Today's episode is a special conversation and recap of Elisabeth Condon and my experiences collaborating as visual artists in the ballet project CounterPointe (now in its 12th year) produced by Norte Maar and staged at the Mark O'Donnell Theater (Brooklyn) in March 2025. Jennifer Coates kindly came on to ask us questions about making props and what it was like for 2 newbies to enter the world of dance. Thanks, Jennifer!

Special thanks also to Norte Maar and its co-directors, Julia K. Gleich and Jason Andrew for their support of artists and creative collaboration.

More information about Elisabeth and Amy's work:

Elisabeth: https://www.elisabethcondon.com/ | @elisabethcondon

Amy: https://www.amytalluto.com/ | @talluts

More information about Julia Gleich and Jason Andrew's NorteMaar & CounterPointe12: https://www.nortemaar.org/projects/counterpointe12

Julia K. Gleich's website: https://www.gleichdances.org/

Julia Gleich interview on this podcast: Episode 49

The dances we discussed:

"Vermillion | 10" by Ava Desiderio and Elisabeth Condon

Dancers: Minami Ando, Lucia Betelu

Support structures: Elise Wunderlich

Music by Zero Eklipse and William Pilarte

Lighting: Evan Spigelman

Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025

"And So It Begins" by Margaret Wiss and Amy Talluto

Dancers: Maya Tsuruki Holden and Jaclyn Kriewall

Music by Margaret Wiss

Lighting: Evan Spigelman

Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025

"46 Gordon" by Julia K. Gleich and Nicole Cherubini

Dancers: Michelle Buckley, Kara Chan, Annie Freeman, Amber Neff, Ethan Schweitzer-Gaslin

Lighting: Evan Spigelman

Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025

Special thanks to Jennifer Coates for interviewing us!

Jennifer's website: https://www.jenniferlcoates.com/

Jennifer on IG: @jennifercoates666

Artists mentioned: Henri Matisse, William Kentridge, Florine Stettheimer, Keisha Prioleau Martin, Meg Lipke, Elana Herzog, Nicole Cherubini, Alvin Ailey, Judith Jamison (Dancer), Julia K. Gleich (Choreographer), Jason Andrew

Dances mentioned: "Afternoon of a Faun" by the Ballet Russes, “Minutiae” (1954) Robert Rauschenberg and Merce Cunningham, "Cry" Alvin Ailey

Video mentioned: "How to Make Theater Props" by Eric Bucklein (not actually old but young) https://youtu.be/JSl5Vc8mej0?si=KWGdOxnijBiEEGZc

Book mentioned: Inigo Philbrick "All That Glitters: A Story of Friendship, Fraud, and Fine Art"

Exhibition mentioned: "Edges of Ailey" at the Whitney

All music by Soundstripe

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Ep 87: CounterPointe Report w/ Elisabeth Condon & Jennifer Coates