This week, Thomas sits down with Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining), an Indigenous leader, speaker, teacher, and global ceremonialist, for a conversation exploring Indigenous perspectives on gender through the concepts of the Men’s Nation and Women’s Nation.

Pat shares Diné and Lakota wisdom on the spiritual aspect of gender roles and biology, and how the specific process of what some cultures refer to as “moon time” is actually an important and unique capacity that creates a deeper connection to the spirit world.

She and Thomas also discuss the spiritual implications of our tech-obsessed world and critique the modern “power-over” paradigm that isolates men and forces them into destructive competition. By contrast, Pat envisions a thriving life paradigm where the sacred masculine acts as a protective and supportive force instead of a dominating one, and we return to an “earth economy” rooted in radical abundance and fearless generosity.

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✨ Woman Stands Shining, Pat McCabe, is of the Diné Nation (Navajo), adopted into the Lakota spiritual way of life. She is a mother and grandmother, an international speaker/teacher, a global ceremonialist, radical bridger, and a listener for radical proposals from Spirit. Her current work is around trauma healing as renaissance for human presence on the planet, restoration of the Sacred Masculine, reimagining money to protect the sacred, and participating in Earth’s movements through “Land Back” or Land Reunion - in which entrenched narratives and beliefs are being disrupted through return of land to indigenous sovereign relationship.

Connect with Pat here 👉 https://www.patmccabe.net

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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