Introducing: The Dylan Hour with Dylan Mulvaney - Podcrushed

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Podcast Summary: Podcrushed - Introducing: The Dylan Hour with Dylan Mulvaney

Episode Title: Introducing: The Dylan Hour with Dylan Mulvaney
Release Date: April 9, 2025
Hosts: Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, Sophie Ansari
Guest: James Francis Mulvaney Jr. (Dylan Mulvaney’s Father)

Introduction

In this special episode of Podcrushed, hosts Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, and Sophie Ansari shift the spotlight to The Dylan Hour, a vibrant new podcast hosted by the renowned transgender actress and influencer, Dylan Mulvaney. The episode serves as an introduction to Mulvaney's show, featuring a heartfelt and candid conversation between Dylan and her father, James Francis Mulvaney Jr. This episode delves deep into their personal journey, exploring themes of family, self-discovery, and mutual growth.

Introducing The Dylan Hour

The episode begins with Podcrushed announcing their collaboration with The Dylan Hour, describing it as a "delightful 1960s-inspired pink confection" that embodies fun and engaging conversations. Penn Badgley narrates the flavor of Mulvaney’s podcast, highlighting its blend of lightheartedness and meaningful dialogue with a diverse array of guests, including pop stars, Broadway artists, and authors.

Notable Quote:
Penn Badgley [00:50]: "The Dylan Hour is a delightful 1960s inspired pink confection of a podcast in this fun, very fun weekly video podcast."

A Day in the Life of Dylan Mulvaney and Her Father

The heart of the episode revolves around a series of intimate and amusing interactions between Dylan Mulvaney and her father. They reminisce about their childhood, sharing fond memories and humorous anecdotes that showcase their unique bond.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [05:16]: "I'm James Francis Mulvaney, so he is known. You got to talk in the mic, though, dad."

James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [09:29]: "What's been the hardest part of sobriety, would you say?"
Dylan Mulvaney [09:19]: "High five."

Their conversation touches on James Jr.'s 19 years of sobriety, attributing his transformation to the birth of Dylan. He openly discusses his challenges and the positive changes that have come from living a sober life, emphasizing the importance of family support.

Notable Quote:
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [09:18]: "I want you to give me my 20 year. And that's a big deal because without that, I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't have you as my beautiful daughter."

Shared Passions and Mutual Influence

Dylan and her father explore the mutual influences they've had on each other's lives. James Jr. shares his love for baking cookies, a tradition that has become a cherished family staple, while Dylan discusses her passion for shopping and storytelling. Their dialogue highlights how they've introduced each other to new interests, blending their different worlds harmoniously.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [05:37]: "And the presentation's always the Costco paper plate."
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [05:19]: "And I just got you a pair, just in case."

The segment also covers their travels together, including memorable trips to Scotland and Bali, where they've experienced both adventures and shared cultural moments. These experiences have strengthened their relationship, fostering a deeper understanding and respect for each other’s perspectives.

Navigating Public Perception and Media Attention

A significant portion of their conversation addresses the challenges they've faced due to Dylan's rising fame and public visibility as a transgender woman. James Jr. candidly discusses interactions with strangers and the intrusive questions posed by the media, emphasizing his pride and support despite the negativity.

Notable Quote:
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [22:37]: "The positives is. I've never been prouder in my life about anybody and anybody that I've been around. The negatives are having the assholes coming up to me and asking me, you know, has she had a sex change or is she this and that?"

Dylan adds her perspective on coping with public scrutiny, highlighting the importance of family support and resilience in the face of adversity.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [22:47]: "It is disgusting. It's only. It's usually just the macho male that does that. No female is."

Personal Growth and Mutual Respect

The dialogue shifts towards personal growth, with both Dylan and her father acknowledging the changes they've undergone individually and collectively. Dylan expresses gratitude for her father’s evolving understanding and acceptance of her identity, which has allowed her to see him not just as a parent but as a friend.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [20:54]: "Cause I felt like I have to make sure you're taken care of. And I got, you know, I was at work. But you came to visit. It was so funny."

James Jr. reflects on how his experiences with Dylan have enriched his own life, making him a more thoughtful and patient individual.

Notable Quote:
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [21:22]: "I'm conservative and you're liberal, but yeah. We're working on that."

Lighthearted Anecdotes and Shared Humor

Interspersed with deep conversations are moments of shared humor and playful banter. They recount childhood memories, such as Dylan’s infamous attempts at wrestling with friends and her father’s amusing ventures into baking and networking.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [27:31]: "Do you have a pet peeve?"
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [27:37]: "Assholes in this world that don't understand drivers."

These lighthearted exchanges underscore the comfort and ease in their relationship, showcasing a dynamic filled with love, laughter, and mutual admiration.

Final Reflections and Closing Thoughts

As the episode draws to a close, Dylan and her father engage in a lightning round of personal questions, adding a spirited and fun element to their conversation. Their final exchanges encapsulate the essence of their relationship—one built on unwavering support, open communication, and a shared journey of self-discovery.

Notable Quote:
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [62:04]: "Stop drinking and drugging. You're killing yourself."

They conclude with a reaffirmation of their bond and a commitment to continue supporting each other through life's ups and downs.

Notable Quote:
Dylan Mulvaney [73:19]: "But I don't think I talk. Why am I talking about this on every podcast? I want to be buried in a tree."
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [74:27]: "I'm working on it. I've just, you know, I'm... I wouldn't be with this beautiful woman any longer, you know, I wouldn't have what I have."

Conclusion

This episode of Podcrushed offers listeners an intimate glimpse into the lives of Dylan Mulvaney and her father, James Francis Mulvaney Jr. Through their candid discussions, they highlight the transformative power of love, acceptance, and mutual support. The episode not only introduces The Dylan Hour but also sets the stage for future conversations that promise to be as heartfelt and relatable as this inaugural interaction.

Listeners are encouraged to tune into The Dylan Hour for more inspiring stories and meaningful discussions.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

Penn Badgley [00:50]: "The Dylan Hour is a delightful 1960s inspired pink confection of a podcast in this fun, very fun weekly video podcast."
Dylan Mulvaney [05:16]: "I'm James Francis Mulvaney, so he is known. You got to talk in the mic, though, dad."
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [09:29]: "What's been the hardest part of sobriety, would you say?"
Dylan Mulvaney [09:19]: "High five."
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [22:37]: "The positives is. I've never been prouder in my life about anybody and anybody that I've been around. The negatives are having the assholes coming up to me and asking me, you know, has she had a sex change or is she this and that?"
Dylan Mulvaney [22:47]: "It is disgusting. It's only. It's usually just the macho male that does that. No female is."
James Francis Mulvaney Jr. [27:37]: "Assholes in this world that don't understand drivers."
Dylan Mulvaney [73:19]: "But I don't think I talk. Why am I talking about this on every podcast? I want to be buried in a tree."

This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key moments, discussions, and the heartfelt relationship between Dylan Mulvaney and her father. It provides an engaging narrative for those who haven't listened to the episode while maintaining the integrity and depth of the original conversation.

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[00:00]
Dylan Mulvaney
I'm Hasan Minhaj and I have been lying to you. I only pretended to be a comedian so I could trick important people into coming on my podcast. Hassan Minhaj doesn't know to ask them the tough questions that real journalists are way too afraid to ask. People like Senator Elizabeth Warren. Is America too dumb for democracy? Outrageous parenting expert Dr. Becky how do you skip consequences without raising a psychopath?
[00:25]
Hasan Minhaj
It's a good question.
[00:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
Listen to Hasan Minhaj doesn't know from Lemonada Media.
[00:29]
Kate Bowler
Wherever you get your podcasts, suffering is inevitable and it sucks. But we're still expected to thrive. Everything Happens is a podcast for people who are tired of coffee, monk platitudes and want something with a little more teeth and a lot more heart. Each week, Duke Professor Kate Bowler talks with guests like Glennon Doyle, Sharon McMahan, and Coach K about grief, absurdity, and the beautiful, terrible days we actually live through. No hustle culture, no silver linings, just real talk and good company. Listen to Everything Happens wherever you get your podcasts.
[01:07]
Unknown
Lemonade.
[01:12]
Well, hello crushies. Hello there. Are you sitting down? I hope you are, because we are beyond excited to announce that on April 21st, the three of us. Who? Me, myself and I. That's all you need. No, it's. It is me and my co hosts. We will be doing our very first live speaking. We're doing an episode of Podcrust at the renowned 92nd Street Y here in New York City. We'll be joined by one of our favorite podcasters and storytellers of all time. Yes, of all time. Anna Martin from the hit New York Times podcast Modern Love for a night of storytelling about the universal threads that connect our coming of age experiences. You can get your tickets@92ny.org events podcrushed if you use a computer ever or you can just click the link in the description of this episode. Cannot wait to see you there. All right, all right. So back to the episode and today's episode. We are turning over our feed to a show we are currently crushing on, the Dylan Hour, a weekly cocktail party hosted by Dylan Mulvaney from Laminata Media. The Dylan Hour is a delightful 1960s inspired pink confection of a podcast in this fun, very fun weekly video podcast. My goodness, what else? Dylan chats with some of her favorite girls, gays, and they's featuring pop stars, Broadway belters, actors, authors and icons like Glennon Doyle, Margaret Cho, and even her own dad. In fact, we're about to play that very episode for you right now. Tune in to hear Dylan and her dad swap stories, including his encounter with Stevie Nicks.
[02:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Wow.
[02:55]
Unknown
And how he unknowingly inspired Dylan's expensive taste. If you want to hear more, search for the Dylan Hour with Dylan Mulvaney or click on the link in the show notes. Enjoy. And we will be back next week.
[03:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
In your car, in the shower, on a walk through the Dylan Hour. Feeling sweet, feeling sour.
[03:17]
Hasan Minhaj
I feel nothing.
[03:18]
Dylan Mulvaney
The Dylan Hour. My couch is all hoping it's better than therapy. All you soccer moms, all you theys and thems, all you bottom boys, my bisexual femmes, come one and all disassociate with me. It's free. Grab a drink or two or three. You have no friends. All good. You got me. It's the Dillon Hour. Love ya. Welcome back to the Dylan Hour. I'm your host, Dylan Mulvaney, and we are really starting at the very beginning because we're sitting down with someone who quite literally helped bring me into this world. I would like to give him a proper introduction, but I still don't quite know what he does for work. But I am very excited to share. My father, James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
[04:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Good to be here. Thank you for the introduction.
[04:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
You ever been on a podcast before?
[04:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I never have.
[04:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, wow. Well, actually, I was gonna say we're your podcast virginity. And that's on theme with our very special drink for the day, which is if you'll grab your drink. Dad, this is a virgin white Russian.
[04:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's also known as milk.
[04:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yes. So this is milk. And I think this is gonna be very hot take. But I love milk. I like drinking milk. But I only like drinking milk with ice.
[04:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, me too. I wonder what that. You must have gotten that one for me.
[04:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
Apple falls from the tree on that one. Some people are really weird about drinking milk. But is it. Is it because of your cookies that you love milk or is. Did you always know?
[05:00]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I always love milk.
[05:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's also amazing because we have a snack here at the show. Would you grab them for us?
[05:07]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[05:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I'm James Francis Mulvaney, so he is known. You got to talk in the mic, though, dad. Okay, so these are my cookies, my dad's cookies.
[05:16]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I am famous for those in San Diego. They call me the cookie man.
[05:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, they do.
[05:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And I call em either crack cookies or let's see this kitchen sink.
[05:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
How many do you make a week?
[05:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
About 500. And I'm basically addicted to making cookies.
[05:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
And you don't sell them?
[05:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, I give them away to clients and friends and anybody that I see.
[05:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
And the presentation's always the Costco paper plate.
[05:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yep.
[05:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
And, honey, you don't need anything more than that because the cookies are that good. Let's sit them between us. You might. I haven't eaten much today. Could I have a cookie, please? So let's do first taste on this cookie. Yeah. That takes me back to childhood. I really can't remember a time in my life when you didn't make them.
[05:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I pretty much started when you were born.
[06:03]
Dylan Mulvaney
You got to talk into the mic, though.
[06:05]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[06:05]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's gonna be a theme of this episode. Look at that. It's right here. Honey, though.
[06:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Hello.
[06:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
Don't look at the. Don't look at. There.
[06:11]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[06:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
Look at me.
[06:13]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Look at you. Yeah. You're beautiful.
[06:16]
Dylan Mulvaney
Thanks so much.
[06:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I. I got off booze and coke drugs 24 years ago, and basically because you were born, and I wanted to be a better dad.
[06:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
And then you started making cookies because.
[06:32]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Baking cookies because of that. And I just.
[06:36]
Dylan Mulvaney
What else do you think you're addicted to in life?
[06:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Wow. Jennifer, my wife, she's.
[06:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
And my beautiful stepmom is in the room with us.
[06:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yes. I'm addicted to scuba diving and snorkeling and Bora Bora, which I'm leaving next week for. For another month. I love to dance, so that's an addiction.
[06:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
I would say I've gotten some different. I'm addicted to shopping, which I think you are actually allergic to. And story time. Is that my dad? You. What's your favorite store in the world?
[07:06]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Costco.
[07:07]
Dylan Mulvaney
Thought so. And my dad, like, you can pretty much get anything in the Costco shopping cart if you're quick enough, because he's in and out in about four minutes. And Costco is a pretty big store.
[07:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah.
[07:18]
Dylan Mulvaney
But if you can. If you can make it in the basket, he'll buy it for you. But then around Christmas time. Can you explain their Christmas situation?
[07:25]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, with you, it was kind of fun because you'd make a list, everything you wanted, and you'd tell me the store to go to, and I'd walk into, you know, some Lush Cosmetics or.
[07:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
Bloomingdale's or Nordstrom someplace.
[07:39]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And then I would ask for one of the folks that works there, and they'd come up and they'd go, you're Dylan's dad. And I said, yes, here's everything that Dylan wanted. And, you know, I had it color corded coordinated. Pretty fun because.
[07:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
Because if I didn't do that for.
[07:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You, you wouldn't get it.
[07:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
I would have gotten ski goggles. From Costco. And I hadn't been skiing in eight years, but I still got those. He still got the goggles for me.
[08:02]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, come on now. That was because they were $50 and I wanted a pair. And I just got you a pair, just in case.
[08:09]
Dylan Mulvaney
Matching.
[08:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, right. So when you wanted to snow ski, which you did do, and you're still doing, but now you've got the pink ones.
[08:15]
Dylan Mulvaney
But I feel like you've brought me into, you know, certain worlds of, you know, sports and Catholicism and I brought you into department stores and Broadway and musicals and stuff. Was that, was that a thing in your life before?
[08:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, no, never. But once you got involved and you were in the Grinch Stole Christmas at the Old Globe, that was just so, so much fun.
[08:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
Good times, right?
[08:36]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, every night I'd go, those were.
[08:38]
Dylan Mulvaney
The days, us going to the Grinch at the Old Globe. Dad, who loves Christmas, who's love Christmas? So, dad, here at the Dylan Hour, we like to do a bitter and sweet of the week. My sweet is already very sweet because I'm eating a cookie. But what's your bitter and sweet of the week?
[08:55]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Ooh, okay. Well, the bitter. And my Uncle Ray, who was 98 years old, My mother's brother was. Is getting to the end of his life and yep, he's.
[09:09]
Dylan Mulvaney
We love you, Uncle Ray.
[09:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, good man. And. And then the sweet is. I just got 19 years of sobriety.
[09:19]
Dylan Mulvaney
High five.
[09:20]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. I want you to give me my 20 year. And that's a big deal because without that, I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't have you as my beautiful daughter.
[09:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
What's been the hardest part of sobriety, would you say?
[09:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Probably when I'm out to dinner, not having a glass of some cabernet or something of that nature that. And then it seems as though sometimes you're left out because people, they want to party hard. Yeah, they want to party harder. And you don't drink, so you, you're.
[09:49]
Dylan Mulvaney
Just as fun, if not funner.
[09:51]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah.
[09:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
Except for crazy.
[09:53]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I go to bed at 9:00 now.
[09:55]
Dylan Mulvaney
You do be going to bed at night.
[09:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We're going out tonight. And I'm thinking, oh boy. But we'll get it figured out. And. But just life is so much easier now. And it's just really been a.
[10:07]
Dylan Mulvaney
Because we still have cookies and milk.
[10:08]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We still have cookies and milk. And I've got you and I'm so proud of you. And the. What you've been able to do, which is just incredible. You're such a great Example of somebody that loves people and loves doing what they're doing.
[10:23]
Dylan Mulvaney
Thanks, dad. Well, I think my. Let's see what my suite of the week is that I'm about to take you tonight to our first big Hollywood premiere, and we're going to see. Yeah, honey, we're going. Well, we'll see about that, honey.
[10:39]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, come on.
[10:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
We're going to the premiere of Will and Harper on Netflix, which is Will Ferrell. And I know you're. You're a fan of his, right?
[10:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Big. Big.
[10:47]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, good. And I. I just. You always say you'd like to go to an event like this, so I'm down. We're gonna do it. But my bitter is that I'm already preemptively a little nervous about what you're gonna say to people.
[11:01]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I don't blame you.
[11:02]
Dylan Mulvaney
So let's practice this.
[11:03]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay. Yes.
[11:04]
Dylan Mulvaney
When somebody says. So, Jim, what'd you think of the movie?
[11:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It was beautiful. It was something that moved me.
[11:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, good. Excellent. Oh, what's it like being Dylan's dad?
[11:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I'm the most special dad in the world.
[11:24]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, you are.
[11:26]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I can't tell you how many times. Every day. I was at a meeting this morning on my way up in Escondido, and I was talking to these two gals that have a business, and I asked the one. Because I always ask everybody if they know you, and this gal didn't know you, and that was amazing. Well, then the other nurse came in. She found out I said I was Dylan's dad. She went nuts. She just couldn't believe the fact that I was Dylan. I get people asking to take pictures with me all the time. Wow. Because I'm Dylan's dad.
[11:59]
Dylan Mulvaney
Shit, I wish I was Dylan's dad. That sounds like an easier gig. But what do you. What do you do?
[12:05]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, I've been in insurance for 40 years, and what I do is a little different than most insurance people. I. I'm more of just a rain maker. I go out and get the business.
[12:16]
Dylan Mulvaney
Rain on us, baby.
[12:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I do. I do do it. And I shake a lot of hands.
[12:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
And you know what I say about you?
[12:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's a lot of ass.
[12:24]
Dylan Mulvaney
I say, you do a lot of golf, you play a lot of golf, and you go to a lot of lunches.
[12:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
A lot of Mr. A's. Yes.
[12:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
I think they're getting some ASMR right now with this cookie situation and me eating it so vibrantly. You might be. You're definitely the first insurance person on the show. Might be the Only one. Depending on where we take this, maybe. I don't know, it could become an insurance podcast.
[12:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Massachusetts Mutual.
[12:47]
Dylan Mulvaney
Do you recommend insurance to those of us watching or listening?
[12:51]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Not really. I. I let people know that that's what I do. And if they have interest, they ask me because nothing worse than a.
[12:57]
Dylan Mulvaney
You don't want to be chasing them down.
[12:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Pesky industry. The worst. I've seen too many of them. And.
[13:03]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I think a big thing that I learned from you is actually networking. And I think that you know how to talk to basically anyone. Where did that part of you come from?
[13:13]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, I. Kind of a chameleon. I get that from James Francis Mulvaney Sr. Who passed away about 10 years ago. Your grandfather, he was one of the great networkers. I used to watch him at the baseball park. He was president of the San Diego Padres in the Pacific Coast League. And he'd walk up and down the aisles and he'd shake hands with everybody there.
[13:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
Anyone at the baseball game?
[13:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Everybody. And I just want to sit there and go, I want to be just like my dad. And. And that's kind of where I've never met a stranger. I. I look, you know him already. I introduce myself in elevators so people think I'm kind of weird. But you know that now you hand.
[13:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
Out cookies along with that part of the deal.
[13:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's my cookies.
[13:57]
Dylan Mulvaney
And I sometimes feel weird when we're, like, on a beach and he walks up to, like, a hot mom with a kid and just offers the kid a cookie, and she's like, what the fuck are you trying to offer my kid right now? Is it. You know? Because they kind of do.
[14:08]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Stranger danger, stranger.
[14:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
They give pot vibes.
[14:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, God. I've. I've had to tell people I went to Betty Ford, so.
[14:15]
Dylan Mulvaney
But I will say if people still indulge, they can do that and then eat them, and they'll still really enjoy them.
[14:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah. The world's greatest chocolate chip cookie. And.
[14:24]
Dylan Mulvaney
But you spend a lot on macadamia nuts every year?
[14:27]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I spend over. I write off over $10,000 a year in cookie material.
[14:31]
Dylan Mulvaney
And a lot of those are macadamia nuts. Those prices are just being gouged. For those of us at the Dylan Hour who aren't aware, justice for macadamia nut prices.
[14:39]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, it's great.
[14:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
And what you do something very special with the cookies, which is you put your own kind of ingredient into it that you make.
[14:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I go to Bora Bora, I was saying, twice a year, and I bring home my own vanilla Beans. Then I stuff them in spiced rum, which is Captain Morgan's. And it's funny because every time I leave Costco with one of those, I usually run into somebody in my program, and they're like, jim, what's the Captain Morgan's going home with you for? But then I have to explain. Well, I make my own vanilla. And it's. That's one of the.
[15:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's one of the secrets of the cookbook.
[15:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Secret ingredients and people.
[15:17]
Dylan Mulvaney
You've written that. You kind of just eyeball it every time, right?
[15:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, we talked about giving out my recipe, but I'd be glad to. But it's all right up in here. So anybody would like. They'd have to come over to the house and watch me make them sometime.
[15:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, that's a. That's a big invite, because who knows when and how many are going to show up?
[15:36]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You know who wanted to see it was your friend that the Wilson.
[15:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, Carney Wilson from the Wilson and Phillips band. She wants it?
[15:43]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yep. She wants to.
[15:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, Carney Wilson, you and. And the Internet have been invited to my house. Well, not my house, my dad's house.
[15:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Because Alpine, California.
[15:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
You live far away.
[15:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I know it's where you were born. You got to come back.
[15:57]
Dylan Mulvaney
Let's go. Let's go back to the origin.
[15:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[15:59]
Dylan Mulvaney
We're from San Diego, California.
[16:01]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Correct.
[16:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
How would you explain San Diego?
[16:04]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, it's a beach town. I grew up in Pacific Beach, La Jolla, and then I just got around San Diego because of, you know, I was a messenger for a company when I was very young. But how would I explain San Diego? Kick back, kick back. The waves are good. You know, the football and baseball team don't attract anybody.
[16:25]
Dylan Mulvaney
I think it's the conservative la. Like, it's like a. The farther away from the beach you get, the more that they don't like gay people. But that you're a testament to the fact that that's not true because you moved really far from the beach. You do like gay people now. If you just stop calling me every time you meet a gay person and say, hey, do you know this person? I say, no, dad, no, that's not. And now we shifted now from that. Now it's. If you do meet a trans person, it's, hey, you know this trans person.
[16:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm sorry.
[16:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
But, you know, I love it.
[16:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I just think it's something that I'm proud of. And I. And it's never going to go away. And I'm just blessed that I have you in My life. You're such a good, good influence on so many people. And you're full of joy. What bothers me sometime is when the person asks me, she's not real, is she? This is fake, isn't it?
[17:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
You're like, yeah, she's a bitch. She gave me the middle finger when she was 6, and I've been mad at her ever since.
[17:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
When you were five, we'd go to the pool, and I'd throw you up, and you'd.
[17:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, well, speaking of, on a little blast from the past, I have some pictures of us.
[17:26]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Then you take bows to the crowd, and everybody was like, she's gonna be so famous.
[17:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
Here's at Disneyland.
[17:34]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I think you got stung by a bee.
[17:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
I got stung by a bee that day. Well, that was probably the before bee sting. Here's you. That looks like a pool throw, but that was pre pool. And then I think there's some sort of saint. Oh, that was.
[17:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I think it's up. Maybe in. Up in. Is that you in there?
[17:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's me.
[17:53]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Wow. I think it might have been up in Eureka. Not Eureka, but Redding, California, with your mother's father's mom and dad's place, but I've seen that one.
[18:04]
Dylan Mulvaney
But. So I grew up in a very tiny town of San Diego called Alpine.
[18:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Outside.
[18:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
I mean, it's very small, right?
[18:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's getting a little bigger, but not much.
[18:14]
Dylan Mulvaney
And, you know, you would sing in the choir. We'd go to church at Queen of Angels.
[18:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Comfort me, O God, beyond my wants, beyond my fears.
[18:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
That was great. And you just. So I do think maybe I got the singing from you a little bit. And as far as, like. You grew up very Catholic.
[18:37]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, but, you know, I'd rather surf than go to church. So we ditched a lot. And, you know, I.
[18:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Big family.
[18:42]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Big family. There's seven of us. I'm number five, and I don't try at all. That's my line. But I got Jim Jr. Which was a real, real pleasure.
[18:50]
Dylan Mulvaney
They saved that one for you.
[18:51]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
He said, no, no. Melinda was first, then Tom and Bob, the twins. Larry, my father's brother, had a son named that. He named Jim after my father. So my father was obligated to name his next son Larry. And then along came Jimmy, and then David and Brian.
[19:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
You got a song for everything. My favorite thing. My best friend Lily, who will be on the pod, is. Is she walks into a room, and you go, do it, Lily. Do it.
[19:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Do the zampooji.
[19:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
And I've refused to believe that this is A real song that exists.
[19:25]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's an old, old song.
[19:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
You can give this man, like, anything, and he will find a song for it.
[19:30]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You tell Lily I'm not happy with her. She's not returning my phone calls.
[19:33]
Dylan Mulvaney
Same girl? Same you do. But it is. What I've loved too is you've now developed friendships with my friends. You know, they're like your kids.
[19:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh yeah, they love my. We just were in Scotland and it was so fun to be with them.
[19:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I gotta tell you that you came to visit and sometimes I think because growing up, you know, queer and trans especially, you know, coming out to you all, I felt really guilty about making you, you know, call me your daughter or call me a woman or she. And I think that there was part of me that wanted to pull away a little bit from the family because just I felt like I would start to shut down. And sometimes I get. I think I get anxiety sometimes having family around just. Cause I feel like I have to, you know, I want to make sure you're taken care of. And I got, you know, I was at work. But you came to visit. It was so funny. Cause like the first day, you know, came and I'm like doing this one woman show, getting her, and I'm a little anxious but excited to see you. And then by the. I remember the last day we went to Glasgow, I had a fitting for a TV show. And then we went to this musical together. And by the end I was like, oh my God, this is my best friend. And so I did want to tell you that you've been called me your best friend for a long time, but you officially are. You're on best friend level here. And I do think it's really cool when you as a kid then finally see a parent as like, as a friend and as a human. Because I think for a long time, you know, like, the dynamics are tricky because, you know, you're the. Well, you never really reprimanded me that much, but I think that I had trouble seeing you as an equal human being and because you were always this father figure. And now I'm like, oh, this is the coolest person in the world.
[21:22]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, you're much brighter than me. I've got a as good, if not a better personality sometimes. But yeah.
[21:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yep. Drag me, bitch. Drag me, Jimmy.
[21:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, you're the best. But I. What I don't understand is with a lot of these haters out there, speak on it when they. When they want to tell you something and you're just kind of you're just like, are you paying. Are you paying their bills or are you. Why. Why did. Why do they have to give a shit about, you know, what you're.
[21:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, you are on. You only have Instagram to follow me, correct?
[21:55]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah.
[21:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, so you've got, like, one follower.
[21:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's it.
[21:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's it.
[21:58]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Now, if I ever went on it, I'd have thousands, but I'm not.
[22:02]
Dylan Mulvaney
This would be your opportunity, but I don't know if we want to really open.
[22:05]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, we don't got a chance.
[22:07]
Dylan Mulvaney
And what is. What's it been like for you to watch me kind of get blown up in this? You know, like, the positives of it and the negatives.
[22:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
The positives is. I've never been prouder in my life about anybody and anybody that I've been around. The negatives are having the assholes coming up to me and asking me, you know, has she had a sex change or is she this and that? And I. What my comment is. Well, it's none of my business, so it's obviously none of your business.
[22:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
And how crazy to think that people feel comfortable enough to walk up to someone's parent and be like, so, what's going on down there? You know, that's, like, actually really disgusting.
[22:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It is disgusting. It's only. It's usually just the macho male that does that. No female is. I think. I can't remember a female doing it. But, you know, I'm just saying, who'da thunk?
[23:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
A woman, you know, not wanting to objectify another woman. Yeah, but have you found that your friends and community and family have kind of been supportive of me?
[23:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Very much so. And if they're not, then they're gonna have the wrath of Jimmy here. And that's not a pretty thing, but. Yeah. No, my Rotarians, the women in my Rotary, want to know what you're doing all the time. They want to know what they can do to support what is Rotary. Rotary's a group that started back in the early 1900s in Chicago. Mine is in downtown San Diego.
[23:38]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's giving, Rich.
[23:39]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, it's not. It's giving back to the community.
[23:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay.
[23:42]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Good work and helping others that aren't as blessed as we are. And you do breakfasts every Wednesday. We. I just had the chief of police, who's my good friend in San Diego, Scott Wall, speak to us this week, and I got to introduce him. So I introduced him. I started off by saying, hi, I'm Jim. I'm a Gemini. Got a little laugh, but more so I said, this is Scott or my probation officer. And I got a good laugh too.
[24:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
Was he actually.
[24:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, he's the chief of police.
[24:11]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, let's, let's go back to. Because here's the real deal. You used to be a bad boy.
[24:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I did my 20s at 30. Oh, bad, bad boy.
[24:18]
Dylan Mulvaney
Is that still in you or like.
[24:20]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Definitely I'm, you know, I'm blessed now that I'm clean and sober.
[24:25]
Dylan Mulvaney
You didn't go to college, but greatest.
[24:27]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Woman in my, my life there.
[24:29]
Dylan Mulvaney
You but so you were, I feel like at the time where you, you didn't go to college, but you still killed it in the game.
[24:36]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Done real well in the business world and insurance, but kind of the last.
[24:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
Of the era for like you could.
[24:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Probably get the way, you know, most people have to go business at least a lot of interviews. And I never had to do an interview and caught that personality babes work for them. And yeah, no, I've always been a hard worker just like you are. But, but more importantly, I've done, you know, I feel as though I've done things properly. I always think about my client. Instead of thinking about what's best for me, I think about what's best for you. And that still scares me a lot. It's one of those worries in my life that, you know, some haters going to do something that I'm going to have to do something about and so that scares me.
[25:21]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, we've made it this far. You also used to be kind of a ladies man back in the day. And yeah, I'm trying to make this a good podcast, bitch. So.
[25:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Sex sells baby.
[25:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
Sex sells baby. Do you have like. It's sort of interesting now I'm dating straight men. Yeah. Like, what did you. What were your qualities of a woman that you really enjoyed back in the day?
[25:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Wow. Ah, it's tough because when I was drinking and drugging, I didn't give a shit. I just wanted to get in their pants. And I think with you, one of the things I learned later on was I would walk up to a pretty woman and I'd hand him a business card and I'd say, would you like to have lunch with me sometime? I'd love the opportunity to meet you. And out of the five business cards, I'd get one or two calling me back.
[26:15]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, lunch is a nice touch because it doesn't seem assuming it's like, oh, this man just wants to go out at a reasonable hour of daytime. I see right through you.
[26:24]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And then when they now. But Now I'm like, I've told you, I'm. I'm in love, and I'm very, very blessed. I'm done. And. But I. In the past, it's been, you know, I. I was. It was a. I, you know, I just was not the good person that I am today because I learned that.
[26:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
You'Re still friends with a lot of your exes, which is your.
[26:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Your mother's one of my favorite people and my first wife Tracy's.
[26:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
What's the secret to that?
[26:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Just being kind and thoughtful and understanding. Listening. And as you know, I used to always just want to hear myself talk, and now I'm getting better with the.
[27:09]
Dylan Mulvaney
Now you can. You can listen math to this episode. And there you are.
[27:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, boy.
[27:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
How about, like, oh, as far as, like, qualities, like, say that I'm trying to, you know, I'm seeing a guy and he's kind of like, maybe like you were back in the day, kind of a player. What's some things that a woman can do to really, like, grab your attention?
[27:32]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I think it's probably personality. It's, you know, not being a doormat, not being somebody that they can, you know.
[27:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
Have you ever heard gay son or thought daughter?
[27:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No.
[27:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, so, dad, gay son or thought daughter is now sort of the question on everyone's lips here in the industry. Because when you get on a red carpet. This is actually a really good question for tonight. Would you rather have a gay son or do you know what a thought daughter is? No, what does thought mean? It's. Megan, can you Google the definition of thought? So, dad, dad, gay son or thought daughter? Gay son. You know what that is? Thought daughter is a daughter who likes to be promiscuous and get around town.
[28:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We had rather the gay son.
[28:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
Wow. And now you've had both, so that's pretty cool. I will say. You're welcome. And you only have one kid.
[28:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. No, and I've got. I've got.
[28:29]
Dylan Mulvaney
And you kind of got the greatest.
[28:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Boy and now the greatest girl.
[28:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, that's pretty crazy too, as you can say. Okay, let's go. Let's go back to the gay. Now.
[28:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I got a question for you. Am I gonna have to pay for the wedding if it ever comes up, you do.
[28:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, and I'm nervous about that because my taste has gone up exponentially. Well, let's talk about when you created a monster, because we were in San Francisco on a trip and we were going shopping at the mall. This is when I was just wearing like, hand me downs gap, like you could throw me an Old Navy or Costco. I didn't give a shit what happened, though. I was probably about 8 or 9, and we're walking by Abercrombie Kids in the mall up in San Francisco. And you're like. I was like, oh, I heard about this for my friends. And you're like, let's go in. We look, and there was, like, a sweatshirt that was like, $120. And I go, oh, my God, we can't get this. It's too much. And you said, you know what? Let's get it, Dil. You can do it. And in that moment, a fucking fashion demon was born.
[29:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, no.
[29:29]
Dylan Mulvaney
Because I then became addicted to Abercrombie. And then it just kept spiraling. But I. I do think we had so much fun when I was young.
[29:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Kind of like blueberry Burberry.
[29:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, honey. The amount like my. I'll never forget my dad, like, scarf got me a scarf. He couldn't believe that he spent 500 on a scarf. This was, like, maybe two years ago. And he's like, I got her the damn blueberry scarf. I'm like, what the fuck is blueberry? And he's like, brewberry. And I'm like, burberry. Yeah, whatever it was, you're the new, like, face. I can't book a campaign with them and they instantly make you the. The face of blueberry.
[30:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I hope so.
[30:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
You are the face. That's so good.
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[35:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's the dealing hour. Growing up like, you obviously, I feel like, had a very specific. Like when you were told you were having a son, which you didn't. Did you know you wanted kids?
[35:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, it was a. It was. Your mother surprised me on my 40th birthday saying she was pregnant. I'm like, you gotta be kidding. So, greatest day of my life was the day you were born, though. But I, I. Yes, I. I went and cleaned the baseball fields thinking that you were going to be a baseball star.
[36:05]
Dylan Mulvaney
How did that go?
[36:06]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, for me, it was fine. I was, you know, doing something on a Saturday that. With these men. And yeah, it was good.
[36:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
But then, and then. But I didn't know you didn't want.
[36:15]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
To be a baseball player. You wanted to sing and dance on the coffee table. Well, wherever you want. You know, you, you wore mommy's high heels around and played with dolls. And then you got the Easy Bake Oven when You were a kid, I would take you to different functions where you'd try out for plays, and every time the director would come up to me and say that you were the best person, the best actor, the best kid.
[36:43]
Dylan Mulvaney
Honey, I wish they. They'd start doing that today. Maybe I got to start bringing you to the auditions.
[36:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, no, come on. They're gonna. You're doing whatever you want, but.
[36:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
So you obviously thought that, you know, life was going to be one way. What do you, like, do you have any advice for someone who is, you know, maybe struggling that, like, has what they thought their kid was going to be like and then turns out some kind of other way? What would you say to them? Yeah, what.
[37:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I do get a lot of that, especially in one of the programs I'm in. And my advice is just love, respect, listen, things I try to do with you, and I know sometimes I don't, and you accept me for some of the shortcomings that I have. But. Yeah, I just tell people it's love. You just have to deal with some of your thoughts that are not the thoughts that you should have and be proud and. Yeah, and I'm. You've never. I've. There's nobody prouder than your father is of you, so. And I always will be.
[37:54]
Dylan Mulvaney
Thank you. I think that, you know, what you've done such a great job of is, like, turn. You know, you've had opinions about certain things and been able to, you know, shift those based on how life, you know, goes. And I think we've always tried to hold a good respect for each other when we do differ on opinions.
[38:15]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm conservative and you're liberal, but, yeah.
[38:18]
Dylan Mulvaney
We'Re working on that. On you, too.
[38:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm more down the middle of the street now because I know what the right wants to do.
[38:24]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, what was it like to see the people that your television programs then talk about your kid? What was that like?
[38:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, Fox. And, yeah, it was brutal. And I wanted to call those guys up and tell them that they don't know my daughter and, you know, get off of it, because you're. You're barking up the wrong tree. And.
[38:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I think it's really sad, like, when, you know, like, what that made me realize, too. Cause I kind of was watching almost through your eyes was how clearly people can paint someone almost to be like a character on a. Like, when I watched myself during that time when, you know, was being attacked by people that you maybe used to respect, it felt like they were talking about a character because it didn't sound like me.
[39:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, it didn't. And it wasn't you. And they just didn't know you. And I think that's so true about all of the CNNs and the foxes. I just can't watch any of it anymore. That's why I'm going to Bora Bora for the month of October, so I don't have to listen to the Bora Bora. Oh, I do. And so do you.
[39:33]
Dylan Mulvaney
I do love me some Bora. I'll take Mora Bora.
[39:37]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
They have the, the Ray Rays there that.
[39:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, there's a large trans community.
[39:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's beautiful.
[39:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's kind of iconic.
[39:43]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It is.
[39:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
I got there, it was like nothing. I was like, wow, they've really got. They've got something figured out over here.
[39:49]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Way ahead of us.
[39:50]
Dylan Mulvaney
And the dance. I would take the dance class.
[39:51]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That was classic. I've got the video of you dancing with those, with all of them. And they, they just loved you.
[39:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
Having a gay son, what was that like? Me growing up was. I. I was a pretty good kid. And then I got kind of, like, angsty over the years. Right.
[40:07]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. I don't. I remember you and Lily going at it up there in the room. And maybe you had a bunch of other people up there, but can you.
[40:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
Like not going at going at it? Sounds very presumptive.
[40:16]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, no. Okay. You were. It was like the two of you were fighting and you would be.
[40:19]
Dylan Mulvaney
So me and my best friend like to wrestle. Okay.
[40:22]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And it was like cats and dogs and people would be there most of the time. A girl with me would be going, what's going on up there? And I'm like, you know, it's.
[40:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
Can I, Can I. Can we have some confessions here? I turned your house into a fucking brothel. I. Well, I mean, sometimes, you know, if you're out of town, you went out of town a lot.
[40:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Quite a bit. Yes.
[40:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Did you remember the time. Do you remember when you, you, you. For my birthday present for my 18th birthday was you let me have the house for the night and then you left.
[40:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah.
[40:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
But then you came back too early in because the party was still kind of going and you couldn't get into your bedroom.
[40:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, that.
[41:00]
Dylan Mulvaney
And, and my friend was sleeping with a guy in your bed.
[41:04]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Didn't go big.
[41:05]
Dylan Mulvaney
I see. This red carpet is very warranted tonight. You deserve the world, sir. Yeah. And it was just, it was fun, though, because I feel like, in a way, I think, because I wasn't super confi, like, I, I, I kind of moved through the world as I wanted to. I think I didn't feel like ever like I wanted to lash out at you in like, really negative ways. Because I was being like. It was almost good to have that kind of environment where I, you know, could be who I wanted to be most of the time.
[41:42]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And I was who I wanted to be. And that's. We had a good time. I love traveling with you too. So that's. That's what so fun it was.
[41:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
And you got me into scuba diving, which.
[41:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, gosh, that was fun.
[41:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
We like. But what's the next on the bucket list for a place? This is also. You're kind of a man of habit. Are you like to, you know, you like one or two things?
[42:02]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I just went to Scotland.
[42:03]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, honey, you went to Scotland? Yes. That was great. But usually you wouldn't. You wouldn't have gone if I hadn't been there doing.
[42:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Probably not, but I'll do anything with you.
[42:11]
Dylan Mulvaney
Where would you like to go if somebody was just like.
[42:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Maybe Greece would be probably a good one. Greece, the Mediterranean. We did that when you were 14 or 13. I took Dylan to the Rolling Stones concert in Rome. And we sat in the second row and we got to have dinner where Charlie Watts, the drummer, walked past me. And you didn't have a clue who any of these guys were. Still don't you do like the Stones, though?
[42:43]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, sure.
[42:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
But they're the greatest rock and roll band in the world and. But just things that we were able to do.
[42:49]
Dylan Mulvaney
Get it out there.
[42:49]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, I'll get it out there. Yeah, we've seen them a whole bunch. But just. Just playing, you know, being with you different and Bora Bora is a fun one. But I do understand what you're saying. That I don't travel to different places enough.
[43:02]
Dylan Mulvaney
No, but it's Ireland. A creature of habit is not necessarily a bad thing. And if it helps keep you sober and you've got your, you know, you get in your rhythms. What? El. Your walk us through your day. What is it? It starts early.
[43:15]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, 4:30. I get to the gym at 5 every day.
[43:18]
Dylan Mulvaney
Damn, man.
[43:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You know, then I. I hit a meeting at seven for a program I'm in. And then I go to a 10 o'clock business lunch or a bit. Usually an appointment. And I've got a 12 o'clock lunch at some place. Most of the time Mr. A's in San Diego, a nice spot. And then I try to be home by two or so.
[43:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Do you love the beach?
[43:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Do love the beach. During the Summer, I'm always down at a place called horseshoe or 22nd street in front of Trevor's house.
[43:47]
Dylan Mulvaney
Now. Now you, now everybody knows where Jimmy Mulmain hangs out.
[43:51]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's okay. I don't care. Let them come at me if they want to. And if anybody does come at me.
[43:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
That'S where it's diverting them from my home to yours.
[43:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, well, that's all right. But I'll know. What I'm going to tell them, basically, is if they want to know what Dylan Mulvaney thinks and wants and acts, and I'll say, talk to Dylan. Oh, good. You know, I can't. I can't.
[44:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
I'll talk to them.
[44:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I know you will. I know you will.
[44:15]
Dylan Mulvaney
And what has been your favorite year of your life so far?
[44:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Wow, that's a crazy, crazy question. I think this year, because, you know, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm healthy, I'm happy, I'm married to the most beautiful woman in the world. That's keeping me in a much better place than I used to be. I'm getting to be more thoughtful and more understanding. I'm getting more patience because of you and your help. You've given me all over these years of, of slowing down because I'm adhd, I'm dyslexic. I got a lot of guys today. I just was looking at a green light down there on a meter and. And Jen's like, you got to be kidding me. That's as red as just blood. And I'm like, oh, it looks green to me.
[45:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
I'm color. I'm colorblind too.
[45:02]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah.
[45:03]
Dylan Mulvaney
Wow. I got a lot of things from you. Damn.
[45:07]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, that. You got your mommy too. She's a crazy one, but yeah.
[45:11]
Dylan Mulvaney
Two Geminis. Double Gemini parents. That's wild.
[45:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
God, I can see a Gemini. I forgot that.
[45:16]
Dylan Mulvaney
But you and then used to party with fun people back in the day. You know what story I love?
[45:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Tom Cruise.
[45:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
No, Stevie.
[45:25]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
The Fleetwood Mac.
[45:28]
Dylan Mulvaney
You do. You know that one, the one at.
[45:30]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Fleetwood where I. I ran into Nick Fleetwood at the. At Costco.
[45:34]
Dylan Mulvaney
No, Stevie Nicks.
[45:35]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, Stevie Nicks. Where I was puffing a joint and we were going down the freeway and Stevie Nicks is in a limo and she pulls. She rolls down her window.
[45:43]
Dylan Mulvaney
You're. You're smoking a doobie in a. On like a convertible or something in.
[45:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
An old beat up VW. Right on i5. And you were headed to. I had to the Fleetwood Mac concert, but I had no idea who they Were. And they said, pull over. So we pulled over in this parking lot, we puffed this joint with these two pretty women. And then they. I said, we're going to the Fleetwood Mac concert. And they said, oh, so we just follow us. So we follow them down. We go into the backstage. They let us in because the girls in the limo said, let them in. And then we go in and we're standing there, and all of a sudden, Stevie nicks and Steph McVie walk up on the stage and start singing. You know.
[46:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
You got the Fleetwood Mac stone before the show?
[46:30]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah, I got the girl stone.
[46:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's epic.
[46:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. Got a lot of great stories like that, but that's just because, you know, hanging out.
[46:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
Any others that you love?
[46:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, the Tom Cruise story was good. I met Tom at George's when he was doing the restaurant bar in La Jolla when he was doing the. Oh, the first Top Gun.
[46:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, Top Gun, yeah.
[46:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And I said. Walked over. I said, tom, I loved you in Risky Business when you slid across the floor. And he said, yeah, that was fun. And I was there with my harem and a bunch of peeps, and I. He says to me, what are you doing tonight? And I said, I'm gonna go to Diego's down in pb. And he goes, hey, do you mind if I hang out with you?
[47:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
So, like, do you mind?
[47:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, exactly.
[47:14]
Dylan Mulvaney
Like, not at all, Tom.
[47:15]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah. No, but he was fun and he just was a nice man. And he had to go back to his hotel probably around 11, and I was probably out till 6 in the morning. So, you know. Yeah.
[47:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
Do you remember the day that I came? You were leaving for work and I was walking in and we kind of high fived on the way down the stairs.
[47:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Didn't bother me.
[47:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
You did have an idea for Transparent.
[47:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Transparent, yes.
[47:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
What is that?
[47:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, it would be a situation where people could. I would interview, like you're doing to me right now.
[47:47]
Dylan Mulvaney
Who would you interview?
[47:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Parents that have trans children.
[47:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
If that's not the most beautiful thing you've heard today?
[47:53]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, I just think it would be great because that way we can talk about what we deal with and how things are going.
[48:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, well, it's practice. What would you ask me right now? Just as an interviewer, what would you ask me?
[48:06]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I would say, what's the toughest part of having a trans daughter?
[48:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, having a trans daughter, for me, that was good, dad. Okay, we've got a show. Scoot over, Dylan. We got Jim coming in.
[48:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, James Francis. I'm gonna leave it up to you because I'm just happy being your pop.
[48:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
But, and as far as, like, did you kind of like, you saw that I was a very feminine kid? Yeah. And so was it like a super surprise to you when I came out?
[48:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, not at all. I tell people I pretty much knew you were gay at 5 or 6. And then you saying to your mother and I, you know, mom, dad, and I think you said it to her, and she mentioned it to me that I think God made a mistake and put a girl in a boy's body. And, you know, that was. You just have to embrace it. You have to understand, you know, there's these things called chromosomes and, you know, these in the world don't quite understand that. And, and like you said to me, Dill the other day a while back is, dad, what I'm doing right now is just like the gays 20 years ago, 30 years ago. And in 20, 30 years, it's going to be just the same.
[49:23]
Dylan Mulvaney
Hopefully if, you know, we don't get our rights taken away, they won't be taken away.
[49:27]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'll kill somebody before that.
[49:29]
Dylan Mulvaney
So you ever watched the Handmaid's Tale?
[49:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
What?
[49:31]
Dylan Mulvaney
Did you watch the show the Handmaid's Tale?
[49:33]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No.
[49:33]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, that's a good one.
[49:34]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I don't want to. If it has tv. Yeah, I do. I do watch a lot. It's Netflix. Netflix. And they had the second. The second season of Sylvester Stallone's Tulsa King came. Came on last night.
[49:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, I don't know that one. We have different tastes, but it was. I. I will say that after. During COVID I moved back to your house for. I mean, I was there for a year.
[49:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And the best year ever.
[50:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
Best year. Oh, that's another.
[50:03]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
By the way, I've taught you a lot of these little. These, you know, this. Love ya.
[50:09]
Dylan Mulvaney
No.
[50:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yes, that's me. Yes.
[50:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
Not a straight white man trying to claim a trans woman's tagline.
[50:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's me all the way. Ask anybody. Oh, and then recently I've been asking you, where you at on the happy scale?
[50:25]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, I go to. Now I go. But you know who I go up to? Like Academy Awards winners. And I go, where you at on the happy scale?
[50:32]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Good. That's good stuff.
[50:34]
Dylan Mulvaney
A lot of unhappy people.
[50:35]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, isn't that suck? You know, I'm usually an 8. And now lately you've been a 9. I was a little jealous.
[50:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
I will. I'm. I'm getting up there, babe. And back to covet times with Jen also, which. Well, Jen was. Thank God. Because. And then. But the funny God. So we moved back to this house. There is a tall top floor of this home that was. The entire thing was just one room.
[50:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Like a bowling alley.
[50:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
It was a bowling alley. And that was my bedroom because it didn't have a bathroom in it.
[51:03]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
And so I go three times a night. So.
[51:05]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah. You tell them. And. But I had your old California king bed or something. It looked like a pillow in this like blank room. And I would sit up there and I would just eat popsicles all day long and watch like Twilight and Gilmore Girls. And then I'd come down for dinner. I would. I would sleep till like two. And then I'd walk down and there.
[51:25]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Knows before it's dark. He'd have every picnic basket. That's in Yellowstone Park. That's Yogi Bear. Okay. Go ahead.
[51:33]
Dylan Mulvaney
Where did we get. Where did we get Yogi Bear?
[51:35]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
2:00. When you wake it at 2.
[51:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
And there's the connection. But that was such a funny time because I never thought I was gonna ever live with you again like that. And. But we watched. We rewatched Game of Thrones.
[51:49]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That was my first. That was yours. And every night we didn't want to go. Should we watch another one? Should we? It's 10:30 and I got to get up at 4. Let's watch another one.
[51:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh my God. And we love Mrs. Maisel.
[52:00]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, she's the.
[52:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
And now Rachel's a friend of mine. And we just. Oh, we. That was a good. That was a connecting time. We get so excited about takeout. And I would go on long runs. That never happens anymore.
[52:11]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No. You did a walk where you walked out of the swords.
[52:14]
Dylan Mulvaney
Didn't that take like 14 miles or something?
[52:16]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I thought you were gonna die.
[52:17]
Dylan Mulvaney
I had nothing to live for. But I started transitioning. That's what you didn't really know was that upstairs what was happening was a trans woman was cooking. You know, the hair was growing. You know, I started estrogen shortly after. And it was just. It was a good thing.
[52:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You also got your insurance license during that time.
[52:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
And that's. And now we're back on the insurance pod. Mulvaney and Mulvaney.
[52:45]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. That'd be hot.
[52:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
Was once Mulvaney and Son.
[52:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Who's gonna do the.in the eyes and crossing the T's?
[52:50]
Dylan Mulvaney
Neither of us. But yeah. I got. Because isn't it? If you ever pass away then I take your business.
[53:00]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Start my commission dark as.
[53:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's so America. That is so like.
[53:04]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well now Jen's Gonna do the same.
[53:06]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, so now we're. Me and Jen are splitting. It is what everybody in the pod knows. Me and Jen are splitting the wheel 50.
[53:12]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's it.
[53:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, good. That's good. How about. Do you.
[53:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
When are you gonna buy me the house in Del Mar?
[53:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
When am I gonna buy the house in Del Mar?
[53:22]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's right.
[53:23]
Dylan Mulvaney
But what about as far as, like, we. We've always talked about, like, if one of us is on life supporter ever, we're gonna pull the cords.
[53:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Done. We talked. I talked about that all the time. But what we're gonna do is give each other, like, a hundred.
[53:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
A lot of drugs.
[53:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yes.
[53:38]
Dylan Mulvaney
What kind do you want?
[53:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Xanax. Who worked Maybe five.
[53:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
I'd like oxy.
[53:43]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, wow. At the end, that's a. That's a little more.
[53:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
Hopefully we never have to do that for each other.
[53:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We won't.
[53:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
But I don't think I talk. Why am I talking about this on every podcast? I want to be buried in a tree.
[53:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Really?
[53:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
Where do you want your ashes?
[53:55]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Bora Bora.
[53:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay.
[53:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Horseshoe, maybe a little Del Mar. What other spots?
[54:04]
Dylan Mulvaney
Are you scared of death?
[54:05]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, no. It's something that.
[54:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
Maybe that's the Mulvaney thing.
[54:09]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We never. None of us are going to get out of here alive, that's for sure.
[54:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
But we had a good time while we were here.
[54:16]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We've showed them how to do it.
[54:25]
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[58:33]
Dylan Mulvaney
It'S the dealing hour. If you were to give anyone, like a young person, a piece of advice, what would you tell them?
[58:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That, like, slow down, you're crazy. Don't worry. Be happy.
[58:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, that's a song by Hooting the Blowfish.
[58:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm gonna get ready to do it, but I won't. I just. The things that took me a long time, that I'm finally getting there now at, you know, later in life and where am I? I guess I'm on the seventh floor. Tenth floor. Tenth floor building. I. You know, I don't know of what, as far as life's concerned.
[59:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh. Oh, that's.
[59:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You're still way down on the bottom.
[59:16]
Dylan Mulvaney
Really? Yeah. I feel like I've lived a lot of life, man.
[59:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah.
[59:19]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I'm happy, though.
[59:24]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You do things.
[59:25]
Dylan Mulvaney
And now. And I've exposed you to musicals, Broadway musicals. What's your favorite?
[59:30]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You know, that's a great one. I think it's gotta be up there with Wicked.
[59:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yep.
[59:35]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That's one of your faves. I can tell you a story about that, but we don't have the time.
[59:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
I remember my first trip to New York with you. We traded. We'd get. We'd go to a Yankee game during the day.
[59:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Three Yankee padre games.
[59:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
And then we'd go to a Broadway show at night.
[59:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We went and saw Avenue Q.
[59:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
Avenue Q, which was the naked ladies.
[59:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Think I was the worst dad in the world.
[59:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
And then you also. I tried.
[59:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I want to lick.
[59:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
You were gonna take me to Menopause the Musical. And my mom, she noticed that. So pissed. She was like. Like, what the.
[60:07]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You can't take him to that. You can't take her to that one.
[60:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
And honestly, I think that would have been kind of educational for us both.
[60:13]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
But definitely for me. Yeah, but you were much more mature than I was. And, you know, I was the old guy and you were the young kid. And the ladies would be looking at me like, Damn Yankees. I think we saw at the old Globe.
[60:25]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, no, the. Wait was there. There was a naked one. Yeah, that's not Damn Yankees. That's take. Take Me out was a play.
[60:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
What?
[60:31]
Dylan Mulvaney
They were showering in the bathroom and you know what? I probably knew going in and I just sat a devilish grin like, you have no idea what you took me to.
[60:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I was, you know, I. I didn't care. I. I thought it was great. It was an education for me. And that's what's really been great about our lives together is you have helped educate me, to help me to be the man I am today, which is a much better man than was 26, 28 years ago before you showed up on this earth.
[61:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
And thank you.
[61:02]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, it's a fact. I just, you know, I'm. I wouldn't be with this beautiful woman any long, you know, I wouldn't have what I have.
[61:10]
Dylan Mulvaney
I. Now, we've done a lot of oversharing today, but we have a segment called Overshare, don't care on the Dylan Hour and we're going to do a lightning round of questions for you. Are you ready?
[61:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm ready.
[61:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay. Two minutes on the clock. Dream golf foursome.
[61:26]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Jack Nicholson, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods.
[61:34]
Dylan Mulvaney
Great favorite part of sobriety?
[61:37]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
The fact I wake up every morning without a hangover and I'm not shaking like I used to.
[61:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Favorite part about being a dad?
[61:45]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Watching you grow and turning into the woman you've turned into.
[61:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
Least favorite part about being a dad?
[61:52]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Keep putting out those thousand dollars a month, the 2000amonth that I needed to back when you were at in your college days.
[62:02]
Dylan Mulvaney
Best advice you've ever gotten.
[62:05]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Stop drinking and drugging. You're killing yourself.
[62:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
Beach or mountains?
[62:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Huh?
[62:11]
Dylan Mulvaney
Beach or mountains? What would you exclaim if you stubbed your toe? Other early riser or night owl?
[62:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Early. I used to be in the night owl and I'd be watching the sun come up, but now I'm an early riser.
[62:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
Go to dance. Move. Yay.
[62:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
The roof is the roof. Raise the roof.
[62:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
Do you have a pet peeve?
[62:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Assholes in this world that don't understand drivers? Thank you.
[62:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
You're right there and we'll. No, that's the last question and we think we should get into it.
[62:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Honey, I can't drive. I drive great. But I just drive like my father.
[62:51]
Dylan Mulvaney
So mad dear.
[62:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I do. I get and I. I'm getting better.
[62:57]
Dylan Mulvaney
Put on your turn indicator.
[62:59]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh yeah, I know just, you know that just one thing after another. But it's just like my pop did. You know my mother would have fits driving with Jim. Jim, don't get so close to that car. But you know I'M just, you know.
[63:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
That'S part of us.
[63:13]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm not going to say that I haven't been in an accident because it really happened.
[63:17]
Dylan Mulvaney
You accept my transness? I accept your driving.
[63:19]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[63:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
Wow. How about. And you love skiing.
[63:22]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Do you remember snow skiing?
[63:23]
Dylan Mulvaney
I've gotten hurt a few times with you up there.
[63:25]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, man, that was terrible. One of the one that we. Late in the day I took her down a black diamond. This way's. This way's quicker back to the.
[63:37]
Dylan Mulvaney
I'm sure it was. Yes, it was straight up and it was a 90 degree angle.
[63:41]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You know, we're going down the bobsled and then. Then when she hit her head on a getting off of a tramp. We didn't wear. Back then, pussies only wore helmets. Now they all wear helmets. But I haven't been in a. I.
[63:55]
Dylan Mulvaney
Was wearing a helmet that day.
[63:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Were you?
[63:57]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah.
[63:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, thank God.
[63:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
And smacked it good. Well, because you and uncle were pushing off and sent me back into the lift and so by the time I jumped off, it threw me into the building.
[64:11]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That was a toughie. And that was on the cornice of Mammoth.
[64:14]
Dylan Mulvaney
I will say tobogganing down a mountain. Mountain is a good time.
[64:17]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, I bet it was. But no, I think skiing's great. It's just when you get older. I just don't like the cold anymore. I don't like the cold fingers, the cold toes.
[64:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
We gotta get a jacuzzi. Yeah, I always say that's when you mate, is when you have a jacuzzi.
[64:31]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, neither of us at that house. We have one out at the. In the.
[64:35]
Dylan Mulvaney
It's a communal one.
[64:36]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, that's kind of yucky, but yeah, it's you.
[64:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Does the pool still look like you used to.
[64:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, it's nicer.
[64:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
Were you stoned? When you'd throw me up in the.
[64:43]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Air all the time.
[64:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
That sounds.
[64:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You can count on it.
[64:45]
Dylan Mulvaney
We used to go.
[64:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We used to go wake and bake. Jimmy.
[64:49]
Dylan Mulvaney
Jimmy. We'd go to the pool and he'd toss me up in the air and we do flips for all the people watching at the community pool. And then we'd go to the mall and go watch kids movies.
[64:58]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. Oh, that's a bummer about not having a kid around anymore because I. I have to rent a kid to go see. You know, I love the Minions and.
[65:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
You know, he just wants to be able to go to the movie to see a kid's movie and the movie theater without being judged.
[65:14]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
What's the old guy doing? In here, you're like, yeah, no, that's your reading level. It's pretty much, yeah. Yeah. I didn't.
[65:21]
Dylan Mulvaney
Scooby Doo. We loved it.
[65:22]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I think third grade was the three worst years of my life. That was a joke, guys.
[65:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's good.
[65:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Thank you.
[65:29]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's great.
[65:30]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah. My dad would say. I'd come home with three Fs and a D. And I'd say, dad, maybe I tried a little too hard in that one subject.
[65:39]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, now we've got a last call confessional. A caller from the Dylan Hour, one of our followers is going to say a little message to us, and we'll respond.
[65:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Cool. Do we know him?
[65:52]
Dylan Mulvaney
Not yet. Well, we don't know any strangers, do we?
[65:56]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Too many.
[65:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
Hello, honey.
[66:04]
Unknown
This is my confession. The other day, I was in the West Village. I was eating dinner, and you were sitting at the bar next to me with your friend. And I was too afraid to say hi because I didn't want to bother you at dinner. But I have to say that it was the most exciting moment of my life. I don't even know the name of the restaurant. It was the Italian place. You were with your friend. We got the same pasta. You looked very beautiful. You had a black sparkly dress on. I was very excited. Was sitting right next to you with my friend at the bar. Most exciting moment of my whole life. And I wish I would have said hi, but you looked wonderful and beautiful.
[66:40]
Dylan Mulvaney
Thank you, friend.
[66:41]
Unknown
You had a lovely day.
[66:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Did you hear that? Yeah.
[66:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
What kind of pasta?
[66:45]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, the Chicacho Pepe. I remember it now. It was Saint Ambrosius and in the West Village in New York. And I did. I remember seeing some eyes across the bar that maybe wanted to say hello. But you being the network king that you are, what would be your advice for someone to, like, to be able to feel like they can say hello to people?
[67:07]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Just walk right up and say, I love you, Dylan. You just have to remember that everybody's just a person. We all put on our clothes the same way. We all. But that is so nice. That's so sweet of what you just said, because I run into that all the time where. When I'm out with Dylan, where somebody will be like, oh, my God, we're in Bora Bora. And across the pool, this young girl about 14 comes over and goes, mom, mom, it's Dylan, Dylan Mulvaney. And I'm like, yeah. And how about dad?
[67:44]
Dylan Mulvaney
This is. Well, this is your moment, honey. Get ready.
[67:48]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I want you just to have it. And I Don't need it. I've had a. My moment has been many, many, many times. But getting to watch you and the people, you know, that are so proud of you and what you're doing for the trans community and helping, you know, them realize that it's okay to be somebody that's, you know. Because a lot of people want to just shut their doors and hide and not you. You're out there and don't ever change because you know, if you do, you won't be the Dylan Mulvaney that the world wants and needs and. Yeah, just keep doing what you're doing.
[68:26]
Dylan Mulvaney
But you don't change either.
[68:27]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I'm not gonna.
[68:28]
Dylan Mulvaney
Not too much.
[68:29]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I'm working on it.
[68:30]
Dylan Mulvaney
You've really. I'm telling you, I've watched you evolve so much over these last few years, and you're calmer, you're kinder, you're thoughtful. You shop at other places than Costco.
[68:42]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I think I got these, but Jen gets me everything.
[68:45]
Dylan Mulvaney
Wild socks, honey.
[68:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I love wild socks.
[68:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
I know it. And now we're gonna go hit the carpet and we're gonna hopefully have a great time tonight.
[68:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah.
[68:54]
Dylan Mulvaney
I know you love LA and you would love to just live here and sit in traffic as much as you can.
[69:00]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, God, I hate it. But, yes, that is some.
[69:04]
Dylan Mulvaney
The. I feel like you're conditioned in San Diego to, like, immediately hate la. Like. Like you just. Everyone's conditioned that way.
[69:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, it's because when I was a little kid, my mom and dad sent me up to Pasadena to stay with my aunt. And back when in the 70s and in the 60s, there was so much smog you couldn't breathe and your eyes would water and you'd be, like, miserable. And I really, literally thought my parents were torturing me when they sent me to la. And, yeah, that pretty much started it, but the traffic is tough and I'm sure there's people that have helicopters or something that don't worry about it, but.
[69:42]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, I'm not one of those.
[69:43]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, but you do take a lot of those, you know, Ubers and stuff.
[69:47]
Dylan Mulvaney
I do love an Uber. I do be loving an Uber.
[69:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, well, that's the way to do it, especially if you're ever drinking. And I know you don't drink too much, but, yeah, make sure you've. Anybody listening? If there's ever a drop of alcohol in them, Uber it, because it isn't worth it any. Any other way. And I'll pay the bill if I have to. Oh, shit.
[70:07]
Dylan Mulvaney
So now we got them. Coming to your house for cookies. They're sitting on the beach.
[70:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I make a grand great chicken parmesan, too. Oh, no.
[70:14]
Dylan Mulvaney
Would you ever do a vegan one for me? I don't think you could.
[70:18]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
What would vegan tofu. I would try it, but it would not. I don't think it'd be all that good.
[70:27]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, my God.
[70:28]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Maybe some. Some. I do a good spaghetti. Squash and stuff.
[70:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
Oh, you know I don't like vegetables. Was that. Oh, this is a good way to wrap up. Did I always hate healthy food growing up?
[70:38]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yes, you did. You were terrible. I remember when you. You. I remember when you ate your first salad. I was so proud.
[70:45]
Dylan Mulvaney
How old was I, like 11?
[70:46]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No, we were in Rome or someplace.
[70:50]
Dylan Mulvaney
I had to go to Caesar, the place to eat a Caesar salad.
[70:53]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We got you to eat that salad. That was great.
[70:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
And then still the only salad I've eaten is Caesar.
[70:58]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Then you like shrimp, too?
[71:00]
Dylan Mulvaney
Shrimp now and lobster.
[71:01]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Well, but the shrimp, these shrimp they brought out had the head still on.
[71:06]
Dylan Mulvaney
Them and the crow claws. Oh, man, the eyes.
[71:08]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It was like, immediately, get it away from me. Get it away from me.
[71:12]
Dylan Mulvaney
And I'm like, I couldn't believe that that was. You ordered shrimp and that's how they came.
[71:16]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
We didn't know they were going to come that way. But, yeah, you have always eaten. I just went to Scotland. Jen and I just went to Scotland to see Dylan in an incredible play called Fag Hag. And you were incredible. That's going to Broadway, no doubt. And I. But the one thing she asked us to bring her were Cheez Its and my cookies, but Cheez its. And I'm like, oh, boy.
[71:43]
Dylan Mulvaney
And you brought them.
[71:44]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah. Big family box.
[71:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
I love Cheez it.
[71:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
That was in my suitcase.
[71:48]
Dylan Mulvaney
Now I've got a few snacks over there that I have people bringing me back things. Percy. Pigs.
[71:53]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, I saw that.
[71:55]
Dylan Mulvaney
Ate a lot of Domino's while I was there. But I think you just took me to McDonald's a lot when I was young. Do you remember? That was kind of the trade off.
[72:02]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I hated it, you know, I.
[72:03]
Dylan Mulvaney
But you could stick me up in the. You know, I'd run in.
[72:06]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I could probably go out and get stoned.
[72:08]
Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah. And then you like McDonald's a little bit more.
[72:10]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Actually stopped that when I. When you were probably about four or so. So, you know, I had to grow up. And that's what you've helped me with, is growing up and getting me more.
[72:20]
Dylan Mulvaney
We're still kind of.
[72:21]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, I'm still just. Yeah. Peter Pan all of our lives, baby. You know I'll never grow up. I don't want to go to school.
[72:32]
Dylan Mulvaney
And everyone watching the Dylan Hour, this has been. I was going to say Jim Mulvaney. Where can they find you? They can't.
[72:40]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No.
[72:41]
Dylan Mulvaney
That is my favorite part of this episode is the fact that.
[72:45]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Get the hangout.
[72:46]
Dylan Mulvaney
You don't want them to.
[72:47]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
No. Thank you. But I want to be your dad forever and ever.
[72:53]
Dylan Mulvaney
I don't want to be your kid forever.
[72:54]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I just. I'm so proud of you. It's great.
[72:56]
Dylan Mulvaney
I love you.
[72:57]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I love you.
[72:58]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay, everyone. And, oh, also, an amazing organization that we both love is called the Trevor Project.
[73:04]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Amen.
[73:05]
Dylan Mulvaney
And they donate to crisis services for queer youth that don't have accepting families like mine. So think about supporting them. We'll try to put a link in one of these bios, but Dylan did.
[73:20]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Day 365 in New York City was one of the great days of my life. I got to walk up and wasn't even rehearsed. I walked up on stage when she was giving a talk about the Trevor Project, and I just went up crying. And I told her how proud I was.
[73:36]
Dylan Mulvaney
And at first I go, what the fuck is he doing up here? We've been rehearsing this for weeks. And we got a rogue dad. And then you hustle hugged me, and I really needed a hug. And I don't think you knew this, but that went really viral on Tick Tock.
[73:50]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Oh, yeah, I'm sure it did. But it was mostly my back of my head and people were saying, why didn't you turn around? And I kept just saying, because I was crying so bad. I didn't want everybody to see it. But I don't mind crying. You may.
[74:01]
Dylan Mulvaney
Well, the back of your head looked Great, Dad.
[74:03]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I cried. 3.
[74:04]
Dylan Mulvaney
Still got a good head of hair.
[74:06]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
You got that now.
[74:06]
Dylan Mulvaney
That's something in the Mulvaney family that's really working. But I did. I got mine to. You know, mine started up here once upon a time.
[74:13]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
It's.
[74:13]
Dylan Mulvaney
We got it taken down here now.
[74:15]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Yeah, well, some. One of my best friends says we got Kennedy hair.
[74:22]
Dylan Mulvaney
Okay.
[74:23]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
I love you.
[74:24]
Dylan Mulvaney
Love you.
[74:24]
James Francis Mulvaney Jr.
Okay.
[74:28]
Hasan Minhaj
Want even more of the Dylan Hour? Now is a great time to subscribe to Lemonada Premium. You'll get bonus content, outtakes and more from conversations with fabulous guests like Joe Lock and Dylan's dad, Jim Mulvaney. Just hit the subscribe button on Apple Podcasts. Or for all other podcast apps, head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe that's lemonadapremium.com the Dylan Hour is a production of La Monada Media. Our supervising producer is Jess Kreincich. Producers are Carmen Laura, Keegan Zema and Aria Bracci. Audio and video production and engineering by Jordan Lynn, Ivan Koraev and Brian Castillo. Our essays VP of Weekly Programming is Steve Nelson. Our theme song was composed by Daniel Mertzluft and arranged by Erin Kaufman. Special thanks to Megan Strickland Executive producers Stephanie Whittles Wax, Jessica Cordova Kramer, Katherine Law and Dylan Mulvaney. You can find us online at Lemonada Media and you can find Dylan on TikTok and Instagram. Ylan Mulvaney Follow the Dylan Hour wherever you get your podcasts or listen. Ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership hey, I'm Reshma Sajani, founder of Girls who Code and Moms First. I consider myself a pretty successful adult woman. So why is it that in midlife as I'm about to turn 50, I feel so stuck? Join me as I try to find the answer on my so called Midlife from Lemonada Media. I talk to experts and extraordinary guests about divorce, exercise, menopause, sex, drugs and more to understand what we're going through and how to make the most of it. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.
[76:08]
Kate Bowler
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