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Welcome to A Slob Comes Clean, the podcast. I am Dana K. White. I share my personal desalobification process as I figure out ways to keep my own home under control.
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I share the truth about cleaning and
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organizing strategies that actually work in real life for real people, even people who don't love cleaning and organizing. Thanks for joining me today. This is podcast number 500. Y' all know what that means, right? I have a special guest joining me today. Guest? Can you introduce yourself?
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Hi, I'm Bob. Are you still considered Noni?
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No. No, I haven't been Noni for a really long time.
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Okay, well, I'm Dana K. White's husband. How's that?
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Okay. Do you remember what Noni stood for?
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I thought it stood for Anonymous.
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You were right.
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Yeah.
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Actually, there are a lot of people who still know me as Noni, so
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that wasn't so ridiculous after all.
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Okay, please explain that you're being funny, because, you know, there's people who think that I'm mean to you.
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You are not mean to me. We are just super hilarious. And some folks just maybe don't have that level of sense of humor. Maybe I shouldn't be saying that, but we are just super funny and we have our own style and on the way we do things and. Oh, my gosh, you're so nice to me. You're so nice to me. Did I say it right? Did I say it correctly?
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I will allow it. Yeah. Okay. I don't think they can be pleased, so I'm not going to worry too much about it.
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All right? Okay.
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So I'm going to ask you some questions.
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This is your fifth time on the
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podcast, which means I've had 500 episodes.
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Yeah, 100 times. 5. 500. Nailed it.
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So tell me, what do you think
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I talk about on my podcast? Because you don't listen. So I just want you to guess, like, what do you think?
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I talk about how to make sure the dishes are washed and you run the dishwasher every night and make sure that the container serves its purpose as a container and that they get the black trash bag and make sure and put all the. They start with the trash and all these kinds of things. I assume you're just pounding home all of your techniques and things.
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That was actually really good.
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Man, I was scrambling.
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No, you really spouted off some of the basics that I really do talk about over and over.
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I'm living this. I am living this. So I hope so.
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What do I always remind you when you question my methods?
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Can to not question Your methods?
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No, I say, you know, I'm some
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type of expert, something like that. Some type of organizing expert on the Internet or.
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Yeah, I usually say things like, you know, I've written a book that's sold like 500,000 copies.
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Oh, yeah, that. Yeah. Okay then. Yes, ma'. Am. You tell me that on a regular basis and I. Okay.
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All right, so here's a couple questions. Tell me, what is your favorite thing about living in a. Are you listening to me or did you get a text that makes you.
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No, no, no, no.
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Okay.
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It's a little pressure.
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Okay. Nobody knows if this is your real favorite thing. You can make up anything. That's the great thing about podcasts. Okay, so what is your favorite thing about living in a Decluttered Significantly more functional than it used to be home.
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I think it's just less stressful that things are not. How should I say this in the way they're not scattered and that can just be stressful and exasperating. So I would just say that is that Just adds to a more calm, pleasant home experience. Not that you don't do that yourself, but that just that appearance comes across as more like. Again, more. More calm and stress free.
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Stress free.
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I knew. I knew it. I knew as soon as I messed up. Stress free.
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Yes.
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Right. So, like, what are some things that are easy to do, easier to do now than they were back when the house was always a disaster?
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Well, to know someone is stopping by, the world doesn't, you know, come crashing down or we're not in a panic over someone stopping by when we need. When we do need. When we do need to clean up or do something. It's not this monumental task ahead of us. It's. Now there's some work involved, but it seemed like it's easy to get back under control when we need to. The fact that I think we know whether it's just me or the kids, we know what you mean, and we know your expectation and what we've instilled in our home when we need to get those things done. So I think there's also a knowledge base now that we live and practice in our home.
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Yeah. Yeah. I talk about that a lot, that I had a vision in my head of what I really, really wanted our house to look like. But y' all had no concept of that vision because it had never been like that. It had never consistently been picked up. So for me to say we need to start picking up was like, I'm sorry, what? I mean, you knew, right? But especially the kids. And even. Even for you. And I speak this to other, you know, to the people listening a lot. But I see it as. You only knew what you were seeing, which was that I didn't do the dishes all the time, and I didn't pick up consistently at all. Like you said, it was always this big, monumental thing. And so for me to say we're going to start picking up, you know, what it means for a house to be picked up. But you didn't know what I meant because you'd never seen me.
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Right? Yeah. I mean, it took a while, but it slowly became our reality. And you didn't give up, and you believed in what you were doing, and we eventually came around.
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So can you think of anything that you regret decluttering anything that we've gotten rid of over time that you are like, I can't believe we got rid of that.
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I don't know that this was. I don't think it's actually related to. There are some things that we threw away, maybe in our first years of marriage that I wished we had enough, but we did just like what A lot of my old bodybuilding magazines got thrown away when we moved here. And just because it was just, you know. So I wish they hadn't thrown away so many of those since they're kind of anyway that I know that's kind of goofy, silly, but I think we were trying to get moved and you use option, you know, you use times of transition to make those. I mean, we're seeing that now with, you know, even with my sister and their move and. And different things. And I think it's just natural thing when you make that move or transition, you'll go, I don't need these things. But I. I do wish some of those I had not have thrown away.
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That was before I started doing any of this stuff.
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Right.
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So what do you think we might have done differently now that would have been different? I mean. Okay, let me ask this first, because I think it's completely normal to be sad that you got rid of some things. Are you okay?
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I'm okay. I think probably would have done differently. You probably would have. We'd probably said, pick 10, pick so many that could go in this box and those will be your ones. Just again, maybe not all of them, but looking back going, oh, I wish I hadn't seen that one in forever. And I know that it's kind of silly, but still, it was just one of those things I wished I hadn't thrown away like this special issue or that first issue of this something, because I did have a few that I think were kind of cool and I wish I hadn't of.
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Have you survived?
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I have survived and figured out a way to not do that with other things. But again, I don't. I think it was. I also think it was kind of a. I won't say a panic, but it was when you're moving, you're stressed and you're trying to get things loaded and you're going, let's just get rid of these things. And then later on you go, maybe I should. But. But since we've been doing this, I feel like when I get rid of something or we declutter something, it's like, okay, it's legit. This needs to go. This just needs to go. This is. I mean, I have not looked at that. I have not worn that. That does not serve a purpose. And again, I'm living without those old bodybuilding magazines. I'll live without those things. But I think now it's just. I Kind of feel like now it's. There's more, I guess, legitimacy when we do declutter. Like, hey, no, this is solid. This needs to go.
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Well, I, I mean, stop me if I'm wrong, okay? But I look at that as, like, I can absolutely relate to that. Because when, when we moved, that would have been what, after our first couple years of marriage, we moved to our first house. You think? Or when we moved to. From that house to this town. Okay, so that was the house. I've told them before that it was 1700 square feet. We rented a U Haul.
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A rather large U Haul.
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Yeah, it was a large. It was a U Haul that was supposed to fit, if I can remember. I'm sure I've looked it up at different times and actually said it correctly, but it was like over 3,000 square feet is what it was supposed to fit. And we did like two minivans full, a truck full, and all this stuff in addition. So we were completely and totally overwhelmed. And so in that time, it was very. Because I think of all the stuff we did pack and that was pro. Those were probably some things that had been in boxes since we moved there. And so it's like we packed all this stuff, we're completely overwhelmed and we just. Let's just get rid of these. Is that kind of the vibe that you remember?
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Yes. And I did feel a little sad when I was doing it, but I just felt like we needed to. But again, it's that what I just said before, that chaotic mindset that I think we were still going through at that time. We're trying to move. Oh, my gosh, we've got this huge U Haul. We still don't have enough room. Here I am wanting to keep all these ridiculous bodybuilding magazines. No, they need to go where now.
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We have a method, we have a process that we go through. So what you're saying is now when you get rid of things, you feel like it's. You're confident in those decisions?
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Well, I mean, I think do it now when it's time, not do it when it's forced on it. I think like that was a forced on us kind of situation that we needed room we were worn out from. We were trying to get moved. Whereas now when we declutter, it's not out of. It's not, it's not out of frantic or chaos. It's. It's, you know, it's going into the closet and going, what in the world? Okay, I need to do some work in here and, And I'm I'm at peace with with with those things.
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that move to the move to this house, which was. So that move was. The move you're talking about was several years before I started even doing what I call my dislapification process. Like, it was, it was actually that plus a whole bunch of other stuff that got me to my rock bottom. But then I did this and what, 13 years later we moved here.
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So.
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Or probably longer than that. I don't know, whatever. How would you compare those two moves?
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I mean, I don't even think there is a comparison really. I'm pretty sure we did do some getting rid of some things, but again, I mean, just because your eyes are open to all these things that you're trying to get moved and you look at it and you go, what in the world is this? Or why do we still have these? So I think it was just, it just, it was, it wasn't out of chaos or stress or we don't have room. It's oh yeah, this needs to go. Oh yeah, it's time for. It's time to let go of this and do it in a. Not, you know, not do it out of guilt or do out of. But just do it in a way out of peace. Like, yeah, it's time we can with this needs to go. We have better use for our space than these things. And I don't need. But yeah, so I don't know if that was the best example earlier, but I do look back and go, I wish I got rid of all those.
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I think, I mean, I like where that conversation went because I think it's, it's that all or nothing mentality of I'm going to wait and do this when I have to because won't it be easier then? Surely I'll be a. You know, I mean, I. I hear from people who thought like, well, a lot. Sorry. See, I messed up there too.
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No, I didn't even notice.
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That was sarcasm, people. Okay, so what was I talking about?
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The comparison of the move, the previous move.
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Oh my word.
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The stress, the chaos sometimes.
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But yeah, it's an all or nothing mentality. It's that it's gonna be easy. You know, I hear from people out here like I just need to move or I just need this big thing someday when I'm forced to do this thing, that's when I'll actually do it. And I. So I have a book coming out about procrastination in the fall, in October. And by the way, I read the whole thing to you while we took a like eight hour drive. So did you like it?
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I was rather impressed because I did not know what a book about procrastination would be. At least being read to while I'm driving. But it was, it kept me focused, interested. And I loved how you're able to use what you're already talking about and apply it to a different way of looking at procrastination, but using in many ways your methods that you already have and how those can be applied to handling and managing. Not curing procrastination per se, but managing it and managing making progress, which is so much of what we need to be about is just making progress and moving forward.
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That was a little plug. Anyway, it's coming. I really haven't talked about it much yet, but I just figured I'd get them on tape saying that real quick anyway. But, but I do. I think it's that all or nothing. Like I'm going to put this off until I'm forced to do it and then at that point I won't have any choice. And then it will be easier, right? Like won't it be easier then? But it isn't. And that's. That's when certain regrets happen. Not that we don't still have to do it. I mean we really had no choice at that point. And so those regrets, they are what they are and we've lived through them and they're.
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I'm sure there's things I could think
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of that I'm sad that we also got rid of. But there's so much to not waiting until we're forced.
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There's.
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It's so helpful to be able to make process based, strategy based decisions in the midst of everyday life instead of being Forced into decisions because that's when things happen. He's nodding vehemently.
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Well, again, I think it's. You're not as in control of the situation. The situation itself is. The stress of the situation, the demands of the move, the stress of the move, the, the, the deadline, the cutoff date of trying to do all those things is, is pressure. And maybe, maybe in some ways you need that, but you may make some decisions that later. I wish I hadn't done that. Whereas if. If you're on a somewhat of a regular routine of decluttering or a regular routine of just being able to objectively look at your home and your house and your closets and your space and go, yeah, I need to do some work in here and make good, solid, sound decisions that you won't regret and you'll be at ease about. And then when you see that space and it's less stressful and you're less worn out from having to deal with it and know that's one more thing you don't have to worry about, which
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is the container concept that there aren't floating piles all the time of things. Because that's a big part of the procrastination is, oh my goodness, that's a pile I'm gonna have to deal with. Where. When things actually have places, then you do notice when things are out of place. And then therefore it's a natural reminder to deal with that thing and deal with it not in a. But I feel like when the whole house was just all piles, we almost felt like we had to wait for a big event for it to do it. Where when the house is not piles and then a pile occurs, then we're like, oh, okay, we have to deal with that pile. And there's just something about. It all becomes invisible when there's just stuff everywhere.
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I feel like, well, and it's. And it's. It's overwhelmed that when you get a situation, it's overwhelming. But when it's not overwhelming, you're able just to make those better decisions. And you're also more willing to maybe attack it rather than something that's overwhelming. You just want to. Not that you don't you see it, but you just. You just can't even deal with it right now. Or it's just like, it's just not worth it, it's going to take too much. I'm going to let a situation force me into it, then I'll deal with it. But otherwise you're in control of that situation and you can Manage it.
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You're doing so good.
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Do you think people are going to be okay with the bodybuilding magazine reference? Do you think they're gonna.
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Can I brag on you for a little bit or can I brag about what you just did recently?
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Oh, I guess so, sure.
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So he was in a powerlifting competition last week at the point where we're recording this and he hit his thousand pound total. We went over his thousand pound total that he was going for. So it's three lifts. It's your squat, bench press and deadlift. And the goal was for his totals combined to be over a thousand pounds. So he did it last year too. But you didn't hit a thousand pounds last year. So that was his personal goal for that. And, and then he got. His squat was over 350 and his deadlift was over £450. So. And, and he kind of was like everybody's favorite, which is normal for him. It happens everywhere he goes somehow, but it really is true. But it was so cute. There were these college students there to see one of their friends and they decided they liked the name Bob. And so every time he would go up there they would chant Bob, Bob, Bob. And it was just, I mean it was just one of those things. It was a very, very fun, like I really like the environment of, of the people were very supportive of each other and it was really fun. So I was really proud of you. So he's very into. Yeah, powerlifting, weightlifting, that kind of stuff.
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Okay, I do want to ask you a couple more questions. Let's talk about empty nesting. Like, what's different now? I just, I, you know what, what is different as far as the way the house runs or anything like that. Now I feel like also part of the way the house has run since we've been empty nesters has been due to the fact that I've been on ridiculous numbers of book deadlines basically the entire time that we've been empty nesters for a year and a half or two almost now.
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But, yeah.
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So what's different now that we're empty nesters?
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What's different? And I kind of. It's funny, I kind of know what the same is, but I know different. You know, it's just there's not as much to try to manage and maintain when we don't have three, you know, there's three less bedrooms we're really monitoring and having to check on and bathrooms and that kind of thing.
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So not three less bathrooms, but three less. But three fewer. Sorry, three fewer bedrooms.
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Are you gonna do your little grammar dance thing that you did? So three fewer. Three fewer bedrooms and things. So not. I mean, but that's just because those are things that we would have to. When, when you have a house full of three other people, you're watching and managing those things and saying, hey, you need to check your room. Hey, make sure you get these things. And so just with, you know, I think that's just a very practical thing. There's just less. Less to manage and less to have to. Have to, I guess, worry about. But I mean, there's. To me, there's a lot of things that are still the same. So.
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Like what?
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I cannot believe how many dishes we're still washing.
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Right?
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I mean, we actually do a lot of cooking at home, so we. We're still using a lot of dishes, pots, pans. That's what gets me is the. Just it's the two of Us and how much we start to stay on top of the kitchen and the dishes and those kinds of things.
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And we still need to run the dishwasher every day.
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I would say pretty much every day. It's pretty close that we need just with us two here, which we do
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run it every day. I think you're saying it's pretty close to being completely full every day because we run it even when it's not completely full.
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Yes. Yes, ma'. Am. I don't know. I feel like the fridge is just as full of food than when we have kids here. It's interesting how I just feel like, I feel like they're our trash. We're still putting out pretty much two trash bins every Friday. That with just us too. So I don't, I don't know how that happens, but some of that still is the same with just us two.
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I think that's interesting because it, I, I feel like it's that same thing that I know I spoke with so much confidence before we had kids and before I was a stay home mom, I was like, once I'm a stay at home mom, this, this, this, and this is going to be this way. And it's like actually a lot of stuff. Nothing gets easier or I mean, things do get harder with different phases of life. But like, you know, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying.
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Well, and I will say that usually the washer and dryer are easier to get to. And I don't, I'm not opening up the dryer with somebody else's clothes in there as much. Still a little bit. But yeah, like the washer and dryer, you can just print it. Whenever you need to do something, you can pretty much do it.
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That's true.
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Not that I didn't love having our kids when they were here, but. But that is just one thing. There's just a little bit like this is just. This is pretty much our home. I mean, it's almost like when we can just come to do, you know, there's more room in the driveway to park, you know, all those, all those little things. So, you know.
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Yeah, and you've taken on a lot of the, you've taken on a lot of cooking over the last. I don't know about a lot, but you usually cook at least one night a week, sometimes two nights a week, wouldn't you say?
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Especially if you add in the weekend and all the little special breakfasts I make for you and all that. So I think it Adds up.
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You been telling about my special breakfast lately?
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Sure.
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How you do it. Because it's really, really good.
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So we get. I brown some turkey sausage because we are breakfast sausage, because we are doing, I would say, pretty well in our eating. So we're making some better choices. But I will brown some turkey breakfast sausage. Then I will put some hash browns in the air fryer, which that is a perfectly healthy option because you're not deep frying them. It's just grated potatoes. So put them in the. Put them in the air fryer. I scramble one egg. I put the. I make a little bowl out of it. I put the hash browns at the bottom of the bowl. And then. Then either the egg or the sausage and the cheese. I just kind of. It's pretty close the same. And Dana just loves this little. It's a good. It's got a good amount of protein. I'm probably gonna have a little more protein, but that's fine. But it's just a good, solid, healthy breakfast for her. And the way I make it, she just loves it.
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Yeah.
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During our ice storm that we had recently, that kind of. And I was busy, busy, busy working
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on a book and I was home missing school. So anyway. Yes.
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And so every morning he would make me that. So now anytime on the weekend, he'll make me that usually. So.
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Okay.
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Well, this has been really fun. Is there anything else you want to tell people?
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They know about your children's book? I'm sure. Which. Your children book's awesome. I think your children book is really pretty cool. And so anyway, I really think the procrastination book is. Will be a pleasant surprise. I really think it's going to be a pleasant surprise. Not that. Not that it wouldn't be pleasant, but. Oh, my goodness, a book about procrastination. No, I think you'll. I think you'll like it. So I highly recommend it.
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Yeah. I mean, I. Let's just be honest. But I feel like it was the same way with decluttering. Right. Like, my whole goal was always for it to be the least boring book about decluttering you've ever read.
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That's true. You think about a book about decluttering. Oh, my word. If you just stop and objectively think about a book about decluttering. Yeah, let's.
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That does not sound fun. It does not sound interesting.
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No, let's just. Let's just move.
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Well, I literally this week had somebody email and say, or maybe it was a YouTube comment or something and said, I have just been reading your book about decluttering. I cannot believe that I actually want to keep reading it. I'm enjoying it so much, and I'm like, that's always my goal. So that's the goal with the procrastination book, too, is that it doesn't make you feel. Anyway, why am I talking about this? Because it's not even really up for pre orders. But anyway, be looking forward to it. I'll talk about it a lot more. But I did want to get his take on record because, like I said, he was pleasantly surprised.
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That's all I got.
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That's all he has. Okay. This was fun, and I appreciate you coming on.
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And
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I really feel bad about laughing at you messing up a word. Did that hurt your feelings?
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No. You're. You're just being you. It's. It's who we are. It's. It's us. We're comfortable doing this.
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Okay. All right, well, this is fun. And I will talk to y' all next week. All right, bye.
Podcast: A Slob Comes Clean
Episode: 500: Talking With Bob – Decluttering Regrets, Moving, Empty Nest, and More
Host: Dana K. White
Guest: Bob (Dana’s husband)
Date: March 5, 2026
In this milestone 500th episode, Dana K. White is joined by her husband, Bob, for a candid, humorous, and insightful conversation about the realities of decluttering, moving, regrets, and life as empty nesters. Together, they reflect on the evolution of their home life, the emotional journeys of letting go, and practical strategies for managing household tasks. The episode is full of relatable anecdotes, gentle humor, and lived wisdom, all delivered in the signature down-to-earth tone Dana's listeners know and love.
[00:47 - 02:28]
Dana prompts Bob to describe what he thinks her podcast is about (since he doesn’t listen). Bob lists off her core cleaning principles: running the dishwasher nightly, the container concept, starting with the trash, and more.
Notable Quote:
Bob: “I'm living this. I am living this. So I hope so.” (02:28)
Dana’s Reminder to Bob: She reminds him that she’s a recognized expert, even a published author—something she lightly teases him with when her methods are questioned.
[04:38 - 05:37]
Less Stress and More Calm:
Bob: “I think it's just less stressful that things are not ... scattered. Just adds to a more calm, pleasant home experience.” (04:55)
Easier to Tidy Up:
When visitors drop by, cleaning is not a momentous effort anymore. Family members know what’s expected, and there’s a shared knowledge base for keeping things orderly.
Dana: “I had a vision in my head of what I really, really wanted our house to look like. But y’all had no concept of that vision because it had never been like that.” (06:35)
[07:48 - 12:57]
Bob’s Regret:
He misses some old bodybuilding magazines that were thrown away in a rushed move, long before Dana’s decluttering process began.
Reflection on Past Moves:
Together, they recount the stress of moving and the rash decisions that can be made under pressure versus now, when decisions are more deliberate and peaceful.
Notable Quote:
Dana: “It’s completely normal to be sad that you got rid of some things. Are you okay?” (09:08)
Bob: “I have survived and figured out a way to not do that with other things.” (09:40)
Current Approach vs. Old:
Now, they make decluttering decisions when it’s time—not under duress. There’s peace and legitimacy in letting things go.
[16:15 - 20:33]
Contrasting Two Major Moves:
The earlier move was chaotic, overwhelming, and stress-fueled (with a massive, overfilled U-Haul). The more recent move (after Dana started decluttering) was smoother, less pressured, and felt much more controlled.
Strategy Instead of Chaos:
Decluttering is now a regular process, so they’re rarely forced into rushed decisions they might regret.
Dana: “It’s so helpful to make process-based, strategy-based decisions in the midst of everyday life instead of being forced into decisions — because that’s when things happen.” (20:13)
[18:01 - 19:29]
Dana Teases Her Upcoming Book:
She shares about her forthcoming book on procrastination, written in her same practical, reality-based style.
Bob’s Endorsement:
He was “rather impressed,” noting that the methods apply to managing procrastination and making progress.
Bob: “Not curing procrastination per se, but managing it and managing making progress ... which is so much of what we need to be about.” (18:50)
[21:33 - 23:00]
[23:11 - 24:38]
[26:18 - 31:50]
[31:51 - End]
Bob encourages listeners:
He praises Dana’s children’s book and again champions her upcoming book on procrastination, promising it’s not boring.
Dana shares listener feedback:
She reads comments from readers surprised by how enjoyable her decluttering books are.
Dana: “My whole goal was always for it to be the least boring book about decluttering you've ever read.” (32:19)
Humor and Connection:
The episode ends with a bit of playful teasing and affirmation of Dana and Bob’s dynamic: “It's who we are. It’s us. We’re comfortable doing this.” (33:29, Bob)
Dana, on home transformation:
“I had a vision in my head of what I really, really wanted our house to look like. But y’ all had no concept of that vision…” (06:35)
Bob, on decluttering regret:
“I wish they hadn’t thrown away so many of those [magazines] since they’re kind of… anyway that, I know that’s kind of goofy, silly, but…” (08:02)
Bob, on making decluttering decisions:
“Now when we declutter, it’s not out of frantic or chaos. It’s... going into the closet and going, what in the world? Okay, I need to do some work in here and, and I’m at peace with, with those things.” (12:28)
Dana, on decluttering as a process:
“It’s so helpful to be able to make process based, strategy based decisions in the midst of everyday life instead of being forced into decisions because that’s when things happen.” (20:13)
Dana, on her writing style:
“My whole goal was always for it to be the least boring book about decluttering you’ve ever read.” (32:19)
Dana K. White and her husband Bob offer a genuine, funny, and ultimately encouraging look at how decluttering transformed their household, relationship, and routines. Listeners will find comfort in their honest discussions of regrets, transitions, and the ongoing challenge of managing home and life. There’s no pretense—just lived experience, process-focused advice, and proof that even experts can laugh at themselves (and each other). The episode also teases future projects, celebrates small and big milestones, and embodies the real-life application of Dana’s core cleaning philosophies.