Great Movies With Silly Plots

Summary

Pop Culture Happy Hour: "Great Movies With Silly Plots"

Date: September 11, 2025
Hosts: Linda Holmes & Glen Weldon
Theme: A lively exploration of movies that are genuinely great yet hinge on plots that, on reflection, are undeniably silly.

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Episode Overview

Linda Holmes and Glen Weldon embark on a playful, insightful discussion about films that captivate audiences despite fundamentally silly or implausible plots. They dissect what makes a plot "silly," distinguish between conceptual and executional silliness, and debate how a story’s tone and craftsmanship can elevate even the most outlandish premises.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Defining the "Silly Plot" (03:06–04:11)

• Setting the Terms: The hosts clarify that they’re not talking about minor plot holes or nitpicking (IMDb "goofs"), but films where the entire premise is far-fetched or goofy.
  • Glen Weldon: “We're talking about movies that manage to enthrall you from start to finish...then you later realize that those characters…didn't behave the way that any real humans would. And weird things happen that never would or could or should happen. Yet everyone just accepts it.” [03:17]

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Linda’s Pick #1: The Martian (04:09–08:17)

• Premise: Matt Damon as an astronaut stranded alone on Mars, surviving for years by improvising food and shelter.
• Micro vs. Macro Silly: Linda notes that the science details are believable, but the overall idea is silly.
  • Linda Holmes: “On a micro level, you believe it...but on a macro level, it's a guy who's left alone on Mars, which is a foundationally, to me, silly idea.” [05:23]
• Not a Knock: Linda comments it's one of her favorite movies—the silliness enhances rather than detracts from her enjoyment.
• Glen’s Take: Glen’s memory focuses on "the poop potatoes" and the abundance of math, conceding that “somebody stranded alone on Mars” is as silly as the plot of Cast Away. [07:15]
• Craft Elevates Plot: The film beautifully splits the difference between a silly plot and a compelling story through character, wit, and mood.
  • Linda Holmes: “The plot is silly, but the story, because...of the characters...is not a silly story. If we can split that hair.” [07:40]

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Glen’s Pick: The Incredible Mr. Limpet (08:19–13:46)

• Premise Recap: Don Knotts plays a meek man who turns into a nearsighted cartoon fish with superpowers, acquires a fish girlfriend (cheating on his land wife), and helps fight Nazis.
• Sheer Absurdity: Glen revels in listing the escalating silliness—the protagonist’s transformation, his underwater roar ("thrum"), and the World War II subplot.
  • Glen Weldon: “Don Knotts plays a man who gets transformed into a cartoon fish with a pince nez and a superpower and a cartoon fish girlfriend that he cheats on his land wife with...and he fights Nazis.” [12:13]
• Self-Awareness: The film, and even its trailer, embraces the ridiculousness.
  • Trailer Quote (Glen as narrator): “Mr. Limpet is sure to be the most incredibly delightful movie about a man who turns into a fish that you'll see this year. See, they get it.” [13:33]

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Taxonomy of Silly: Macro vs. Detailed (14:01–14:34)

• Linda: Went with films that are silly at the core, but played seriously in their details.
• Glen: Picked a film that gets “sillier the more details you consider.”
• Key Insight: “You have a conceptual silliness and I have a execution silliness.” — Glen Weldon [14:26]

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Linda’s Pick #2: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (14:43–17:31)

• Premise: After a painful breakup, ex-lovers hire scientists to erase their memories of each other.
• Profound Yet Silly: Despite deep, soulful themes about love and regret, the underlying concept—a company that will come to your house and delete specific memories as you sleep—is patently ridiculous if described coldly.
  • Linda Holmes: “...it is all built around this idea that scientists can come to your house while you are asleep and do a procedure on you while you are asleep that gradually erases your memory of another person.” [16:22]
  • Notable Movie Dialogue:
    • Glen Weldon: "Is there any risk of brain damage?"
    • Linda Holmes: “Technically, the procedure is brain damage, but...” [16:29]
    • Glen Weldon: “It's on a par with a night of heavy drinking. Nothing you'll miss.” [16:32]
• Transcending Silliness: The film turns a “whimsical” sci-fi idea into something moving and profound.

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Talking "Silly" vs. "Science Fiction" (17:31–19:44)

• Glen Questions: Shouldn't this just be called sci-fi, not silly?
• Linda’s Nuance: The silliness here is in the Jetsons-like execution—it's the kind of speculative fiction device (memory erasure) that could be played as a goofy cartoon or deep drama. What matters is how it's handled.

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Whimsy and The Power of Story (20:10–21:03)

• Examples of Other Silly Plots: Star Wars, Indiana Jones—hugely successful, beloved movies that are fundamentally far-fetched.
• Linda: “With the Martian...that's what the appeal is. Of course, it's this very simple, very kind of semi-goofy idea...a thing that you would think of as a five year old.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Glen Weldon on audience engagement:
  “Wait, what? I'm Linda Holmes.” [00:56]
• Linda Holmes on enjoying the 'hum through plot':
  “It is what I used to refer to as a hum through plot, which means you just gotta kind of hum to yourself through the story and not think about it too much.” [04:11]
• On the beauty of silly plots:
  “What I love about a great movie with a silly plot is that it manages to make a silly plot into a story that's not silly.” — Linda Holmes [07:40]
• Glen on escalating absurdity:
  “As you go further into Wikipedia page, you're like, wait, what? Wait, what? Wait, what?” [14:26]
• Linda’s Summary Test:
  “If you sit down to tell somebody what the movie is about, it sounds silly.” [19:44]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Defining great/silly plots: 03:06–04:11
• The Martian discussion: 04:09–08:17
• The Incredible Mr. Limpet: 08:19–13:46
• Macro vs. Details taxonomy: 14:01–14:34
• Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: 14:43–17:31
• Whimsy/Sci-fi distinction: 17:31–19:44
• Other 'silly plot' examples: 20:10–21:03

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Conclusion and Listener Call-Out

The episode closes with a prompt for listener contribution:

• Linda Holmes: “I also want to know from folks how they're approaching it. Are they approaching it like silly in execution or are they approaching it like silly in concept, in theme?” [20:10]
• Glen Weldon: Encourages listeners to share their own favorite “great movies with silly plots” and definitions on the show’s Facebook page.

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Overall Tone: Playful, self-aware, geeky, and infectiously enthusiastic; the discussion celebrates both the artifice and the craft of great movies that dare to be a little ridiculous.

Transcript

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[Linda Holmes]

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[Glen Weldon]

Have you ever found yourself completely caught up in a film only to find after the lights come up that the story didn't make any damn sense at all, yet you loved it anyway?

[Linda Holmes]

We're talking about those movies that leave you with two simultaneous feelings. That was great. And. Wait, what? I'm Linda Holmes.

[Glen Weldon]

And I'm Glen Weldon. And today we're recommending three great movies with very, very silly plots on pop culture Happy hour from npr.

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[Glen Weldon]

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[Glen Weldon]

It's just us today. So, great movie, silly plot. That's the subject. Now I want to be clear. We're not talking about like minuscule plot holes or your weird little nitpicks.

[Linda Holmes]

We're not doing IMDb goofs.

[Glen Weldon]

We're not doing the IMDb goofs page. We're talking about movies that manage to enthrall you from start to finish. You get caught up in the setting and the mood and the characters and the look. Then you later realize that, that those characters you loved didn't behave the way that any real humans would. And weird things happen that never would or could or should happen. Yet everyone just accepts it. Linda, let's get right to it. What's your first pick?

[Linda Holmes]

Well, you know, Glenn, I thought about coming up with a taxonomy of silly plots.

[Glen Weldon]

Oh boy.

[Linda Holmes]

Because I really struggled with what exactly I meant by a silly plot. Because my first thought was to go with something like While youe Were Sleeping, which is a movie that I love, in which Peter Gallagher falls on the train tracks and, and is in a coma and Sandra Bullock is mistaken for his fiance by his family and then she falls in love with his brother. It's an extremely silly plot.

[Glen Weldon]

It's a hijinks ensue plot. Yes.

[Linda Holmes]

It is what I used to refer to as a hum through plot, which means you just gotta kind of hum to yourself through the story and not think about it too much. But I decided that what I really wanted to talk about was like genuinely great movies with plots that are silly and yet it's not like built around the idea that the plot is silly. It's not self aware about how silly the plot is. What I wanted to do is talk about movies I genuinely love, despite the fact that if you hear it is very silly. Okay, so my first choice is the Martian, which is from 2015, directed by Ridley Scott. And the screenplay is Drew Goddard. It's from this book by Andy Weir, which is also, by the way, wonderful. Yeah, this is the movie where Matt Damon is on a mission to Mars, a crewed mission to. And there is a sudden storm and the crew has to take off without him. So he is left on Mars all by himself. Now the idea, you know, first of all, we've got the Crew landing on Mars and functioning and all that is great. The thing that I love about this is that Andy Weir in the book and then in the movie, they do the same thing. There is a ton of science that is real.

[Glen Weldon]

Right, Right. That's why that surprises me that you went with this. But keep talking.

[Linda Holmes]

Okay. The science on a small level is enthrallingly genuine in many, many ways. I have a feeling an enormous amount of research went into this work. And so on a micro level, you believe it. Because on a micro level, it makes all the sense in the world. And yet when you pull back, it is a story of a guy who is left alone on Mars, which is a silly plot in a way, because I just find it very hard to believe anyone could actually survive that. Right. Because he survives for, like, years. He makes food, he plants potatoes, he figures out all of these things. The reason I love this movie so much is that on a micro level, it makes total sense. But on a macro level, it's a guy who's left alone on Mars, which is a foundationally, to me, silly idea. But because the movie is so good, I don't want this to seem like any kind of knock on the movie. Cause it isn't. I love this movie. It's one of my favorite movies.

[Glen Weldon]

Sure.

[Linda Holmes]

But if you pull back, the idea of being abandoned on Mars is kind of a silly plot. And the way they rescue him is kind of silly. It sounds silly. Do you know what I mean?

[Glen Weldon]

I guess. I guess I mean, like, it's kind of Robinson Crusoe on Mars. I get that. But this is such a great example of what we're talking about. Because, I mean, I was all in on this movie. And I think maybe I'm basing some of that on the fact that my memory of the book, my memory of this film was all in the ancillary materials about how it's all grounded in research and reality. And this is plausible. But when I try to think about this movie now, I just remember the poop potatoes. That's really all I remember about this movie. And the discussion of how that's actually plausible. I remember there being a lot of math in the movie. And unlike you, I wasn't caught up in that. Cause whenever characters start doing math in a movie, my eyes glaze over and my attention wanders.

[Linda Holmes]

Right, sure.

[Glen Weldon]

Because I always think, okay, this is the show your work part, and I just wanna flip to the back for the answer key. Right. I like process. I love process in movies. But when the process involves, like, Long division or cosines. I hate process. But that's so interesting to me because I guess you're right. Like somebody stranded alone on my. In that sense, you know, Castaway is silly, I suppose.

[Linda Holmes]

Castaway is silly.

[Glen Weldon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linda Holmes]

I was just trying to get my arms around maybe. What I love about a great movie with a silly plot is that it manages to make a silly plot into a story that's not silly. Right. The plot is silly, but the story, because, as you mentioned, because of the characters, because of the mood, because of the attitude. And I think in this case with the movie, the screenplay is very witty. I think the Matt Damon performance is very good and very witty also. And because of that, it's a silly plot, but it's not a silly story. If we can split that hair.

[Glen Weldon]

I like that. I like splitting that hair. I also like the 3 minutes of screen time that Donald Glover gets in that film.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, yes. He's wonderful in it.

[Glen Weldon]

He is wonderful in it. Okay, so that is the Martian. That is a great pick. I'm gonna go watch that again. I'm inspired to go watch that again. My pick is intentionally silly. It's fully silly. I went with a kids movie and a kid's fantasy movie, which is maybe a cop out here. It's exactly the opposite of what you're talking about. Because if we're defining silly to mean unlikely or absurd, then it's a kid's fantasy movie. That's kind of what they're for, I guess. But, Linda, there's kids fantasy movie, and there's this thing in which Don Knotts, wearing a straw hat and a bow tie and a pince. Nez, you know those glasses that rest on your nose, is staring into the water off Coney Island. And he starts intoning what turned out to be for no reason the film ever bothers to tell you why they turn out to be magic words. I wish. I wish I were a fish. There it is. There's your triggering action of the entire film. This is the 1964 film the Incredible Mr. Limpet. And look, they knew what they were doing. This film is based on a 1942 book by Theodore Pratt, which was just called Mr. Limpet. Now, Linda, you know this film, right?

[Linda Holmes]

I know of it. I'm not sure I've seen it.

[Glen Weldon]

Okay. Oh, good. I'm eager for this opportunity then. Because if I were to tell you, Linda Holmes, that Don Knotts plays a timid bookkeeper named Henry Limpett, who is husband to Bessie, played by the great Carol Cook and Carol Cook is playing Bessie as a kind of domineering and abrasive and unpleasant woman. Because it's a very common trope of the time, we're supposed to see poor Henry as what was then called a henpecked husband.

[Linda Holmes]

Henpecked, yeah.

[Glen Weldon]

Henry is a passionate lover of fish. Not in the Troy McClure sense, but at least not yet. But he is kind of an amateur marine biologist, right? He is obsessed with fish. Like, again, this was before the cultural ubiquity of nerds. He was kind of like the Ur nerd. He is certainly filling that vibe. So one day he sees a school of fish off a dock on Coney island, and instead of joining his wife and his best friend, who are having a picnic just a few feet away in this little happy cloud of heteronormativity, he instead longs for a life under Dassy. He is reverse Little Mermaiding it, basically. So he says his weird wish thing and then he falls into the water. Or does he jump? The film cuts away, is intentionally ambiguous on the score, and is promptly transformed into a cartoon fish. It's not because of any kind of powerful mutagens in the water off Coney island, because it's not that film. This film is. It happens because of whimsy. And I hear you asking Linda, what specific kind of fish does he turn into? Glenwell.

[Linda Holmes]

Yes. I was gonna ask.

[Glen Weldon]

There are corners of the Internet where this debate is still going. The consensus kind of resembles a tile fish, which is kind of like a grouper now. So what have we got so far? Don Knotts is playing A, a talking cartoon fish, B, who is still nearsighted, so he still needs those little pince nez. And C, he has for no reason the film bothers with a superpower now. He can produce a loud underwater roar, which he calls his thrum. Oh, also, he gets a grumpy crab friend. So they are really Little Mermaiding it in a big way.

[Linda Holmes]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Glen Weldon]

He also falls in love with a female fish whom he calls lady fish because, of course, she's a fish. And as she points out, she does not have the concept of names, right? So he names her because patriarchy. Also, the crab, by the way, is a male, has a name. He's Crusty. But the female fish, no. No names for her.

[Linda Holmes]

She's just lady fish.

[Glen Weldon]

She's just lady fish. So if I were to tell you, Linda Holmes, as I'm trying to do now, the Don Knotts plays a man who gets transformed into cartoon fish with a pince nez and a superpower and a cartoon fish girlfriend that he cheats on his land wife with.

[Linda Holmes]

I was just gonna say he's cheating on his wife with a fish.

[Glen Weldon]

Uh huh. You'd probably say, there's your movie. Right? Dianu? It is enough.

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah.

[Glen Weldon]

What more could there possibly be to this movie? Nothing to which I would say unto you. Nazis. Nazis. Linda Holmes. Don Knotts plays a man who gets transformed into a cartoon fish with a ponce nez and a superpower and a cartoon fish girlfriend he cheats on his land wife with and he fights Nazis.

[Linda Holmes]

Wow.

[Glen Weldon]

Because this film was made in 1964, but it is based on a 1942 novel by Theodore Pratt in which Henry limpet is what, 4F? Because of course he is. And he wants to fight the Nazis. So he uses his mysteriously manifesting cartoon fish superpower to swim up to Nazi U boats. He does his thrum and he attracts American torpedoes.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, sure.

[Glen Weldon]

And that's not all he requests for this service. A Navy lieutenant's commission and salary, which he has sent to Bessie. So.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, sure.

[Glen Weldon]

Not bad Right. Now to go back to this discussion. I mean, this plot is fantastic. It's even incredible, as one might say. But the studio knew exactly what it was doing. And here's how I know they knew exactly what they were doing. Here is a clip from the trailer of the film.

[Linda Holmes]

I think you're actually still alive. And I'm married to a fish.

[Glen Weldon]

Is that so terrible? Yes. Mr. Limpet is sure to be the most incredibly delightful movie about a man who turns into a fish that you'll see this year. See, they get it.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, funny.

[Glen Weldon]

They're on it. Right?

[Linda Holmes]

I get it. I get it. The thing that I love about this is that I went for a plot that is silly at its core.

[Glen Weldon]

Macro level.

[Linda Holmes]

But it is silly at its very basis. Yeah, but it is much less silly in its details.

[Glen Weldon]

Sure.

[Linda Holmes]

And you went for a plot that is particularly silly. The more details you consider.

[Glen Weldon]

Exactly.

[Linda Holmes]

Like, the more you consider the lady fish and the Nazis. You have like more and more and more and more silly. And I have. Yes, the details make sense. But when you go straight to the core of it, the idea of somebody being stranded alone on Mars is kind of a silly idea.

[Glen Weldon]

You have a conceptual silliness and I have a execution silliness. Like as you go further into Wikipedia page, you're like, wait, what? Wait, what? Wait, what?

[Linda Holmes]

Right. Exactly.

[Glen Weldon]

Absolutely.

[Linda Holmes]

Exactly.

[Glen Weldon]

So my pick is the incredible Mr. Limpet. Linda, what is your last pick and does it share your ethos? Your macro level silliness.

[Linda Holmes]

It does, but I think it's a little bit more of a compromise between detail silliness and macro silliness. Now, this one is. If you were offended that I chose the Martian because you think it's a knock on the movie to say it has a silly plot, people are really gonna be offended by this. But I. I repeat, not a knock on the movie. I chose Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which is a brilliant movie with, in my opinion, a very silly plot in a lot of ways. This is a 2004 Michel Gondry directed and Charlie Kaufman scripted story of these two people who have been in a relationship. And the foundational piece is first she decides and then he decides to erase their. There's a procedure you can go through to erase your memories of another person. And it has this very soulful, very sad, very moving idea that, you know, you have to sort of decide if a relationship turns bad or upsetting or ends badly, would you never have had it at all? That's really what it's about, right? And it has this enormously spiritual quality, I find. And it's all about the nature of love. And it is really one of, I think, the best movies, very specifically about the nature of love and the nature of relationships. But it is all built around this idea that scientists can come to your house while you are asleep and do a procedure on you while you are asleep that gradually erases your memory of another person.

[Glen Weldon]

Here at Lacuna, we have a safe.

[Linda Holmes]

Technique for the focused erasure of troubling memories.

[Glen Weldon]

Is there any risk of brain damage?

[Linda Holmes]

Technically, the procedure is brain damage, but.

[Glen Weldon]

It'S on a par with a night of heavy drinking. Nothing you'll miss.

[Linda Holmes]

That is a silly idea. If you heard that outside the context of this incredibly spiritual film. If you heard, like, oh, this is about these people who. They have a bad breakup and so a scientist comes to their house in the middle of the night and erases their memories of each other. It sounds very silly. So this one I chose because it's really, to me, an example of transcending, like a plot that sounds whimsical in a way, right. To make a film that is profound in a lot of ways. And so I think also it has details that are funny, right? Because you do have details about the scientists and how they do their work. But foundationally, it is such an example of how you take something that sounds like a very odd idea and make something brilliant and incredibly resonant.

[Glen Weldon]

To me, it's interesting that we approach this in such radically different ways because the word you're tossing out here, sad, spiritual, profound, nature of love. I would not find them in the same ballpark as silly. And yet you make the case for silly. Talk to me about the difference between a silly plot and a science fiction plot. Because to me, I put this into a box of, oh, well, I say this is a profound film, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's a science fiction film. So I just give it. I don't even question it.

[Linda Holmes]

That's interesting you're making such a good point. Because in a sense, a science fiction plot that is by its nature. I mean, there's a reason why they refer to this bucket as speculative fiction. Yes, sure, sure.

[Glen Weldon]

Exactly.

[Linda Holmes]

It is to imagine something that is not currently true. Right. It's one thing to have a science fiction film where, you know, like Alien, for example. Right. I can imagine. You know, an alien is a thing that I think a lot of people have thought about. Right. There could be. There could be aliens. That makes sense to me. And it doesn't sound like it would be a thing they would do on the Jetsons. You know what I mean? Like a menacing alien. But the thing that's fascinating about Eternal Sunshine to me is it sounds like something that would happen on the Jetsons. Right. Like, we can erase your memories of this bad vacation that you took or something like that. It is. It is an idea that could be handled anywhere from incredibly sort of goofy to this execution of it. I mean, in a way, when we say great movie with a silly plot, it has a. An internal tension. Because if the movie is great, then by definition, in a way, the plot isn't silly. Yeah, the plot is beautiful in its own way. Maybe not the plot of Mr. Limpet, but, you know. But it is, right? You talked about how this is about somebody trapped in a loveless marriage and, you know, finds a place to be accepted. And no matter how silly the plot, once it is part of a movie that you think really works and that you think is really moving, it sort of ceases to be a silly plot. But I think I thought about silliness in terms of, like, if you sit down to tell somebody what the movie is about, it sounds silly. You know what I mean?

[Glen Weldon]

Yeah, no, I get that. I get that. It's just such a fascinating divergence of approaches here. So that is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Great picks. And I think now when we do the call out, you know, we want to know what your favorite films with a silly plot Are I also want to know from folks how they're approaching it. Are they approaching it like silly in execution or are they approaching it like silly in concept, in theme? Maybe?

[Linda Holmes]

Because, I mean, you could say Star wars is silly.

[Glen Weldon]

Sure.

[Linda Holmes]

You could certainly say Indiana Jones.

[Glen Weldon]

Yep.

[Linda Holmes]

Basically everything Indiana Jones has ever done is in its way silly.

[Glen Weldon]

I mean, could you put whimsy in there? Could you substitute for your definition of silly here as it's working here? Would you substitute words like whimsy and fantastical or. Not quite.

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah, I mean, I think both of these, the plots for the two that I picked have whimsical elements. I mean, I think in a way, especially with the Martian, that's like what the appeal of it is. Right. Of course, is that it's this very simple, very kind of semi goofy idea of like, you know, I'm alone on Mars. Like, I mean, that's a thing that you would think of as a five year old. Right. I'm all alone on Mars. No one here but me. I'm going to run my own planet. I'm the king of Mars. And there are times when he talks in the narration about that kind of feeling and it's something you could think of as a little tiny kid. And that's what I love about it, you know?

[Glen Weldon]

Yeah, yeah. And certainly that's. This is a different topic. That's the power of superheroes. That's the power of fantasy science fiction. It's taking something rooted in reality and saying if. Well, we want to know not only what your favorite film with a silly plot is, but how do you define a film with a silly plot? Find [e-mail] PCHH that brings us to the end of our show. Linda Holmes, thank you so much for being here. I'm glad this wasn't just like a list. Right?

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah, me too. Me too.

[Glen Weldon]

I'm glad we got into this. Kind of had a conceptual back and forth.

[Linda Holmes]

Fascinating.

[Glen Weldon]

This episode was produced by Isabella Gomez Sarmiento and Romel Wood and edited by Mike Katzeff. Our supervising producer is Jessica Reedy. And hello. Come in. Provides our theme music. Thanks for listening to Pop Culture Happy hour from npr. I'm Glenn Weldon and we'll see you all tomorrow.

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