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Point of Learning
Hosted by Peter Horn · EN
A podcast for anyone curious about what and how and why we learn.
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WE ARE THE CAVALRY with DREW WARSHAW
Apr 22Tap to summarizeWE ARE THE CAVALRY with DREW WARSHAW Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Drew Warshaw is running for New York State Comptroller, an office he believes can be used much more effectively to support working New Yorkers. He proposes creating the largest affordable housing fund in the country, divesting from foreign countries, investing in New York, and supporting our most vulnerable neighbors. He wants to audit utility monopolies, and ensure that struggling nonprofits get paid on time. I’m impressed not only by his vision for how government can be excellent, but also by his humility about not having all the answers and wanting to learn about the challenges facing different communities across the state. READ THE TRANSCRIPT The New York State Democratic Primary Election will be held on Tuesday, June 23, 2026. “And beyond even his class of political officials, Warshaw could offer all Democrats a model for what to do with power and where to find it. When government successfully addresses common problems—and citizens actually know it, and feel it—that strengthens the very idea of the common good. But to get there, you need public servants of uncommon competence and commitment. Drew Warshaw might just fit the bill” — Katrina vanden Heuvel, The Nation, April 27, 202 SHOW NOTESMORE ABOUT DREW. More detailed information about Drew’s platform and how to support his campaign are available at drewwarshaw.com. Here are some recent pieces curated by Drew’s team: POLITICO | $20B for 200,000 units of permanently affordable housingCITY AND STATE | Opinion: Why your electric bill is so high – and how the state comptroller can lower itTHE FORWARD | I’m a Jewish candidate for New York comptroller. Our state must divest from Israel bonds WXXI Connections | Drew Warshaw, candidate for New York State comptroller Additional select clips and materials can be found here.The NEW YORK STATE PRIMARY ELECTION will be held on Tuesday, June 23, 2026. Polls are open from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. Early voting in New York State runs from June 13 to June 21. For more information, including how to find your polling place, visit elections.ny.gov.MUSIC. Point of Learning’s signature intro and outro are special instrumental versions of “Weight of the World” and “Villainous Thing” from Shayfer James’ 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade. All of Shayfer’s music is used by Point of Learning with the artist’s explicit permission. To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. Given this episode’s title, I couldn’t resist clipping Shayfer’s 2023 romp “Cavalry.” Also featured with the artist’s permission is a special instrumental version of “Troublemaker” from the 2024 album Shipwreck.SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. To make an episode that sounds like this takes me and my staff of zero other people about 40 hours. Even a nominal gift helps with everything from audio software patches to my subscription to the video meeting platform that allows me to record interviews. There are two easy ways to donate! LEARN MORE ABOUT SUPPORTING PoL PoL Sponsors: Aaron B...
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HOUSE OF DIGGS with MARION ORR
Feb 26Tap to summarizeHouse of Diggs with Marion Orr Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Dr. Marion Orr is a political scientist and the inaugural Frederick Lippitt Professor of Public Policy at Brown University. His publications include House of Diggs: The Rise and Fall of America’s Most Consequential Black Congressman, Charles C. Diggs Jr., which we discuss today. He also wrote Black Social Capital: The Politics of School Reform in Baltimore; and The Color of School Reform: Race, Politics, and the Challenge of Urban Education. Dr. Orr was awarded the Biographers International Organization’s Francis “Frank” Rollin Fellowship for his work on Congressman Diggs. Orr’s book recounts Diggs’ early life as a son of the Great Migration, confronting racism as a young officer in the U.S. military, and his years as a successful funeral home director—“House of Diggs” was actually the name of the Detroit funeral home founded by his father, Charles Diggs, Sr. The book details Diggs’ election as the first Black Congressman to serve a majority-white district; his role at the trial of Emmett Till’s murderers; his friendship with Dr. King; his significant impact on federal civil rights policy, including desegregating commercial airlines and military bases; his role as founder of the Congressional Black Caucus; his fight against apartheid in South Africa; and his many other contributions as a public servant. If you, like me, knew nothing or next to nothing about Congressman Charles C. Diggs, Jr. before encountering Dr. Orr’s work, that may be partially because of the scandal that ended Diggs’ political career, which involved dogged targeting by another Congressman you’ve definitely heard of. We get into that too. READ THE TRANSCRIPT If you’re as hungry as I am to be reminded about the role that Congress is supposed to play, this episode is for you! As always, books ordered from my site benefit neither me nor Jeff Bezos in any way. I link to listings from bookshop.org, which helps to support independent booksellers. ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTESRELATED MATERIALS. My 2020 conversation with Dr. Errick L. Greene, Superintendent of Jackson (MS) Schools, is one of my all-time faves. To check it out, visit Leading with Mind and Heart: Errick L. Greene. MUSIC. Point of Learning’s signature intro and outro are special instrumental versions of “Weight of the World” and “Villainous Thing” from Shayfer James’ 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade. All of Shayfer’s music is used by Point of Learning with the artist’s explicit permission. To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. Special piano music for this episode was provided by the incomparable Gil Scott Chapman, who may be heard many summers as artist in residence in the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island in Congressman Diggs’ home state of Michigan. You can read and hear more from him on his website. SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some ar...
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VALENTINE FROM MINNEAPOLIS
Feb 15Tap to summarizeValentine from Minneapolis Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Despite the title, this is not an episode for sensitive listeners, and it certainly isn’t for kids. I’ve never made an episode like this—but I’ve also never lived in a country like this. Last month, masked federal agents, deployed in the name of public safety, murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti. State-sponsored killing is as old as states, but never in my lifetime did the U.S. President and other federal officials immediately flood the airwaves with lies and personal attacks on the victims, hinder local investigators, or launch a patently unwarranted investigation into a victim’s grieving spouse. I have not been able to travel to Minneapolis to stand in solidarity with its residents as they endure a siege by our federal government, but I can make a small contribution to the public record about these actions. This episode features excerpts from my conversation with a friend in Minneapolis, recorded two days ago, on February 12th, the same day that Border Czar Tom Homan held a news conference announcing that the Trump Administration was drawing down its surge of agents to Minnesota. I should state that as of today, February 14th, local reports indicate that abductions by and other violent interactions with federal agents have not, in fact, abated, but unless you live in Minnesota, these updates may not make their way into your news feed. Minneapolis is just the most recent high-profile target on a list of cities that includes Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington D.C. The reason I believe it’s important, unfortunately, for my education podcast to engage the topic of state-sponsored terror and present personal testimony about what it’s like to live through it is that sooner or later all of us will need to learn how to contend with a federal government that no longer pretends to the rule of law. We as citizens, especially those of us who enjoy the privilege of being U.S. citizens, must learn how we can plan together and work together to pull our country back from the brink. SHOW NOTESGETTING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD READY. My guest mentioned Monarca, a coalition of thousands of workers, students, people of faith, parents, clergy, business owners, teachers, caregivers, and young people in Minnesota. They have trained over 20,000 everyday Minnesotans as neighborhood observers to help protect people’s rights where it matters most—on the ground, in communities. They provide a strong example for other municipalities to emulate. SUPPORT MINNESOTANS. From Minneapolis bookstore Tropes & Trifles’ February newsletter: “Rent support remains our highest priority for donations, as the economic impact of the ICE occupation will continue to affect the most financially precarious first. In the store we're now directing all donations to the Powderhorn Park Neighborhood Association Rent Support Fund, which provides direct cash assistance to cost-burdened renters across Minneapolis.” To donate, scroll down in the form to WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUPPORT A SPECIFIC INITIATIVE? and select RENTER SUPPORT FUND. Other rent relief funds accepting donations are accessible via Stand with Minnesota, a “crowd-funded, volunteer-run project started by a lady from minneapolis stuck in texile, who had to channel her nervous energy somewhere.” <img data-stretch="false" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5899ee3a1b10e35238fc13d9/c90669a8-9684-48f2-be45-a06d0a286b63/ICE+screen+grab....
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COMMIT TO CONNECT: THE PROJECT ON CIVIC DIALOGUE
Dec 3Tap to summarizeCommit to Connect: The Project on Civic Dialogue Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Making this episode was a special treat, not least because it didn’t end up being anything like the episode I thought I’d be making! But it’s so much better … kind of like one of those conversations where you enter with a spirit of humility, listen generously, and allow your mind to be changed. As someone who specializes in helping people have better conversations across differences, I devoured Lara Hope Schwartz’s book Try to Love the Questions: From Debate to Dialogue in Classrooms and Life (Princeton UP, 2024). I reached out to Professor Schwartz, who teaches at American University, hoping we could talk about her excellent book and maybe learn some more about the program she founded and directs at AU, called the Project on Civic Dialogue. She accepted my invitation, but suggested that the best way to learn about the Project on Civic Dialogue would be to talk as well with some of the student facilitators who moderate conversations and lead other events that PCD sponsors at the university. I am delighted to present my conversation about PCD and its work, featuring current American University students Grace Manson and Arjun Mishra, alumna Khushi Ramnani, and Professor Schwartz. READ THE TRANSCRIPT “Our commitment is to listen. To hold the flame of our voices in a shared space, and commit to connect and actively participate in a deliberate and intelligent manner.” — Khushi Ramnani '24 Professor Schwartz’s book addresses college students as its target readership, but anyone interested in better conversations will profit from this engaging read. Including worthwhile reflection and writing prompts with each chapter (and activities for professors in the appendix), the book is logically laid out, clearly written—and leavened with the same wit you hear in our podcast conversation. For example, my fave chapter epigraph is “‘An opinion is not an accomplishment.’ —ME. I SAID THAT.”)As always, books ordered from my site benefit neither me nor Jeff Bezos in any way. I link to listings from bookshop.org, which helps to support independent booksellers. ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTESABOUT PROFESSOR SCHWARTZ. Lara Hope Schwartz is a lawyer and former civil rights strategist who teaches in the School of Public Affairs at American University in Washington, D.C., where she is founding director of the Project on Civic Dialogue. She co-authored How to College: What to Know Before You Go (And When You’re There) with Andrea Malkin Brenner (MacMillan, 2019). ABOUT PCD. To learn more about The Project on Civic Dialogue at American University, here’s their site. PRODUCTION SUPPORT. Special thanks to PCD Program Coordinator Rahul Kirkhope for his logistical support with this episode. RELATED MATERIALS. I’ve done about a dozen episodes on topics related to dialogue, so please browse the back catalog at whim! A recent fave of mine is <span c...
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DEEP READING with JUSTIN McDANIEL
Oct 1Tap to summarizeDeep Reading with Justin McDaniel Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Justin McDaniel and I discuss two of his unconventional courses at the University of Pennsylvania: “Existential Despair,” a literature class where students read entire books in single, seven-hour sessions without phones or note-taking to read for experience rather than information; and “Living Deliberately,” where students adopt monastic practices like silence and dietary restrictions to understand voluntary discipline. McDaniel is the Edmund J. and Louise W. Kahn Endowed Professor of the Humanities at Penn. Currently serving as chair of the Department of Religious Studies, McDaniel specializes in Buddhism and Southeast Asia. READ THE TRANSCRIPT SHOW NOTESTo learn more about Justin McDaniel and his work, visit his website. The excellent feature by Dave Zeitlin for The Pennsylvania Gazette (May/June 2025) on the two courses we focus on in this episode is linked here. MUSIC. Point of Learning’s signature intro and outro are special instrumental versions of “Weight of the World” and “Villainous Thing,” respectively, authorized by their creator, Shayfer James, from his 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade. To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. This episode features additional tracks composed and performed by Rinde Eckert. SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. To make an episode that sounds like this takes me and my staff of zero other people about 40 hours. Follow David’s advice in today’s patron break and consider a one-time or recurring donation, which helps keep the lights on! There are two easy ways to donate! LEARN MORE PoL Sponsors: Aaron Bartley, Gilberto Belaval, Mary Rappl Bellanti, Raj Bhandari, Melinda Bihn, Gretchen & David Brand, Jenni and Robbie Brand, Jake Brown, Heather Carson-Wake, Patty Cruice, Ryan Daly, David Davis, James Duggan, Dave Eisenberg, Phillip Ellis, Anna Falicov, Errick L. Greene, Krista Haley, Jonathan Hiam, Gregory Horn, Janice & John & Ava & Brooke Horn, The Idari Collective, Greg Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Zack Kramer, Maureen and Alan Lantis, Tim Lear, Janet & Robert Lee, Kristen Lee, Robyn Lee, Tom Loughlin, Susan Lytle, Carol MacVey, Jacob Marley, Linda B. Matt, Ellen McLaughlin, J. W. Gregg Meister, Miriam Meister, Sarah & Peter Meister, Dwight Nolt, Julia Olff, Monica & Rowland Richards, Gail & Frank Richeson, Friends of Diana Rochford, Stacy Rodgers, Robert Rossiter, Elizabeth & Terry Rowlands, Paula A. Roy, Dale Schmid, Brendan Sullivan, Emily Style, Marue Walizer, John B. Webb, Keith Zemsky, Vana ZervanosSTAY IN TOUCHIf you’re interested in the newsletter that will tell you whenever a new episode drops, it only takes a few seconds to sign up! JOIN THE PoL MAILING LIST
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HUMAN-CENTERED AI IN SCHOOLS with ERIC HUDSON
Jul 17Tap to summarizeHuman-Centered AI in Schools with Eric Hudson Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Eric Hudson and I discuss the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in education, exploring how schools and educators can approach AI in a human-centered way. We talk about the misconceptions schools have about AI, the need to rethink traditional notions of "cheating" and academic integrity, the importance of active engagement with AI tools, and the need for comprehensive AI literacy education for both students and teachers.Eric Hudson is a facilitator and strategic advisor who supports schools in making sense of the changes brought about by emerging technologies like AI. He has extensive experience working with schools and learning organizations around the world, and he specializes in learner-centered assessment, human-centered leadership, and strategic program design. READ THE TRANSCRIPT SHOW NOTESTo learn more about Eric Hudson and his work, visit his website. The name of his Substack newsletter is Learning on Purpose. During our conversation, we referred to a framework for AI literacy by Digital Promise, linked here. MUSIC. Point of Learning’s signature intro and outro are special instrumental versions of “Weight of the World” and “Villainous Thing,” respectively, authorized by their creator, Shayfer James, from his 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade. To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. This episode features additional tracks by DJ Sluggy (aka Sluggz). SPECIAL ASSISTANTS. Shoutouts to Heidi (murf.ai) and Claude (anthropic.ai) for augmenting today’s production. See below. A screenshot of Peter’s interaction with Claude, a chatbot from anthropic. ai. Claude generated the response captured here in 2-3 seconds. (6/30/25) SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. To make an episode that sounds like this takes me and my staff of zero other people about 40 hours. Be like Heidi (except more human) in today’s patron break and consider a one-time or recurring donation, which helps keep the lights on! There are two easy ways to donate! Learn more PoL Sponsors: Aaron Bartley, Gilberto Belaval, Mary Rappl Bellanti, Raj Bhandari, Melinda Bihn, Gretchen & David Brand, Jenni and Robbie Brand, Jake Brown, Heather Carson-Wake, Patty Cruice, Ryan Daly, David Davis, James Duggan, Dave Eisenberg, Phillip Ellis, Anna Falicov, Errick L. Greene, Krista Haley, Jonathan Hiam, Gregory Horn, Janice & John & Ava & Brooke Horn, The Idari Collective, Greg Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Zack Kramer, Maureen and Alan Lantis, Tim Lear, Janet & Robert Lee, Kristen Lee, Robyn Lee, Tom Loughlin, Susan Lytle, Carol Mac...
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THE FIRST 100 DAZE with JONATHAN RAUCH
May 1, 202501:07:31Tap to summarizeThe First 100 Daze with Jonathan Rauch Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download At some point during my video call with Jonathan Rauch on April 9th, 2025, it began to dawn on me that my planned release date for this episode would be on or around the 100th day of the second Trump Administration. It also occurred to me that I could not be speaking with someone better qualified to throw into vivid relief some of the dimensions of what this means. An expert on government, Jonathan Rauch is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He has written nine books and hundreds of articles and essays—often on policy, but also on topics ranging from gay marriage to agriculture to animal rights to height discrimination. I have wanted to speak with Jonathan Rauch since 2021, when I first read his masterful book The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth. The first half of our conversation centers on this book, with special attention to the propaganda and other cognitive warfare tactics Trump has adapted from the likes of Roy Cohn and Vladimir Putin. In the second half of our conversation, we discuss Rauch’s 2025 book Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy, which marks a profound shift in Rauch’s own thinking, and makes the case, based on arguments advanced by the Founders as well as contemporary events, that the U.S. requires a healthier relationship with the kind of religious practice Jesus himself embodied in order to endure. READ THE TRANSCRIPT ORDER THE BOOK ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTES<strong...
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THE CERTAINTY TRAP with ILANA REDSTONE
Feb 28, 202500:56:20Tap to summarizeThe Certainty Trap with Ilana Redstone Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download This year, I’ll be focusing more than usual on the podcast on how we can have better conversations, especially with people we disagree with. I’m honored to kick things off with someone whose new book I really love. Ilana Redstone is the author of The Certainty Trap: Why We Need to Question Ourselves More―and How We Can Judge Others Less, published in September 2024. With a joint Ph.D. in demography and sociology from the University of Pennsylvania, she’s a sociology professor at the University of Illinois, where her course about the sociology of political polarization is called “Bigots and Snowflakes.”' READ THE TRANSCRIPT ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTESABOUT THE AUTHOR. To learn more about Ilana Redstone and her work, visit her website. I mentioned The National SEED Project during today’s show as an exemplary DEI program. Learn more about their work in my SEED Folk episode from 2019. More about FALLACIES. I shared with Dr. Redstone that I liked to teach kids about fallacies as common liabilities in constructing arguments that humans are prone to commit. Here’s my blog post about that. MUSIC. In addition to standard intro (“Weight of the World”) and outro (“Villainous Thing”) music from Shayfer James’ 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade, underscore from this episode features an instrumental version of “Devils and Rebels” from Shipwreck (2023). (You betcha I was the one playing that fiddle doubling that theremin.) To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. To make an episode that sounds like this takes me and my staff of zero other people about 40 hours. Be like Jake Brown in today’s patron break and consider a recurring donation, which helps with everything from recording equipment batteries to buying my copy of The Certainty Trap: Why We Need to Question Ourselves More―and How We Can Judge Others Less. There are two easy ways to donate! Learn more PoL Sponsors: Aaron Bartley, Gilberto Belaval, Mary Rappl Bellanti, Raj Bhandari, Melinda Bihn, Gretchen & David Brand, Jenni and Robbie Brand, Jake Brown, Heather Carson-Wake, Patty Cruice, Ryan Daly, David Davis, James Duggan, Dave Eisenberg, Phillip Ellis, Anna Falicov, Errick ...
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FREEMAN’S CHALLENGE with ROBIN BERNSTEIN
Jan 1, 202501:13:34Tap to summarizeFreeman's Challenge with Robin Bernstein Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download Robin Bernstein is the Dillon Professor of American History and Professor of African and African American Studies and Studies of Women, Gender, and Sexuality at Harvard University. In this episode we discuss her latest book, Freeman's Challenge: The Murder That Shook America's Original Prison for Profit. Published by the University of Chicago Press in May 2024, it led Dr. Bernstein to—among other places—a packed fellowship hall at North Presbyterian Church in Williamsville, New York, where I got to hear her give a talk about it in July. I bought a copy of the book 5 minutes later, immediately certain that this story would captivate the Point of Learning audience just as it had me. It’s a compelling example of a mantra I used with my students: if you pursue any single area of interest far enough, you’ll see that it’s connected to everything else. In this case, “Through one Black man, his family, and his city, Robin Bernstein tells an explosive, moving story about the entangled origins of prison for profit and anti-Black racism” (from the book jacket). READ THE TRANSCRIPT ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTESABOUT THE AUTHOR. To learn more about Robin Bernstein’s work, visit her website. Mentioned at the end of our conversation, 13th Forward is the legislative coalition of advocates, grassroots organizations, and impacted people working to end exploitation and brutality within our prison labor system. It draws its name from the 13th Amendment, which outlawed chattel slavery with one exception: “as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.” Learn more about their work here. MUSIC. In addition to standard intro (“Weight of the World”) and outro (“Villainous Thing”) music from Shayfer James’ 2011 album Counterfeit Arcade, additional underscore from this episode includes instrumental versions of “700 Days” and “Troublemaker” from Shipwreck (2023). To find the latest tour and new release information for Shayfer James, visit his website. SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. To make an episode that sounds like this takes me and my staff of 0 people about 40 hours. Be like Raj Bhandari in today’s patron break and consider a recurring donation, which helps with everything from recording equipment batteries to buying my copy of Freeman’s Challenge: The Murder That Shook America’s Original Prison for Profit. There are two easy ways to donate! Learn more PoL Sponsors: Aaron Bartley, Gilberto Belaval, Mary Rappl Bellanti, Raj Bhandari, Melinda Bihn, Gretchen & David Brand, Jenni and Robbie Brand, Jake Brown, Heather Carson-Wake, Patty Cruice, Ryan Daly, David Davis, James Duggan, Dave Eisenberg, Phillip Ellis, Anna Falicov, Errick L. Greene, Krista Hale...
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CARING FOR MIGRANTS with John WEBB
Sep 26, 2024Tap to summarizeCaring for Migrants with John Webb Point of Learning with Peter Horn Download I’ve wanted to record an episode with Dr. John Webb for a long time, because there’s almost no one with whom I’ve had so many conversations about what matters in education. An educator possessed of a deeply humane approach to kids, John strives to know each student as an individual—and has taught several generations of teachers to do the same. He began his career as a teacher of French in Spring Valley, New York, a suburban community in Rockland County, about an hour north of New York City. He began teaching teachers during his years at Hunter College High School in Manhattan, where he also served as Chair of World Languages. He led Princeton’s Program in Teacher Preparation for 10 years, during which time he co-founded the Princeton University Preparatory Program, or PUPP, a summer institute for bright high school students from families with low income. Now John has written a book called Molyvos: A Greek Village’s Heroic Response to the Global Refugee Crisis, which personalizes and individualizes a humanitarian crisis that is usually too enormous to comprehend. (Photo: Nelson Mondaca) READ THE TRANSCRIPT SHOW NOTES ORDER THE BOOK SHOW NOTESMUSIC. To find the latest tour and new release information about Shayfer James, visit his website. Underscore and filigree soundtrack on this episode courtesy of artists who share their work via Pixabay: Nver Avetyan, Elen Lackner, Alexander Lisenkove, and Andrews Rodriguez. REAGAN SPEECH from 1980. If you’re interested in reading, hearing, or watching the full remarks from then-Governor Reagan, they’re available here, courtesy of American Rhetoric online speech bank. SPECIAL THANKSMany people support this podcast in one way or another. Some are able to contribute financially, which sustains this passion project to share great ideas about what and how and why we learn. Be like Vana Zervanos in today’s episode and consider a one-time gift, which helps with everything from recording equipment batteries to gas money for road trips to Cooperstown. There are two easy ways to donate! Learn more PoL Sponsors: Aaron Bartley, Gilberto Belaval, Mary Rappl Bellanti, Raj Bhandari, Melinda Bihn, Gretchen & David Brand, Jenni and Robbie Brand, Jake Brown, Heather Carson-Wake, Patty Cruice, Ryan Daly, David Davis, James Duggan, Dave Eisenberg, Phillip Ellis, Anna Falicov, Errick L. Greene, Krista Haley, Jonathan Hiam, Gregory Horn, Janice & John & Ava & Brooke Horn, The Idari Collective, Greg Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Zack Kramer, Maureen and Alan Lantis, Tim Lear, Janet & Robert Lee, Kristen Lee, Robyn Lee, Tom Loughlin, Susan Lytle, Carol MacVey, Jacob Marley, Linda B. Matt, Ellen McLaughlin, J. W. Gregg Meister, Miriam Meister, Sarah & Peter Meister, Dwight Nolt, Julia Olff, Monica & Rowland Richards, Gail & Frank Richeson, Friends of Diana Rochford, Stacy Rodgers, Robert Rossiter, Elizabeth & Terry Rowlands, Paula A. Roy, Dale Schmid, Brendan Sullivan, Emily Style, Marue Walizer, John B. Webb, Keith Zemsky, Vana ZervanosSTAY in touchIf you’re in...
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