panels in a long time. I've been doing like one on one debates. And then, you know, one time Pierce just interviewed me. But there's. But so I was back on one of these panels and, you know, so I was struck by just, first of all, how, I don't know, I just can't do the panels because you got to sit there. It's one thing if you got other interesting people on the panel, but when there's just. Just too many people who aren't saying anything interesting, you guys sit there through all this nonsense. Anyway, so I'm on this panel with. There's the general. What's his name again? I keep blanking on it. General Mark Kimmet. Who was he? He was in the Bush administration. He was at some type of position in the State Department. I can't exactly remember. But anyway, so it's him, then this one other guy who's some type of expert. I lived in Russia and studied this stuff thing. Then there's some girl from Ukraine, and then there's some dude from Russia who's like a RT guy. So literally, if you could picture this, like, the dude from Russia's, like, in his car. The general and the expert guy are like in suits and ties. I'm hoodie. You know, just like the normal dynamic of this. I'm wearing this and. And, you know, it's like all these guys have their fancy title. It's like the same dynamic also. It's like fancy titles for two guys. Then, you know, someone in Ukraine, someone in Russia, and then me, a comedian here on the panel with it. And so I'm sitting here and they literally start going into. I mean, it is. It was like, just. I was disgusted by it. It's like, first the, you know, the Ukrainian is like, the people of Ukraine are strong. Everybody thinks we're weak, but we are strong. We will fight and we will win. Then the Russians, like, Russia is strong. You are all scared of Russia. This was a defensive war that we had to fight. The aggression was the west, blah, blah. Then the general and this expert guy start going like, oh, Russia's not strong. Your whole country is a gas station with nuclear weapons. You're weak. You're we. And they're going back. And then me, the Comedian in the hoodie in the room. I'm like, guys, what are we doing? I just had this moment where I'm just like, guys, there's a war going on. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying. Don't we want to stop that? Why are we just lobbing insults at each other? Like, okay, like, there's a negotiation process that's going on right now. Like, can't wait. Anyway, it was just. Just one more moment. That is just so. Look, I don't mean to make it about me. I just happen to find myself in the middle of this. But it's one more moment where it's like, the people who are supposed to be the grownups in the room are actually the most childish people in the room. And then, like, you can't, like. And then you have to. It's why, in this weird world, you have to come to a show like this to get, like, a serious conversation. It's just so freaking bizarre. Anyway, the news, the very major news that's happened, just unfolded over the last few days, is that Donald Trump, in his 4D chess Art of the deal negotiating strategies, has now, which I would think of as just more incoherent than anything else, but has now pivoted away from last week he was on. Vladimir Putin better have a ceasefire by this deadline or there'll be hell to pay. And by hell to pay, it means sanctions and money for weapons or whatever, the same old thing. He completely dropped that. He's now announced after Wyckoff went and met with Vladimir Putin. It's now been announced that Donald Trump is meeting with Vladimir Putin in a couple of days in Alaska. As of now, no Zelinsky, just the two of them. But now we are at least back to the. The posture of we're trying to make a deal here and we're trying to end this war. And Trump even said a couple of things today about how he thinks, you know, he's optimistic about that they can make a deal. So the tone of everything has completely changed. And for the first time since this war is broken out, the President of the United States of America and Vladimir Putin are sitting down in a room together, which itself is just. Is. Is a great thing. And. And it's. It's criminally insane that that has not happened yet. Like, it's just so. It's so. It literally is. Like, I'm. I feel like as a father of little children, I'm so embarrassed that this is the adult world. Like, I'm so glad I don't have to tell them about this yet, because, man, it's going to. It's going to hurt to let them know someday that, like, oh, yeah, I know you always thought the adults kind of had it together a little bit, but now it turns out we don't at all. But think about it. Two countries that are in possession of 90% of the world's stockpiles of nuclear weapons, as Russia and America are in a proxy war on Russia's border, and they're not communicating. There has been no meeting between the two commanders in this war until now. So, anyway, it's great that it's happening. It's great that Trump has reversed course here. Let's hope for the best. But anyway, take it away. Any thoughts you have on any of this stuff, Rob?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (14:41)

Yeah, well, I couldn't agree more that it's shocking that it took till now. I wonder what Witkoff's conversation with Putin was that they're finally able to sit down. And it still seems to me like the big X factor here is if Zelensky is finally willing to go, all right, we'll let you guys keep what you conquered for peace here. And whether or not, I guess, Trump is finally willing to abandon Ukraine and say, we're not sending anything else over unless you guys accept this deal.

Dave Smith (15:08)

Yeah, well, there's a few interesting dynamics. Like, one of them is which I think plays a role in this, but evidently, since Donald Trump's first kind of turn against Zelensky and him, you know, like, saying we're going to cut off the aid, and they really, even though he did ultimately reverse on that, it's not like aid packages have been coming in the way they were under Joe Biden. And it seems that this has had this mixed with other factors, I guess, like, just like how prolonged and bloody the war has been. But there has been a collapse in support for the war amongst the Ukrainian people. It's. Now, there was just a Gallup poll out about this, and there was a big piece written up by Gallup that there is, it's like 68 or 69%. It's like super majorities of the Ukrainian people support a negotiated peace immediately, and that means land concessions. And so that is, I'm sure, is a big factor of this, too, that it's funny because throughout, throughout the whole thing, I didn't get to make this point on the panel today, but I, I should have. But it's like throughout this whole thing, we've heard, oh, the Ukrainian people want to fight. The Ukrainian people want to fight well, now look at this. Super. Majorities of them don't want to fight anymore. And yet the people advocating for the war just keep advocating for it. Because this is how war propaganda works. One, one piece falls away and you just keep advocating for it. Oh, yeah, there aren't weapons of mass destruction, but we were always here to bring democracy. You just, you move on to the next justification for the war. But the, from what I understand, it's at least I've seen it being reported now, who knows? I guess we'll, we'll find out more about this. But it's been reported that Putin is at least signaling that he's, which is a little bit of them stepping down from the position they were in before that he's basically conceding he'll. Or, I'm sorry, he's signaling that he might be willing to accept we'll take Donetsk, Luhansk and Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and then. And a corridor like from some of those territories they have on the south to Crimea, but that they'll accept that. And if that's the case, if, which is a huge if, but if that is the case, then like the. We'd be crazy to not take that deal at this point. That's like, that's pretty much best case scenario, you know, for, for how to unwind this thing. Now, I think where the issue comes in is that. So I believe Ukraine still holds. Like Ukraine, I think, has like a third of Donetsk still. And then Russia has pretty, I think Russia has all of Luhansk and most of Donetsk, but there's like a third of Donetsk that Ukraine still has. So it would require a Ukrainian retreat from that area in order to get it done. And then at least what's been signaled and reported is that then Vladimir Putin would give up some of the territory he has in the south. And so, and this is what I think Donald Trump was indicating the other day. I don't know if you saw the clip, Rob, where he said there'll be some land swaps. Like, he's, he's already. Which is, look, I don't even mind that because it's like with all of these things, you never want to paint leaders in wartime into a corner. You always want to give them a path out. And so if he wants to describe that as land swaps, so it doesn't sound like as big of a concession. So, like, he can go, oh, we got them some land back Vegas, some land back, fine. I mean, really, what this is, is Vladimir Putin carved up Ukraine and Took the parts that he wanted, but whatever. We don't got to say that out loud. Who cares? But I think. But that's what Donald Trump is referring to there. And so he's at least signaling that he thinks that deal can be made now that, you know, we're a long way from, from having the deal done. But we're at a much better point now than we were just last week and certainly for the last few months. So that, I think is at least something to be optimistic about. And yeah, it's, it's, it's. You know, it was interesting having this general there because at one point I said something like this and then the other guy on the panel, and this was the only for most of the panel, I was just calm and just made my points and it's just like everyone was having their turn and I was just like, I'll say better when it's my turn. But then at one point I did snap on the other guy because I said something about that, how we should all be rooting for. And he goes, what are you, Neville Chamberlain? And I just lost it on that because I just can't. And I was like, oh, my God, is that the dumbest argument in the goddamn world? I think I called it the dumbest, most low IQ argument in the world. I went, that's right. Appeasement is always wrong. That's the lesson of history. Appeasement is always wrong and aggression is always right. And then he goes, he goes, you don't have to respond with ad hominems. And it is, it really is funny just how stupid all these supposed experts are. And you're like, dude, that's not even an ad hominem. Saying your argument is stupid isn't an ad hominem. An ad hominem is attacking the person rather than the argument. I'm attacking the argument. I'm name calling it, sure, but it deserves all of those names. Like, anyway, but it's wild that now people have to somehow go, no, this is bad. We shouldn't be meeting to negotiate a peace. It really is. Just as even the Ukrainian people don't want to fight anymore. And you're still, what, insisting that they do? Insisting that they fight a war that they can't win when everybody already knows, like, there's not one mil. At one point the guy said to me, and this was what was kind of great of having having this general there. So at one point the guy goes to me and he goes, he goes, oh, so that's what you are Neville Chamberlain, you know, after I told him he was an idiot. And he goes, he goes, well, you are Neville Chamberlain. You just want to give Ukrainian territory to Vladimir Putin. Well, I will not give Ukrainian territory to Vladimir Putin. And I went, you're not giving anything. He took it and you can't do anything about it. I go, what do you want to do? You want to send in the 82nd Airborne? You want to fight like a World War II style war against Russia with both of us having nuclear weapons and we'll fight a World War II war that, that will turn to a nuclear war over whether Luhansk is ruled by Kiev or Moscow. That's worth a World War II war to you. That will go nuclear. And, you know, and then he goes, well, we don't have to do that. We can impose sanctions. And I just laughed. I was like, sanctions? And then the general was there. So this helped out because I just went, hey, General, just back me up. You're the military expert here. Sanctions can recover Ukrainian territory. Do you want. Will you go on record and tell me if that's true or not true? And then he has to go, well, no sanctions anyway. It was just the war can't be won for Ukraine. They're not taking their territory back. The only question now is if you can get this deal or worse, if Vladimir Putin will settle with the Donbass and Crimea or if he wants war or if he wants more. More war and more territory. That's the only debate here now. So let's get this meeting going.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (22:28)

Yeah, just a couple of things. One is for all the people who are like, America is going to look weak and we can't walk away from this, blah, blah, blah. I don't know. We've lost a lot of wars since World War II. We have.

Dave Smith (22:38)

Yeah. Really?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (22:39)

We had north and South Korea. We had whatever went on in Iraq and Afghanistan, which I guess we won, but just went on forever and cost us a lot of money. And I'm not really sure what we won. So for all these people who are like America, we can't, we can't, we can't look weak on the world stage. I don't know.

Dave Smith (22:54)

We.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (22:55)

That's happened four times. So I don't really know what's so scary about a failed war. It's like you guys made your money, ran it for as long as you needed. Like, I don't even think winning it was really on the table or what the agenda was. So who cares? Just call it a quits. And then also, if this is the deal that he ends up with, I don't know why he couldn't have actually have done it in week one, as opposed to flirting with mineral deals and whatever else. I don't really know why. You know, in fact, I think Trump politically would have been better off just being like, yeah, this was Biden's mess, we're not supporting it, and we're going to force Alinsky to call it a day. I think no matter what. Maybe you needed to let it play out, but it seems like you're coming to the exact same place. But the last variable on the table here is that Trump was saying he was going to, I think it was, tariff an additional 25% to anybody that was buying oil from Russia, which I think was, I mean, I've said this before on the show, but that was really just the whole war. In a NutShell was week one, when China and India decided that they weren't going to join us in bullying Russia. And once they decided they were going to continue to, we bullied Germany into backing us. We bullied a lot of people into backing us and having this war. But once China and India said, we're gonna continue to trade with Russia, I don't think this thing was economically catastrophic. Cuz they were still able to sell their natural gas. And so, you know, you could kind of then just, game plan. Oh, this is gonna go on forever. A bunch of people are gonna die and nothing's gonna happen. I think what Biden was hoping would happen did not happen in week one. And you could have called it a warrior. But Trump is escalating that now because he wants to say that we're going to tariff India additional 25%, which I think puts them up to 50%. And then you got to wonder, well, how does that play out? Like, what, what, what does a 50% tariff on India looks like? Or does Trump then look weak because he's got to back away from the 50% tariff on India? The point I'm saying is like, Trump, you know, he started with the 50 days and then he add, he's like, why am I waiting 50 days? You guys are having a war, let's just do it in 14 days. And then I think he's kind of up against his own deadline and whether or not he actually stick by tariffs and potentially, you know, just uniting India, Russia and China more.

Dave Smith (25:05)

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's right. And of course, if you remember at the very beginning of the war in 22, Joe Biden was saying that we can win the war with sanctions alone like that. We never need to send weapons packages. And that was the first starting point. And he was bragging about how these sanctions were going to destroy the ruble, and it was stronger by the end of the year. Joe Biden policies did end up destroying the dollar, but that's not at least what he said the goal was supposed to be. And, yeah, I mean, look to your, your other point, which I do think is a really important one. And I don't like when people say that, hey, when America, you know, withdraws from a war, we look weak on the global stage and therefore that empowers our, our enemies. I'm not, I'm open to the possibility that there's something to that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't think it's, it's necessarily entirely a coincidence. And I've seen some reporting on this, although I don't know how solid it is, but that the, the America retreating from Afghanistan in defeat and disgrace is part of what emboldened Vladimir Putin to go do it. Like, now's the moment when I think I could do this thing. Obviously, there were several other motivations there, too, but I'm, like, open to the fact that there's probably some truth to that. When we look weak, other people might feel a little bit more ballsy. But the point is that, like, yeah, that's why you don't get yourself into stupid wars that you can't win. Like, that's just a stronger argument for having Ron Paul's foreign policy all the time. And for anyone like, you think about this, this was the argument that they made even as, as the, the war was winding down in Afghanistan. When Joe Biden, under Donald Trump's framework, pulled out of the war in Afghanistan, they were saying, oh, well, look weak. We can't turn tail and run. And you're like, dude, we've been here for 20 years. Like, at a certain point, you just. And we've been there for 20 years, and the military we were building up fell in a week. So, like, what the hell? How, you know, what did we need another 20 years to get them through a month or something like that? Like, so obviously you, you run into the realities of these unwinnable wars, and then you have to get out of there eventually the people won't stand for it anymore. And so, yeah, the point is you don't want to get to that position because then, yeah, it does look pretty bad and pretty weak. Okay. You know, like, like, you said, I agree with your point. I think it's a little overhyped. Like we've looked weak and bad and pulled out of losing wars in the past and doesn't result in calamity. But if there is some cost associated with that, then it's just all the more reason why you shouldn't get in these things to begin with. 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But it is worth talking about that Benjamin Netanyahu now officially has declared that Israel will be occupying Gaza and they're taking it back. And so this is kind of in contrast with what Donald Trump said, that the US Was going to take Gaza. And, you know, at this point, I don't exactly know. We've got some, like, competing ethnic cleansing plans. There was Trump's ethnic cleansing plan, and there's Smotriches, you know, who knows exactly what the next stage of it is going to be. But it is. It's a pretty bold move. And it, you know, one of the things that's very interesting is that. And there's been some. Some, you know, a lot of very interesting articles on this, particularly in the Israeli media over the last few days. But, like, there were Benjamin Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu made this announcement over significant pushback from his own war cabinet and from his own government that there were a lot of people who really, really were like, yo, we can't do this now, man. And their concern, I mean, they had some logistical concerns about how long it would take to actually occupy Gaza and how much it would cost. Because, of course, like, you know, occupying the west bank is very expensive. Occupying Gaza is expensive. And there were also concerns that they. They think that surely this will lead to the death of the remaining hostages, that if the IDF actually moves in to occupy the place, Hamas is going to kill all these people. And that they're just worried about. But one of the major concerns is that they go, dude, we just were already losing global opinion. And this just makes it look so much worse. Like, no matter how you try to spin this, if you end up just annexing, which is more likely than occupying at this point, I think. But if you just end up occupying or annexing this land, then it just, no matter how you try to spin it, it makes it look like to everyone, oh, that's what the plan was all along, and that's what you were always trying to do. And there's certainly, you know, there were people who. That was their plan all along. I don't know if that was everybody in the Israeli government's plan, but if you end up doing that, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. You know, it's like. It's like sitting and debating whether was it was the Final solution always Hitler's plan, or did he just, you know, enact that after the war had broken out? It's like, well, that doesn't really matter at the end of the day, now, does it? So you still did. It doesn't matter whether or not it's like, I don't know, you threatened to do it at the Very beginning. Then a war happened, then you did it. Who cares? You're guilty. And that's going to be the response to this stuff with Israel, too. It's just too wild to imagine. But Benjamin Netanyahu has come out and announced that they're doing it. So it does seem like this is going to happen.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (32:34)

Yeah, it certainly seemed. I mean, they're going for it. And then I guess it's going to be a question of if world support so turns on them that us actually stops. It seems like he just has a blank check from Trump of, that's not our plan. We don't agree with the plan, but it's his call. And once he makes the call, we'll continue to support them. But that's not what I want to do. I'd just like to see peace. There's. What's happening is terrible. But whatever Netanyahu says and whatever he needs to make, whatever decision he wants to make, that just seems to be the way the president that Trump's playing. It is just, here's your check. Don't like what's going on there. We need you to wrap it up. It's gotta be better. Do you need another check? You know, that. That just seems to be what's happening. And I do wonder, four and eight years down the line, if Israel's really just completely lost US Support, if there's actually a change of the guard of someone who is less interested in supporting them after. Especially once this war is over. I'm going to assume there's going to be more media coverage of what actually happened and some of the dust settles. I can't imagine Isla's going to be able to keep journalists out of the region forever.

Dave Smith (33:42)

Yeah, no, that's. Well, we'll see. They've kept them out for a while. I mean, there's some in there, but they do kill a lot of those ones. But, yeah, it's. You know, I remember I've brought this up so many times over the years. It was a joke you made, like, I don't know, like probably going on 10 years ago or something like that now. But I always loved it. Whereas you were, you know, you're saying this in, you know, is tongue in cheek, but like, there's a point to it. But what you were saying, like, can they just put one non Jew as the chairman of the Federal Reserve? Which I guess they did end up doing. Ultimately, we got one. But there's. But like you're. The joke was, you were just like. I mean, they keep making Jews, the head of the central bank. And you were like, could you just put someone else there so, like, my family doesn't get killed in the backlash to you ripping off the entire. It is like a thing where you, you're like, could we just not have a Jew? Anyway, the point is just that it's. Some of these things are. So it's like if you, if you were like, long term rooting for a rise in Jew hatred, you'd almost go like, ah, perfect. Yes, this is great. Did you see the other day, did we talk about this on the Members Only? I can't remember, but they changed the language a little bit and walked it back because they were getting so much pushback. But do you see this thing where Trump actually wrote into the executive action that if you, that disaster relief could be withheld from states who supported boycotting Israel? And it does, I think the, the example. I don't know. Was I saying this on the show? No, I don't think so. I think I was just. But this is the.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (35:17)

On the show.

Dave Smith (35:17)

No. So this is. No, I think I was just saying this in a conversation with someone the other day. But, you know, conversations with you and other people all bleed into my memory of this show. But it's like, you remember, you remember at the debate with Joe Biden, like, at the very, very beginning of the disastrous debate that was the end of Joe Biden's political career. The. We all knew, like, maybe five minutes into the debate that Joe Biden was done. Like, we all knew that it was like, oh, there's no coming back from this. And part of the reason why we knew that was like, it's not just because his opening to the debate was so bad, but it was because you knew on some level that, like, the toothpaste was out of the tube now. Like, now you just, even before it cut back to the corporate media, you know, who had just been saying, he's sharp as attack. And then it cut back to them and they were like, we got to find a new candidate. But you, you knew before it cut back to them that, like, there's no way they can deny this now. And now what's going to happen is that every senior moment is going to be under a microscope. You know what I mean? So, like, but, you know, if, if Joe Biden comes out for his next interview after that debate, if it was a month ago and he got a name or a date wrong, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But now when he starts getting things wrong, you're really looking at it, you know, and in, in a similar way, I just think we've hit some type of critical mass here where examining the, examining the US Israeli relationship is so in the consciousness now that all of these things are put up. And, and so now it's like, when you have something like that, it's like, wait, wait, there's just no way that people can't look at it and go, wait, what, wait, disaster relief? First of all, even if you consider opposing Israel being anti Semitic or something like that, like, who cares what bigotry anyone has when we're talking about disaster belief? Like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be like, like, you know, like, if a nurse at a hospital was like, oh, that person's a racist, so I'm not giving them medicine. You should, like any civilized person would be like, whoa, no, no, no, no. You don't, like, you don't play around with that like that. Whatever their politics or their views on life, like, that has nothing to do with whether you treat a sick person. It's a human being. But then to add in that it's a foreign country, that you're like, you would withhold disaster relief against your fellow countrymen because they're not sufficiently loyal to a foreign country. It's just, you just look at stuff like this and you're like, dude, there's no way. You're never going to be able to convince people that they didn't see what they just saw. And it is, I don't know, it's, it's unbelievable to me that they're still going forward with this even when it is so obvious the writing is all over the wall, that this is going to turn everyone against you forever. Like, how is that, how is that cost not greater than whatever benefit you think you get from reoccupying the Gaza Strip. It's just, it's, it's really wild to me.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (38:21)

Yeah, I don't get the calculation because I was thinking that too, that it, it's starting to feel if you game plan it out a little bit like what Scott Horton has described of what Osama bin Laden did to the United States basically with CIA training, which is pull an empire into a war dry. And this feels similar of pull Israel into a war and, you know, have them commit things that people that, you know, people of general morality will stand against, and then, like, start looking into the general support for Israel and possibly turn against it and feels like, it feels like they're losing a longer strategic game of having the United States as an ally. Because it just seems like the general support for Israel in this country is.

Dave Smith (39:09)

That's right.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (39:10)

Falling off a cliff.

Dave Smith (39:11)

No, that's exactly right. Because. And. And look, this is like when. When the CIA was training the. The Arab mujahideen as well as the. The Afghan mujahideen. What is the whole thing that they're training them in? Right? It's like it's. It's. It's asymmetrical warfare. And in asymmetrical warfare, the action is always in the reaction you're always trying to provoke. That's like. There's this great scene in that movie that I really loved at the time. I haven't seen it in, like, many decades, but there was a movie, I think it was called Enemy of the State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. Do you remember that at all, Rob?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (39:49)

Sure. Yeah.

Dave Smith (39:50)

But so, like, basically, Will Smith by some.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (39:52)

He's at the mall for his girl.

Dave Smith (39:53)

Yeah, he was. That's right. And someone, you know, like, put something on him. So now, like, the CIA is coming after him. He's just some guy in the CI, and he ends up talking to Gene Hackman, who plays like, this old spook who's like, you know, know, living off the grid or something. But there was this great scene where Gene Hackman starts breaking it down for him, which is basically, you know, the idea of asymmetrical warfare. He's like, okay, look, they're big and you're small, but that means they're stagnant and you're mobile, or they can reach everywhere. And, you know, he goes through, like. There's just this great scene where he goes through the advantages of the little guy versus the big guy or whatever. But. So, right. It's always. Bin Laden didn't think he could bankrupt America by knocking down the World Trade center, but he did think that if he did that he could get them to invade Afghanistan and that that could bankrupt America. This. That's always the game. And likewise. And by the way, the. The Israelis themselves and their advocates will admit this. They'll say it as an argument for why Hamas is the bad guy. No, this is what Hamas. Hamas loves dead Palestinians. You know, they love that. So that they can use that as their propaganda. And it's like. Like, to them, in their mind, they think that sounds like a good point. But to the rest of us sane people, we're like, yeah, we already knew Hamas was bad. Yeah, obviously, like, they're a terrorist organization. Yes. They don't mind dead, innocent People. But the point is that like, yeah, why do something like October 7th, like, look, say what you want, you could just dismiss, oh, they're barbarians and you know, they're evil doers or something like that. But look, they had a coordinated land, sea and air attack. Some level of sophistication there. So what were they trying to do, planning all of that out? Are they just trying to kill a bunch of Israelis and that's that? It's like, obviously they know any, anyone who's, why, who's smart enough to coordinate a land, sea and air attack is also smart enough to know what Israel's response to this was going to be. Or at least somewhere in the road, maybe people wouldn't know they'd go this far, but you know, they'll be. And that's the whole game. Get Israel to, to respond and then expo, get them to overextend and then expose them as the baby killers to the world. And man, they could not have fallen into this trap any more than they have. And so, yeah, the whole point of that is not because, you know, when people argue against it, they'll go, oh, so you're saying you're on the side of Hamas or you're on the side of Al Qaeda or something. It's like, no, I'm saying like, don't fall into their trap. That seems like not the wise course of action.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (42:22)

I don't know what the plan from here is. It's either they think that they've got so much of a grip on propaganda that they're going to get this done and everyone's going to forget about it on a five and ten year timeline and they've got enough resources in the US to make sure that the lobbyists will continue the support and so nothing else really matters. Or I don't know, maybe, and this wouldn't have been on my prediction scorecard, but maybe they institute a new government and that new government actually works a lot better. And so now they have good storylines from the new government and over time people forget about the atrocities that got to there and Israel's almost able to justify it as. Yeah, but look at how much better it is for the Palestinians now. I, I don't imagine that's the way it's going to play out, but I.

Dave Smith (43:06)

Guess, yeah, I, my, my, my honest guess of it, like, my, my feel is that. Do you ever watch, you ever watch Chuck Liddell at the end of his career? Yeah, Chuck Liddell. Chuck Liddell was the UFC light Heavyweight champion, you know, debatably the greatest UFC light heavyweight champion. I mean, he was huge. Yeah, he had a huge part in blowing up the sport of the ufc. And then he got knocked out, and then he got knocked out again. And then he got knocked out again. And then his chin just went. And, and anytime anyone hit him, he would go on. He was unbeatable for a period of time. I mean, he lost a couple fights in there, but he was dominant as a champion for a long time. And, and then his chin went. And at the end of his career, you could see him, he had a couple more fights than he should have had, but you could see in his mind he was like, nah, dude, I'm going to get him back. Like, like he was Chuck Liddell. Because like, in his mind he's like, I'm Chuck Liddell, dude. I'm the guy. You know, he was that guy who was just devastating everyone. And yeah, he got knocked out a few times, but, you know, in his mind. So like, no, I'm going to go. And I do feel like it's almost like that where like they just controlled the narrative and controlled the media apparatus and controlled the conversation and people's opinions for so long. They're like, nah, we'll get it back. Let me go sit down with the Nelk boys. We'll get this thing back. You know what I mean? Like, they really, they, I really think are drastically underestimating the reality, which is that they're never getting it back. That's over. We live, we live in a post decentralized media destruction of Gaza World now and we're not going back to the way it was. I mean, I really do think for the, for the, for the foreseeable future, the opinion of young people in America, and this is true on the left and the right, the range is like from left winger who thinks that Israel is a colonizing genocidal state to us and Tucker Carlson and Scott Horton and the non interventionist more right wing types to Nick Fuentes. Like that's the range of, of opinion. It, you know, different people are at different stations along that continuum or whatever, but it's all people who see through like all this. And you know, I would, I would hope that I can have whatever influence I have to try to channel that toward a note. Crazy leftist or crazy Jew hater, but just common sense, you know, loving America and not wanting us to be unconditionally supporting a rogue foreign state, you know, like, hopefully that's where it goes. But I do not think there's any chance it's going back into the, like, we see Israel as our most important ally. And these are just the victims of the Holocaust in World War II who are trying to be good little Jewish boys and defend themselves. Like, I just don't think anyone, anyone's buying that anymore. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. I love this company. If you're looking to cook healthier, save money, or just stop eating microwavable burritos, Hexclad has got you covered. It's time to leave behind the delivery fees as well as that scratched up pan you've been clinging to since college. You've probably heard of Hexclad. They have completely revolutionized pots and pans by combining the performance of stainless steel with the convenience and easy cleanup of non stick. But hexclad's innovation doesn't stop there. They're their Japanese Damascus steel knives are as sharp as they are tough. Perfect for leveling up your meal prep. The sleek pepper mill lets you season like a pro with precision and style. Gordon Ramsay is a tough critic, but he uses Hexclad both at home and in his Michelin star restaurants. I can tell you guys, guys, they sent me a couple pounds when they first came on as a sponsor. These things are great. Me and my wife absolutely love them. So go check them out. For a limited time, our listeners can get 10 off their order with our exclusive link. Just head over to hexclad.comproble that's hexclad.comproble. level up your kitchen game right now at hexclad.comproble all right, let's get back on the show. Okay. In the time we have left, I do want to get to this slightly less serious topic, but I just, I, I found this really interesting and it's so, it's so right up our ally. It's just right up our alley. It's just very. You know, we're uniquely kind of positioned to comment on this, but there was a clip of Mark Marin who was on with Howie Mandela and he was kind of talking about the state of comedy post Donald Trump being elected. So I, I want to play this clip and, and kind of respond to it a little bit. I will just say going in to this, you know, people don't know Marc Maron's a stand up comedian. He, his podcast was, I think it was enormous for a while is. What's it called? What the fuck was his podcast? Wtf?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (48:21)

Mark Marin.

Dave Smith (48:22)

That's Right. So that, that was for a while there. I remember it was like him and Rogan were the two huge. It was like him, Rogan, Corolla. There were a lot of like when podcasting. It's not that they were the first generation of podcasters, but they were like the first generation of like giant podcasts that became huge and ended up being much bigger than, you know, TV shows or, or anything in kind of like the corporate world. So anyway, he was on and he was talking about the state of comedy and kind of anti woke comedy. I just, honestly, just to preface this, I will just say I have no anti Marc Maron bias at all. Mark Marin I always thought of as like, first off, he's a funny comedian and funny comedians are like to me, always on team funny comedians. Like, I just, I really enjoy good stand up comedy and I always, I don't really care what your political views are. I like people who are good at writing jokes. And then aside from that, he was really helpful to my good friend Nate Bargetzi when he was first coming up in, in his career and like had him opening for him when, when Mark Marin was huge and Nate was just starting to get traction. And that was a big deal for Nate at the time. And so I'm always just grateful to people who help out people I love. So like, I, I don't come at this from a perspective of having any animosity toward Marc Marin. I just thought that it was interesting to hear like the other side's perspective, like a comedian who's kind of sad that the woke trend is over and the anti woke trend has begun amongst comedians or whatever. And that to me was just kind of interesting to break this down. But. Anything you want to say before we play the clip, Rob, or should we go right into it?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (50:04)

I think that's a fair enough introduction.

Dave Smith (50:07)

All right, let's, let's play Marc Maron here.

Marc Maron (50:10)

At this point, it's lazy and sloppy and hackneyed, you know, to be in a fucking club where, you know, I'm walking down the hall at the comedy club or, and you know, in one room someone's doing their bit about trans people. And then I get down the hall and there's someone on stage going, well, I guess I got to do my bit about trans people. Like, no, you don't. You don't. It's, it's hack now. I mean, you know, you guys got the freedom you wanted. You can now say whatever you want. They're defeated, their rights have been denied, the policies that you guys, encouraged with your stupid material are now policy and now, like, you know, half the people under.

Dave Smith (50:45)

Let's, let's pause of anti woke for a second. I just, first of all, I can. Look, I, I can understand kind of in a way, you know, being. It's hard within the comedy world particularly. And a lot of this just is because of the kind of the juggernauts of podcasting, like the people who have just become the biggest in the podcasting space, which just happens to be the thing that's blowing up right now. And that's where the biggest audiences are. And that's what. So those are the biggest comedians, but the guys like Rogan and Tim Dillon and Andrew Schultz and Theo Vaughn and like a lot of these guys who are just so big, you know, were really kind of pushed back hard against the woke culture. And I would, I would argue heroically and very importantly, but it is, it's a weird thing to be in a spot. Like, it's hard to overstate. Woke comedy was so on top in like 2017, 2018, 2019, that you can, you can hear the frustration in him being like, why are we, why are we so on the bottom now? Like, we literally went from being the dominant cultural view to being the punchline. Everybody's just making fun of us. But the issue here is that, and look, I'm never defending hat comedy. There's, there's a lot of lazy comedy out there and people, you know, this is always the truth. There's a lot of comedians who do low hanging fruit and do like kind of the easiest jokes. And it's not that original, it's not that funny. But it seems to me like Mark Marin isn't even listening to the jokes. He's just like, oh, I walked into a room and he's joking about trans and he's joking about trans. And as a brilliant comedian once told me, there's no hack premises, only hack punchlines. And it doesn't matter. If you could take a topic that's been done by 100,000 comedians and you could make it your own and make it hilarious. And that's so, it's like, I don't know, what did they do with the joke, Mark? You know, and the other thing is, like, I don't know, dude. Transgenderism is inherently a kind of funny topic. And I don't see why you couldn't admit that. Even if you're trans yourself or someone you love is trans, it's kind of a funny topic. And so, yeah, people are free to make jokes about it? I don't know. Any, any thoughts on this opening, Rob?

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (53:06)

Well, I would just. This is the autism in me, but I'd love to know what government policy he thinks was influenced by comedians and what rights he feels are lost by trans people that comedians are making worse. What exact pot is he defending? That children should have more access to what he views as healthcare and we view as child abuse. Abuse? Is he viewing that women should be in men's sports and that, that that's their right? Is he saying that all of us should contribute more on our healthcare policies? That there should be more life altering surgeries for what other people might deem to be mental illness and not actually helpful to the individuals who are going through a trans dilemma? Listen, I'm all for freedom. Go live your life. Go be as trans as you'd like to be. I do not care. And I've made jokes about the topic, but most of my jokes about the topic were kind of from the angle of the women in sports that I think is unfair or the fact that we're bringing this to kids I think is a disaster. And listen, I don't even think, you know, comedy needs to have a point of view or perspective. It just needs to be funny. But I'll just say that the jokes that I made were, you know, rooted in that, in that point of view. But like, I don't know this to me and fighting where. But it's like this bitchy thing of pretending like there's some sort of a tragic outcome because of. Or that people are like, what exactly is your perspective? What are you advocating for here? That you actually think comedians are taking away from somebody? Because yeah, I don't think there's something there. I don't actually think there's even a defensible position here. But he's like lording it like, oh, I'm the nicest person in the room and I'm the guy with compassion. And all these hacks out there who are making these easy jokes where, why you've already had your victory party of the meanness that you, you've projected on. And it's like, no, no one here I think is being mean. I think they thought it was psychotic that this was being brought to kids and that it was child abuse and we needed to push back about it.

Dave Smith (55:04)

We thought that, well, it's, look, this is, that's, that's exactly right. And it's, it's always kind of like assumed on, on with what these left wing types argue. It's Always just assumed that they're the good guy and you're the bad guy, and they never actually have to argue why they're the good guy and you're the bad guy. It's just like, that's premise number one that we're starting with. And then on top of that, we can just sprinkle in about rights willy nilly without ever having to explain, like, I'm sorry, but, like, there's, you know, every. In every state, in every town in America, everybody has the right to be transgender. You know, like you. You have the right to do that. Nobody's. Nobody's taken away, like, a. A natural human right from transgender people. There. There are issues that have very little to do with rights. Like, it's the idea that, like, us, you don't have a right to compete on the women's team. Like, you don't. In the same way, I don't have a right to compete on the women's team. Like, I don't. When I, you know, when I was in high school, I played on the boys basketball team. I didn't have a right to go play on the girls team. So again, it's like you're. You're building in an assumption there that transgender people, like, should be allowed. But then you might ask the question, like, well, why don't I have the right. Why don't I have the right to play on the girls team when I was an 18 year old in high school? Well, because I'm. I'm a guy. And that's not because I identify as a guy. It's a biological thing because you are a man. So biology doesn't change. What with your view. That's not a hateful. Or like, again, it's like they. They conflate that as if, like, we're just being a dick. Like, I'm just saying, like, hey, everyone, go pick on and laugh at the transgender person. Make that person whose life is already difficult more difficult. But, like, that's not what any of the comedians that he's talking about have ever said or anything close to that. And that's never the spirit of their jokes. You know, like, and. And how about, like. Like, in fact, I think a lot of. If you go look through the years of the woke, a lot of those transgender activists, maybe they were the mean ones. Maybe they were the ones who were, like, being a dick to other people. So again, it's just. He's not really making any argument. He's just asserting that you guys all like that. And. And it's just, it's such a. Like, objectively, it's such a false interpretation of what's going on. Like, none of us are saying be dicks to trans people and take away their rights. But. But anyway, let's keep playing.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (57:25)

I mean, just.

Dave Smith (57:26)

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (57:26)

To press on this. If he was here, I would love to know. Do you think that children should be taken away from parents who don't believe in gender affirming care and that the government should take them for their health and well being?

Dave Smith (57:38)

Yeah. Like, what is the right and the.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (57:40)

State should sponsor the gender affirming care? Like, is that what you believe? Do you also think that we should be teaching in schools or be more accepting of this, even though bottom surgery, I think, is mostly harmful to individuals? I mean, I haven't done all the research on adult gender affirming care, but it doesn't seem like the technology really supports it. And so, I mean, how much do you want to advocate for something that's.

Dave Smith (58:04)

Well, yeah, you just be like, lifestyle. Yeah. Well, before you say something like that, like, what specifically are the rights that transgender people used to have that they no longer have since Joe Rogan ruined the world or whatever? Because it does. Like, I'm just saying, and I'm not. I'm not trying to psychoanalyze Marc Maron, but it does just come off that maybe you're, like, a little bit upset that the market kind of dictated that you're not the guy anymore.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (58:29)

And trans was kind of the pinnacle of a woke attitude that, I mean, it was highly destructive to our country and our culture. And so, like, that this is just kind of like the pinnacle and the most silly thing of the stupidity that we ignored in some sort of a. The socialist concept for fairness, which also included, you know, trying to expand green energy. And also, oh, you're not nice if you're not staying home and getting a Covid shot because you're gonna kill grandma. It was all just this sick lunacy of socialism and fairness that people like us identify as being destructive and have different ideals and push back on. But no, he's just, without making argument, any claims, he's the nice guy here and he wants to defend what we all rejected because it was destructive. It's not that we're mean people. We have a different.

Dave Smith (59:14)

Well, also, just when you're talking about kind of like a socialist, like, cultural phenomenon, it's like. And part of this is that it was. And the through line, through the COVID stuff, and all of this was that for most people, I think it was, like, when it actually came to the issue of people who are transgender, we were all just like. I don't know. Like, yeah, we were pretty libertarian about it. We were like, it's your life, man. Live your life the way you want to. And I always. And still to this day, I always operate under the principle of, like, don't be a dick to people. You know, I've met lots of trans people. I'm always. I don't know, I treat them like people, like everybody else, you know, and we're not mean.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (59:55)

That's not.

Dave Smith (59:55)

No. What. But what really. I think what really started to bother people was the demand for, like, conformity on it and the demand that you can't even think. You can't tell the truth, what you think is the truth. So, like, it would start as being like, hey, there are people who are born a guy but identify as a woman or vice versa or whatever, and you go, okay, well, they have a right to live their life the way they want to. They should be treated with decency just like everybody else. You know, let's not make anybody's life more hard. Let's have compassion for all people, okay? And then they go, trans women or women. And you're like, well, I mean, I don't know if I'd exactly say that. They go, bigot. You're a horrible person. And you're like, well, wait a minute. Hold on. Like I said, I'm not. You can't insist that I deny biological realities and then call me a Nazi if I refuse to like that. And then they started bringing it to children. And then the reaction from that was more like, I will kill you if you come near my children. And all this. And you. And by the way, you're not a woman. You're a man. And. And that's where that snapback came, where it was just like. The culture was like, no, no, no, we're not playing these games. If you're talking about, like, confusing and abusing children, like, that's just not. That is a red line for decent people. And so that. Anyway, that's. That's closer to the reality of the situation. But let's hear the rest.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (61:19)

Wanting an open border for not loving Biden's wars, for not loving an inflation reduction act, for not liking a green energy policy, and for not all getting behind pretending like Kamala Harris was a coherent individual. Individual. It's the meekness of comedians that we didn't rally behind Kamala. We didn't. We didn't we weren't willing to go around with the larping of pretending like Joe Biden didn't have dementia. And then when they replaced her with the dumbest individual on probably in all of American politics, the fact that we weren't all just able to get behind her and go, you know what? It's more important for this woke thing, which is against my interest because it was actually a lot of just censorship for funny jokes. There was a lot of just censorship for.

Dave Smith (62:03)

Well, let's hear. Let's, let's get back to the clip because he's going to talk more specifically about that. But. So save that thought. But here, let's, let's keep lying. Okay?

Marc Maron (62:11)

We've lost a tremendous amount of Democratic leaning ideas and, and movements. So whether they knew it or not, that's what they were spearheading. So now it's reality. And you want to still keep kicking them.

Dave Smith (62:24)

I don't know that the comedians have had that much power.

Marc Maron (62:27)

Are you out of your mind?

Dave Smith (62:29)

No, I'm.

Marc Maron (62:29)

Yeah. Joe Ra. I'm not going to.

Dave Smith (62:32)

Go ahead, go ahead.

Marc Maron (62:33)

You know, you can't, you can't separate. Like, if the movement is like, you know, we're being censored. No, you're not. You're not. There's no constitutional censorship issue with your free speech. You say things and in a Democratic shit.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (62:49)

I was. Yeah, I mean, that's just like true. My channel was censored multiple times. Well, here was my analysis for Covid, which was right.

Dave Smith (62:56)

Yes, you're absolutely.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (62:57)

Well, energy and vaccines.

Dave Smith (62:59)

Well, hold on. Let's just let him finish his thought here because I want, I want you to make this point, but I want to finish his thought because it actually is worse than just that. So here, let's keep playing and then we'll get back to this show of.

Marc Maron (63:11)

An environment like Twitter, whatever. There's cultural pushback, but that's a specific issue. To frame it as some sort of free speech problem was a misdirect. It wasn't a free speech. It was that people were getting cultural culture.

Dave Smith (63:26)

Okay? So it's, he's saying, oh, you're confusing a free speech problem with getting cultural pushback. Now, again, like I said, I have no anti Mark Maron bias, but Mark Marin doesn't know what the he's talking about here. He just doesn't know what the he's talking about. Like, I'm sorry. No, that is not true. That is absolutely not true. Like, you would not say if the, if there was a. Let's say there was a journalist writing for a newspaper who wanted to write some piece. And let's say the readers of the newspaper were like, oh, we hate this guy and we don't want this piece in the newspaper. So they didn't run it. You could say that's cultural pushback. That's not a violation of free speech. That's not a constitutional issue. But if the government hauled the head of that newspaper before Congress and threatened them for. For publishing this reporter's article, and then the government had a back channel with the newspaper where it was working on which journalist should be published and which shouldn't, that is a constitutional issue. That is a First Amendment issue. And that's exactly what was happening with YouTube and Facebook and Twitter. And we've got this all confirmed. So that is just. I'm sorry. And by the way, you can watch for yourself the testimony when they called in all of the heads of the big tech companies and made them testify under oath, and the Congress just threatened them up and down, threatened them about getting rid of what they deemed as misinformation and all this stuff. And then, of course, you could look at the Twitter files or the Facebook files. I mean, this stuff is not like this is out in the open. So it absolutely was. But then I also, you know, separate from that, even if you want to say, you know, if you want to say that, even say, like, corporations just like, firing you or shutting down speech, if you want to say that's not a constitutional issue, it's like, fine, but it's not exactly just cultural pushback either. Like, the irony here is that Marc Maron is actually suffering from cultural pushback. Like, genuine, organic cultural pushback. And what he's doing on this show is genuine, organic cultural pushback. This is organic pushback. Push back against what Joe Rogan and these guys are saying with Howie Mandel. The problem is everyone's just going to laugh at you and tune out. You know, you could say that Joe Rogan was spearheading this movement, but, dude, you were right there with him. Him. You were spearheading your own movement. You lost the argument. Like, the people stopped listening to you and kept listening to him and in fact started listening to him in much bigger numbers. And so that's the cultural pushback element. But don't tell me that, like, the idea that a leftist is coming out here and saying that a giant corporation dictating who can speak and who can't speak is cultural. Like, even if you wanted to say that wasn't a first Amendment issue. It's not cultural pushback, and it's very straight. Like, right, Rob, don't you remember, just not that many years ago, when Mitt Romney made that dumbass comment about how corporations are people? And you remember when the left lost their mind? Like, what do you mean, rightfully the left lost their mind? You're taking some legal term and then applying it like, corporations are people. No, they're not. They're legal entities. You know what I mean? This is different than a human being. But what is this other than a different way of claiming the same thing? Oh, YouTube censor. Like, even if it wasn't done at the direction of the government, YouTube censoring you, Rob, that's culture. That's the people. That's the people censoring you. No, it's not. It's one corporate entity doing it, and one that happens to be in bed with the government. But even leaving that point aside, like, no, come on, dude. What comedian could stand up for that? What comedian could downplay that? You should. What? If what you say is offensive, you get silenced. Marc Maron. You want to play that game? I mean, okay, but then, of course. And now you're upset that the cultural wind is blowing another direction. But really, Marc Maron, you should be. You should be happy that we are all just better people than you, you know, because, like, none of us are sitting here and going, hey, I find what Marc Marin's saying offensive. You should have your life ruined. You should be silenced. Guys like me and you are going. You should keep putting your podcast out and see who listens to who. Like, you. You know what I mean? Like, so it's, like, it's just. It's wild to me that, like, one thing that. Because there is really an asymmetry here in the two sides of this culture war where, like, Rogan and Theo and all the. None of these guys are calling for anyone else to get shut down or would be downplaying it if you did. Like, if Mark Maron. If Mark Maron. If the Trump administration was putting pressure on whatever, you know, YouTube to not have Mark Maron or Howie Mandel on anymore. Me and you would both be sitting here defending their right to free speech and saying that's an outrage and a. And a violation of the. Their free speech, we wouldn't be sitting here downplaying. That's just cultural pushback when you got kicked off of every platform. Come on, give me a break. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Kalshee. I've been seeing them more and more on social media. I downloaded the app recently and it's pretty, it's, it's pretty interesting. You can really track a lot of things. 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Robbie the Fire Bernstein (69:14)

If Colombia quickly put down any anti Israel perspectives tomorrow, would you say it's cultural pushback?

Dave Smith (69:21)

Right.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (69:21)

Or is it because of what the Donald Trump administration has done in terms of the way that they'll allocate funds to colleges and go after you if you're not aggressively enough? I guess policing violence on campus and how much money was in the system for ESG and whatever other nonsense that trickle down everywhere to engage in censorship. Sure. It's just, yeah. The entire. The reason why the woke environment, what happened in the culture that the woke environment isn't that it's not still as favorable as it was. I mean, if it was just the culture that loved it and it had nothing to do with government money and influence, I mean, why isn't it still popular? What was it? It was boy bands in the 90s. It was just a four year thing that we all organically got into for a couple years and that's, that's it. So I guess this is. Now he should, and if anything, I guess he should celebrate that it's cultural pushback the other way now.

Dave Smith (70:14)

Well, right. Yeah, right, exactly. Here, let's play the very end of it and then we'll do one more round.

Marc Maron (70:21)

Pushback. That is not a constitutional issue. No one was being put in jail for saying anything. That's a free speech issue. But my problem is if you're gonna start talking about anti woke and that's going to be your point of view, that's going to be your ideological, you know, grounding for what you do. Okay, that's fine. But why does it have to be the same four things? You know, it's like they talk about the same and I don't know a better definition of hack. I mean, after a certain Point. It's like, you know what? So what juice does the word retard really have? How much do you have to give trans people? You know, what is your big problem with gay people? What's your big problem with women? It's like, what is this, the 80s again?

Dave Smith (71:02)

Well, I guess maybe it's just. Look, there is somewhat of a just perspective difference here. And I guess if I'm being really charitable, I could say that. Look, I. It's not like I. There's something to his point here. You know, I brought this up on, on Legion of Skanks, but like, for years we were making like kind of like the most offensive jokes when you really weren't allowed to make them. And I will say now that you're allowed to make them again, then not quite as fun. It's like my mind almost goes toward like, all right, well, let's do something different then. You know what I mean? Like, let's just not say, like, I don't even care about saying retarded anymore because you guys all said. I mean, I still use it and every day just because I grew up saying it. And it's a great word, but it's like, I mean, it really is just a phenomenal word. But so I get. But like, from my perspective. So, like, yeah, I'm sure it's always true that whatever the latest thing is, there's some comedians who run it into the ground, but like, there's hack in every category. Yes, exactly.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (71:59)

But you're gonna say I'm not currently. I got one trans joke in my act four years ago, I had a seven minute chunk. You know what I mean? Yeah, four years ago, it was real interesting. And other people weren't really making those jokes.

Dave Smith (72:11)

Right, right.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (72:12)

If you were a guy who was a liberal two years ago and now all of a sudden you're putting on a leather jacket, whatever, and you're trying to be edgier, and now you're making all sorts of woke jokes because it's safe. Your hat, hack. But, you know, eight years ago, if you were telling bad one liners and Mitch Hedrick voice, you were hacked too. It's really not like anyone.

Dave Smith (72:31)

Well, also, just. It's hard after the years of woke comedy. It's like, are we supposed to forget that or you're going to tell me, oh, what do you guys. Well, like, how many jokes were there about white men and how many jokes were there about racism and how many. I mean, literally, you're telling me after years of. And, and also the other thing to ignore is that even though the podcast scene has become the biggest thing now, it's still hard to paint them as Goliath against you being David when you literally, up until five minutes ago, had every major corporation in America agreeing with you. All of Comedy Central, all of HBO comedy, all of late night comedy, all in lockstep making the exact same jokes about the same three topics. Orange man, bad, white man, bad racism. The unvaccinated. Like, it was all. And so for you to turn around and make that, like, come on, dude. And like, look, I don't know what to tell you. Like, no, it's not the 1980s again. The 1980s never stopped you. Never listen. Issue the word retarded and transgenders and women are funny. And I would like, there's a million different hilarious things about all of this. What are we even talking about here? What? You can't make jokes about gay. The question would be, why should that be off limits? I'm never telling a female comedian you can't make it. What are you making another joke about men? It's like, I don't know, there's a lot to work with there. So, yeah, make all your jokes about. Hopefully it's a funny one. But like, what are you telling me that there isn't that all those topics you just named aren't fertile ground for. But like, again, you could do this about anything in comedy. You could go like, oh, oh, the differences between black people and white people. You know how hacky of a topic that is. You know how many different comics have had. Black people are like this, but white people are like this jokes. Okay, but Chris Rock still has some of the greatest ones that you listen to one of his old. And you're like, that, dude, that's the greatest joke I've ever heard in my life. So what are you going to tell him? He can't do that topic? This is all just sour grapes. And I think it's sour grapes because it's like, ironically enough, it's like you actually are facing cultural pushback back. You lost. Your ideas were out there in the marketplace with every advantage, with advantages that the anti woke crowd never enjoyed. Like the government behind you censoring your opposition. And you lost. Even with all of that, you'd lost the argument amongst the American people. And so we'll joke about whatever the fuck we want to joke about, but I encourage Mark Maron to do the same.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (75:07)

And one last thing, because you had said this on the last episode, which might have been paywall, but one of the jokes he made in a special was attacking Theo Vaughn, seemingly for having Trump on. And he made a joke, which I actually explored a similar premise on a Run your mouth. And I was like, I'm sure someone's doing this bit when Netanyahu was on with the Nelk boys.

Dave Smith (75:25)

Right.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (75:26)

That there's something odd about just bringing people in and being comfortable with them. And I was trying to do a bit about, like, interviewing Trump and just kind. I'm sorry, interviewing Hitler and just casually talking to him about, like, his meth use before shows type deal. Right. And he had a very funny joke where he was basically goofing on Theo Vaughn interviewing Hitler in a very casual fashion. And he's doing a pretty decent Theo Vaughn impression. It's a funny bit, but if you just take a step back. So fine, you hate Trump. Theo Vaughn had Trump on. You had Obama on. When Obama was trying to sell Obamacare, you literally took a phone call from the government and said, yeah, I'll help you guys with your propaganda piece for this interview. You and sure, you might like socialized medicine or you might like what Obama did with Obamacare. I personally don't and think it, at least for me, it makes my health care a lot worse. That's fine that that's your perspective. But then to turn around and pretend, like when I had a podcast and I was interviewing a politician, that was noble. But when someone does it for the other side, that's reprehensible behavior.

Dave Smith (76:27)

Yeah. Like how many.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (76:28)

While Joe Biden was in office to. I didn't listen to that interview. I haven't listened to Marin in years. But it was seemingly to just treat Hunter Biden like he's a person that's kind of shilling for the current regime to go, oh, everyone.

Dave Smith (76:38)

Yeah, like a hard time.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (76:40)

Look, he's just a human being. You've done this.

Dave Smith (76:43)

And the funny thing. That's right. And the funny thing about it is that I always remember when Marin had Obama on, I remember just going, this is so great because it's so great for podcasts. This makes podcasts look legitimate because it was such a big deal at the time that the president did a podcast. But, like. Like, I never. But yeah, how many. Like, how many tough questions did you ask him, Mark Marin? I don't even remember if I ever listened to the interview or not. I think I heard clips from it. But, like, did you ask him about the 500, 000 people he got killed in Syria or the 500, 000 people he got killed in Yemen. Did you ask him about the drone campaign in Pakistan or like his overthrowing of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, destroying the entire country? You know what I mean? Like, did you or did you just give him a fluffy nice interview where you talked about how great he is and stuff? Right? So like, yeah, don't, don't sit here and turn it around. If someone else also gave an interview that you think wasn't hard hitting enough. It's all. It's just sad, man. Just take it, try to win it back. All you can ever do in this game is go try to go try. So you go write the funniest joke, taking all these guys down and then go make the best argument on a podcast. But this stuff of just whining.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (77:49)

He did it from a liberal perspective.

Dave Smith (77:51)

So yeah, that's right.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (77:52)

Put it. When he had a Kush podcast with someone from liberal politics and that was moral and righteous. And when someone.

Dave Smith (77:58)

It all ends.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (77:59)

How dare you.

Dave Smith (78:00)

It all ends in the circular logic of like, yeah, but I'm on team good Guy and so it's good when I do it. Exactly. All right, got a wrap there. Love you guys. See you tomorrow. Peace. In the time it takes you to actually board that flight from Group 8. Now boarding Premier Altitude Elite club members. You could have bought a Hyundai on Amazon. Yes, that Amazon, where you buy everything else. Mid tier Altitude Elite. Feel free to board now. So while you're waiting for them to make up new boarding groups, you can order your dream car and the dealer will have it ready in no time. Now boarding groups one through seven.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein (78:47)

So close.

Dave Smith (78:48)

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