No Good Deed

Summary

Pop Culture Happy Hour: "No Good Deed" Episode Summary

Introduction

In the December 16, 2024 episode of NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour, host Linda Holmes, along with guest panelists Eric Deggans, NPR's TV critic, and Candice Lim, co-host of Slate's I See Why Am I podcast and former Pop Culture Happy Hour producer, delve into the newly released Netflix dark comedy series, No Good Deed. The discussion offers a comprehensive analysis of the show’s narrative, performances, and overall impact within the current landscape of ensemble TV dramas.

Plot Overview

No Good Deed, created by Liz Feldman, presents a darkly comedic narrative centered around the complexities of selling a home intertwined with personal tragedies and hidden secrets. The ensemble cast includes Ray Romano, Lisa Kudrow, Dennis Leary, Linda Cardellini, Luke Wilson, Teyana Paris, Abbie Jacobson, and OT Fag Benlay, among others.

Linda Holmes introduces the series by highlighting its multifaceted storyline:

"In the new Netflix ensemble dark comedy No Good Deed, the lives of several couples and families get tangled up in the sale of a home that holds a secret... who will ultimately end up with the house, maybe the least of the story's important questions."
— Linda Holmes [04:00]

The central plot revolves around Paul and Lydia (Ray Romano and Lisa Kudrow), a couple dealing with the aftermath of their son's death while trying to sell their cherished home. Complications arise with Paul's brother Mikey (Dennis Leary) escaping prison, bringing his own agenda into the mix. The show also explores the dynamics of various potential buyers, each bringing their unique stories and secrets into the narrative.

Host Opinions

Candice Lim's Perspective

Candice Lim expresses a favorable view of No Good Deed, particularly appreciating it as a suitable holiday watch for families:

"Bottom Line Vibes are good. I really like this show. I think it is a very good holiday watch with the family because there's nothing really like controversial or scandalous, AKA no sex scenes."
— Candice Lim [05:30]

She commends the show's ability to maintain audience engagement through cliffhangers and likens its feel to other popular series like The Traitors and Grace and Frankie. Candice emphasizes the strength of the ensemble cast, noting that each actor brings a distinct appeal that can attract different viewers:

"Putting together four couples with chemistry, like the ones they have in the show is hard... the cast surprised me... I think this is technically a thriller, so they really test your patience. But it worked on me."
— Candice Lim [06:10]

She also praises the show's premise of centering around real estate as a unifying element that effectively ties diverse storylines together:

"Centering the show around real estate... buying one house... when you buy a house, you're not buying the house. What you're buying is the kitchen to cook for your future family... there's something really interesting about the way this show kind of portrays that."
— Candice Lim [16:24]

Eric Deggans' Perspective

Contrastingly, Eric Deggans offers a more critical take on the series. He points out that while the show boasts a strong cast, it suffers from being overstuffed with multiple plotlines that detract from a cohesive narrative:

"It is really a show about a death and how a bunch of people deal with that death... a lot of cursing and there's also sex jokes... it's packed with storylines, it is packed with characters... it felt like just when we're getting to something, hey, we're on to the next."
— Eric Deggans [07:05]

Eric acknowledges the strong performances, particularly praising Ray Romano's nuanced portrayal:

"Ray Romano is always, I think, an entirely underappreciated actor... he handles dramatic and comedy and everything in between really well... he is excellent in this."
— Eric Deggans [08:19]

However, he criticizes the show's structural ambition, suggesting that the multitude of characters and storylines leads to a fragmented viewing experience:

"This is a show that is packed with storylines, it is packed with characters, it is packed with different ideas... if this had just been a little more focused, then we could really dig into one part of it and really have that sort of fleshed out."
— Eric Deggans [19:23]

Strengths

1. Ensemble Cast Performance: Both hosts acknowledge the impressive performances from the diverse cast. Ray Romano's ability to balance comedy and drama is particularly highlighted by Eric Deggans.

   "Ray Romano is always, I think, an entirely underappreciated actor... he is excellent in this."
   — Eric Deggans [08:19]

2. Central Premise: Candice Lim praises the show's focus on real estate as a strong premise that effectively interweaves multiple storylines, making it more engaging than other ensemble shows.

   "Centering the show around real estate... there's something really interesting about the way this show kind of portrays that."
   — Candice Lim [16:24]

3. Emotional Depth: The exploration of themes like grief, family dynamics, and personal secrets adds emotional layers to the comedic elements, providing depth to the narrative.

Criticisms

1. Overstuffed Narrative: Eric Deggans criticizes the show's attempt to juggle too many plotlines and characters, leading to a lack of focus and coherence.

   "It felt like just when we're getting to something, hey, we're on to the next. We're onto the other storyline."
   — Eric Deggans [19:23]

2. Tone Inconsistencies: The balancing act between dark comedy and serious drama sometimes results in tonal inconsistencies, which can be jarring for viewers.

   "You're in the comedy, and then something really dramatic happens that might be a little outlandish."
   — Eric Deggans [12:20]

3. Character Development: The necessity to provide substantial roles for a large ensemble cast may lead to underdeveloped characters and rushed story arcs.

Conclusion

No Good Deed emerges as a complex addition to Netflix's repertoire of ensemble dramas, praised for its strong cast performances and intriguing central premise. While Candice Lim finds it a rewarding watch with its layered storytelling and character interactions, Eric Deggans feels the show falls short due to its overambitious narrative structure and tonal shifts. The episode concludes with Linda Holmes acknowledging both perspectives, suggesting that fans of the cast and the premise might find the series worthwhile despite its flaws.

"I think the advantage of a show that is fundamentally 4ish hours long to watch the entire thing is if you really like Ray Romano or Lisa Kudrow or Abbie Jacobson, I think it's worth your time to check it out."
— Linda Holmes [19:57]

Listeners are encouraged to share their thoughts on No Good Deed via Facebook at PCHH, continuing the conversation beyond the episode.

Notable Quotes

• “Bottom Line Vibes are good. I really like this show.”
  — Candice Lim [05:30]

• “Ray Romano is always, I think, an entirely underappreciated actor... he is excellent in this.”
  — Eric Deggans [08:19]

• “It was pulling me out some of the bigger swings that the story takes and making me sort of very aware of what she was doing.”
  — Eric Deggans [12:53]

• “Centering the show around real estate... when you buy a house, you're not buying the house. What you're buying is the kitchen to cook for your future family.”
  — Candice Lim [16:24]

Final Thoughts

The episode of Pop Culture Happy Hour offers a balanced exploration of No Good Deed, presenting diverse viewpoints that highlight both the strengths and weaknesses of the series. Whether viewers are drawn by the stellar cast or intrigued by the intertwined narratives, the discussion provides valuable insights to help decide if No Good Deed aligns with their viewing preferences.

Transcript

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[Linda Holmes]

Nobody ever said the housing market was easy. In the new Netflix ensemble dark comedy no Good Deed, the lives of several couples and families get tangled up in the sale of a home that holds a secret. The cast includes Ray Romano, Lisa Kudrow, Dennis Leary, Linda Cardellini, Luke Wilson, Teyana Paris, Abbie Jacobson and, believe it or not, a whole lot of other people. And who will ultimately end up with the house, maybe the least of the story's important questions. I'm Linda Holmes and today we're talking about no Good Deed on Pop Culture Happy Hour from npr.

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[Linda Holmes]

Me today is NPR's TV critic, Eric Deggans. Hey, Eric. Welcome back.

[Eric Deggans]

Thanks for having me.

[Linda Holmes]

Also with us is the co host of Slate's I See why Am I podcast and former We Always say Pop Culture Happy Hour producer Candice Lim. Hey, Candace.

[Candice Lim]

Hello.

[Linda Holmes]

So no Good Deed is a dark comedy series. It was created by Liz Feldman. You might remember her previous series, Dead to Me. And if you do, this has a kind of a similar feel in that it's sometimes quite funny. But it also has big helpings of pain and disaster. Ray Romano and Lisa Kudrow play Paul and Lydia, a couple preparing to sell their very beautiful house while also recovering from the death of their son. Just make sure we find the right buyers who get how special this house is. How special you made it. Of course, on top of that, Paul's brother Mikey is out of prison and has some kind of agenda. He's played by Dennis Leary. Their realtor, played by the very funny Matt Rogers, is trying to work on a few potential buyers. Carla and Dennis, played by Tiana Paris and OT Feg Benlay, are a couple about to have a baby under the watchful eye of Dennis. Mom.

[Eric Deggans]

Oh, my gosh.

[Candice Lim]

Look at these wood beams. They're original to the house, babe.

[Eric Deggans]

You can tell. No, you could tell because you're smart, because you're my sex little architect.

[Linda Holmes]

Leslie and Sarah, played by Abbie Jacobson and Poppy Liu, have recently abandoned their IVF efforts and are interested in a beautiful place to start over. How many times have we walked past this house? So many times. Somehow even prettier inside.

[Candice Lim]

Yeah.

[Linda Holmes]

The sale of the house has also caught the attention of Paul and Lydia's neighbors, JD And Margo, played by Luke Wil, Linda Cardellini. JD Is an actor and Margot is your basic spoiled Hollywood nightmare wife with secrets of her own. What if we moved across the street? I mean, you've always loved that house, even after everything that happened. And Harper could stay in her same school.

[Candice Lim]

As if you even know where Harper goes to school.

[Linda Holmes]

Of course I do. As the series unfolds, all these people face down secrets and resentments, and Paul and Lydia try to repair the damage that their son's death and their handling of it has done to their family. There's a lot packed into this show. I'm sure it sounds like it's all over the place when you hear it described. Maybe it is a little bit all over the place. No Good Deed is streaming now on Netflix. Candace, I'm going to start with you. What's your sort Of Bottom Line Vibe on this show.

[Candice Lim]

Bottom Line Vibes are good. I really like this show. I think it is a very good holiday watch with the family because there's nothing really like controversial or scandalous, AKA no sex scenes. Dark.

[Linda Holmes]

No dark.

[Candice Lim]

And I think this show is also so streaming because almost every episode ends on a cliffhanger. It's very like the traitors vibes, and sometimes it kind of feels like a peacock show. But I think that after like a decade of Netflix shows, people are quite familiar with the look of this show, the sheen of it, which is kind of dead to me. I sometimes get like, Grace and Frankie vibes to it where it's like, you know, this is a set and there is a soap opera ness to the dialogue sometimes.

[Linda Holmes]

Well, their shows have a look.

[Candice Lim]

There is a look. And I think at the end of the day, the show is actually quite, quite good at having multiple entry points. And by that I mean the cast. Because I kind of feel like everyone has one person that they watched a show for. For me, it was Matt Rogers, because I'm a reader first, Pelvis is second, and I thought he ate well.

[Eric Deggans]

There's a reason that buyers and sellers don't meet.

[Candice Lim]

Are you going to tell me the reason?

[Eric Deggans]

No, I just want you to go.

[Candice Lim]

I would say a lot of the cast surprised me. I thought ot fag Ben Lay, Poppy Liu was really great. I actually don't know them very well, but this really turned me onto them. And at the end of the day, I think this is technically a thriller, so they really test your patience. But it worked on me. And I've been to this in, like, one weekend, which is funny because it's, like, one of the most popular activities to do on the weekend, Go to an open house.

[Linda Holmes]

That's true. That's true. All right, Eric, how about you? Bottom Line Vibe on this show, I.

[Eric Deggans]

Was much more conflicted and enjoyed this a lot less. I'll be honest. You may think it's about a bunch of people trying to buy a house. It is really a show about a death and how a bunch of people deal with that death. So if you're thinking about it as a holiday experience, you know, know that there is something pretty serious and tragic at the heart of this story. There's also a lot of cursing and there's also sex jokes. So if you're sitting down to watch it with your family and there's young kids in the room, I would say be very careful about that. But on top of all of that, I think this show is an example of something that we've seen in streaming where they either put too little in the show because they want people to watch as many episodes as possible, or they put too much in the series because they're afraid that people will get disinterested. And this is a show that is packed with storylines, it is packed with characters, it is packed with different ideas about even what the show is about sometimes. It's about the lies that you tell your partners and the people you're related to and the people that you care about. On another level, it's about how a tragedy can ruin a family and how they might come back from it. On another level, it's about all the weird people that come into your house when you're trying to sell it. There's a whole bunch of stuff, and there's a bunch of really great performances here. Ray Romano is always, I think, an entirely underappreciated actor. This is a guy who handles dramatic and comedy and everything in between really well. And he covers it up with this sort of deadpan, I don't know what I'm doing here kind of thing, you know? He is excellent in this.

[Unknown]

What are you laughing, boys? You laughing at me?

[Linda Holmes]

No.

[Unknown]

What's the matter? Me shrieking like a little girl? That doesn't turn you on?

[Candice Lim]

I feel like there's no good way to answer that.

[Eric Deggans]

You know, everyone is excellent in this, but in the end, it took me two or three tries to get through it all.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, interesting. Yeah. I think I come down sort of more in the Candace column, but for some of the Eric reasons, in the sense that I think that I certainly found it to be shaggy and a little bit all over the place. However, I think the performances kind of kept me plugged into it. That is Ray Romano, who I think is great in this. Lisa Cooder, I think is very good in this. Luke Wilson and Linda Cardellini are mostly called upon to be comic, much more than most of the other folks. I think they're very good. Please, I'm begging you, don't come so I can't live without you.

[Eric Deggans]

Well, darling, that Bronco out there, it.

[Linda Holmes]

Ain'T gonna ride itself. What about this Bronco? Like Candace, I also enjoyed Poppy Leo. I think that her relationship with Abbie Jacobson. Lovely. Enjoyed it.

[Candice Lim]

Such a family host, don't you think?

[Linda Holmes]

Just because we don't have kids does not mean we're not a family. And I really enjoyed, you know, I just saw OT Fegbenle in the Presumed Innocent adaptation doing kind of very dramatic and effective and kind of quirky work in that show. In this, he's a much more sort of openly comedic guy who's still a little bit under the thumb of his mother, who, by the way, is played by the great Anna Maria Horsford, who I was so happy to see in this.

[Candice Lim]

Do you two ever quit it?

[Linda Holmes]

I mean, you're making everyone uncomfortable. We're newlyweds, Ma.

[Eric Deggans]

We're supposed to be lovey dovey. Is it bad that she reminds me of my mom a little bit?

[Linda Holmes]

I don't think it's bad. I think she's supposed to remind a lot of people of their moms, honestly. And I think his dynamic with Teyana Paris is very nice. I liked that story. And I did keep coming back to kind of caring about this marriage between Kudrow and Romano and this, like, weird. I'm not a big Dennis Leary guy, but the use of him in this, I think, is wisely kind of limited. He sort of flits in and creates chaos and then he flits back out for a while. He's not. He's not in it all the time.

[Unknown]

How you been? How was prison? Make any nice friends?

[Linda Holmes]

Nah. Most of the other white guys were skinheads, so I spent the bulk of my time in my cell, which you would have known if you ever came to visit me. We made mention of this, but I think Matt Rogers is having such a good time in this, in getting to play kind of a bitchy realtor. He' like playing somebody who would be selling real estate on Bravo.

[Eric Deggans]

Yeah, well, because I'm a gay realtor in la, I must know where to get drugs. No, no, I am not a stereotype.

[Unknown]

Course not. Of course not.

[Eric Deggans]

I am a person.

[Unknown]

I. I'm sorry, I just. I just assume because I. I see you sniff a lot.

[Eric Deggans]

That's cause I have allergies. Okay. We're in the middle of a super bloom.

[Linda Holmes]

My point is, I think because of the performances, I pretty easily overlooked the fact that it is overstuffed, which I definitely do not disagree with. I'm curious what you guys thought about the general kind of Liz Feldman tonal thing, which is trying to have a certain amount of like, farcical comedy going on, while there's also a lot of very heavy stuff going on because it's the same thing that happened in Dead to Me.

[Eric Deggans]

I guess what I would say is I thought it worked better and Dead to Me.

[Linda Holmes]

And that is a smaller show. Like, that's mostly about the Linda Cardellini and Christina Applegate relationship.

[Eric Deggans]

Exactly. And I do think that maybe that was one thing that I had a problem with, was that, you know, you're in the comedy, and then something really dramatic happens that might be a little outlandish, and then you sort of go, what was that? And, you know, and then you have to wrap your brain around that thing that just happened. Like, a number of outlandish things happened during the course of this show, any one of which could have been a show by itself.

[Linda Holmes]

Sure.

[Eric Deggans]

It was pulling me out some of the bigger swings that the story takes and making me sort of very aware of what she was doing. Much of the time I was watching this, I was wishing it was just 25% better.

[Candice Lim]

I mean, I wanna jump in real quick because I think that there's kind of two things going on here. The first is just kind of like the Liz Feldman vibe, the tone. She did say that this show is kind of in the same universe as dead to me. So that's one barrier. I actually want to ask you guys, how do you think this ranks among the ensemble shows of the year? Because I think the show is at least better than the Perfect Couple, which is also a Netflix show starring Nicole Kidman, that, like, I really hated that show. But I do think that, like, it is harder than maybe we think to do crisscrossing lines of that, and a lot of that is up to the casting. So, like, putting together four couples with chemistry, like the ones they have in the show is hard. And then letting them kind of, like, crisscross with each other. I'm thinking of, like, Matt Rogers and Ray Romano having, like, these whole scenes, just the two of them. I thought that was really sweet, and it worked for me, I think.

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah. You know, I think one thing that Netflix in particular is experimenting with is exactly as you say, Candace, these kind of big ensembles where there's sort of somebody for everybody. Right. And that's how the Perfect Couple was. You had your Nicole Kidman, you had your Liev Schreiber, you had your Eve Hewson and Megan Fahey. Yeah. A little bit of everybody. Right. And you throw a big ensemble, a story. And from a logistical perspective, I have to assume that one of the advantages is that no one of those people that you've cast has to work all the time. Like, the whole time. They've just rounded up this very big kind of crowd of people in terms of where it ranks. It's interesting because I liked the Perfect Couple. Candace. I. We did not get into a throwdown about the Perfect Couple over. I mean, I liked it as what it was.

[Candice Lim]

Right, right, right.

[Eric Deggans]

And I. You know, I hate to be the Grinch here because I'm also somebody who didn't like the Purple couple, but.

[Candice Lim]

Oh, thank you, Eric.

[Linda Holmes]

Oh, that's okay. Listen, I'm in the minority, and I.

[Eric Deggans]

Can'T really defend, but I'm also going to be a little cynical about the structure of the show and say that when you hire Ray Romano and Lisa Kudrow and Dennis Leary and OT Fag Bentley and Luke Wilson, they better have something to do. Right. So they all have to have substantive stuff to do in this show, which then again, creates a situation where you have a bunch of different plot lines because you have to service all these different characters and make sure that every one of these name actors who could be in a different show of their own probably make sure that they all have enough to do. We get a lot of table setting. Just who are these people and what do they want? And how does that fit into this larger narrative? And I will admit that in the beginning, I didn't know much about the show, so I thought it was going to be about, hey, when you go to sell your home in la, you get all these crazy people coming in your house. And I was not down for eight episodes of that, so it took a couple of episodes for me to even realize, okay, well, this is about something else. And what I like about the show is that at its heart, it really is about how you communicate with the people that you care about in your life and how corrosive lies can be when they're a part of that communication and how tragedy can atomize a family if it gets wrapped up in lies and people not having the courage to be honest with each other about things.

[Candice Lim]

Mm. Well, I think, Eric, unfortunately, you are not selling Sunset Pill like some of us, because I have to say, I love that this show has a strong premise. I think that's one thing that I feel like is missing from the Perfect Couple or all these other, like, ensemble shows. I feel like Peacock does this a lot. I think that centering the show around real estate and, like, literally buying one house does kind of gravitate everyone towards the center that I really enjoy. Because I just think about the fact that buying a house is always, never about buying a house, both in life and TV shows. The discrepancy when it comes to real estate is that supply will never equal demand. You have one house, you really only need one buyer. And here are five. Five people asking over. And I think that there is something really interesting about the way this show kind of portrays that, which is that when you buy a house, you're not buying the house. What you're buying is the kitchen to cook for your future family. You want the five bedrooms to house the kids you haven't even, like, thought about yet. You want the yard for the dog that hasn't even been rescued. And I think in that way, one person from each couple has like a one on one with Lydia or Paul and they do this thing where they, like, draw you in emotionally and they're like, yeah, like, there's this, like, void I want to fill in my life. And I just really am seeking that for myself. And they draw them in and then they hit them with like, I'm about.

[Eric Deggans]

To have a son.

[Unknown]

Congrats. Yeah. Good for you. That's great.

[Capital One]

I can't tell you what it would mean to me to be able to raise him in this house for as long as I have to raise him.

[Unknown]

I appreciate that.

[Candice Lim]

It's like hunting for a job. You will say anything you can to convince the person across the room that you are the one. You're the only one.

[Eric Deggans]

And.

[Candice Lim]

And that's why I kind of like what this show did, because it showed, like, this perfect, like, interesting octagon of everyone coming for the same thing with so, so many different weird tactics. And I kind of like seeing it from the buyer side as well. I thought that was kind of interesting.

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah. So we wrote you a letter just about how much we love your house. Yeah. And we're willing to go over asking, oh, really? How much? Over.

[Eric Deggans]

Okay. Maybe I've just been traumatized because I've gone through that process a few times and I'm not sure I wanna relive it by watching it on tv.

[Candice Lim]

That's true. That's true.

[Linda Holmes]

I completely get that. And I think, Candace, what my reaction to what you're saying is that I also think it's really promising to make a house the center of a bunch of different stories. Right. I would have loved to see a little more time spent on those things. And again, maybe this is just a function of what we've been talking about, which is that there's just a whole lot to do here. There's eight episodes. They're more in the half hour range than the hour range. So you're dealing with, like, you know, a relatively small canvas on which to map out this entire story of Paul and Lydia and lots of flashbacks and what exactly happened with their son when he died, which has A whole bunch of other things that fly off of it. And then also to deal with everything that you want to say about these other. These other folks.

[Eric Deggans]

I mean, maybe in today's media age, you need a show that hopscotches across so many different kinds of stories to keep people engaged. But for me, I just sort of felt like, man, if this had just been a little more focused, then we could really dig into one part of it and really have that sort of fleshed out, rather than feeling like just when we're getting to something, hey, we're on to the next. We're onto the other storyline. We're onto the other idea.

[Linda Holmes]

Yeah. I somehow believe that even though you, the two of you have very different feelings about this show, I think you are both right.

[Candice Lim]

Thank you so much.

[Linda Holmes]

Is where I think I am coming down. I think the advantage of a show that is fundamentally 4ish hours long to watch the entire thing is if you really like Ray Romano or Lisa Kudrow or Abbie Jacobson, I think it's worth your time to check it out. And honestly, I'm not going to lie to you, if there's a story going on in it that you're not as into and you go, skippy, skippy, skippy.

[Candice Lim]

Or go on the phone, go on Zillow, go on Zillow.

[Linda Holmes]

I'm not telling you how to live. I'm just saying I think you guys are both right. That's my bottom line vibe.

[Eric Deggans]

Just call Linda. The TV critics. Switzerland.

[Linda Holmes]

Well, we want to know what you think about no good deed. Find [e-mail] PCHH that brings us to the end of our show. Eric Deggans. Candice Lim. This is really fun. Thank you so much for being here.

[Candice Lim]

Thank you.

[Eric Deggans]

Always a pleasure. I enjoy talking about this more than I actually thought I would.

[Candice Lim]

Something you got. Hey, Eric, I'm so sorry to do this, but I really think season one, selling Sunset will hit that itch for you. We'll talk about mortgage rates, interest rates, interiors.

[Linda Holmes]

Candace, that is so incredibly not gonna happen.

[Eric Deggans]

It brings together the two things I can't stand, which is reality TV and shows about real estate. So there you go. Wow.

[Linda Holmes]

Wow.

[Candice Lim]

Then this show never had you. This show never had you.

[Linda Holmes]

All right. This episode is produced by Liz Metzger and Lennon Sherburne and edited by Mike Katsuff. Our supervising producer is Jessica Reedy. Hello. Come in. Provides our theme music. Thank you for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from npr. I'm Linda Holmes, and we'll see you all tomorrow.

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