Podcast Summary: "The Fed is expected to cut rates. Here's why."
Podcast: Post Reports (The Washington Post)
Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Asma Khalid
Guest: David Lynch, Trade and Globalization Reporter, The Washington Post
Overview
This episode tackles the remarkably complex and confusing state of the U.S. economy in late 2025 and explains why the Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates. Host Asma Khalid and reporter David Lynch explore warning signals in the job market and inflation, the effects of recent Trump administration policies (notably, tariffs and immigration crackdowns), and the political and practical calculus facing the Fed as it considers action. Lynch breaks down the mechanics and implications of an interest rate cut, using analogies and clear explanations suited for non-experts.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
The State of the Economy: "Warning Lights on the Dashboard"
- Metaphor for the Economy:
- Lynch likens the economy to a “car still motoring along” but with “a warning light on the dashboard” (00:49–00:59).
- Primary Concerns: Jobs and Inflation
- Both job growth and inflation display worrying trends (01:02; 02:11).
- Job growth has “been pretty anemic” – just 29,000 new jobs per month for the last four months, compared with 323,000 in December 2024 (02:11).
- Inflation, while better than the 9.1% peak during the Biden administration, has been ticking up since April, now at 2.9%—noticeably increasing the price of daily essentials (02:11).
Breaking Down Jobs and Labor Market Weakness
- Labor Market Malaise
- Americans are pessimistic about finding or changing jobs, with lower than usual labor market “dynamism” (03:00).
- Unemployment is ticking up (now at 4.3%) and is partly attributed to demographic shifts and a steep crack down on immigration (03:00-04:55).
- “Over the 2019 to 2024... migration into this was responsible for 88% of the growth in the labor force.” (03:49)
- The administration’s sealed border means “fewer bodies we can put to work... fewer people driving demand.” (04:27)
- Impact of Trump Policies
- Tariffs:
- April 2025 “Liberation Day” tariffs haven’t led to an immediate economic crisis but haven’t produced manufacturing job growth either; manufacturing employment is actually down by 41,000 since February (05:08).
- “April 2, 2025, will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn... And yet manufacturing employment is down by 41,000 since February. That’s not the direction you want to go.” (05:22)
- Federal and State Government Jobs:
- Federal government employment down 97,000 due to the Elon Musk-led “Doge Initiative” (06:14). State government employment also fell, with more risk ahead due to tax changes pushing financial responsibilities onto states (06:40).
- Tariffs:
Why Is Inflation Rising Again?
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Inflation Stories and Public Sentiment
- Prices fell from their pandemic peaks but have started rising again since April (07:33).
- Lynch’s analogy: “[Inflation is] like having a bad bruise on your shin...because it’s already bruised, boy, it hurts like hell. And I think that’s how people are now about prices.” (08:42)
- Despite 3% inflation being much better than the previous 9%, people still “feel” the high costs from the earlier price hikes (08:53).
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Political Spin & Public Reaction
- The Trump administration calls the economic pain “early days” and promises improvement with time, echoing Treasury Secretary Scott Besant’s talk of a “detox period” as the private sector is energized (09:27).
- Lynch’s takeaway: “Telling people to be patient with things they don’t like is not a great political strategy.” (10:12)
What’s Next for the Economy?
- Economic Growth Outlook
- Experts expect “continued growth,” possibly around 1.5% annually—“good, but not great” (14:03–14:49).
- Some worry that slower growth could begin to “feel” like a recession.
Why Is the Fed About to Cut Rates?
- Mechanics of Rate Cuts (15:06–16:39)
- Lynch explains: “Think of the interest rate as the price of money...when the Fed cuts...it makes it easier for you to get a loan...More jobs will be created, more wealth will be created. That’s the theory of the case.” (15:06–16:39)
- The Fed’s Dilemma in 2025
- Fed’s “dual mandate”: full employment and price stability (2% annual inflation) (16:42–17:10).
- Inflation (at 2.9%) is too high, yet labor market is weakening—making this a difficult balancing act (17:10–18:59).
- Recent tariffs are partially responsible for price hikes, but the Fed believes these effects may be “one time” (17:36).
- Fed is expected to cut rates by 0.25 points, maybe again later in 2025 (18:59).
Political Pressure and Fed Independence
- Trump Administration’s Pressure
- Trump has called for a dramatic 3-point cut; Lynch says “there is no economist outside the White House who…I’m aware of who supports that” (20:32).
- “If alien invaders from Mars landed and disrupted our economy, you’d probably do a 3 percentage point cut.” (20:32)
- A quarter- or half-point reduction is broadly seen as justified by data, not political pressure (20:54).
- Market and Public Reactions
- “Life is lived at the Margin; marginal impacts across a $30 trillion economy…can eventually make some difference.” (19:15)
- The Fed is expected to cut rates cautiously and incrementally, not take aggressive action all at once (19:49–20:01).
When Will the Effects Be Felt?
- Lagged Impacts
- Rate cuts are like “medicine for the economy”—changes have “long and variable lags” before full impact is felt (22:18).
- “It’ll be months to a year before a rate cut is fully 100% working its magic.” (22:18)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Immigration’s Role in Labor Growth:
“Migration into this was responsible for 88% of the growth in the labor force. The new bodies we were putting to work were coming from somewhere else. And now…the [immigration] flow…has dried up to essentially nothing.”
—David Lynch (03:49–04:27) -
On Discontent with Inflation:
“If you’ve got a bad bruise on your shin…it hurts like hell. And I think that’s how people are now about prices. 3% inflation, which is around where we are, 2.9%, but call it 3%. 3%'s a hell of a lot better than 9. But people, everything seems expensive because people still remember…”
—David Lynch (08:42–08:53) -
On Public Patience and Politics:
“Telling people to be patient with things they don’t like is not a great political strategy.”
—David Lynch (10:12) -
On the Fed’s Mandate:
“The Fed has two main responsibilities…full employment and price stability.”
—David Lynch (16:42) -
On Rate Cut Expectations:
“Life is lived at the Margin; marginal impacts across a $30 trillion economy over time can eventually make some difference.”
—David Lynch (19:15) -
On White House Pressure for Major Cuts:
“President Trump has been calling for a 3 percentage point cut in rates…that would be the sort of action that if alien invaders from Mars landed…you’d probably do a 3 percentage point cut…”
—David Lynch (20:32) -
On Timing of Rate Cut Effects:
“If you’ve got a really bad sinus infection and you start taking antibiotics, you don’t instantly feel better…Same thing with this…It takes time for that to filter through the economy.”
—David Lynch (22:18)
Key Timestamps
- 00:49–01:12: Economy as a car metaphor; warning lights for jobs and inflation.
- 02:11–04:55: Breakdown of weak job growth and impact of migration policy.
- 05:08–07:17: Tariffs, manufacturing employment, government layoffs, Trump policies.
- 07:33–09:16: Inflation, consumer sentiment, recovery after the pandemic.
- 09:27–11:20: Trump admin's economic messaging, public skepticism, polling data.
- 13:43–14:49: Economic growth projections, recession concerns.
- 15:06–16:39: How rate cuts work—“price of money” explanation.
- 16:42–18:59: The Fed’s dual mandate, the “balancing act,” expectations for rate cuts.
- 19:15–20:01: Incremental rate cuts, impact across the economy.
- 20:32–22:01: Political pressure from Trump, Fed independence, market reaction.
- 22:18: Analogy of rate cuts to slow-acting medicine and expected lagged impact.
Conclusion
The episode provides a nuanced look at the economic warning signals, the influence of the Trump administration’s policies on jobs and inflation, and the rationale—both economic and political—behind the Federal Reserve’s expected rate cut. Listeners come away with clear analogies for complex economic concepts, a sense of the political stakes, and an understanding of why both the public and policymakers are anxious about the months ahead.