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Pivot Podcast
Hosted by Faith+Lead · EN
Over the past few years, church leaders have been forced to respond to several global crises in the blink of an eye. In a moment with little information and lots of uncertainty, churches reinvented nearly every aspect of church.
Season 5 of the Pivot podcast explores the changing landscape of the church. Our co-hosts will dig into difficult questions that faith leaders are asking now, and provide an understanding of the deeper cultural shifts that account for the unraveling of inherited models of church. What are the four key pivots that today's church must make? New episodes post weekly on Thursdays.
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The False Choice That's Been Costing the Church for a Hundred Years
1w ago00:38:25Tap to summarizeThe debate over whether the church's primary calling is evangelism or justice has been running for over a century, and Dr. Al Tizon believes it has cost us more than we know. In this episode, the lead pastor of Grace Fellowship Community Church in San Francisco and affiliate professor of missional and global leadership at North Park Theological Seminary and Fuller Theological Seminary joins hosts Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm to make the case for a missional church grounded in the whole gospel. Drawing on decades of ministry in the Philippines and the United States, Al offers reconciliation as the organizing framework for mission today, one that holds evangelism, peacemaking, compassion, and creation care together rather than forcing a choice between them.The conversation also gets at the heart of Season 6's central question: why is Christian community so hard to cultivate? Al's answer is direct. The church has largely failed at discipleship, forming individuals in private piety rather than communities that embody the values of the kingdom in every arena of life. He shares stories of congregations where holistic mission has genuinely taken root, names the false gospels most tempting to American churches right now, and closes with a candid account of where he is finding hope in a moment that makes despair feel like the easier option.Christ Among the Classes: The Rich, the Poor, and the Mission of the Church by Al TizonWhole and Reconciled – Baker Publishing GroupChristian Witness in Smaller Membership Congregations with Jon Anderson Missio Dei: The Church Sent with Edwin Ortiz-Rivera and Chris Steubing Recruiting, Equipping, and Empowering Church Leaders with Clara King and Dwight Zscheile
Transcribe →The Early Church Was Figuring It Out Too
2w ago00:23:34Tap to summarizeWhat does first century Christianity have to teach the church about belonging today? In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dr. Kristofer Phan Coffman, Assistant Professor of New Testament at Luther Seminary, joins hosts Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm to explore the early church as a community of genuinely unlike people navigating real social upheaval. From the chaos of the Roman Empire to Paul's fledgling congregations scattered across the Mediterranean, Kristofer helps us see that the early church was not a settled institution with established patterns. It was a community figuring out, often under pressure, what it meant to belong to one another across real difference.That history has direct implications for church leaders today. Kristofer challenges the assimilation patterns that quietly shape much of North American Christianity and invites leaders to ask hard questions about who feels at home in their communities and why. Drawing on Paul's letters and the witness of Acts, he points toward self-awareness and deep listening as the foundational practices for forming Christian community in a fragmented cultural moment.Genesis to Revelation: A Bible Overview with Kristofer Phan CoffmanWalking the Narrow Road: Milestones in Church History with Jennifer Hornyak WojciechowskiCrash Course: Church with Stephanie Luedke
Transcribe →God Doesn't Say Follow Your Bliss
3w ago00:38:03Tap to summarizeWhat does it mean to find your identity in Christ, and what does the Old Testament have to say about it? In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dr. Kathryn Schifferdecker, professor of Old Testament at Luther Seminary, walks hosts Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm through the Bible's vision for human community, from the boundaries woven into creation in Genesis, to the covenant at Sinai, to the prophets calling Israel back to account. Along the way, she challenges the modern assumption that identity is something we construct from within, offering instead a picture of people called into being by God and sent into the world to be a blessing.From the call of Abraham to the Sabbath commandment to the words of Amos, Kathryn shows how scripture consistently orients us away from self-fulfillment and toward the flourishing of others, especially the most vulnerable. This is the first of a two-part series on biblical community at Pivot Podcast, and it offers church leaders a grounding and hopeful framework for navigating a culture that has largely forgotten what community is for.
Transcribe →What to Say (and Not to Say) to People Who Are Suffering
4w ago00:35:44Tap to summarizeWhy does God allow suffering? It's one of the oldest and most urgent questions in human experience, and Dr. Rolf Jacobson has lived inside it. Diagnosed with bone cancer at 15 and losing both legs, then decades later walking alongside his brother Karl and close friend Mike through simultaneous cancer diagnoses, Rolf has wrestled with that question personally, pastorally, and theologically. In this conversation with host Dwight Zscheile, he draws on the theology of the cross, the Psalms, and the hard-won wisdom of his own experience to offer some of the most grounded and practical guidance you'll hear on faith, suffering, and Christian community.Rolf talks about what to say and what not to say to someone in crisis, why the impulse to explain suffering usually backfires, and what it looks like for a congregation to truly show up for someone going through the worst. He also shares the story behind his book God Meets Us in Our Suffering, co-authored with Karl and Michael Pancoast, and why he believes the theology of the cross is not abstract doctrine but the most practical pastoral theology there is. Dr. Rolf Jacobson is Dean of the Faculty and Professor of Old Testament at Luther Seminary.The Grace of Just Showing Up (With Cheetos) - MockingbirdGod Meets Us in Our Suffering – Baker Publishing GroupGod and Grief and Loss: Turning on the Light with Michelle Bryant Powell
Transcribe →A Crowd Is Not a Community
Apr 1600:34:34Tap to summarizeWhat does real church community cultivation require? The Rev. Dr. Eun Strawser, physician, author, and pastor of Ma Ke Alo'o, a network of multiplying missional communities in Honolulu, Hawaii, has spent years working out a practical answer to that question. After planting her first church and growing it to 450 people, she realized a crowd had gathered but a community hadn't really formed. Her second church plant took a radically different approach, starting with 15 people, a discipleship core, and weekly community dinners before ever launching a Sunday service.In this conversation with Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm, Eun makes the case that discipleship is the missing link in most churches' understanding of community. She shares what it looks like to form people for neighborhood presence rather than church volunteerism, how to make locally rooted invitations that actually move people, and why the vision of the early church in Acts 2 is less about miraculous growth and more about a countercultural way of life together. If your church is serious about church community building that goes beyond filling seats, this episode is a place to start.Recruiting, Equipping, and Empowering Church Leaders with Clara King and Dwight Zscheile Starting a Fresh Expression of Church with Michael Beck, Dwight Zscheile, and Dee Stoke Starting a Fresh Expression of Church with Michael Beck, Dwight Zscheile, and Dee Stoke Ma Ke Alo o - HomeCentering Discipleship: Connecting the Church to Community Development-Rev. Dr. Eun K. Strawser, Melissa Cabagbag, Kelci Schedler » Christian Community Development Association
Transcribe →The Two Things That Have Always Renewed the Church
Apr 900:30:15Tap to summarizeWhy is Christian community so hard to cultivate in contemporary culture? In this episode of Pivot Podcast, host Dwight Zscheile continues his conversation with Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski, a professor of church history at Luther Seminary, tracing the deep cultural roots of our present challenge. From the Enlightenment's reimagining of the human person as an autonomous individual to the seismic cultural shifts of the 1960s and 70s, Jennie and Dwight examine how Western culture arrived at a place where shared frameworks for truth and the common good have largely dissolved, and how both mainline and evangelical churches have accommodated themselves to that story in ways that have undermined their witness.But the conversation doesn't stop at diagnosis. Jennie draws on two thousand years of church history to identify what has actually produced renewal: communities defined by credible Christian living and the clear proclamation of the gospel. From the mendicant movements of the High Middle Ages to the witness of St. Francis, the pattern holds. In a culture that measures human value by productivity and self-optimization, the message of grace turns out to be genuinely strange and genuinely needed. This episode offers church leaders both an honest reckoning with the forces shaping their congregations and a historically grounded reason for hope.
Transcribe →The Easter Word That Doesn't Expire feat. Jennifer Vija Pietz
Apr 200:09:14Tap to summarize"Your labor is not in vain." It's one of Paul's most direct declarations in 1 Corinthians 15, and Dr. Jennifer Pietz, Assistant Professor of New Testament at Luther Seminary, believes it has everything to do with how church leaders carry their work today. In this Easter reflection, Jenny addresses three common misconceptions about resurrection that quietly hollow out hope in ministry, and grounds each one in what Paul actually argues in 1 Corinthians 15.Resurrection isn't only about Jesus. It isn't only a future promise. And it isn't an escape from the world. It's the present foundation of Christian vocation, and the reason your labor in the Lord is never wasted. If you're a church leader who is tired, discouraged, or simply hungry for a word that goes deeper than Easter Sunday optimism, this reflection is for you.Mary Magdalene, La Malinche, and the Ethics of Interpretation by Jennifer Vija Pietz (Lexington Books/Fortress Academic, 2022)
Transcribe →The Roots of the Crisis of Community in the West
Mar 2600:30:52Tap to summarizeCultivating Christian community can feel really hard today, but the reasons run deeper than most church leaders realize. In part one of this two-part conversation, Luther Seminary professor Dwight Zscheile sits down with church historian Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski to trace the roots of today's loneliness epidemic and discipleship crisis from the Renaissance through the Enlightenment and into our present moment. Along the way, they explore how thinkers like Locke, Rousseau, Mill, and Nietzsche quietly reshaped the West's story about what it means to be human, and how that story is now shaping the people sitting in your pews.This conversation won't offer a quick fix for church community building, but it will give you something more valuable: clarity about the cultural forces you're actually working against, and a renewed sense of why the church's vision of human life together is more countercultural and more needed than ever. Part two will pick up with the 20th century and explore what all of this means for faithful church leadership today.Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth: 9780593850633 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: BooksCommon Sense by Thomas PaineThe Confessions of Jean Jacques Rousseau, by Jean Jacques RousseauThe Project Gutenberg eBook of The Confessions of Saint Augustine, by Saint Augustine
Transcribe →When Fear Became Normal, the Church Got Real
Mar 1900:29:44Tap to summarizeWhat does Christian community look like when a city is in crisis? In this first episode of Season 6 of the Pivot Podcast, Faith+Lead scholars Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm go inside the last eight months in the Twin Cities, a period marked by targeted violence, a school shooting, and a large-scale federal immigration enforcement operation that left communities shaken and afraid. The church showed up quietly and persistently across every theological tradition, delivering food, organizing legal assistance, moving worship into living rooms, and rallying around members who were detained and flown out of state without warning.This episode explores what crisis reveals about the difference between Christian community and mere membership, and why genuine belonging looks nothing like a program. It also launches a season-long conversation about why cultivating Christian community is so hard right now and what a faithful response might look like. If you've ever wondered whether the church still has something irreplaceable to offer a fractured world, this episode is your answer.
Transcribe →Most Americans Still Believe in God. So Why Aren't They in Your Church?
Mar 1200:32:33Tap to summarizeWhat does Ryan Burge's research on religious nones reveal about the Americans sitting just outside your church doors? In part two of this two-part conversation, Dwight and Alicia continue their discussion with Dr. Ryan Burge, data scientist and author of The Vanishing Church, diving into what the data actually shows about faith, formation, and the roughly seven out of ten Americans who are neither fully in nor fully out of religious life. The picture is more nuanced, and more hopeful, than most church leaders expect.Ryan walks through what the numbers say about the much-discussed religious revival, why theological formation has always been harder than pastors assume, and what it would actually take to reach a generation starting with zero religious background. He also makes a compelling case for what churches uniquely provide that nothing else in American life can: genuine contact across difference, the kind that makes it hard to hate the person next to you. If your congregation is wondering who's really out there and how to reach them, this conversation is a grounded and honest place to start.
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