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Episode: SEO Is Dying? How to Win Search Everywhere in the Age of AI

Host: Kayvon Kay
Guest: Wes Towers, Digital Agency Founder & SEO Strategist
Date: March 5, 2026

Episode Theme & Overview

This episode tackles the pressing question every founder is asking: Is SEO dying in the age of AI? Host Kayvon Kay and Wes Towers, a veteran in digital marketing for the trades/construction niche, expose what's really changing as AI transforms search, trust, and online visibility. The conversation centers on adaptation, building authority, the emergence of “search everywhere optimization,” and why genuine human connection—via trust and reviews—now determines who survives and thrives.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Industry Shifts: From Traditional SEO to "Search Everywhere" (00:00-08:00)

• AI Is Reshaping Search: Traditional keyword SEO is no longer enough as AI platforms (like ChatGPT) and zero-click answers on Google transform the way users get information.
• Business Owners’ Mood: Many are overwhelmed or in denial, worried about being replaced by AI, but the reality is that “humans using AI will 100% replace humans who are not” — Kayvon (05:33).
• Agency's Evolution: Wes describes how his agency adapted after a harsh business valuation hinged on AI uncertainty, leading to their best year by doubling down on AI tools (04:10).

Notable Quote:

"AI won't replace you, but someone using it will." — Kayvon (05:31)

2. Adapting in the Age of AI: What Works Now (08:00-14:00)

• Content Overload & Trust Crisis: With AI making it easy to churn out content, there’s an “overwhelm of information and erosion of trust." (06:12)
• Building Trust: Shift from pure information to trust and authority. The goal: move prospects from social to your website, then into real human conversations.
• Cutting Through Noise: AI-generated blogs are everywhere; to stand out, businesses must create uniquely valuable, human-centric content that directly answers what their ideal client is seeking.

Notable Quotes:

“Everything we do is geared around building trust and authority.” — Wes (06:54)
“Anyone can say anything they want online now. So how can we separate ourselves?... It’s all about bringing something unique and compelling.” — Wes (07:32)

3. The Critical Role of Reviews (09:29-12:00)

• Google Reviews as Trust Signals: Reviews have become a major decision driver and SEO factor.
• Eliciting Positive Reviews: It's harder to get positive reviews than negative ones because “negative emotions are just so much more strong to prompt someone to take action.” — Wes (10:36)
• Human Touch Remains Key: Even as digital tools proliferate, “the human relationship aspect of business has never been more important.” (11:27)

Notable Quote:

“Somebody's more likely to go and complain about you than actually just even give you a five star thumbs up.” — Kayvon (10:16)

4. Maximizing AI Without Losing Human Connection (12:18-14:41)

• Yin and Yang: Need to balance leveraging AI for reach with slowing down for authentic connection.
• Host’s Perspective: Kayvon highlights his own focus on “energy and connection” and cautions AI’s risk of eroding these core business values.

Notable Quote:

“I do believe with AI, we’re going to lose a lot of connection. However, there are people who are craving for that human connection.” — Kayvon (12:38)

5. The New Game: Search Everywhere Optimization (14:31-22:42)

• Beyond Google—Show Up “Everywhere”: The new play is surfacing not only in standard search, but also in LLMs like ChatGPT, Gemini, etc.
• From Keywords to Topics: Old tactics focused on simple keywords; new tactics center on topic clusters, question-based content, and “pillar pages.”
• Brand Mentions in AI: Positive, authoritative brand footprints lead LLMs to reference you even if you don’t directly interact with the user.
• Less Dependence on Backlinks: Authority now more about quality and client-centricity than manipulative backlink tactics.
• Harder to Track Results: Marketers must accept less direct attribution; focus shifts to reputation and strategic visibility.

Notable Quotes:

“You need the best information, and you can’t get that relying on the tool. All that’s doing is collating the average sum total of what everyone else has already said.” — Wes (08:36)
“It really is about being super clear on your ideal client and writing the content precisely for them.” — Wes (20:17)

6. The Evolving Buyer’s Journey (21:13-24:48)

• Fragmented Paths: The classic linear funnel no longer exists. Prospects may first encounter a brand on social, research it via AI chat, then confirm via Google—all before any website visit.
• AI-Influenced Decisions: Real-world story: A client won a $140k+ sale after ChatGPT marked him as “the very best” in Australia, based on the agency’s work (23:35)
• Immediate, Informed Buyers: When prospects do convert, they’re already highly educated—the sales opportunity is more urgent and competitive.

Notable Quote:

“That inquiry point is happening much closer to the buying point. You need to have your best salespeople ready.” — Wes (17:31)

7. Actionable Steps for Founders & Marketers (18:26-25:35)

• Ranking in LLMs:
  • Shift focus from single keywords to topic “pillar” content and conversational Q&A.
  • Take advantage of conversion-focused prompts and structures (e.g., Wes’s “12 Copy-Paste Prompts”).
• No More Shortcuts: Avoid black hat tactics—Google penalizes manipulative backlinking, and those penalties are hard to recover from.

Notable Quotes:

“There’s no real sneaky tricks.” — Wes (20:45)
“With SEO, it’s not quick wins, it’s consistency over time.” — Kayvon (24:32)

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Opening Truth:

  “Are you going to be replaced, or are you going to adapt?” — Kayvon (00:25)

• AI & Human Synergy:

  “Artificial food has never been healthy or good for us… and a lot of this artificial intelligence, it’s artificial so it lacks those pieces that make it healthy and vibrant and sustainable for the long term.” — Wes (11:12)

• Hard Lessons Learned:

  “The few leads that come through, they’re so close to making a buying decision, it’s not funny… You can’t drop them at that red hot moment.” — Wes (17:58)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 — Introduction & Episode Theme: Is SEO Dying?
• 03:39 — How AI Is Impacting Real-World Businesses
• 09:29 — The Outsize Importance of Google Reviews
• 14:31 — The Shift to “Search Everywhere” Optimization
• 18:26 — Ranking in Large Language Models (LLMs)
• 21:41 — How AI Has Changed the Buying Journey
• 23:35 — Success Story: Client Wins Six-Figure Sale from ChatGPT Recognition
• 24:32 — Why SEO Is About Consistency, Not Quick Wins

Takeaways for Founders

• AI is changing search, not killing it: Adapt rather than resist.
• Trust is your differentiator: Focus on reviews, authentic content, and customer experience.
• Think beyond Google: Your prospects are on various platforms; optimize for “search everywhere.”
• SEO fundamentals matter: Pillar topics, direct client solutions, and authority-building are key.
• Avoid shortcuts: Quick-win SEO tricks invite long-term penalties.
• Leverage AI—but stay human: Human connection and adaptability are your edge in an AI-saturated market.

Resources Mentioned

• Wes’s 12 Copy-Paste Prompts for LLM optimization
  (Find in the blog at uplift360.com)
• Direct Strategy Call: Book via uplift360.com

Closing Quote:

“It’s an exciting time to be alive. Adapt, stay human, and keep showing up everywhere your customers are looking.” — Wes (27:19)