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Aisha Harris
So if you've been keeping up with HBO's addictive drama industry, you know it's never been afraid to wade in the muck. Financial muck. Ethical muck. A man child aristocrat aptly named Sir Henry Muck. The most recent season was especially messy as the paths of frenemies Harper and Yasmin erratically converged and diverged and the sordid parallels to real life headlines became pretty much impossible not to notice. So after that harrowing finale, we're taking it all in and wondering what just happened and where might the show go from here? I'm Aisha Harris and today we're talking about industry on Pop Culture Happy Hour from npr.
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Aisha Harris
Joining me today is Waylon Wong. She's the co host of NPR's Daily Economics podcast, the Indicator from Planet Money. Hello, Waylon. Welcome back.
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Waylon Wong
Hello. There's a hole in my bucket. Aisha.
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Aisha Harris
Ooh, yes. All the buckets.
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Waylon Wong
There's a hole in my bucket.
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Aisha Harris
Also with us is Sam Yellow Horse Kessler, a producer for NPR's Planet Money. Hello to you, Sam. Welcome back.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Hey, Arisha.
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Aisha Harris
Great to have you both. So here's where we are at with season four of industry. Harper Stern partnered with her old boss and mentor Eric Tao on an upstart investment firm. They're played by Maihala and Ken Leong.
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Commercial Announcer
Why are you being so sharp with me?
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Harper Stern (character voice)
Because this is not some recreational game or some lame extension of your retirement while you're floating around trying to rehab your life or, I don't know, cosplaying the roles that you have spent your life ignoring.
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Commercial Announcer
When the.
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Aisha Harris
Did I ever say I wanted it to be recreational?
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Do they really curse that much on the show?
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Aisha Harris
Oh, yes, they do. They absolutely do curse that much. Marisa Abella plays Yasmin. She settled into life with Sir Henry Muck, the tech aristocrat played by Kit Harrington. Henry's daddy issues and drug addiction, among many other things, quickly began to take a toll on their marriage. Please, Henry, please put your big boy clothes on, go downstairs and just, just try and face our public. Henry. We'll get into that now. Simultaneously, they merge their business interests. She managed to land Henry a CEO role at a fintech startup called Tender and also get herself a job as its head of communications. I keep wanting to call Tender Tinder. I know it's not, but that name. So every season tends to bring at least one new big bad into the fold. An ultra villain among a sea of villains. And it was Whitney Halberstrom, the CFO and co founder of Tender, who was slowly revealed to have exactly zero scruples of any kind. He's played by Max Minghella. And Harper and Eric uncovered some damning evidence about Tender and leapt at an opportunity to expose it and cash in, complicating Harper's relationship with Yasmin. This, of course, led to some pretty devastating consequences for everyone. Okay. Industry streaming on hbo, Max. And so much happened this season. So let's just get right into it. We're. Waylon, I'm gonna start with you. How are we feeling about where we are at now? This season was a very different beast from the previous three seasons. Every season, it kind of Morphs into something different. But this felt like a reset in a way. I think, in fact, the creators Mickey down and Conrad Kay have talked about it as a reset. So did this reset work for you? Did it feel fresh?
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Waylon Wong
Yeah, this is like the fast five of industry.
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Aisha Harris
I love that reference.
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Waylon Wong
You know, I really respect that. The big swing they took in this reset, you know, they really broadened out the world. Right. And so instead of being in this very insular world of finance or the trading floor, you know, they blew it wide open. And this season was kind of this, you know, talented Mr. Ripley meets Michael Clayton kind of paranoid conspiracy thriller. And so I do very much appreciate the ambition. I think as I'm processing this season, I am realizing that this more expansion, expansive world is not my favorite flavor of industry. I think I do prefer something a little smaller. I think it makes it more unique in that way when they stick to kind of the bread and butter finance stuff. So not all of the world broadening worked for me, but a lot of it did. I still had a ton of fun, and I do feel like I have a lot of trust in the showrunners, so I will follow them to, I don't know, outer space or wherever we go next. If we're using the Fast and the furious model here. I mean, I just really have a lot of fun with this show.
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Aisha Harris
Yeah, yeah. Outer space. The frozen tundra. Who knows where this could go next?
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
That's where Harper belongs. Yeah.
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Waylon Wong
In a car with Ludacris in outer space.
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Aisha Harris
I don't know about Harper, but maybe. Yes, but.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Well, that's where Eric Tao was walking. He never stopped. He just kept going north.
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Aisha Harris
He just kept going. He's still walking.
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Waylon Wong
Still walking.
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Aisha Harris
So, Sam, how about you? How are we feeling about this reset, as it were?
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Okay, so the question is, does the reset at work, or do I miss what industry used to be? And I think my answer is both and.
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Aisha Harris
Oh, oh, oh, love this. Love this.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
The thing of this season is that we're blowing up the format. We're outside of the bank. We're off the trading floor, and everyone's kind of fending for themselves. I am a little bit sad. Like, every season, I get a little bit more sad that we have lost that kind of core four of Gus, Robb, Harper, and Yasmine. But I think finagling that to turn to Yasmine and Harper is probably the right move. They made a lot of really good decisions this season to kind of ramp up the stakes. I take points away because it became something of A predictable show, sometimes overly dramatic, and the characters are very lived in. I didn't feel like there was any kind of massive twists or turns along the way. But it also doesn't feel cheap. It feels very real. And it's always incredibly entertaining to watch play out. The characters are just incredibly entertaining to watch in how predictable they are and their flaws and, you know, some of the lows that they sink to.
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Aisha Harris
You know, I think I sit somewhere where you both are living in that. There were so many things that I loved about this, and I do feel like the reset helped it feel different from the previous seasons, even though a lot of the same themes were being talked about. I really enjoyed how this show has sort of every season, as I've already mentioned, brings in its new kind of big bad. And, you know, in previous seasons, it was Jesse Blume, the character played by J. Duplass, who was the hedge fund manager who Harper was working with as a client when she was still at peerpoint. You also had, like, other figures, and I think that to expand beyond this, like, one financial institution and to show how it's incorporated and compromised with every other level of, like, the world of the economy. So you have the media aspect of it. You have the billionaire class part of it and the political part of it. And, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I know much, if anything, about British politics, but I did find it interesting to see the way that whole idea of follow the money, the money goes everywhere, and everyone is compromised. And I really like that. I think where it fell short for me. And maybe we can talk a little bit more about. This is sort of this Henry Muck situation here, which began in season three and then this season. I know there were a lot of people who praised the episode that was kind of contained where it was just about him kind of on the precipice of his 40th birthday and.
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Waylon Wong
Oh, with his ghost dad and stuff?
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Aisha Harris
Yes, with his ghost dad.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Wait, that was a ghost the whole time?
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Commercial Announcer
Oh, my God.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
That changes everything. Yeah.
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Aisha Harris
Wait, are you being serious, or did you.
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Commercial Announcer
Joking.
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Aisha Harris
Sorry. I don't want to.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Okay.
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Aisha Harris
Sorry.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Waylon knows I'm like this.
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Aisha Harris
I didn't want to assume. And the way it's shot, very Kubrickian. It actually kind of reminded me a little bit, and I think this was intentional. There's the song that's playing, which is the Barry Lyndon.
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Waylon Wong
Love Barry Lyndon.
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Aisha Harris
Barry Lyndon. But also A Clockwork Orange. Right. Because, like, they're playing music for the funeral of Queen Mary and That's a version of that appears in A Clockwork Orange. And, like, as soon as I heard it, I was like, what do I remember this from? Oh, it's a Clockwork Orange. And I understand what they're trying to do here. But also, we already know Henry is. He just seems like the character who I didn't learn that much about that I wouldn't expect. And I think that goes to your point, Sam. About, like, it did feel as though the Henry character was kind of stuck in a loop. But also, we brought in so many new characters. And I'm curious what you thought about some of these new characters, especially Whitney Halberstrom, but also characters like the Kiernan Shipka character, who she is playing Haley, who they call Calabasas in a kind of condescending way. And she's playing sort of well. She's revealed to be a sex worker escort who has been brought into the tender world. You know, how do we feel about these new characters that were added in?
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Waylon Wong
This is a really interesting question. Cause earlier, Aisha, you said that this season introduced a new big bad, and that, you know, a Big Bad of seasons past was Jesse Bloom, this hedge fund manager. And it's almost like, what is your definition of a big bad? Right? And what I really liked about industry in the Jesse Bloom season was that, like, is Jesse Blume like, like a bad guy? Is he, like, super evil? It's, like, not necessarily. Like, he's amoral. He's self interested. He is motivated by profit. He happened to make a ton of money off of, like, betting on Covid, which feels gross. And it fits into this gray area that finance inhabits of, like, profiting off of often, you know, like, misfortune and kind of, like, bad things happening to humanity. Now in season four, your big bad is Whitney, who is this sociopath with very little kind of ambiguity or almost like, nuance, like, from the jump. And then it turns out the big, big bad is Ferdinand, who works at Tender, and they're connected to the Kremlin. And it feels like too conventional in some ways. You know what I mean?
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Aisha Harris
Also, there are Nazis. Let's not forget they're a Nazis, and they were Nazis.
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Waylon Wong
And so I kind of prefer the morally gray big Bad, so to speak, where you could even put Harper and Yasmin in that category. Like, is everyone, like, a medium bad? A small to medium bad, you know? And that is, to me, a more interesting space to play in. And I think the fact that, like, Henry Muck, who is also, like, a medium Bad in that he is, like, super privileged and has not spent a lot of time questioning his class privilege and is, like, really messed up in lots of ways. You know, the way he just kind of gets ensnared with this, like, whole Russian plot feels, you know, maybe less compelling than if something else had happened to him vis a vis Whitney, you know?
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Yeah, I think they did. They made the right choice to kind of focus on these people who are more slightly in the gray area rather than the outright Nazis, even Max, I was interested to hear you say, like, that he was somewhat sinister because definitely from the beginning, I guess I didn't really know where to place him. And there was more of a sensation that he might just be as amoral as everyone else, but not outright psychopathic. And they do have an episode with him and Kit Harington's character where they kind of flesh out this, like, strange codependency. I like that it felt like an episode of I Love Dick where he's, like, writing him all these letters and, like, kind of showing that he's not just, like, he's not unfeeling. Like, he's not a psychopath in the truest sense.
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Aisha Harris
He's.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
But he does have a very complex kind of relationship with Henry Muck. I like that kind of, like, dance that they have going between them where you're not sure exactly how far it's going behind the scenes.
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Waylon Wong
I think I wanted more of that. Do you know what I mean? I feel like they made this turn where it was like, oh, Whitney is doing all this creepy stuff to Henry, and I wish they had maybe had a little bit more like, cat and mouse where, oh, now you think maybe Henry's playing Whitney or, like, you're not quite sure where these men stand with each other. Instead, you get, you know, Whitney carrying a bouquet of flowers, walking in on Henry in the shower when he's singing Gilbert and Sullivan. That's, like, him bonkers. This time I'm just like, okay, okay.
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Aisha Harris
I wanted more of that, like, single white female stuff going on, too. Like, it did really feel like this season was playing with a lot of different genres. Like, Waylon, you already mentioned sort of the Michael Clayton and the sort of intrigue in that way. And then you also have occasionally kind of like, a stalkery thriller thing. I also just, like, could not help but notice that, you know, this was a season where not to say that. So Conrad, Kay and Mickey down, the creators have very obviously and directly referenced various things from real life. Right. They've talked about this. In interviews as of this taping, the creators haven't acknowledged that they drew inspiration from Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. But Marisa Abela, who plays Yasmin, has acknowledged there are parallels between her character and Maxwell in an interview she did with our pal Roxanna Hadati over at Vulture. But I noticed in season three that the whole subplot with Yaz and her father, Charles, who was played by Adam Levy, where, you know, they have that mystery around his death off the yacht, but that whole thing felt very similar to the way Ghislaine Maxwell's father died. He died presumably off of a yacht as well. And so I was like, hmm, this is interesting.
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Waylon Wong
Down to the name of the yacht.
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Aisha Harris
Oh, right, yes, yes, yes. What was the name of the yacht? I don't even remember what they did.
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Waylon Wong
Well, the yacht in industry is named Lady Yasmin, and in real life, the yacht lady and then one of the daughters.
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Aisha Harris
Okay, right. So again, you can see the parallels. And then, of course, by the end of this season, season four, we see that Yaz has kind of become very similar to what we know about Ghislaine Maxwell. And of course, this is Ghislaine Maxwell, who was a co conspirator along with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, and who is currently serving a 20 year prison sentence for sex trafficking. And we see that she's. Yaz has been going back and forth and starts off, like, appalled at knowing that her father paid off women and made them sign NDAs for inappropriate relationships with his employees. And now she has just gone full the other direction and is working with the Hayley character, played by Kiernan Shipka, to bring in more women to make deals and whatnot. It's both, like, I appreciate these details, and at the same time, I wonder, you know, how much of this do I want to see continue into season five? Because it's so bleak. And not that the show was never not bleak, but it does feel as though, I wonder, like, what the end of the road will be for Yaz and, like, where can we possibly go from here? Like, she's kind of completed her villain arc, I think. Whereas with Harper, I'm a little bit more curious to see where she goes from here, especially without Eric.
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Waylon Wong
Yeah, I feel like the show, to me, especially this season, is strongest when it's looking at the Harper Yasmin relationship, which, you know, is all over the place. It's up, it's down. They're working at cross purposes, they're teaming up. They love each Other. They hate each other. I find it really compelling, that relationship and the way they talk to each other is really honest. It's honest in a way that they are never that honest with their romantic partners, you know, so it's kind of like this is like, the greatest romance in each of their lives is this, like, this friendship between them. So I feel like, for me, it is also really hard to see the Yasmin arc, the way it ends at the end of the season. And I am clinging to that scene we get in the other episode where Yasmin and Harper go out. They're like, let's just go out. And then they have this, like, really fun night on the town and end just, like, sitting, smoking a cigarette contentedly with each other. And I'm like, that's girlhood. You know, even though I never did anything like that in my girlhood.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
But you're like, nothing's gonna change this.
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Aisha Harris
Yeah.
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Waylon Wong
And so I'm clinging to that. I'm like, I'm hoping that wasn't some kind of valedictory that will look back on with, you know, grief that that never happened again. I'm hoping they get back to some version of that. And I feel like Harper's kind of moral stand at the end of this season will be something that kind of gets picked up on as a threat next season. And maybe she'll be the one to lead Yasmine out of this dark place.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Yeah, it does feel like they're doing a thing that, like, Fleabag did where over time, it kind of whittles down to, like, what the core relationship of the show is. And it seems that they've decided that that's Harper and Yasmin.
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Aisha Harris
Yeah, I mean, I understand, and I, to some extent that, yes, the Yaz and Harper relationship is maybe the core part of it, but I still. I have to pour one out for her relationship, Harper's relationship with Eric, because, I mean, it's not clear whether or not Eric might come back. They've, you know, since that episode aired, you know, they've been very coy about whether or not Ken Leung is gonna come back. But I just love the dynamic of the relationship and the fact that, like, a. It never got sexual as far as I can remember. Like, there was never any, like, will they or won't they? It always had more of a, like, father, daughter, or just, like, straight up mentor mentee situation. And I so grateful when shows are able to do that because they're both outsiders. Right. They're both Americans in this world. They're both people of color. I think the fact that, like, we don't really know too much about certain characters except what we need to know. And I think this season was really about Eric and Harper. Eric trying to get closer to Harper because he's realizing he's lost any chance, real chance, with his own daughters. And he's just like, okay, now I'm gonna throw this onto you. And Harper's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And the scene when she reveals that she just found out her mother died was, like, one of the best things I've seen on this show and on any show.
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Harper Stern (character voice)
My mom died. My brother called me from New York yesterday to say there'd been an accident. She just went overnight.
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Commercial Announcer
Christ. I'm sorry. You can talk about it to me.
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Harper Stern (character voice)
That's the point. Like, I don't know what to say. I don't even know how to feel.
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Aisha Harris
I love that. And I think if it doesn't continue into season five in any way, that is something I'm gonna miss.
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Waylon Wong
You know, I will miss that, too. I wanted to say on the character of Eric and on Ken Leong's performance, like, to me, Eric Tao is the most complex, interesting, Asian American man I have ever seen on television. I have never seen an Asian American male character like this. I mean, I can't think of any other example. I think he's so singular. He's so well written and layered and interesting. And I do really love the theme that you picked up on Aisha, this idea of Eric and Harper being kind of this, like, surgeon father, daughter duo who are both Americans navigating their way through a very nuanced class system and a system of old and new money in the uk. I feel like that was, like, a huge theme of this season and has been a through line throughout the whole show. And I was thinking about how you see a glimpse of Eric's teenage daughter, the one that gets kicked out of boarding school. And I remember when you see her talk, she speaks with a British accent. And I thought to myself, oh, that's really interesting, because if Eric's goal, subconsciously or not, was to assimilate into the upper ranks of British society, or as far as you can go without being in the British peerage, you know, as far as an American can go in that world, then it's kind of like he did it because his daughter has a British accent, you know, but he doesn't have a relationship with that daughter. And I thought that was really poignant. Yeah, I was Also thinking about how Robert and Gus, they escaped this evil world by coming to Silicon Valley. Like these two Brits, they ended up coming to the US and then they're portrayed as kind of having gotten their happy endings in the US In Silicon Valley. And I'm like, this show is, like, doing some really interesting stuff about, like, the interplay between America and the UK and what it means to have money and class status.
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Aisha Harris
Yeah, of course, we should be clear that, like, Robert and Gus were from the previous seasons. Gus was played by David Johnson and Robert was played by Harry Laughy. They started out with Harper and Yaz as sort of the upstarts at peerpoint. And I think what the show knows how to do well is sort of like, let characters leave. I mean, obviously, I'm sure they're scheduling things and all that stuff, like production things that we don't even know about. But it also seems to understand that once a character has served its purpose or once they're no longer integral to the plot, they can just leave and it's fine. And we hear a little bit, if you listen closely, we might learn about what's happened to them from other characters talking about it. But I just think it's really interesting, and it's interesting to see that we also brought in, you know, I do want to really briefly talk about, you know, the Sweet Pea, and I love her Kwabina subplot. Kwabina played by Taheeb Jimmo, and Sweet Pea is played by Miriam Pechy. And they're kind of like the underlings of the Sterntau little upstart firm. And they are the ones who actually go out and get most of the evidence, you know, And I found that really interesting, too.
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Waylon Wong
Yeah, they do more shoe leather reporting than Jim Dyker, the journalist, actually does.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
He didn't get a chance, to be fair.
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Waylon Wong
I don't know if he would have made it, though. He was really in rough shape.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
I don't know if Vin Digest had a travel budget for him set aside, given everything that happened.
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Aisha Harris
Oh, poor Jim Diker. Charlie Heaton, who I was like, is this Harry Styles? I'm sure he gets it all the time, but I really thought it was Harry Styles for a minute. They look so much alike. Yeah. That whole subplot was also really fascinating to me because, again, it's bringing in the media aspect of the way all this works. And given how the real world we've seen how journalists can kind of get themselves embedded into things in ways that are not quite ethical. And he certainly does and yeah, just the way that it all intersects. It's just overall, I really enjoyed this season. I think.
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Waylon Wong
I think they were also doing a thing this season where it's like Henry. You actually see him with a pretty happy ending, right? He's on this rowboat, you know, catching fish with his uncle, and all seems right in the world. He's protected, he's back in his little cocoon. Henry gets like, you know, what is basically the best possible ending. He's not in an orange jumpsuit. He's not dead, you know, And I feel like it's the show saying that, like, if you come from a certain social class and you have a certain status, you still prevail in this way. Whereas Rishi, who had all this money, who married into a white upper class family in Britain, was not able to hang on to any of that and in fact was given, like, a terrible. A terrible ending, you know, So I think it's a very bleak read of what, you know, upward mobility and what you're able to do.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
I mean, Henry does have that moment with Whitney where he is like, I am not going to be like you. I am going to lean back on my class.
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Waylon Wong
He said, I would rather die as me than run as you or something. Which is a pretty damn thing to say.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
And that's exactly what he does. And it turns out he made this, like, literally the best choice in the show so far.
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Waylon Wong
His only.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
His first good choice, his first good decision.
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Waylon Wong
Henry Muck.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Yeah.
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Aisha Harris
Literally. Yes, yes. All the muck is coming. Coming up. I do think Harper to some extent is sort of the opposite, where, you know, she's obviously coming from really, really nothing and having faked her transcripts and she's still somehow being a black woman able to come out on top. She is so resilient in ways that are that boggle my mind. But also, I'm just like, I'm here for it. I love seeing a black woman baddie.
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Waylon Wong
I think she's a master compartmentalizer.
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Aisha Harris
Oh, yes, yes. As we know, because of her mommy issues and her brother issues and all those things that they only hint at.
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Waylon Wong
I did like when she says to Kwabina, you're like the only other black person I know and hang out with here, even though there's really nothing to their relationship. She's like, well, it's nice to have you around.
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Aisha Harris
It's very real. I get it, I get it. I've been in those situations before. Well, we want to know what you think about season four of Industry. Find us@facebook.com PCHH we didn't even get to talk about the I want to dance with somebody the little homestead moment, which was just like so creepy yet.
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Waylon Wong
So I'll just tell you, Aisha, when we get off this, and then I'll just sing that to you in a creepy, whispery voice.
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Aisha Harris
I love it. That's my ASMR right there. And that brings us to the end of our show. Waylon Wong, Sam, Yellow Horse Kelly, thanks so much for being here. This was so fun.
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Sam Yellow Horse Kessler
Thanks so much, Aisha.
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Waylon Wong
See you for season five. Thank you.
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Aisha Harris
Season five, baby. Season five last and maybe the best. Who knows?
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Waylon Wong
Five seasons and a movie.
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Aisha Harris
This episode was produced by Mike Katsif and Liz Metzger and edited by our showrunner, Jessica Reedy. Hello. Come in. Provides our theme music. Thanks so much for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from npr. I'm Ayesha Harris and we'll see you you all next time.
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