Dave Smith (1:55)

If you have any, any questions or topics that you'd like us to cover, feel free to Throw those in the chat. Natalie, grab any questions if you see them and we'll, we'll get into some of that. I was. So I, you know, there was this shooting in midtown Manhattan yesterday. And I was, I was in Manhattan when it happened. And so I, and you know, I grew up in New York City, so I know the city pretty well. And I will tell. It's a real New York City moment where I just, I was down, I don't know, it was in midtown, so I was like 20 blocks south of there. And I just, I was in my Uber coming in and I just. You could tell there were just the number of cop cars that were going. It was like, oh, this is a thing. Because you could see, you could see cop cars rushing somewhere, anytime in New York City. But there's, there's a certain amount of them where you're like, oh, a whole thing is going down something. And then it's. I, I guess it was, this was around 7:30pm last night. I saw that it was reported that they had arrested a guy in a Palestine shirt. And we were joking about that on the, on skanks last night. And then I did not see until today. So I just spent last night and then this morning thinking, without reading or looking into it, like, that's what happened. It was some type of Palestinian activist went and shot some people. Turns out that does not appear to be the story or that is not what they are reporting now. It evidently was something about a guy targeting the NFL offices over CTE allegations or something. Who knows? You know, sometimes what gets reported right after these shootings turns out to not be very accurate information. But it did. I mean, look, it turns out evidently they just arrested a guy who was wearing a Palestine shirt and then realized he had nothing to do with any of it, which is hilarious profiling in a way. But it did. At least when I was thinking that that's what happened, it did kind of remind me of something I have been saying for a long time, for the last couple years, I've said many times on the show, is that I really am worried about that. And I, I think that there is like, I think the environment is ripe or blowback terrorism. And I think it's a, it's a real concern. I'm, you know, I think in, in a lot of ways, like Scott Hortons made this point a bunch like, we're just kind of lucky that bin Laden is dead and that there's just no figure that really rallies the jihadists quite like they had that in in the 90s and early 2000s. But God damn, it's like, if we. If we really do keep up this policy for much longer, it is a real risk that we're. That we're going to deal with some type of, like, terrorist attacks here, you know, as revenge. So, anyway, I think that's what always was motivating the terrorism problem that America had, and we've done throwing a lot more gasoline on that fire. So, anyway, that was the thought that was in my head. Luckily, it turned out not to be that.

Robbie Bernstein (5:11)

You know what? I can't make this joke back to you, Dave.

Dave Smith (5:15)

Oh, man. It's so.

Robbie Bernstein (5:18)

You don't hear that for me.

Dave Smith (5:19)

Too rare. It's so rare that Rob will actually go now. You know what? I got to stop myself. Got to stop myself on that one. All right, Sorry. Here I was just trying to look at the. The live stream. If you got any questions, go ahead and throw them in the chat and we will get back to it. It does seem to me like. I don't know if you've, like, you know, felt this, Rob, but it does seem to me like there is. I, you know, I was talking about this, like, the last time I was on Piers Morgan and not even my own segment, just talking about watching the other debate that was happening before me. And it does seem like there is, like, this kind of critical mass that's being reached where people are just fucking over supporting this thing and that. It's just like, it's just too long. It's just too up. It's too indefensible. And every day there's another story that just, you know, like, you're. You know, you really are. Like, there's. I. I was seeing. I don't know if you saw Rob, but there was, you know, like, there was much. There's been a few. Obviously there's been a ton of images out of Gaza over the last couple years, but there's been a couple, particularly in the last couple weeks, of like, you know, like, babies and little kids who are, like, starving to death. And I'm watching on Twitter the. The pro Israel people like, trying to defend this, and their claim is that they're like, no, this is. This is a baby who has some genetic disease or something like that. This isn't a baby who's starving. And it's like, you look, who the hell knows what that one particular kid was, you know, Like, I'm not claiming I. I know, but, like, you're just like, look at the Argu. Like, zoom out for a little bit. And look what, what you're arguing now, you're literally sitting there going like, no, like, starving corpses isn't evidence of anything. Like, this is the argument that the Jewish state is making is that you're like, oh, no, these piles of corpses, that's. No, you can't use that to form any conclusion. You're like, really? Is that. Is that right now? And it's. Anyway, there's just a very. There's a strange dynamic where it does seem like this. It's almost like, you know, there are certain things, say immigration, I think, is a good example of that. I do think the woke, the crazy woke shit is a good example where there are these, like, topics where there might be someone who's still debating it, but, like, the debate is over. The debate, you know, this was one of the points that I made when I was debating Alex Nor Washta at soho Forum was I was just like, look, we could have this debate, but, like, just so we're clear here, the debate is over. The American people have already decided where they stand on this. And it does seem like we're entering that phase of US Support for what Israel's doing to Gaza, where it's just like, dude, Mike Huckabee was furious with Israel last week. Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire came out and was like, I'm done. This is it. I can't. This is too far for me. I can't support him anymore. And the. Now the, the. The starvation crisis is, like, widely reported and accepted by everyone except Netanyahu, everyone else. Netanyahu is the only one left saying that nobody's starving in, in Gaza. Even Trump admitted there was serious starvation in Gaza. You know, I say he's the only one. I mean, I guess, like, you know, maybe some people in his war cabinet, but, like, nobody else is. Is covering for this. And then at the same time, wall support for this has collapsed. And it almost like, parallels the Epstein thing a little bit, but wall support for this is collapsed. There was just a, a great piece Dave De Camp wrote on anti war.com today. If you go to anti war.com today, it's right up at the top, the top one or two articles on there. But now, while the support has collapsed, Benjamin Netanyahu is preparing plans to annex Gaza. Like, they're actually, they are committed to doing this, that they're going to take Gaza, make it part of Israel and kick all the Palestinians out. And I don't know, you know, I'm, you know, like, even it's almost like all the signs point to, yeah, they're actually getting ready to do that. And still on some part of me, I'm kind of like, dude, there's no way they're actually going to be that brazen to just do this when global opinions already turned so far against them. So I don't know, but it seems like they're going through with this. And I really wonder what the reaction to all of that's going to be at a point where it's, it's become so transparently obvious that this whole thing is so evil and that the Israelis are, are lying through their teeth and that they're not. And that they're not waging a war against Hamas or a war to get their, their hostages back, that they're waging a war against the people of Gaza to annex and ethnically cleanse the Strip. What does the reaction of that actually look like? You know, you, you called pretty early on, Rob, in this war that like, Israel's not going to be able to get away with this. You know, I'm almost like thinking in the same way, like Israel is like in terms of pr, not in terms of actual policy, but like, they're just not. And that's kind of what I'm thinking with this too. Like this is just, oh my God. If you think it's bad now, man, the level of hatred for Israel, if they do this is going to be off the charts. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is moinkbox. I love this company. What they do is great and simple and it's a much needed service. If you're anything like me, you don't really like the meat that you get at the supermarket. 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Robbie Bernstein (12:18)

Yeah, I think the wheel has turned in that the Internet's undefeated and sometimes they just get their hooks into a storyline. You just saw it with the cold Blake concert that just kind of captured everyone's imagination and everyone's on top of it. The Epstein story right now in whatever way. They kind of blundered with the binders and claiming that they had great stuff for you and then said, nope, nothing to see here. Everyone's all on board with it. Everyone wants an answer. And that's why your mainstream, even Republican senators are going, yeah, we got to get the information out. I hear it from, from that old, the old Kennedy guy. I hear it from Josh Hawley. It's just across the board, they're kind of saying the administration's got to figure this one out and we're going to need some transparency. And I saw a big shift in the reporting this past week where it's across the board images from Gaza and reports of the hunger crisis that's going on there. And you know, there haven't even really been mainstream, like that many pictures because I think you're not, it's not that easy to report out of Gaza. But some of like the horrifying images that you're seeing now of people fighting each other essentially for food. And by fighting, I don't mean like they're fist fighting. I mean, it's just kind of like mob pushing to the front trying to, trying to get some food. But once, once, kind of like the Internet takes notice of something to the point that the mainstream media companies have to report on it, it becomes, you know, nearly impossible to dodge. I mean, just think about the way the mainstream media was able to sell Covid for two years and how much of the population bought into that. And now this is a true story and you're seeing actual information about it. So I do think the wheel is turning. I think you're going to see more pressure applied to Israel to actually make the situation better for the people that are living there. And I think they're going to have a hard time selling it as the, the moral, just war of just going after Hamas that are savages and can't live next to us.

Dave Smith (14:06)

Yeah, no, all great points. And I think that, you know, you can't there, you know, even during, say During COVID Like you talked about the two years where they were selling that even that. I mean it did, it required like a tremendous amount of tech censorship. And you know, it, it, the, the fact was that, and, and we were there, I mean we were in this world. It was like even for the people who maybe didn't get completely banned and kicked off, it was like they, they were very effective at creating an environment where you knew you were really risking something by talking about this stuff. Like, and you know, and that, you know, I mean, it's, I guess we have to run the counterfactual, but certainly the fact that they were doing that censorship indicates that they believed it was very important to do. And I, I would agree with them on, on that. You know, we could, we can't run the counterfactual, but it, it is interesting. Like, could they have gotten away with as much as they got away with if the Internet wasn't censored like that and people really were free to speak out against them? And like, that seems to be the environment that Israel like, like that is a huge part of what kind of just got the toothpaste out of the tube on this whole thing was like, it's just the, the controls weren't working anymore and so there were just people out there just exposing this shit constantly. And then that became, there was such interest in that type of content that it did just become, you know, I, I, I don't think, I don't think Pierce Morgan builds his gigantic show the way he has if he wasn't just constantly having debates about this topic. Like that's the thing that people want to talk about. And in, in that environment where you, where you really have this uncontrolled media, it's almost impossible, I think, to sell a policy like this. I mean, it's like think about what the policy itself actually is. I mean, it's essentially like up to reporting today. Like, I was just pointing to the plan here is what just to destroy got just to destroy the Gaza Strip with 2 plus million people inside it while you're doing IT to level 80% of the buildings, bomb the rubble, kill people by the tens of thousands, maybe end up in the hundreds of thousands when this is all said and done, Maybe we're already there. And then ethnically cleanse and annex the territory is like, that's a tough policy to sell, man. Like, there is no military on the other side of this. There's no war. There's no, like, how do you even sell this? They committed a terrorist Attack. So we're allowed to be terrorists for two years. That's your cell. It's very, very tough when you got people who are, who are out there opposing it freely. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's been in, if nothing else, it's been a real interesting experiment that's been run. I don't mean to say that in a way that's disrespectful to like, the real people whose lives have been destroyed over it, but running this like, kind of experiment of can the, can the US Government get away with, with facilitating the destruction of a people when they don't have control of the propaganda? Like, you know what I mean? Like, what happens when you run that experiment? And that's a very fascinating experiment to run. And it turns out that, it turns out it does really make a big difference. It does really make, like, there's a reason why regimes invest so much in propaganda, because that really does work. Okay, here we got a, a question from the chat. Dave, how do you feel about Joe Rogan refusing to have Bibi Netanyahu on his podcast? Well, I would say that we, the public, do not know what exactly happened there. It's that I don't know. Did you see, Rob, that Benjamin Netanyahu's son tweeted about how Joe Rogan refuses to have his dad on because he couldn't stand up to him and he would stand up to all his anti Semitic something. And I, you know, my, my first thought on it was just like, it is, you know, as I've said many times over the last couple years, it is baffling to me how bad the Israelis are at selling this thing. It's like, that's your angle. Like, even if you were trying to get Netanyahu, trying to get your father on Joe Rogan, like, that's your thing to just call him a Jew hater and say he's a coward for not having him on. Like, why, why would you be trying to just push the most influential guy in America away from you? Like, that just seems really stupid. Now, look, let's say if it's true that, you know, hey, look, I'd say do it. Bring me, I'll go, I'll go to, I'll go debate Netanyahu on, on jra. But I don't know. I, you know, I, like with all these things, I don't think there is a correct or incorrect answer. I could completely understand why someone wouldn't want to talk to Netanyahu. I think it would be interesting if he did have him on and me being there or not. I think, I think Joe would do just fine with him, you know, by himself. Joe's really, really good at interviewing people and he's really, really good at, at calling out, which seems, he makes it seem like that's very easy, but that stuff isn't very easy. It's a real skill that he's phenomenal at. So I, I, you know, like, I'd be like, hey, do it, you know, expose him. But I could also understand just not even wanting to talk to that guy. There's like, there is, there's just, there's a level of evil to all this that I unders. I always understand people just not wanting to be too close to that, but I don't know. You got any thoughts, Rob?

Robbie Bernstein (20:30)

I saw the headline and I did not dig into the story, but just my, my snapshot is that Rogan is absolutely incredible. If he sniffs some bullshit and he wants to prodded it and not let you off the hook and his willingness to sit in that discomfort and kind of own the discomfort and be like, you're not going to bully me out of having this inquiry. But I would say the flavor of the show is more that he likes to have people on that he wants to hear out and he thinks has a fascinating story that he wants to hear about less than he seems to want to have people on specifically to debunk them. That's not really the show that he does. And I know originally he didn't want to have Donald Trump on for a period of time because he felt like it would be an endorsement, I believe, and he didn't want to just kind of give Trump free run to pitch his madness. And I think once Kamala was so bad and Donald Trump had been shot at, and when there were all those other stories, it became more interesting for him to have Trump on and hear him out. And it was a little bit more of an endorsement to allow him to come onto the show and, you know, be Trump and be charming and have the two hours. So I, I can understand why, especially as he's already done the Douglas Murray thing and I don't think Netanyahu would agree for you to be there. I don't think.

Dave Smith (21:47)

No, no, no. I was just joking. Yeah, that's not happening.

Robbie Bernstein (21:51)

I can just understand that it's not really the flavor of Rogan show to be like, hey, I'm going to have this person on just so I can give them a hard time. And I Don't know. That's not really what he does. So it kind of makes sense to me that he wouldn't want to do it.

Dave Smith (22:04)

Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a. That's a good point. And, you know, I think that it does. Look, again, not commenting on what actually happened, because it's. That. That's really not like, Joe hasn't made anything public about any of this, I don't think. But there is something, like, very interesting. You know, look, so what we have in the public is that Benjamin Netanyahu's son said Joe Rogan refuses to have him on. And I. I guess what's. What you could reasonably take away from that is that, like, they are. They wanted to go on Joe Rogan, and they're upset about it, you know, like, who. I mean, unless he's just making the whole thing up. But, like, there's just something really interesting about that that's. They kind of know, like, it's such an admission in a way that it's like, we're losing American support. We gotta get control of this narrative back. We don't have our propaganda apparatus, and where do we have to go? We have to go to Austin, Texas, to sit down with Joe Rogan, because that's, like, the thing that. Decide that's the biggest thing you can do to move the needle or whatever.

Robbie Bernstein (23:18)

Tucker said he would have him on. If you really want to do, you know, mainstream alternative media, go on talker.

Dave Smith (23:25)

He's not. I don't think he's gonna do that. I don't think he's gonna do that because Tucker. Tucker will have someone on just to expose them. And Tucker has in. In the same way that, you know, like, for. For Rogan, I think it was, you know, like, Covid and the. And. And, you know, the. The insanity of the COVID regime and. And the fraudulent nature of the vaccine and all this stuff that Joe really took an interest in that and really read up on it and really knew his. And also, he was personally attacked by the corporate media in a really vicious way. And so that was, like, a thing that he was really on. And in that same set, like, if you had tried, you know, when Dr. Gupta went on his show, Joe Rogan fucking humiliated that guy.

Robbie Bernstein (24:21)

You know, Dr. Gupta, maybe I don't remember this correctly. I don't remember Gupta going after him until Gupta said, why don't you just go ahead and get a vaccine? And he goes, well, I already. I already did. I mean, he's like, I already had Covid. Why Would I get it. And then that kind of really, like. Although he did call him out for the.

Dave Smith (24:40)

Yeah, he wasn't a dick to him, but he did hold his feet to the fire and call out his network and he really embarrassed over the ivor. Yes, yes, yes. The horse dewormer nonsense. But so, you know, the thing is, I think Tucker would be like that with Benjamin Netanyahu. Like, I think. I think Tucker is like, Tucker's already said stuff about how, you know, he's directly called the Israeli government to tell them to stop attacking him. He was threatened, you know, kind of by the former Israeli prime minister. He's like, it's. I think it's become personal to him and he knows his stuff. And I think he would. That would go very, very bad for BB if he were to go on Tucker's show. So I don't think we'll be seeing that. But, man, that, that would be really great. I would love to see that one. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Crowd Health, longtime sponsor of this podcast. I love this company. 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That being said, you know, I, I can certainly understand why some people wouldn't want to do it. And, you know, there are, there's, you know, there's nuance to, to all of these things. Like, I always think. I always tend to be on the side of interviewing, of platforming, to borrow a term I don't particularly like, but I'm always on the side of, like, having the leaders of, of enemy countries on. Like, if there's a conflict or there's about to be a war or we're, we're building up toward, you know, some type of confrontation, I think it's always better to, like, hear from the other side, like, because you want to. It. You always want more, more perspective, more information. Because almost all wars are sold on lies, you know, and so, like, your, your own government, you're getting propaganda from your own government. Now you're going to get propaganda from their government, but at least you see where the other propaganda lines up. And maybe that could lead to an off ramp where it doesn't have to be a war. There is something kind of different about interviewing a foreign leader of a supposed ally who is trying to bring us in, into their wars. That is a little bit of a different dynamic. You know what I mean? So, like, I, I don't know. I certainly understand why, you know, people wouldn't want to talk to, to Netanyahu. And then I also do think, and again, this is not anything I've talked to Joe about, but I do think that you're, you know, it's there, there are incentives to just not do it. Like, there's. You're, you're sticking your hand in a hornet's nest, and you're gonna piss off a lot of people no matter what. Like, no matter what, if you do it, you're gonna piss off people who think you weren't hard enough. You're gonna piss off people who think you were too hard. You're gonna piss. It's just, it is kind of. There's, there's a lot of costs, I think, to doing it. And from what I saw, which I, you know, I guess we. We kind of. Or I kind of stood up for him a little bit on that podcast. But evidently the Nelk boys had taken, like, all types of flack from their own audience over it. Like, their own audience was furious at him. And they had to like, basically, basically do an apology video. Like, if he said, I'm not apologizing, but then did an apology video essentially about it. Did you see that? What I'm talking.

Robbie Bernstein (30:19)

I did see an interview in a car when he said that they given questions to ask and they went off script. But it seemed like, you know, they walked into an intimidating room. Everything was already set up. You got all sorts of people standing around in suits. And I guess the expectation was for an even more. An even more just give me interview than what. What took place.

Dave Smith (30:42)

You know, I've heard people say that, like, evidently this is a thing that's done a lot when you interview, like, you know, heads of state or, you know, high ranking political figures, that they'll come and their people will give you, like a sheet with bullet points on it that'll be like, these are all the administration's accomplishments. Let's talk about all of these things, or whatever. And I think, I mean, I saw. I Sager and Jetty said that he's like, he interviewed Trump a few times and he said he'd get things like that. And he goes, you know, if you're a professional, you just go, oh, thank you very much. And then you put that to the side and then you do whatever you were going to do anyway. But, you know, it sounded at least like the way they were saying it was. They did. They kind of said like, we did break from the script. But you're like, oh, but that's kind of an admission that you're saying, like, like, in order to break from it, you must have been on it at one point. And so I do think, and, and just from the way they were describing it, they were talking about how intimidating the situation was and how there's all these guys in suits and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, like, oh, dude, they handed you a script and you started reading from that script that I will say, and I was defending those guys. That's bad. You really can't do that. There's something about that that is almost like, I don't mean this in, like, the strict legal sense, but in, in some ways you're like committing fraud when you do that, you know, What? I mean, like, you're. You're. There's. There. I do think that there's an implicit contract in some way. Again, I'm not saying this in, like, a legal sense, but I just feel like, like, in terms of what my, like, ethical obligation is to my audience, I think when I'm talking to you right now, there is an implicit, like, statement that, oh, someone else did not give me a script to read. You're hearing from me. These are my real thoughts. And that you really don't want to be in the situation where you're interviewing a foreign leader and they gave you a script that you're reading from. Like, you're not even asking the questions you want to ask. You're asking the questions they would like you to ask so they can set them up. It's like, that's. And it does make you wonder, like, oh, man, how. So how much of what you said in that thing was just the script? Like, did. Did Netanya? Was the Burger King thing in there, or was that you guys? You know?

Robbie Bernstein (33:06)

So, anyway, I'll also just say you can't listen in life. You just. You can't do everything. And, like, if you were to look at, let's say, Fauci during COVID let's say I was just your average layman, and I knew I'm not that comfortable getting the vaccine. I think this guy's lying to me doing. And then you get the offer to have Fauci on your podcast. If you want to do that podcast. Well, you now got to do an extreme amount of homework to actually catch a lie. It's different than, like, let's say you were pro green energy and you liked the Biden administration's plan for windmills, and you get, like, the. The energies are on. You don't really have to prepare for that. You're interested in, oh, they're interested in green energy. I can hear this lady out on what they're trying to do. Whereas if you think it's a scam, you can't just go, well, I don't think that's true. You're gonna have to actually, like, research, like, how much wattage is needed, how much it's caught. Like, you need to know a lot of information to debunk something and conduct an interview. And so if you're Joe Rogan, you're having Netanyahu on amidst all the programming that you're doing and everything that you're doing, unless you're allowed to have someone like you on or someone else who can kind of fact check live, which is not the show he typically does. That's a very difficult interview to do because you're not actually interested in what the guy's doing as much as you want to see if you can catch him or get him to actually exploit, you know what I mean? And so that's, it's just, it's, it's a different show. That's not really what he does. So I kind of, while I agree with you, it's nice to, if you can get these people on the record, if you know that you don't really have this skill set or you don't want to take the time to do the prep so that you can actually catch someone that you think is lying and doing something terrible. I do make, I do think it makes sense to pass on that.

Dave Smith (34:43)

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Robbie Bernstein (36:16)

When I was a kid and I went to Israel, like maybe, I don't know, I must been like 9 or 10 years old, you know, my family had all these religious excursions, clan seeing all the sights and scenes and spending a whole life eating kosher all I wanted to do was go to burger King and McDonald's and. Yeah. And I even remember I came home with, like, these placemats from Burgers and like, Burger King, McDonald's. And my grandfather was a very smart, well read guy, and he's like, I can't believe you brought your kids the other side of the world just so he could get excited about McDonald's. But with all that said, I remember not liking really funny vegan. Yeah.

Dave Smith (36:50)

And liking Burger King. Really?

Robbie Bernstein (36:52)

I liked Burger King absolutely. When I was a kid, I did not eat fast food. I went all the way to Israel and I had McDonald's one night and Burger King four nights. Because I think my parents tried going other places and I was just like, no, I'm eating another burger from Burger King.

Dave Smith (37:05)

It's hilarious not just to be, like halfway around the world, but also like the birthplace of the three major religions. Like, it's just a hilarious place to be. Like, I'm not. I did not. I'm not trashing Burger King. I'm not trash Burger King. Burger King solid. I like McDonald's more, but burger King is solid. I. I can't really eat any of it anymore, but I did always. But even if I did, like, if I went to Burger King right now, I would. I would enjoy it. Like, by the time I'm back in my car, I wouldn't, but I. I would go and enjoy some Burger King right now. It'd be a horrible rest of the day, but that part. That part would be fun. Okay, so Jay asked, what are your thoughts on Lex Freedman cutting out one hour of the Scott Horton podcast? That actually reminds me. I'm supposed to. Yeah, I, you know, so Lex addressed it on. On Twitter yesterday, and I. I had posted a thing that I thought he had a good response, and, you know, I like his response. You know, it was you. It was something about how, you know, basically they went five hours. He. He edited one of the hours out because, like, he said he thought the tone of the debate or something, like, forget his exact word. But then he. He said me and Scott are recording a solo episode later this week and diving deep into all his stuff. So I kind of felt like, you know, Lex is. I like, like he's always been cool to me, and I think that's great that he's having Scott back on. So I, I was just kind of like, yeah, okay, that's cool. I certainly, you know, I, I understand why it bothered Scott. And he said particularly because he. I guess he. There was one Point where Scott said. He. He said, you know, which I know I've had this experience too, but he, you know, said a bunch of stuff, none of it about the Jews, but a bunch of stuff about Israel and the neoconservatives or whatever. And then the guy just goes, oh, yeah, more. More about the Jews. And he said that. I guess the way he edited it, like he did, he edited out what Scott said and then edited out Scott's response to that. And he's like, dude, you left the part where the guy calls me an anti Semite and cut out my response to it. And so, you know, I think that. Look, I think Lex is a good dude. I'm glad he's gonna have Scott back on. I'm looking forward to watching that show. I think it'll be a great one and a great audience for Scott to get in front of. I don't want, you know, I want to facilitate that being a really good show. So I'm not trying to, like, get in a thing with Lex and. And whatever. Like I said, I like him. I do think, generally speaking, the. That debates should not be edited at all. I. To me, yeah, if you're like, it's. I've never, I don't think ever had one edited, but I would certainly be upset if I went and did a debate and they cut part of it out. You're like, yo, no, no, no, no, no. You don't cut that part out. Like, that happened. That was part of it. And, you know, as. Again, it's like we're doing shows on the Internet. There's just no reason not to. There's no reason to not just put the full thing out there and like, if it, you know, if it got tense or it devolved or you think it wasn't productive, it's like, okay. But I think that. And that's what happened. You know, I just think in general that should be. That should be like the standard practice in our industry is that, like, you come here. The. The. For me, it goes without saying, I've never. I don't think I've ever expressed this thought to anyone. I mean, like, maybe if I was like, if like the New York Times or the Washington Post or someone like that was like, you know, asked me to come sit down for a conversation or something like that, I think I would be like, okay, but I want to record it too, and put the whole thing unedited out. But I've never thought to have to ask that. It's not like I ever thought to like, say that to Patrick, bet David or something like that. But certainly I would say my expectations say, like, if I'm going Patrick, but David is hosting a debate versus me versus someone else, and I'm going there. It. It is my just understanding, without it ever being said, that, like, this will air in its entirety. Like, that would be. And I would think the onus would be on you beforehand to be like, hey, I'm gonna edit this, or something like that. So I do think that's just not the way to do it. You shouldn't. Shouldn't edit debates. And also, it doesn't need to be like, if there's.

Robbie Bernstein (42:06)

Unless you're answering and trying to cheat for somebody, or you're so committed to a narrative that you don't like something that was said because you think it really destroys the point that you want to get across, which none of that's honest.

Dave Smith (42:19)

Well, what. I. What bothered me. Which I. Again, I said this publicly. What had bothered me. So I didn't know that until later. I guess this was like. Like, I watched the debate and didn't notice that there was a cut in it. I did. I think, you know, I. Scott had told me, I think that they did five hours, but I never put it together and went, oh, there's only four hours here. I just saw it and was like, oh, he was wrong. They thought they did five, but they only did four. But what did bother me was I did think. I did think Lex was being a bit unfair of a moderator. And particularly the part which I had mentioned before, where Scott was making the point that, you know, the Adelsons have given Trump hundreds of millions of dollars between, you know, the first between the three presidential campaigns, and that at one point, Lex, like, cut him off and goes, no, no, we're not gonna do that. Like, that's that. As if it was like a personal attack or something like that. And you're like, dude, the moderator can't do that. That's like moderating malpractice. Like, you can't. For that's a totally legitimate topic that he's allowed to. Like, how could you tell me I'm not allowed? You know, we're gonna sit here and debate, you know, environmental policy, and I'm not allowed to point out that you took hundreds of millions of dollars from an energy special interest or something like that. Like, what? That's crazy. And the. You know, the fact is that again, like, you know, like, as. As always, which I don't think I've ever been correct me If I'm wrong here, but I don't think I've ever, in, in all the podcasts I've done, in all the debates I've done about the topic of, say, Israel or American foreign policy for that matter, I don't think I've ever once cited an Arab source. Like, I don't think I've ever once been like, no, as this Palestinian historian points out, you know, and by the way, that's my own ignorance. And I'm sure there are great Palestinian historians. I know, like, of one or two, but I've just never, like, those just are never my sources. I'm never like, oh, but this is what the Egyptians said, or this is what my sources are. Always what the US Government people say and what the Israeli government people like. It's always, it's always their own words, like, you don't have to look at anything else. And I think that in a lot of ways, because that's the more powerful and damning evidence. But again, like Sheldon Adelson said in a speech, I believe it was in Tel Aviv, but he said, have you ever seen this speech where he said that the, his greatest regret in life was that he served the US army and not the IDF like his body was when he died? I'm pretty sure I know that part's definitely true. Pretty sure his body was flown to Israel after he died. And so, look, that's fine. You're allowed to have whatever regrets you want to. You could say you wished you had served in the idf. But, like, when you're on record saying that, like, going, my loyalty is to this government over my government, fine. But I do think then when you're given hundreds of millions of dollars to political candidates and campaigns, that that, that should be viewed as what it is, which is essentially a foreign spy donating to. Right? Like, if, if you're on record in your own words saying that, then, okay, your allegiance is with them, and that's fine. But then that kind of, I feel like, should come with stuff, you know, the, the restrictions or whatever. Like, I, I do. I think it is very reasonable. Oh, absurdly reasonable to insist that everybody who serves in government or who contributes vast sums of money to government that their, their priority ought to be their country. And that if your priority is a different country, then you should not be in those roles. I don't think that's unreasonable. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Kalshi. I've been seeing them more and more on social media. If you're like me, you've probably seen them all over the place on social media. I personally have downloaded the app and have been checking it out. Kalshi is America's first fully regulated prediction market. CFTC approved in all 50 states. You can bet on just about anything. Cash in or just see what the world's thinking without the mainstream filter. It's always interesting to watch trends when there's money on the line and. But you know what people are betting on whether interest rates are going to go up or down or how the midterm elections are going to go. All very interesting stuff. Go see. Sign up@cal.com Dave. You can sign up there and start trading right away and see where the markets are. That's Cali, where your gut meets real money. All right, let's get back into the show. Okay, Dave, thoughts on Candace Owens Macron lawsuit. It's crazy. Macaron was delaying Ukraine peace negotiations over it.

Robbie Bernstein (47:37)

Well, do like to keep their manwives a secret.

Dave Smith (47:40)

It. It's. That is. It does seem to be a trend now. Careful, Rob. They do like to sue. So that was satire.

Robbie Bernstein (47:49)

I didn't say my throne. I just said typically speaking, if you're an elite.

Dave Smith (47:52)

Oh yeah.

Robbie Bernstein (47:53)

A man wife. You like to keep it a secret.

Dave Smith (47:56)

Yes, that is true. This is a general statement. There are of course exceptions. There are elites who are very proud.

Robbie Bernstein (48:02)

Think about it. You don't even know too many elites with man wives. Which is just proof of the fact that they're good at keeping it a secret.

Dave Smith (48:08)

It.

Robbie Bernstein (48:08)

That's why I don't hear about it that often.

Dave Smith (48:10)

Did it now, am I? Look, I, I will first disclaim. I don't know anything about this. Like, I literally know that Candace has like did like a five hour presentation on it. I haven't watched it, but I know she did that and I know that they're suing her. And I know that there's a video of that beautiful woman like mushing mackerel and in the face on the plane. That's about what I know. I do. There is something, there's a quality that Candace Owens has that I just find so endearing, which is her courage. Like, she is crazy how much I just saw her already just doubling down after. Like as soon as they're. They're like, oh, they're suing me. She's like, this dude's suing me for calling him a dude. I mean she's just like. And there is something about kid. It's like, she's just fear us like that. That just does not. You know, it's like she's got this quality about her where it's almost like. It's like. It's like talking shit to Jordan or something like that, you know? Like, you. You ever hear those stories about people, like, on, you know, the opposing team, and then, like, the rookie starts talking to Michael Jordan, and then everyone else on the team is like, no, what are you doing? Don't you know you can't do that. You can't do that. Now he's going to put 50 on us. Like, there's just. It's like, if you want Candace to. To shut up, you really better not tell her to shut up. You better not be like, well, I'm gonna call you vicious names, like, all the things that are tactics to shut someone down. She is not, like, moved by that and that.

Robbie Bernstein (49:47)

It was kind of like the Dave Portnoy thing where I remember, like, two years ago, Macron responded in the New York Post saying, like, my wife is a female, and please stop bringing this up. And I'm like, you're just letting people know that this bothers you. Like, you should not even be addressing this. Just addressing this without, like, lifting up her skirt and being like, look, nothing here. You don't. You're not coming forward with definitive proof. You're actually just kind of bitching yourself out. Is you acknowledge that your wife doesn't look like a lady, and you are bothered by the fact that the Internet has taken notice of that. Yeah, good luck with less reporting on that or less interest in the story. Now that you've let everyone know that you acknowledge that your wife doesn't necessarily look like a lady and that you're married to an older lady, even though you're a handsome, powerful man. That's a little bit odd. And you're bothered by us pointing it out. All right, we're done. Fair is fair, politician man.

Dave Smith (50:49)

Yeah, this is. It's really, really. It's really, really hilarious and just really, really poorly handled. And it's.

Robbie Bernstein (51:00)

It's a tough defamation suit. Like, if I were to say, hey, your restaurant's serving rats, and then no one went into the restaurant. And then it was discovered that I'd fabricated the story. And now you no longer have a restaurant because everyone thought you were. You were serving rats in there. You got clear financial damages. In a world of the progressives, where we're supposed to cherish these relationships and we're supposed to cherish that you can be gay what is the financial loss or what is the problem of being. Why do you have a pride? In other words, you. Is Macron saying he has a problem with people that would be married to a man. Wife?

Dave Smith (51:35)

Yeah. Well, this is. There. It's a tough position to be in, being like, the part of the progressive elite. And now arguing that it's effective. Yes. People believing that you're married to a trans person is inherently damaging to you. Now, I get maybe you can get there somehow and you could, you know, make that. But it is a pretty awkward position to be in, to be saying that. Like, the other thing is just the very nature of having to go to court to prove that you are a woman. You just. You kind of already lose that game. Like, that's not a win, you know, like, that's just the end. Then I guess the other. Listen, I have no idea what the truth of it is. I'm just probably. I'm. I'm Joe Six Pack on this issue. I. It sounds like a pretty ridiculous claim. Like, come on. There's no way that's actually true.

Robbie Bernstein (52:35)

Pictures.

Dave Smith (52:36)

Well, the fact. No, please don't, Natalie. But the fact. The fact that Candace, like, is gonna get to go to court and present her case for why she believes this is kind of amazing. I don't know.

Robbie Bernstein (52:50)

Some people in France already lost a defamation seat against this.

Dave Smith (52:53)

I think that's. I. No, I think they. I thought they won.

Robbie Bernstein (52:58)

That's what I meant. Family lost.

Dave Smith (53:00)

The McCrone family lost the defamation suit. Yes, I believe that's right. And so, you know, like, I don't know. Again, also, I think that one was in Europe, whereas this one would be under the U. S. Justice legal system, so that I. I don't know, like, if the standards are different over there or. Or. Or what. But.

Robbie Bernstein (53:21)

Yeah, just like, she's an old hag. She spent too much time in the sun. Leave it alone.

Dave Smith (53:26)

Yeah. He's got to go. He goes. My first witness. I'd like to call my wife. She will be complaining for the next 45 minutes. We think it'll be pretty obvious by the end of that. What's. What.

Robbie Bernstein (53:38)

Yeah.

Dave Smith (53:38)

Anyway, it's interested to see how this goes. Okay. Yo, yo, Dave and Rob, can you get into the claim that the UN Is responsible for the blockade in Gaza, if you haven't already? I joined late. Yeah. I don't even know what. I don't know what type of propaganda that is. I. I'd have to, like, hear the argument, if you can call it that, laid out, but it's just ridiculous. I mean, the UN has been pretty consistently for, you know, 50 years, 40 years at least, you know, condemning what Israel does, trying to push toward a two state solution, opposing the apartheid, opposing the blockade, and they're, they're bailed out by the U.S. and that's, you know, that's pretty undeniably the case. I mean, don't get me wrong, the US will also, you know, admit when Hamas is committing war crimes or things like that. But no, I mean, it's the, the, you really just don't have to work that hard to figure out who's responsible for the Israeli blockade around Gaza. It's like it's the Israeli military that's enforcing it, it's not the UN So I think that's kind of ridiculous. I don't know. Any thoughts on any of that, Rob?

Robbie Bernstein (55:07)

I hadn't seen that storyline, but it doesn't check out to me.

Dave Smith (55:11)

Yes, Dave, when are you coming to Pork Fest? That's a good question. I don't know about that. I do. Always had a great time when I was out there, though. I would love. I will, I will maybe not Pork Fest, but I will definitely try to, to get up to New Hampshire sometime soon. Rob always goes up there.

Robbie Bernstein (55:32)

In September, I believe. September, October, playing some dude's mansion. We're gonna set up the basement and do it. So come on out for that. And then at some point, I'll be back at the shell.

Dave Smith (55:43)

There you go. All right, Dave, how about Fat Randy? Fine thing. We should nuke Gaza like Japan. Yeah, he's. That guy's a monster. I mean, geez, Lindsey Graham just said the same thing the other day, too. Is that something we should, Israel should do to Gaza what we did to Germany and Japan? It's. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, we have that here. Yeah, we could, we could play that and then we'll wrap up. Yeah, that's right. We got the video of Lindsey Graham saying that. Good call, Natalie. Yeah. Here was Lindsey Graham echoing Randy Fine statements. President Trump said he told Prime Minister Netanyahu to, quote, finish the job this week. I know that you are in touch with President Trump, you're in touch with Israeli officials. What are you anticipating is going to happen next? What does finish the job mean, Senator?

C (56:39)

Well, I talked to Cindy McCain last night. Here's some good news for the people in Gaza. Humanitarian quarters are now going to be open. Israel is going to work with the un, The World Food Program, to get some food into these people who need it. But I think what the topic we're talking about today is a change in strategy. I think President Trump has come to believe, and I certainly come to believe there's no way you're going to negotiate an end of this war with Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization who is chartered to destroy the state of Israel. They're religious Nazis. They hold Israeli hostages. I think Israel's come to conclude that they can't achieve a goal of ending the war that would be satisfactory to the safety of Israel. And if they're going to do in Gaza what we did in Tokyo and Berlin, take the place by force, then start over again, presenting a better future for the Palestinians, hopefully having the Arabs take over the west bank and Gaza. But I think going forward, Christian, you're going to see a change in tactics, a full military effort by Israel to take Gaza down like we did in Tokyo and Berlin.

Dave Smith (57:53)

Senator? Yeah, there you go. There's now no more Mr. Nice Guy. Now they're going to go, this is what I was talking about earlier saying as support for this is evaporating, they're going even bigger and bigger. It's like, yeah, I, you know, I don't know what, what can you even say? Like, this is. Now you realize there Hamas is a terrorist organization, so you can't negotiate with them. Some acknowledgement that, oh, the people do need food and then we should take them down like Tokyo and, and Japan. I mean, what is, what is the reference here? Firebombing, nuclear weapons? Like, I don't know, but there seems to be no thought. You've got a completely destroyed Gaza and they're, they're talking about ramping it up. It really is just, I mean, just horrific. Any thoughts, Rob?

Robbie Bernstein (58:51)

Well, leave it to Lindsey Graham to be pitching more war. But I, I guess at least he's being sophisticated enough here to say it's going to be better for the residents of the area, which I'll believe it when I see it.

Dave Smith (59:02)

Yeah, something about dropping bombs on people doesn't usually make them better off, but. Okay, we will wrap up on that one. Thank you guys very much. Catch you tomorrow, 1pm with a brand new episode, Peace.