Egg Rent ft. Kayla Nicole

Summary

Pour Minds Podcast — "Egg Rent" ft. Kayla Nicole

Release Date: January 9, 2026
Hosts: Lex P and Drea Nicole
Guest: Kayla Nicole (media personality, journalist, influencer)

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Houston-born and Atlanta-based hosts Lex P and Drea Nicole welcome Kayla Nicole—media personality, journalist, and influencer. The trio delivers their trademark blend of real talk, humor, and “drunk therapy” vibes while diving into topics from finding your people in big cities, career reinvention, fitness as therapy, social media scrutiny, the realities of egg freezing (“egg rent”), shooting your shot in dating, and reclaiming sexual narratives. The episode showcases friendship, honesty, and laughter throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finding Your Place: Home, Friends, and City Vibes

[04:23–14:35]

• LA vs Atlanta vs Houston: Each shared experiences with big cities. Kayla reflects on being an LA native but understanding “Hollywood” can feel mixy, while Atlanta is often seen as glitzy but can be tough for real connections.
  • “LA gets a bad rap because we have a lot of transplants… those are the people that tend to make the dynamic a little bit weird.” —Kayla Nicole [05:11]
  • Atlanta sometimes gives “everybody’s famous” energy, from barbers to trainers.
• Friendship struggles:
  • Lex on not making friends after moving to Atlanta:
    “I still have not… I met like her friends at the time. I didn’t like none of them. None of them like me…” [10:08]
• Houston’s Vibes:
  • Kayla appreciates Houston’s diversity and black culture, and Lex says Houston’s nightlife and restaurants are ahead of Atlanta now.

2. Kayla Nicole’s Career & Reinvention

[14:35–21:55]

• “Did you ever work a regular job?”

  • Kayla started as a production assistant at TMZ (“I was a PA… you do whatever anybody asks. Very humbling experience.” [15:19]), interned at a newspaper during college, worked at Jamba Juice, and at a Malibu bikini store.
  • She emphasizes being more than “just an influencer” and having built a deep resume in media/entertainment.
    • “I have been building my resume in the entertainment space for a very, very long time. Right. Common misconception is that I’m just, like, an influencer, but no, I do have a degree.” —Kayla Nicole [17:44]

• Leaving TMZ for Sports Media:

  • She left TMZ due to discomfort with its tabloid style: “I can’t go into work every day trying to ruin people’s lives… I couldn’t do it.” —Kayla Nicole [19:21]
  • Pivoted to sports media to highlight stories and human interest.

3. Fitness as Therapy & Body Positivity

[21:55–29:03]

• Fitness journey:
  • Former gymnast, Kayla has always been a “workout girl” for mental and physical health: “There’s nothing in the world that will make you feel as good as prioritizing your physical health, but also your mental health too. So really working out for me is like, I have a brand called Tribe Therapy, and the whole premise is basically to bridge the gap between physical fitness and mental wellness.” —Kayla Nicole [22:29]
• Gym intimidation:
  • Advice: No one knows what they’re doing! Don’t get discouraged by others—find movement that works for you.
    • “The gym is like… it’s like church. This is a space for everybody and anybody. You should shut up.” —Kayla Nicole [24:36]

4. Reinvention and Online Perception

[29:05–34:56]

• Managing Others’ Opinions:
  “There was a time when… the narrative online of me was so loud and so repetitive that… you start to believe it… But I’m very thankful to not be in that place anymore.” —Kayla Nicole [29:47]
  • Key: Community, self-awareness, therapy, and remembering who knows you in real life.
    • “You have to do the work, you go to therapy and you realize… sometimes it is something internal with you that you have to work through.” —Kayla Nicole [30:52]
  • Lex shares vulnerability about being called “too masculine,” “too loud,” and relying on her support system.

5. Social Media, Wealth, and Scrutiny

[37:37–52:28]

• On influencer backlash (“Don’t show off your wealth!”):
  • The hosts debate the fine line between aspiration and flaunting, and the unfairness of policing black women’s luxury and success. “But I think it has to be a balance of fine. You can share the monetary things that you are also achieving, but you need to also show something else that has more value than, you know, a bag or a purse.” —Kayla Nicole [51:49]
• Authenticity and Giving Back:
  • Both Lex and Drea share stories of helping followers/friends quietly (not everything gets posted):
    “A lot of these people, they are helping people. You just don’t see it.” —Lex [49:05]
• On Internet Criticism:
  • Kayla’s method: sometimes, she’ll screenshot a hater’s comment and send it to their relatives (!). “I will just send them the screenshot and say, hey, just wanted to let you know, oh, Jessica, this is how your mom talks to people.” —Kayla Nicole [35:49]

6. Dating, “Shooting Your Shot,” and Modern Romance

[52:32–65:29]

• Women being straightforward in dating:
  • Kayla and the hosts advocate clear communication, not just “Easter egg” hint-dropping when interested in someone.
  • “I want you to absolutely stop dropping Easter eggs and speak with your chest. You are a grown woman… successful, beautiful, intelligent.” —Kayla Nicole [64:42]
• Dating in 2026:
  • They agree dating is tough everywhere, not just LA; all say they’re open to marriage and kids but not pressed.

7. “Egg Rent”: The Cost and Pressure of Freezing Eggs

[59:48–62:38]

• On fertility options:

  • Kayla breaks down the financial and emotional toll of egg freezing, coining the term “egg rent”: “You have to pay for them eggs to stay frozen… it’s expensive to buy eggs as is…” —Kayla Nicole [60:05]
  • The group acknowledges the societal pressure (“geriatric pregnancy” at 35+) vs. the real-life difficulties and choices.

• Attitudes on Potential Motherhood:

  • Lex & Kayla both express openness—if it happens, great; if not, embrace other life paths.
  • “Maybe it’s just not my ministry to freeze my eggs. But I love the idea of it. It sounds sexy. Egg rent.” —Kayla Nicole [60:54]

8. Sexual Past ≠ Sexual Identity

[67:57–75:16]

• Can you “go backwards” in the bedroom?
  • Lex defends women’s right to try things sexually without being labeled forever: “I said something about eating ass a few times years ago. That was like four years ago, bro… Would I do it again? Yeah, but I don’t eat my… the dude I’m [with], he don’t like that.” —Lex [68:17]
  • Kayla: “Whatever happens in the bedroom… please don’t bring that outside of the bedroom.” [70:41]
  • All agree: your sexual history shouldn’t define you.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Gym Culture:

  • “The gym is like church. This is a space for everybody and anybody.” —Kayla Nicole [24:36]

• On Online Haters:

  • “I will just send them the screenshot and say, hey… this is how your mom talks to people… I would hope this is not how you communicate.” —Kayla Nicole [35:49]

• On Social Media Comparison:

  • “Comparison is the thief of joy. Spend time focusing on your path— your journey is for you… You don’t know what people are doing behind closed doors.” —Lex [79:14]

• On “Egg Rent”:

  • “I love the idea [of egg freezing]… but you have to pay for them eggs to stay frozen… sometimes my conversation with God is, I need you to give me a sign to freeze these eggs right now because if not… maybe I’m just going to be okay with [not having kids].” —Kayla Nicole [60:25]

• On Dating and Shooting Your Shot:

  • “I want you to absolutely stop dropping Easter eggs and speak with your chest. You are a grown woman… Successful, beautiful, intelligent.” —Kayla Nicole [64:42]

• On Sexual Evolution:

  • “You can try things sexually. You shouldn’t be defined by that…” —Lex [70:41]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [04:23] — City Vibes, Making Friends, and LA vs Atlanta vs Houston
• [14:35] — Kayla’s Early Jobs & Breaking into Media
• [19:21] — Why She Left TMZ, Choosing a Path
• [22:04] — Fitness as Therapy, Forming Healthy Habits
• [29:05] — Reinvention, Internet Narratives, Protecting Your Energy
• [37:37] — Social Media, Influencer Scrutiny, Content Balance
• [52:32] — “Shoot Your Shot” in Love and Dating
• [59:48] — Egg Freezing, “Egg Rent,” and Pressure to Motherhood
• [67:57] — Bedroom Identity, Sexual Past
• [76:09] — Bop of the Week (Music Recommendations)
• [78:00] — Listener Q&A (“Pour Your Heart Out”)
• [83:36] — Wrap-up, Kayla’s Plugs, Tony Braxton Singalong

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Music & “Bop of the Week”

[76:09]

• Lex’s pick: “Twerk on the Boat” by Trim — “Cute bop, perfect for spring!”
• Drea: “Mrs. Trendsetter” by Lil Baby
• Kayla Nicole: Olivia Dean (“real emo stuff”)

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Conclusion & Outro

Kayla shares info about her podcast (“The Pregame”), her fitness brand (“Tribe Therapy”), and encourages listeners to follow her journey. The hosts sign off with a rousing, tipsy group singalong of Tony Braxton’s “He Wasn’t Man Enough For Me,” embodying the unfiltered, uplifting Pour Minds spirit.

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This episode is a blend of candid conversation, humor, and honest life lessons—perfect for anyone navigating adulthood, self-image, career, relationships, and social media in the modern world.

Transcript

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[B]

I said something about eating ass a few times years ago. That was like four. That was like four ago, bro.

[D]

But you retired from.

[B]

Oh my. I don't. Not that I retired. Would I do it again? Yeah, but I don't eat my.

[A]

My.

[B]

The dude I'm. He don't like that.

[D]

It's not currently a part of what.

[B]

I mean ass, bro.

[A]

But they.

[B]

But you will. Yeah, if I have to. It's rent due.

[D]

I don't like a little. A little ass intimidating.

[B]

But bro. But I'm be saying like, let me leave me alone, bro. They look at me like, oh, Lex freaky. She eat ass, bro. You need a. She eats like a. But I eat before. But you just said you would do it again.

[A]

But if I had.

[B]

But just not right. But right. But I don't really like. Is it a choice?

[D]

You would.

[B]

If I had a choice. I'm like, it's not nothing on my.

[D]

Own rash in your ass eating.

[B]

Yeah, I ran.

[A]

There's a quota like cross. Right.

[B]

If I'm a vegan. Okay. And I eat meat one time just like trapped.

[D]

Yeah. Are you not still vegan?

[B]

And I go back to eating my plant based. I'm still a vegan.

[A]

Right?

[D]

You got a good point.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm not no ass either.

[D]

But you are vegan once removed. So you never have taste.

[B]

You ass eating vegan. You and me eating vegan. Ass eating vegan. What's up, y'?

[A]

All?

[B]

It's your girl Lex P. And it's.

[A]

Your girl Dre Nicole.

[B]

And you are tuned in to another episode of Poor Minds, where a drunk.

[D]

Mind speaks sober thought.

[B]

We got a guest today. We got a guest today. Okay, y', all, I am super excited because, like, we have been following this queen for a long time. I know y' all have seen her everywhere. Working out on your newsfeed, motivating you. You know what I'm saying? We got media personality, journalist, and influencer, Ms. Kayla Nicole in the building.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I take it you know what I love? Like, you know, Kayla Nicole, Dre Nicole. What was it called? The Mamas Thought they ate that with.

[A]

That in the 90s. That's popularly named.

[D]

When were you born?

[A]

91. Me too.

[D]

They really thought they ate that?

[B]

No, didn't eat with.

[D]

Everybody's middle name was Nicole Marie.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

The Renee be going.

[B]

That is so funny. And then y' all both born in 91. So it. It's definitely some truth to that.

[A]

It is. For sure. What's your son?

[D]

I'm a Taurus.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Scorpio. Oh, my God. Look at those bonds being over signs.

[D]

But I love Scorpio.

[B]

What's your sign? I'm a Leo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I love Leos as well. You know, I just.

[A]

I get along with Leo's.

[B]

I really don't know nothing about the zodiac, but I just like to ask people because I feel like that's what you're supposed to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you supposed to ask somebody. There's like, where are you from? What's your sign?

[A]

I get it.

[D]

But then I feel like when the vibes start vibing, then you be like. Or if they not, I mean, you be like.

[B]

That's why. Agreed, Agreed.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

I feel you on that. So we gonna get into it. First of all, how are you? You know what I'm saying? How you doing?

[A]

I'm so good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like I'm in a really good place in my life. Yeah. I was just posting on my Instagram story yesterday. I did a little, like, Q and A with the girlies, and someone asked that. They were like, how are you doing? And I'm like, sensational. Sensational.

[B]

And I put that song.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to Chris Brown. Well, I feel like I always have to ask that because I living in LA as, like, a black girl, it's like a different experience.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Okay. Well, I'm from here, so I'm a little biased. Okay.

[B]

Cause I feel like every time I come here, of course I have a wonderful time. I do. But I feel like it's because of, like, my job. And I'm able to maneuver around, like, I want to. You know what I mean? But I feel like for the average everyday person who's maybe not, like, in media or do things like this, I'm like, how do y' all maneuver around this shitty.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I think LA gets a bad rap because we have a lot of transplants. Like, a lot of people aren't from here. And those are the people that tend to make the dynamic a little bit weird. Yeah. Because I'm from here or LA adjacent. I'm from Corona, which is like an hour and a half away. Because people will get on me for saying I'm from LA and I'm not from la.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's like her being from Orange.

[B]

They, like, you are not from Houston.

[A]

That's.

[B]

You know that, cuz I told you that. Exactly. That's how I feel, too.

[A]

But I spent most of my life in la. Most of my friends were from la, so my perspective is biased. But I get it, though. Like, the Hollywood of it all, it is mixy. It is. It could be very weird, but you have to find your people anywhere you go, you know?

[D]

I feel like LA is similar to New York in the sense that it's hard for people to move, like transplants to move and make it there.

[A]

Yeah. I live in New York. I lived in New York for three years and it was like, the hardest three years of my life, but very, like, formidable. I feel like I really, like, found myself in that city because I had to make a new friend group. I had to start from grand zero and build my career out there. You really have to hustle in New York. I like the energy, though.

[D]

Compared to la, that's somewhere that I always wished that I took a stab at living there.

[A]

It's not too late.

[D]

Yeah, it's not. But now I feel like it is.

[B]

You staying in Atlanta with me, it's too late. Let's kill them dreams right now.

[D]

Well, I will.

[B]

Both of y' all together. Yeah.

[A]

Like six months. You don't have to do it long term. Imagine, like, do a little residency.

[B]

I don't know, get some episodes done. I'll be on Broadway, period. Exactly. Girl, not for real.

[D]

You can sing a little bit. A little bit.

[B]

I' ma clip that. But you ain't gonna forget that, because I never say that.

[D]

But I do feel like New York is just one of those places that I always wish that I took a chance there, because my best friend, he used to live there in our early 20s. He went to St. John's and I used to go visit him all the time. And I just used to have a ball and I never moved there. I decided to go ahead and move to Atlanta, but I don't know, girl. Maybe one day I'll get a condo there or something.

[A]

Because you really should.

[D]

I feel like New York needs me.

[B]

If you always talk about New York.

[A]

Seriously, everyone needs a little New York season. Like, do a little summer, a summer in New York and a winter in New York, and you're set.

[D]

But I like here, too. I be wanting to play everywhere.

[B]

Maybe I like to walk slow, eat slow, fuck slow. Everything slow.

[A]

Like New York.

[D]

Every time we go there, she's ready.

[B]

To go, leave me in the room.

[A]

Well, I would advise, though, also, if you are to do New York, I wouldn't tell you to live in the city. I would say live in, like, Edgewater in Jersey. Because you get the experience. You get the view of the city.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can go in and out of it. Because I do agree it can be a little fast paced, overwhelming, over stimulating to live in the city.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Jersey is like the perfect balance of the two because you still get, like, the suburb residential living with a little sprinkle of, like, the hustle of the city.

[D]

When I was thinking about moving there, I was thinking about Brooklyn.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

That's cute. Like Crown Heights. Okay.

[A]

Little hipster vibe. Yeah.

[D]

Like, I was thinking about moving there, but now I feel like Brooklyn is so gentrified. It's on the same level as Manhattan.

[A]

Was like 2015, 100%. And it's so expensive. I mean, it is. You are wealthy, so y' all maybe could afford it. My price range.

[B]

Girl, you are a wealthy woman, too.

[D]

We not want to play the game.

[B]

Speak that wealthy, honey, I'm staying in the south. We're rent, $2,000.

[D]

Well, she just bought a house in Atlanta.

[A]

Your home is beautiful. I see you posting all the time, but I feel like I have my own bone to pick with Atlanta. I don't. Me and Atlanta do not get along.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

Me and Atlanta do not get along. Well. Like, I've gotten in the majority of the fights now.

[B]

Oh, you be scrapping. Wait a minute now.

[A]

The old this is. This is the old this is. She wasn't really saved.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Sanctified now.

[A]

She hadn't done the work yet. I was very reactive and young.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

The majority of the fights that I have been in have been in Atlanta.

[B]

I will say.

[D]

What was you fighting over, though? Like, give us an example.

[A]

Well, let Me tell you, I'm in the club one night in a section. It's actually during a major weekend. I was always there for like, some sort of like. Like a Super bowl or like an awards or. You know what I mean? So, like, it's bringing the whole city.

[B]

Out kind of vibe.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

At a party, we're at a section, and there's a girl in the section pickpocketing people.

[B]

What? I catch her.

[A]

Literally, like, literally, I catch her with her hand in my homegirl's purse.

[B]

And my homegirl kind of like her, but klepto. I catch her with her hand in.

[A]

The purse, and my homegirl, just a little, small, little petite lady, is like.

[B]

She's stealing from me. She's robbing me.

[A]

And I'm immediately like, what? So I'm questioning the girl. I'm like, yo, you're like you're robbing. What's going on? Like, who are you here with? Trying to get the answers to the questions. Everybody else is lit, having a great time. I'm trying to get security. Security's not coming, so now I gotta step in and intervene. I grab the purse from her, it turns into a scuffle. I have her in a headlock.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Of the party.

[B]

Yeah, a headlock is crazy.

[D]

But you know what? I support her for a cause.

[B]

What's the cause? Yeah, exactly. That's a good cause. Yeah, that is a good cause.

[D]

Cause she was stealing from your friend. That's a hell of a cause. I support you.

[A]

I just hate it. I got into it with bottle girls. It's just. It's too much.

[B]

I will say, that does make sense. That's like Atlanta does things like that. Because I will say, when I moved to Atlanta, I still have not. I don't feel like I've made friends in Atlanta because when I moved there, I met, like, her friends at the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I didn't like none of them. None of them like me. So I'm just like, you know what?

[D]

I'm not friends with any of them hoes.

[B]

Yeah, you're not friends with any of them. But, yeah, I. I agree with you on that. I had to move on. I live on the outskirts of Atlanta. Not the outskirts. Outskirts. But I'm like, a little further out.

[A]

It's a little more country.

[B]

Yeah. It's a little quieter. I just couldn't take it no more. Yeah.

[A]

So my favorite place.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Atlanta, to me, is what people think LA is. Because I think people try even harder in Atlanta. Like la. I feel like you know, LA really got not okay not to say that Atlanta don't have going on. Right. But LA is Hollywood, for real. Like, this is where the real movers and shakers are. It is a few movers and shakers, but everybody think they are. They have this false sense of identity and celebrity.

[A]

I saw something on Instagram the other day that was like, why everybody in Atlanta famous? Like the trainer's famous, the barber's famous.

[B]

The car wasn't celebrity barber. Celebrity barber.

[D]

Celebrity.

[B]

W. Fetty. Godamn. No, for real, though.

[D]

Everybody in Atlanta has this false sense of celebrity. And I feel like out here, like, nah. Is really celebrities.

[A]

Yeah, we do got some celebs, some big names, heavy hitters. It's hard to make friends anywhere, though. Atlanta, Louisiana, New York.

[B]

How do you feel about Houston?

[A]

I haven't really spent much time in Houston.

[D]

Really from Houston.

[A]

I've had some good times, though. I used to work there often. There was a brand that I would model for, so I would go to Houston quite a bit. I feel like there's a lot of black people, which I like. You don't see too many, like, people that look like you in LA all the time. Yeah. You guys have, like, good vibes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good food, good shopping. The weather, though, is a little weird. I feel like it was always raining when I would go, but humid. Humid and rainy and wet. Other than that, I mean, Houston, I don't have any suit. I don't have bad reviews.

[B]

Yeah, you need to go for a good weekend. Sunday Funday with us.

[D]

Yeah, you need to come.

[A]

Where y' all go? Where do you guys.

[B]

You know what? I'm not gonna advertise them until they pay us. Come host. Cause y' all be booking everybody but us, but that's okay.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Yes. All of us.

[A]

Can we all host a party together?

[B]

What we're gonna do is Kayla Nicole. Andrea Nicole.

[D]

When we have our first coast meets third coast.

[B]

We are going to our weekend that we have our live show in Houston. We're gonna bring you with us and we're gonna have a whole fun weekend. I'm so serious.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm dang. I'm turn up. Like, we gonna turn up. Cool. We gonna make sure. We put some. We gonna make sure you hosting. So you gonna make some money while you. There you go.

[A]

Cooly, too.

[B]

Come on now. Yes, she knows Cooley. I was on the phone with her this morning. She was like, who are y' all filming with Kayla today? She was like, that's my dog. I Call her my dad. She was like, tell her you know her. So we gonna have a weekend in Houston. We gonna really show you how to get down.

[D]

We gonna turn up. Because Houston has changed so much over the years. You know, people are saying it's like the new Atlanta.

[A]

Who's saying that?

[B]

A lot of people. She said people. It's me. That's like, who y. Oh, who did who?

[D]

But now.

[B]

Lives there now.

[A]

He does.

[B]

Making his documentaries. Right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

From Katie. Lot emotion. Okay. Anybody else?

[D]

He also has a headquarters in Shreveport, so that ain't saying much.

[B]

Hey, there much going on in sh for. We got to spread it. We got to spread it around. Okay, you're right.

[D]

But no, that's at the street saying, Kayla, I'm letting you know what I heard through the great.

[B]

Well, I think the night life in Houston is way better than in Atlanta.

[D]

I will say that.

[B]

Now, as far as media goes, I do feel like Houston is still behind, but nightlife, restaurants, I think they've actually surpassed Atlanta, to be honest.

[D]

For sure.

[A]

I can see that. Yeah. I could live in Texas. When I think about places I would move to, Florida's on the list. Texas is one of those places.

[D]

Yeah, I could do it.

[B]

Okay. Maybe Dallas.

[A]

So I feel like I'm more of a Dallas.

[B]

Oh, Dallas is beautiful.

[D]

Dallas is beautiful. Maybe I'm a little partial.

[B]

You are.

[D]

But it's nice, though.

[B]

Beautiful. Beautiful.

[A]

Sometime there. So I do like the hospital.

[B]

Okay, so I want to talk about your career, and I want to start from the beginning because I, like, want to get your lore, like, the background. Have you ever had a job, first of all?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I didn't know like a job right now. Well, no, like, I'm talking about like a 9 to 5, like, you gotta clock in at Home Depot type shit.

[A]

Well.

[D]

Cause I used to work at Lowe's.

[B]

She did. That's why I said it to the.

[A]

Very hard workers at Lowe's and Home Depot.

[B]

I was there the other day.

[A]

I said, y'. All.

[B]

Oh, they in there hustling.

[A]

I've never worked at a Home Depot or Lowe's, but I have worked at some very interesting places. One of my first jobs was at tmz.

[B]

Okay, That's a job that doesn't count.

[A]

But hold on. What I was doing, though, was filling water cups, emptying trash cans.

[B]

Okay. You know what I mean? Like, very specially. Oh, I was.

[A]

I was a PA Production assistant. Meaning you do whatever anybody asks.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They're hungry and they want a snack from the back. Very humbling.

[B]

Experience.

[A]

Okay. But I'm trying to think before then. Even in college. That's a lot. My first job was at a newspaper in Malibu.

[B]

Extra, extra. Read all about it. All about it again.

[A]

Assistant though. So I was like grabbing lunch for the people. Making copies. Yeah. Emptying trash cans. Okay. But I went to school in Malibu at Pepperdine out here. Which is a little like school on a cliffside overlooking the ocean.

[B]

Very bougie.

[A]

Very. That was like my first ever dorm. I had an ocean view in my dorm. Which is crazy, right?

[B]

But you give me them vibes.

[D]

I've heard of.

[B]

Never struggled. Don't know. First of all, my dorm.

[D]

I've heard of Paper dy. Yeah, great school.

[A]

Yeah, I tell that all the time. That's probably like my. I'm not going to say last time, but my first time having a very immaculate view. That's why I went there. Cuz I wanted to go to a black college. I wanted to go to places in New York and I wanted to go to Howard and Hampton and all the things. And then I visited. Yeah, girl. I visited Pepperdine. Then I was like, oh, this is is. This is home for me. But I. I come from humble beginnings. I have had a real job.

[B]

TMZ don't count. That is a real job. It seems just so much fun.

[D]

Like I worked at Sonic.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? I was in the trenches for real.

[A]

Did you have to wear the rollerblades? Is that not Sonic?

[D]

She used the rollerblade. Didn't you say you not.

[B]

You just made that up. You did. Why did you just make that up?

[D]

No, I could have swore you talk. Yes, I could have swore you told me that you roller blade.

[A]

That sounds like fun.

[D]

I don't know about you shakeover or some.

[B]

Yeah, maybe I lied.

[D]

You're lying right now. Cuz you definitely told me.

[B]

You know, sometimes I love to get a good story off that I'm a liar. And sometimes I'll be trying to get my off and tell a good joke and she be like, that's not true. Shut up, girl. Let me finish my joke. But maybe I did a bit. But I. I'm weak.

[A]

I never had a job.

[B]

That's crazy. It never gave me. But it always gave. Like, not that you didn't have a job, but like you were always like having fun jobs like you have always. When I was introduced to you, like I felt like you were always like in the mix working like I feel like the first time I ever saw you were like on a football field. With a mic in your hand. I'm like, oh, I didn't know bad bitches talk about sports.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think that's when I was introduced to you. So I was like, I never knew, like, your background and what you did to get for.

[A]

I love that. Okay, well, maybe in college. Okay. One time I did work at a bikini store. So maybe you want. You want jobs outside of the industry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I have.

[B]

Okay. That is.

[A]

I'm something that I'm proud of, is that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have been building my resume in the entertainment space for a very, very long time. Right. Common misconception is that I'm just, like, an influencer, but no, I do have a degree. My. My res is expensive, girl. But outside of the industry, I worked at a bikini store in college.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

It was in Malibu, though, because it had to be close to campus. I worked at Jamba Juice.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Come on. I worked at Jamba Juice on campus.

[B]

She said, I made a cucumber squeeze, girl.

[D]

Yes. And I love me some Jamba Juice because we have hella Jamba Juices in Texas, not in Georgia.

[A]

I also wouldn't advise anyone to continue.

[B]

To go to Jamba Juice.

[D]

Not these days.

[B]

I agree with. We not getting that endorsement. Maybe skip that up.

[D]

But no, you always have been a media girl, obviously, because your first job, real job, was tmz. So when did you recognize, like, okay, this is what I really want to do in this space, and I'm good at.

[B]

Go ahead, dopa.

[A]

Oh, gosh. I don't know if it was until recently where I really felt like, okay, I'm. I'm good at this. Like, the hard part about being in this industry, it takes really tough skin. It's a lot of no's. Probably, like, more nos than yeses, for sure. And I do feel like now I'm finally out of place because I'm doing my own thing. I have my own shows where I finally feel like I'm. I'm starting to pat myself on the back and be like, you know, actually, like, you can hold your own in this space. Because when I worked at tmz did not. I quit. I quit working at TMZ because I felt like, this is not for me. I'm not built for this. I can't go into work every day trying to ruin people's lives and find out why Lindsay Lohan was doing drugs in the bathroom or, like, I. I couldn't. I just couldn't do it.

[B]

But I do want to know I see. Well, I was.

[D]

She just don't want to be the one reporting.

[B]

I don't want to be the one.

[A]

Well, you spend your days, and I'm sure it's the same now. You really spend your days trying to put the pieces together called cold, calling bars and trying to get bar backs and bottle girls to tell you that they saw so and so say something to so and so, and then they're.

[B]

Paying people, oh, my gosh. Yes, girl.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And it's the people that are working there that are doing, you know, the heavy lifting in that regard. And so for me, it was just. It didn't feel good. And that's when I kind of started to go more so into the sports space as well, because for me, it was like, I always cared about just, like, the person and the story, like a human interest piece that excites me. I want to know, like, what makes you tick, what inspires you. And I've always really believed in the. The power of an individual story. So the sports world felt more comfortable to me.

[B]

Did you play sports?

[A]

I was a gymnast growing up. The hardest sport of all the sports. If I'd say no.

[B]

Seriously, you got that body.

[A]

Muscle memory is very real.

[B]

So you're flexible.

[A]

I. I am.

[D]

We seen that, Chris.

[B]

I mean, you had the Internet going nuts. Can I get my leg up there like that?

[A]

We could do it, though. Just takes a little repetition.

[B]

You know what's crazy? I actually am flexible. Like, I really, like. Like, I can bust the split.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Muscle memory is real. But I was just, like, very impressed. I was, too.

[D]

I was like, whoa.

[B]

Very limited.

[D]

Go back for.

[B]

Go back real far. The talents. The talents are there. But I'm so glad that you're, like, giving us your background, because one thing I hate is I hate when people discredit women. And I feel like I was introduced to you when, you know, you were doing your sports thing. I'm like, kayla Nicole, been that girl. And I feel like I was introduced to you when, you know, you were doing your sports thing. I'm like, kayla Nicole, been that girl. She been. She been working. So I think it's so important that people know that about you. Like, you know, you have your degree, you've been hustling, you've been. You've been that girl.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

I appreciate that. I really do appreciate that.

[B]

We got to say, stand on that, period.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

You ready to get into the topic? Are we going to.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

No, I'M ready to get into it. I was just going to say. But no specific. Specifically, though, especially beautiful women. I feel like people always are trying to discredit beautiful women. Like, if you didn't look the way that you look, then people wouldn't be saying the things that they say. So there's that.

[B]

But real quick, cuz, y' all were talking before, before we started filming about, like, 75, hard and working out. Have you always been, like, a workout girly?

[A]

I have.

[B]

What motivates you to go to the gym?

[A]

So it's a long list of things. One at the top of the list, mentally, just makes me feel like a sane person. I don't like who I am when I don't work out. I don't have a routine. The clarity, the mental clarity that comes from working out is just. There's nothing like it. There's no medicine in the world that will make you feel like it. There's no drug.

[B]

There's no. Not even a part.

[D]

Okay, all right.

[B]

I had to ask. Bitch.

[A]

Sex partnership.

[B]

There's nothing in the world that will.

[A]

Make you feel as good as pride. Prioritizing your physical health, but also your mental health too. So really working out for me is like, I have a brand called Tribe Therapy, and the whole premise is basically to bridge the gap between physical fitness and mental wellness. Because for me, working out is truly therapy for me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I've been saying that for years. I was a gymnast growing up. I started at the age of five. I quit when I was probably, like, 16. And I've had a workout routine ever since. I've never strayed away from it.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And because, yeah, like, you look good, you feel good, but also, like, mentally, I. Absolutely. I have to work out. I have to work out.

[B]

Maybe if I watch y', all, it'll.

[D]

No, I'm asking me the same thing too. And I feel like it's a mental thing. Like, I just don't feel good when I don't go to the gym. Especially if I know, too, that it's a weekend where I'm really gonna be cutting up. I have to get up early and go this morning I did.

[B]

So for me, I have, like, bouts. So I have, like.

[A]

Me too, though.

[B]

I have, like, an eight, nine month where I'm, like, in the gym. Like, I'm kind of in that right now. Like, I've been working out daily, doing all my things, and then I'll just be like, one day, I'll just, like, skip one. Then it end up Skip two. Next thing you know, snowball effect.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

It gets ugly.

[A]

Give yourself grace. So that doesn't mean that you don't prioritize your mental health or your physical health. You just have to do what works for you. Like, I go to the gym. I. I work out probably for, like, two hours and some change. I'm, like, in the gym, but it's also like my. It's like my happy place. It's so quiet in the gym. To me, it could be packed and meatheads and influencers recording. I literally feel like I'm the only person in the world when I'm in the gym.

[B]

And I think that's what intimidates me about the gym, too, because Dre, like, oh, I was at the gym today, and somebody came up to me, or she was like. And she just goes and goes around the gym. I'm so intimidated by the gym because I feel like people. First of all, I feel like people gonna, like, maybe recognize me or something. And I don't want to be in the background of somebody's video. Maybe my father. Form might be wrong or somebody. But look at her. You can tell because you know what? A lot of people who are gym heads, they make tik tok videos. Like, you can tell somebody hasn't. Don't go to the gym. If they do their exercise like this or picking at people.

[A]

Yeah. Intimidation is very real, and they should shut the up. Whoever is saying that is a weirdo. Like, the gym is like. It's like church.

[D]

Like, shut up.

[A]

This is a space for everybody and anybody. You should shut up. Also, if you are filming in the gym, I think that you should be cognizant of other people. This is not your crib.

[B]

I like, you use big words like Drake. I know what they mean, though. I know what they mean.

[A]

You should be aware. But if the gym intimidates you, I understand. There's so many alternative ways to move your body. You don't have to be in the gym an hour and a half, two hours. Like me. You can go for a walk, 45 minutes. I have a friend, Shayla, who's a makeup artist. Well, she used to be a makeup artist. Makeup Shayla. You might have seen her.

[B]

I love her.

[A]

Yeah. Very gorgeous girl.

[B]

Hey, girl.

[A]

She goes on, like, four mile walks a day, which sounds intimidating and ridiculous, but you will be so surprised. Walking alone, even. Not even on an incline will change your body.

[B]

Yeah, well, I thought it was.

[A]

Change your mind, too. Like, that's what I really want people to Understand, like, you're cool, your body will be great, your aesthetic will be great, but the clarity that comes from prioritizing moving your body is just. It's untouched. Like, there's nothing like it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Discipline is just so important, and I think it's sexy.

[B]

It is.

[D]

It is. It's like, I know I gotta do this every day, even though I don't want to. Yeah, I'm gonna get my ass up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm do it because it's for my. I always try to think it's for my future selves. And I always tell Lex, too. I've had experiences like that in the gym where people have kind of, like, critiqued me or told me my form was wrong, but it's always been from a good place. Like, it's never been from a place of me feeling like they were judging me and not trying to help. It's always been from a helpful place.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what, though? I realized about myself recently? I hate when I feel like people are laughing at.

[A]

At me.

[B]

Like, if like, in the gym specifically.

[A]

Or just in general?

[B]

Just in general. Because you know what I realized? I was like, watching, like, podcasts that we've been on or, like, other shows. And, like, when somebody tries to crack a joke on me, I don't want to get defensive because then you look kind of corny. So I'll like, add in and start joking on myself. But I'm like. I'm looking at my face. I'm like, you didn't like that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think that's like, a fear of mine of, like, going to the gym with somebody being like, look at her. You know what I mean?

[D]

But to be honest, more specifically, in the gym, I've not. People do not be paying attention, by the way.

[A]

Nobody knows what the they're doing in the gym. Like, and.

[B]

Someone.

[A]

You might look at me as a fitness expert. I'm figuring it out too. Half the times when you post, let.

[B]

Me just say this. Well, whatever.

[A]

I've been telling myself. But when you post these workouts on Instagram and you have to give, like, the descriptions and, like, the names.

[D]

Right.

[B]

You are. What did I just do? Reverse lunge, rdf, back flip. Like, who gonna check me? I said what I said. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, nobody knows what they're doing. Everybody is in there with the same goal. We are all in here to do the same thing, which is better ourselves. Yeah. Don't let them people deter you from.

[B]

Doing what you need to do for you. Whenever I'm Ready? I'm gonna start going with you.

[D]

Looking at you. I be looking around sometimes. Nobody be paying attention to me. And I be doing hella wrong.

[A]

Be looking, but I don't be looking at, like, people's sports.

[B]

If anything, I wouldn't be looking at.

[D]

She got a nice.

[A]

Nice body.

[B]

There's. There's somebody at my gym that have an ankle bracelet on. And that's the vibe you looking at sometimes, but, like, ankle bracelet. But it's like, she gotta get her work on it, too. Monitor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ankle monitor. A criminal.

[D]

And that's bad. Cause I don't.

[B]

Y' all be at Planet Fitness, all at Welcome. I said, it's like the church. Come one, come all. You know what's crazy? I watched Pastor Mike, pmj, for the first time. Rock City Church for the first time. It's crazy that you said that, because he made a point about that. He was like, you know, if a woman walked into church right now and she got some tight shorts on, booty hanging out, y' all gonna be like, ugh, why are you here? Why are you here? He's like, you know what I would do? I would embrace her and say, thank you, sweetheart, for coming. We appreciate you. We gonna get you together. We gonna get you right. He was like, because that's the kind of church I want to have. And I was like, that's me. I'm the type of bitch. I'm a walking church with my ass hanging out. I'm like, what happened? Well, at least I came now. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Wow. Hallelujah. I'm here. Well, and Pastor Mike said he would embrace me. So in the gym, I need y' all to embrace me. So if you see me in the gym, just embrace me. We will, but everybody I'm talking about. But I did get a. So I'm glad that you said that about walking, too, because I got a walking pad a long time ago because of Drea.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I walk on my walking pad. I literally lost 30 pounds at the beginning of the year, cuz I was walking on my walking pad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I stopped, and it came back a day.

[D]

That's 10,000 steps, I think, Right?

[A]

Impressive.

[D]

It's gonna get you, right?

[A]

So.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

I know. My bad. We got a little off topic. It's okay. We're having a great time.

[A]

Let's go wherever you want to take it, honey.

[D]

So now we're gonna get into topic number one. We wanted to talk about the power of reinvention. Do you feel like You've ever allowed people's perceptions of you or ideas of you change your mindset or change who you are as far as like, making life decisions?

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm human for sure. I think I did an interview the other day with a publication called the Cut, and she asked a very similar question. There was a time in my life where I think that the narrative online of me was so loud and so repetitive that just as a human being, when you see something so much, you start to believe it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you start to think like, okay, well, maybe they're right. Like, maybe they've got it right and I've got it wrong. I'm very thankful to not be in that place anymore. I'm very thankful that I've done the work. But I do think that, yeah, if you don't do the work, you don't prioritize your mental health, the outside voices will start to drown out your own inner voice and you'll start to question your purpose and you'll start to question your potential and your gifts and your talents. But it's important to figure out what's triggering that, what's causing that, get to the root of that so that you can stay on your path. Because I think that if I would have listened to it, I would have quit a long time ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that certainly was an option. Yeah. Like going back to the. Which Nothing against a 9 to 5 in the office job. I've done that. But I was ready to go back to that. Like, let's put all the cameras and the mics away. Really. Pictures and the. And the likes and the. Yeah, put it away. If it meant that I could keep my. My sanity, for sure. I question that. But, you know, you do the work, you go to therapy and you realize that. Okay. The problem is not so much everybody else, in their opinion. Sometimes it is something internal with you that you have to work through.

[D]

Yeah, for sure. And I think that once you become more self aware and you know exactly who you are, who you are, the opinions of other people don't really matter as much.

[A]

Absolutely.

[D]

And once you realize too, that a lot of it is projection.

[A]

Oh my gosh. Absolutely.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And everyone has an opinion, which people are very entitled to that. Like everyone has a perspective. I don't have to listen to it, though. Yeah, it doesn't. I don't have to subscribe to it. You don't have to. I don't have to give it any more power than it deserves.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think when people be crashing out online and they do the things, and they just feel like I'm not this person. They're trying to prove something because of what the comments are saying. It's because they don't really have good community. Because when things are going on and I'm getting canceled or people are talking bad about me. Like, I know we've been talking about this on every interview, but when we go viral for something, I'm like, am I too much? Because they're like, lex is so masculine. She's so loud.

[A]

She's so this.

[B]

Oh, my God. You want to be a baddie so bad. You want to be. And I'm just like, oh, my God. And I'll call Dre or I'll call my friends. I'll call my sister. I'm like, am I too loud? Am I too much? And they're like, girl, no. And what I realized is I'll have these moments with the people who really know me and are really my friends. And then I show up at one work the next day, and I'm still myself because I'm like, I'm cool. I'm that. And people who get me, they get me. They understand me. You know what I mean? So I think there's growth in just being a person and living life. But this is who I am.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I have people in real life, cameras off, who really love me and understand me. So I think sometimes when you feed too much into the comments, that's when you're like, am I like this? Yeah. And I noticed I was doing that.

[A]

That's so real, though. I. I. For sure, there's been moments where I have wanted to, of course, respond to the comments, jump in the shade room comments, and save face, clear my name. But like you said, I will make a phone call or to you, whether it's to my. My team, my pr, my manager.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or maybe it's my mom, or maybe it's my best friend. Maybe it's my sister. Because like you said, there's people that know me in real life, and if I succumb to the pressure of trying to appease the Internet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm going to be exhausted every single day of my life. I'm gonna be constantly moving the goalpost of approval, trying to win in the court of, like, public opinion. I want people to like me and to know me, understand me, and to sympathize with me and empathize. I'm going be exhausted during that every day of my life.

[B]

I like it. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[D]

I was going to Say, have you ever had.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

That was the Office. I love the Office.

[D]

One of my favorite shows.

[A]

But no.

[D]

Do you feel like you've ever had like a crash out moment where you was just like this? Y' all got me up. I'm going to say how I feel. I' ma let y' all know. Y' all are me misreading me. This is not who I am.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

We've all had those moments before.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But I will say this. I have it offline. And 10 times out of 10, not 9, 10 times out of 10, whatever the confusion might be on the Internet, understand that in real life, I'm addressing it.

[D]

Okay?

[A]

I'm not doing for the Internet.

[B]

I love that about real life because.

[A]

I can only take so much. I'm human. I had a breaking point as well. And to prevent me from crashing out, I'm just gonna bring it right to your front door.

[D]

I used to be cussing people out in the comments. I can't do, like, you know, I.

[B]

Was about people out recently. Okay.

[D]

It's so funny because used to do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And now she does it. Like, the bigger that we're becoming, she responds to. To people all the time. The bigger that we're becoming. I just be blocking hoes.

[B]

Well, do whatever makes you feel good. Do what makes you feel good. There was a.

[A]

There was a time where I did respond to people I used to.

[B]

We had posted a video recently where we're talking about AI and. And they was all calling us dumb in the comments. I fought for my life. 12 hours. 12 hours I was laying in my bed. God damn. I'm not kidding. 12 hours. I laid in the bed that night and up. But how did you feel? Great. See, because I've been bothering you.

[A]

If you feel good. Yeah.

[B]

If you feel good.

[A]

I started to feel. I started to get irritated because it's like, you got a rise out of me. That's what you wanted and I gave it to you. And that pisses me off.

[B]

Now, I'm not gonna lie. I felt great after I finished not laying down, but when I woke up, I was like, why did you talk to these weirdos? Yeah, like the weirdos. You didn't you stop me. But you had already.

[D]

Because this is the thing too. You had already done the damage too late. And sometimes I realized too, that's what's going to make somebody feel better in that moment. Like, I feel like that's what made you feel justified in the moment. So I was like, it's cool. But I was thinking, I'm like now why the hell she responded? Cuz you responded to like 20 people.

[B]

I was fighting.

[A]

Wait, it's like you're literally in the comments and you're dming them.

[B]

No, I'm the world to see me dueling you. I love a duel.

[D]

Share posts. A lot of the time you see.

[B]

It notifications and I'm like, why? I was hoping you would sleep.

[A]

No, I'm more maniacal or just very like calculate Scorpio quality. Like I'm gonna. I've shared this before in the interview that I did recently. But I will do things like say you leave a wild comment on my page. I'll go to your page. I see it's not like a spam account. This is like Jessica from Long Beach. Yeah. And her kids and her husband and she puts her church. She's a lover of Jesus and all that. So I go, I screenshot her comment. I will find maybe her husband's profile, her child's profile, and I will just send them the screenshot and say, hey, just wanted to let you know. Oh, Jessica, this is how your mom talks to people. And I would hope that you know that this is not how you communicate with others and to do better.

[D]

No, I love that. Let me add a quick read.

[A]

I was doing that for a minute and it would really make me feel very, like, cathartic.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, I'm healing. I'm healing. I'm changing a generation. I like that. I like it. There's this lady online, y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

No.

[B]

And they would be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. This is so embarrassing.

[A]

Like, yeah, your mom is a.

[B]

Your mom is a weirdo. She's an mua. What she does is when people leave nasty comments, she does like costume makeup.

[A]

And makes herself look like them.

[D]

I saw that recently.

[B]

I love, I love.

[A]

I think I might have followed her actually.

[B]

Yes, cuz exactly. Let me show you.

[A]

Let me be a mirror. Allow me to be a mirror for you, my love.

[B]

We are human. I think people forget that. Do you still read the comments? Like, are you like a comment reader or you just be like, I'm not looking at this?

[A]

It depends on the time of the month.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I learned the other day that women feel like a normal human being for like three days out of the month. So if it's like one of those three days, maybe I'll read the comments. But other than that, probably not. Probably not. Cuz people. Yeah, people really be having me up on the Internet. Yeah. I don't want to ruin my day, my months, my energy. I'm going post my business and go. I check my DMs with people that I know, but, like, I'm not really reading too much.

[B]

Yeah, that's there. Go ahead. No, no. There's certain things that I read Spider man, but I'm not gonna lie on ticks. I'm always searching because now I feel like it used to be Twitter, where I would search our names a lot and see what people are saying. But I feel like Twitter is, like, people don't really be check. Now it's like, tick tock. I'm always searching things on tick tock. Because people.

[D]

Poor mine.

[B]

Yes. Because people like to make. Think pieces and make something be a thing, everybody. And what I've realized. Do y' all know who Michaela is? The makeup girl from Boston? Guerrero Nicoera. Okay.

[A]

Something like that.

[B]

She is, like. She has, like, 17 million followers. Huge makeup guru. Right? Okay. And there's this thing going on. On. And I'm gonna be very careful with this topic, y', all, because there's a thing right now where they're getting mad at influencers for showing their wealth and the things that they built. Like, she got. They did that to Jaclyn Hill. She was like, why am I not.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

Why am I not connecting with y'?

[A]

All?

[B]

They're like, because you keep showing us your Chanel bags, and people can't eat. And Mikayla got this. Literally, that's what somebody said. Mikayla got this closet built out. Chanel bags, Hermes. I mean, it's closed for days. And somebody was like, well, I could barely afford lunch today, but thank you for showing me your closet. Now, there's a double in sword to that, because I'm like, on one end, Michaela, like you said, she came from humble beginnings. Like, she really worked for what she had. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, Kim, people are dying, you know, so.

[A]

So it's like, I. It's a very. It's a delicate line that you have to balance.

[B]

But that's.

[A]

First of all, that's the industry that you choose to be in. So she's an influencer. Yeah.

[D]

A beauty girl.

[B]

She'd be like, Kim Kardashian.

[D]

I definitely seen her. She did her makeup, so I'm gonna copy her makeup.

[A]

But I did see the Jacqueline of it all, the redhead girl.

[B]

Same thing.

[A]

And I will say this, though. With my own brands and businesses, I have never been in a position where I felt comfortable, and I'm trying to get more comfortable with this. No, I've never seen.

[B]

You never seen her.

[A]

I'll never really be on Tik Tok like that. That's her platform. Tik Tok Living.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And she has like 17 million.

[A]

Yeah, I've never been on. I don't really be on Tik Tok.

[B]

Okay. But just a circle around point. And I'm gonna let you finish. I was just saying a lot of times I search that because I realize a lot of people, they don't have any following. They don't have nothing. But when they hashtag her name and talk crap about attention, it gets attention. So it's not like, do you really care?

[A]

No.

[B]

Or are you just trying to go viral?

[A]

No.

[B]

So that's just like, I get it when people protest for things. They want to stand up for something. But I'm like, I'm looking at your page because if you're trying to get a message out, you're not gonna hashtag nothing. You gonna. You want to connect to your audience of who it's gonna connect with. Why are you hashtagging her name?

[A]

Because they don't have an audience and they're trying to establish it. People think on Tick tock. If you put the green screen behind you, like, and you talk in front of it, that now you're a reporter.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

You think that what you're saying is fact, when actually it is smoking mirrors. You actually don't even know what you're talking about. You're trying to get engagement. So I see right through that. It's unfortunate that the mass majority probably doesn't though, right? I mean, unfortunately, people don't read anymore. They don't. It's an epidemic. People need to read more.

[B]

You don't read? I read a little bit.

[A]

I need you to read more.

[B]

Well, no, I read books. I read.

[A]

Like, that's better. That's better than nothing.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Fiction is cool, but I feel like you need to really get in the field, though. You need to touch grass. Like, people need to start back reading, please. What's going on in the news? Like, you need to go to cnn.

[B]

I do watch the news still. You know, I love the news because news is messy.

[A]

Don't read the headline.

[B]

Now. I do agree with that.

[D]

Please click the link and read.

[A]

For my own sake. This is me pleading to.

[B]

Because, you know, they was going in on Jay Z the other day and I actually.

[A]

But back what you're saying about people, too much oversharing. I Think that there is a delicate dance of being an influencer content creator. I only want to see so many unboxings.

[B]

Okay. And I got bags.

[A]

I don't want to watch you unbox your Birkin Chanel. I only want to see so many of that. Let's get more. And also it's not even engaging or entertaining. It does come off braggadocious.

[D]

You do have to read the room, babe.

[A]

People budget cuts are happening. People can't afford meals for their children. Yeah, like we need to be aware. Hyper aware of that. That Cuz if you're not posting about that kind of stuff too. I'm really pissed off at you for showing me your closet tour with all your bags and your shoes all the time.

[B]

It's just not necessary show my closet tour. But it's full of sheen and Steve Mac.

[D]

But you know, I still balance.

[B]

It's a balance.

[D]

But I agree, I agree with Kayla because same like I be getting pieces and stuff and I just. Okay, anyway tell them, tell them.

[B]

But not crazy.

[D]

But no, seriously same. I agree with you. Like I be having purses and shoes.

[B]

It's cold. Wait a minute, man. Go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[A]

Sorry.

[D]

Every once in a while it's fine. It's cool. Like every once in a while you get something you want to unbox and you're excited about it. But if that's all that your page has and especially for me, it more so me to people like you not married, you don't have a job. What do you do?

[B]

I am they selling?

[D]

I'm not going to say that.

[A]

Which needs to be normalized by the way. So I just think we need to normalize.

[B]

Like we need to stop shaming people if that's what they doing.

[D]

But my thing is I would rather, you know, unboxing and be like, you know, this is my air mass unboxing boxing today I sold for it.

[B]

No. And it was easy today.

[D]

Girl today cost me 25.

[B]

No.

[D]

That's what I got for it. I would prefer that the honesty over like because I do feel like with a younger generation, our generation be influencing them a lot to make them feel like, oh, if I don't have these things, I'm not living how I should be living.

[B]

I'm behind.

[D]

But then in reality you don't really.

[B]

Know what they're doing to get it. I would say if you go on a girl or a guy's page, they don't have you don't. You can't tell what they do for a living. Then they probably doing something illegal or something. That's not. It ain't illegal. No.

[D]

I completely disagree.

[B]

What state you. But it also ain't wrong.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

But I do think, though. I do. I'm like, on the.

[D]

I'm on both ends of it.

[B]

Like, I get it, Kim. People are dying. But I also feel like if somebody worked hard for it or whatever, it's motivating to me. I'm like, is there a ghost in here? I'm so sorry. She's like, what kind of sh. I miss? We trying to get you warmed up for the bed now. We saw that. So why you hitting that girl in the back of the head?

[D]

I hit her one time, and I looked at Bronte, and I was like.

[B]

Oh, she finna say cut it. Let's go, Kayla.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Let's walk. We need to go. Oh, okay. I'm gonna just sit up. Turn it. Turn it down.

[D]

Anyway.

[B]

But anyways, I say all that to say because I think I'm on both ends of it. Right. I have always consumed. I am a content consumer. Right. Since I was a tiny tot, I always say this. I was not the girl that was watching, like, Rugrats and things like that. I was watching Jerry Spring, watching Sally, Jesse Raphael. I love to hear people talk and see how I'm so interested, because everybody's lives are so different. So even in the beginning of Real Housewives franchises, it was like, you're watching these rich women be extravagant. So for me, I find it motivating. I find it interesting. Like you said, I wonder. I'm always like, oh, how did you get this lifestyle? But I get it on the other end. But at the same time, it's like, why can't people just live their lives? Like, if this is her life on the daily and this is what she's documenting it, why can't she show her life or things like that, you know? So I get it on both sides. You know what I mean? Like, I just. I think everybody is, like, scrutinizing the Michaela or the.

[A]

The. The.

[D]

Well, I'm not gonna say Jackie gets scrutinized a lot.

[B]

Jackie, too. And I hate that.

[A]

But this is the key, too, like, being an influence. It's a business at the end of the day. Yeah. So you can't take things too personal.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I do think that it's aspirational. It's very aspirational to watch somebody go from point A to point D in their life and see this amazing Trajectory and see them be able to get really nice bags and closet tours and all of the things. But I also think that it's important for people in this position to remember what got you here. So, like, the Jaclyn girl, the redhead girl, I saw a video recently where she was like, let me get back to, like, the root of what even brought you here in the first place. And people were going raving about it in the comments because it was a simple, like, get ready with me.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Because it's like, girl, don't forget, this.

[B]

Is why we're here for it.

[A]

Yeah, we, of course, want to see you succeed. Because it makes me feel like, okay, if you can do it, I can do it. I for sure want to support that. I'm not no hater. But every day, and every day, you're like a refrigerator tour, and it's like some opulent fridge full of just.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, girl, for real, people.

[D]

People are dying.

[A]

People. I can't eat right now, so you have to be aware of that. I feel a little weird sometimes. My manager's always like, like, ltk, and you need to get on your tag game and tag your whole outfit. It's like, I'm. I'm gonna feel bad when I tag.

[B]

Everything in this fit, and it's just, mom, be stretchy. I feel bad.

[A]

I don't feel like it's necessary. So then the caveat to that is, like, okay, let me tag all my designer things, but also let me tag some dupes for y'. All.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I, like, let me hook you up. You know what I mean? Just being cognizant of that.

[B]

I agree. Like I said, for me, I guess it's always been motivating. But, like. Like I said, I can see the. The other side of it. But I don't know. I just feel like we can't attack these people for everybody's circumstances. And a lot of times when people give back, they don't want to be performative about it, and they maybe don't want to post that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I had a situation recently where I was posting something about, like, me decorating my house or something. And mind you, I. A lot of people will DM me, ask me for things, and I do it for them. And I don't. I don't blast. Cause what if you're in a moment of need? There's been plenty of times where I had to ask her, ask my sister. Ask that. And they never like, oh, yeah, I gave Lex some money. I gave Lex this And I. So I'm the same way. But this girl, she was like, hey, Lex, you probably don't remember me, but a long time ago, I asked you for some money for some groceries. And it literally changed my life because I was able to do this and do that. Went to a job interview, and I've been working for two years. And she was just like, saying, the snowball effect.

[A]

Okay, pause, hold on. This is someone that DM'd you that you didn't know. Yeah, she DM me. That is beautiful.

[B]

And she was like, hey, Lex, can I. I just need some money.

[D]

I need to eat.

[B]

And I was just like, girl, go get some groceries. Like, I get it, you know? And I sent her some money. This is like two years ago. And she left a comment under one of my house pictures. She was like, girl, I just want to tell you, I've been working at this apartment complex for, like, two years. I'm back on top. I'm living. Like, she was like, telling me, like, thank you. Because sometimes things have a snowball effect. I'm telling you.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

When I was in Houston, remember, we worked at that club and it just shut down. Oh, prom time, prime time. And then shut down. I. They didn't pay me for two weeks of work. And that snowballed me into. I know it sounds crazy. It literally snowballed me into being broke for, like, two or three years because I got so off track that quickly. You are one paycheck away from your life.

[A]

Up.

[D]

You are.

[B]

So when she DM me, she was like, you helped me and this and that, you know? So it's like. That's why I say it's like sometimes a lot of these people, they are helping people. You just don't see it. It's weird.

[D]

Weird because people definitely will make you feel bad if you post about it, but then if you're not posting, then they'll. They're like, oh, well, what are you doing for other people?

[C]

Right?

[D]

And that happened to me recently, too. I actually. This girl who is my old best friend from middle school, her little sister, she just graduated from sfa, which is my alma mater, and she's a teacher now, and she had a registry on Amazon, and she was like, I have all of this stuff. I'm a big fan of Poor minds. Can you buy me me some stuff for my classroom? So I bought her maybe like 300 worth of stuff. Never posted about it, never said anything. I was actually telling Shay about this, like, two weeks ago, and she was just so thankful. So it's like a lot of the time behind the scenes, people are doing things right. You just never know. And we don't. But I also feel like we don't have to say anything. I post my Birkin or if I post my new Chanel bag. Why do I got to prove somebody some money today?

[A]

Everybody, we are living in. I don't even know what you would even call this anymore. Assimilation.

[B]

People.

[A]

You think you are the judge and the jury, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

I don't gotta prove to none of these people. And more people need to adopt that mindset if more people operated like that. Because at the end of the day, sure, we're. We're the talent or we're the. The person that they're looking to. But also, as someone who consumes content, I don't ever open my phone and get to judging a left and right. I'm not scrolling to judge you and your lifestyle. Take a fucking break. Go to work, touch grass. Live your life.

[B]

Life.

[A]

You are not the judge, the juror. You are not God, my mama, my sister, or my friend for real.

[B]

Right?

[A]

How about you go live your life? Are you donating? Because it's not.

[B]

Do you want to work in. You know, what are we doing?

[A]

Like, let's focus on you, babe.

[D]

Why do we have to prove these things to people? And I definitely feel that way. Like, you cut it out because you should be able to post your.

[B]

But if you do stand on it.

[A]

Then I would never.

[B]

If she.

[A]

If that is her thing, that's her niece. She like Jackie. She has lavishly Jackie, because. Exactly, baby.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Because the life I'm living, that I.

[A]

Earned for real, that I have earned, that I worked and fought tooth and nail for. I'm gonna post what I want to post, and matter of fact, I'm gonna.

[B]

Make a whole other separate brand page.

[A]

With hundreds and thousands of followers to show y' all that not only am I posting this, but people want to see this content, too. So, yeah, do what you want to do.

[D]

Forget all the outside noise.

[A]

Jackie will block you for sneezing wrong.

[B]

As you said, because people are so mean. They are really, really mean, and they.

[D]

Try to make us feel bad. But, I mean, if anything, I feel like it should, especially with us being minorities, like, with us being black women in America. If anything, it should be inspirational, because show people, okay, this is what we can do. If you really put your head down and you focus and you work hard, hustle, grind, you can accomplish this as well. But for some reason, it intimidates people.

[A]

But I think it has to be a balance of fine. You. You can share the monetary things that you are also achieving, but you need to also show something else that has more value than, you know, a bag or a purse.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Whatever that is. Whatever is in your walk, whatever is in your journey. But it can't just be bags and shoes all the time.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

For me to feel motivated, I do.

[B]

Think influence is real. So it's like you necessarily don't have to show you giving money, but you could, you know, these things that people can.

[A]

Don't.

[B]

Right. There's things that. That you can do to show, like, hey, y' all go donate here. Or, hey, this is a company I've worked with before. It's like, things like that. But I think, like, it's a good balance.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I don't mind seeing a little, you know, closet that motivates me.

[A]

Really flex on these hoes. Yeah.

[D]

Sometimes you got to do a little flex. It's only right, y'.

[B]

All. Y' all know we got off topic, but we gonna go to topic, too. You ready?

[D]

Yes, I'm ready.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Go ahead, Drea.

[D]

Not me.

[B]

All right, I'll go ahead. Okay, let's shoot. I'm a little drunk now, so Fred's like, I'm at the bottom of my skill. I feel good.

[D]

We is. Well, Lex, need to get the bottle.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

You introduce a shot game.

[B]

Okay, I'm going get the bottle while you introduce the game.

[A]

A shot game.

[B]

I mean, a sip. A sip. You have to.

[A]

You have to tell me the difference, cuz I will take the shot.

[B]

Oh, hell. Shoot your shot.

[D]

Have you ever boldly made a pass at a man and he totally missed what she was trying to do.

[A]

I wouldn't to think on this, but I will just the shoot your shot energy. I'm. I am a shot shooter.

[B]

You do it.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. All the time.

[B]

That's my drink.

[A]

Before, I was just listening. Oh, I was researching y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

That's what it was. And I saw the interview that y' all did with Kadeem.

[D]

Yes, yes.

[A]

And they. They gave the advice of, like, send a drink. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna put that in my pocket because I've never sent a drink to a man. But I'm. I am a. You walk in the room, and I'm interested in you. I'm gonna stare at you until you feel trauma. I'm gonna stare at you until you notice. Hi, how you doing?

[D]

I like that. Because I'm like that too. I will look, because I feel like if you see me looking, you gon interesting.

[A]

You're going to figure it out.

[D]

But I'm not going to.

[A]

I don't go over across the room.

[B]

But I get older.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going to go.

[D]

I'm cool with it.

[A]

I have. The ego is gone, babe. At this point. Same.

[B]

But I think it's because y' all got that, like, sexy, sultry look.

[D]

What you think you got?

[B]

I be like, this.

[D]

This is.

[B]

That's what I'm doing, and it don't work.

[A]

She's.

[B]

Yeah, I would definitely advise not to do that.

[A]

Keep your hands.

[B]

Keep your hands.

[D]

A beautiful girl.

[B]

You're stunning. If you look.

[D]

She is life.

[B]

No, if you.

[A]

Even if you just say.

[B]

Also, this is.

[A]

They made this note too. Like, the whole, like, walk to the bathroom thing, you know, make your presence. Then do a lap.

[B]

A lap. I love.

[A]

For a girly, that's a little intimidated. That's a good starter point. Like, do a lap, go to the restroom, come back and see if they speak. Also, I think it's a good test because if I walk past you and I make eye contact with you, I made it clear that I'm interested. You don't say nothing to me. You probably not my type, baby, because you're scary.

[B]

But sometimes I feel like that'll be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I need a man that's going.

[A]

To press me out because I. My personality. Yeah. Is a little whatever. Intimidating as loser men like to say.

[B]

But, yeah, I like a man that will.

[A]

Will take it. You know what I mean?

[B]

Are you, like, aggressive?

[A]

Very.

[B]

You think you're aggressive?

[A]

For sure. But I'm also very submissive as well, though.

[D]

Good balance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what's crazy? I think people would expect me to be, like, so aggressive, but I'm really not.

[A]

I think that you lead. You probably lead with the quirky, cutie, goofy vibes.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like if. If a man gets past that, I'm very. Just like, okay, whatever you say. Yes, I'm very. I'm not. I am not that girl. That's like how people perceive me online. I feel so not like that in real life. In a relationship or with me.

[A]

Yeah, me too. Same game. Yeah. I be like, online. I be like, I ain't making nobody.

[B]

No food at home. I'm like, what you at?

[D]

I'm like, where you at?

[B]

It's 4:00am 4:00am 4:00am you say you want a sandwich. Okay, let me get it. I'm going. Go figure it out. Greens, potatoes, tomatoes. Lamb, Lamb. You name it. Literally.

[D]

No, seriously.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

I think we all have that perception, though. People think we're like these. And don't get me wrong. We are strong women. We have strong personalities. But, like, for my men. My man, My.

[A]

My man, what I'm doing.

[B]

Whatever.

[D]

Whatever.

[B]

I'm going, like, all right, we going there. Okay, tell me what y' all think about this shot. Like, say you cooking.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which is rare also.

[A]

Let's just start.

[B]

You know, you. You. You just at home cooking, and you like, oh, I think I made too much food. Like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with all this food. He like, oh, you probably the bill, prep it. You feel like he missed his shot. Like, if he. If you telling him, like, oh, my gosh, I made too much dinner. What am I gonna do with all this food? He not like, oh, let me slide through and get a plate, then, Bab.

[A]

I actually hate him. Who is this? Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't cook to begin with. I don't. I hardly cook for myself. Yeah. I'm making a meal, and I'm trying to flirt with you, but also, like, I get it, but the whole, like, let me drop. What do they call it? Easter eggs or, like, little hints? No, just say, what you. I made too much food. What you trying to pull up and eat?

[B]

You just strike me for you. Yeah, we don't gotta.

[A]

Let's stop tiptoeing. You're blocking your blessings by doing the whole song and dance.

[D]

You give it room for misinterpretation.

[B]

Yeah, that's me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm an Easter egg dropper. Okay.

[A]

And this is not the Easter bunny.

[B]

Like, come on.

[A]

These are very remedial.

[B]

You. You want eat some food?

[A]

I have some. Like, that's how you gotta talk to these men.

[B]

If I ask a man if he want to eat, I'm talking about something else. Well, a little both.

[D]

You know, come get the meal, then come get your dessert.

[B]

Hey. You know what I'm saying? Wait, what about this one, Dre?

[D]

Which one?

[B]

It says, she invited me over for dinner at 9:30pm I replied, who eats that late? That's what I'm saying.

[D]

That's 9:30.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Again, it's time to post two things for you to eat.

[B]

Yeah. Buffet, baby. You know, I just feel like I am a hint dropper, though. So I've had situations where I've, like, kind of throwing it out there, and it's like, how did you not catch that? Because I think a lot of times, though, with this day and time and obviously, like, with the type of men we've dated or in the city, like, they be trying to be like, oh, they be trying to be too cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? So it's like sometimes I'll throw it out there, and they just. They don't catch it. Not to be like, okay, this is not gonna happen. I need you to catch that motherfucker.

[A]

It's unfortunate, too, because I feel like I cut men off so quickly these days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I drop a hint, and you don't catch the hint. That's your last. That's your last shot, babe. There will be no more foreheads.

[D]

And I've been like that. I feel like that's why I'm single.

[A]

Same.

[D]

Because I'll be cutting off.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Goodbye. Go away with this, Apollo.

[A]

There's a very strict program around here, and I'm okay with that.

[B]

Are you dating?

[A]

I'm dating.

[B]

Are you having, like.

[D]

Are you, like, somebody that you like?

[A]

There's some top contenders.

[B]

Okay. I know that's right.

[D]

Because people always make it seem like dating in LA is really hard.

[A]

Oh, it is. But I don't think it's just an LA thing. I think dating men at this time is. Is hard for anybody, no matter where you are. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it. You know what I mean?

[B]

If you're in a relationship.

[A]

Hold on. Zero. Yeah. Like, it's hard out here in these streets, and I'm a relationship girl. I would prefer to be in a relationship. I don't enjoy the process of dating, but, yeah, you know, you do what you got to do.

[B]

So what, do you want to get.

[D]

Married and have kids?

[A]

That's what I was about to say. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I do.

[D]

No, it was some hesitation.

[A]

I do. I don't know. The marriage rates, like, the numbers aren't so good these days. You know what I mean? It's tough being married, but I. The goal is. Yeah, one day to be married. I think I do want kids as well, so.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I would prefer to be married before I have kids.

[D]

Okay. So we're the same age. Do you ever feel pressure? Because I'm like, oh, I'm turning 35 next year. Should I freeze my eggs? I don't know. Or should I just let nature take his course? How do you feel about that?

[A]

I've had this conversation so many times on my podcast. Something that's not talked about enough is the financial commitment that you have to make when you're freezing your eggs. I love the idea of it. I love the idea that you can freeze your eggs and I'll have the pressure. You can live your life. And when you choose to have kids, you choose to have kids, you have to pay for them eggs to stay frozen.

[D]

You do.

[B]

Oh, you gotta pay rent for eggs. Send them upstairs with the other ones. Okay.

[A]

But I'm with you on it, because it's like, it wasn't eggs.

[D]

It was embryos.

[B]

Rip. Oh, and those is more pricey.

[A]

The embryos going to cost you more now.

[C]

Hello.

[A]

It's expensive to buy eggs as is. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I did not know that.

[A]

So for me, that's what I'm saying. Everybody's like, well, just freeze your eggs.

[B]

It's like, what you mean?

[A]

I got to pay rent. I have a car now. I have health insurance. I have dental insurance.

[B]

I can't put them in my fridge. Give them to me.

[A]

So sometimes my conversations with God is like, I need you to give me a sign that you want me to freeze these eggs right now. Because if not, I'm gonna get to the age where I can no longer have kids and I'm just gonna be okay with it. Maybe I'll adopt. Maybe I'll be with someone who has children already. Yeah, maybe it's just not my ministry to freeze my eggs. But I love the idea of it. It sounds sexy. Egg rent.

[B]

Every month.

[A]

I let my car insurance.

[B]

Bill run out one time.

[A]

Like, I'm telling Mom.

[B]

Like, okay, well, it is what it is. Same with health insurance. I'm telling you, it's crazy. But that's said, give me my eggs. I'll keep eggs going. Now times get too hard on my scrambling. That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's like, can I donate them? Can I take them and get. You could sell your eggs too.

[B]

You can. I'll sell them. Scramble, whatever I got to do for a pretty penny. Okay, see, that's too much. I did not know about egg ring.

[D]

Well, you do have to pay the rent, but for me, it's more. So it's how much it costs, but then also what it does to your body. Like, you're putting. Yeah, you're putting your body through a lot. Like, you're having to inject yourself with hormones every day. Your. Your eggs have to get to a certain size so that they can retrieve them. It's just a lie. The process is a lie.

[B]

I did not know this.

[D]

Mentally ready for it, and I don't think you can, like, do anything while you're doing it.

[A]

Like. Like what?

[B]

I can't pop no part.

[D]

Like drink. Okay, you don't pop perks either. Why are you saying.

[B]

Because I. I want to see them start rumors about me so I can argue with them.

[A]

You cannot pop a perk if you're.

[B]

Gonna freeze your damn.

[D]

You can't pop no perks. You can't drink no tequila. You can't do nothing.

[A]

You have to really be on the.

[D]

Oh, my 75 hard for however many months. I think it's like a two, three months process. Yeah, baby.

[B]

My eggs is boiled already. I don't know what I'm gonna get them.

[A]

I think. Yeah. At the end of the day too, I think, like, you know, it's great that we have this new technology, but also maybe it's just I'm not meant to have a child. Like, you know what I mean? Like, maybe that. And I'm okay with that. Like, if that ends up being my story. I have so many sisters. I feel like I've raised enough daughters at this point. It's okay. If I don't have kids. I don't have to necessarily.

[B]

I like that too, though. I'm like, if I have kids, great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I don't, it's okay.

[A]

It's okay. Yeah.

[D]

No, I be feeling like I want to have a kid so bad.

[B]

You can do it now.

[D]

But that's why I be kind of feeling the pressure, because I'm like, okay, you're 34. Like, if you do want to freeze your eggs, you know, they're like, oh, once you turn 35, it's a geriatric pregnancy. You need to use your 34 year old egg. So I'm like, do I want to?

[B]

But my mama had.

[A]

I have a sister who is 16 right now. So you can do it. It's possible. It is a higher risk pregnancy. But again, like, if that is what your destiny and your fate is, to have a baby at 44, then that's. That's your story. That's your dream. I know. I don't. I say my cutoff is 40, but also, who knows?

[B]

Same.

[A]

Who knows? What if you meet someone at 41, you're like, well, I want to have your baby.

[D]

Well, hopefully he have some because you won't do it. 41.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Running behind a kid and I don't know. I don't know. But I'm with you because my biological mom, she had me at 12, and then she had my little sister at 39. So I feel like if it's possible, you could do it, but. Oh, child 41 with a newborn.

[B]

I just feel like. But where you'll be at in life, it's like, you work out every day. You'll be fine. Them knees work. You'll be all right.

[A]

It's really the man. Like, who am I having. That's the big.

[B]

Never scared me.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The actual child has never scared me.

[D]

It's the men.

[A]

The left that I have to. Another.

[D]

I gotta talk to you every day.

[B]

Oh, God, don't make me do it. Don't make me do it. So okay.

[D]

With your mom, too? She had a little help because she had you already.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Built in nanny. My sister raised me, so it was like, very easy, you know, I was just like, okay, I got two mamas all the time. My mom couldn't be there. My sister. Your sister was there. I need some lunch money. She's like, did you call Mom? You're my mom.

[A]

Like, what do you mean?

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So, okay, so how do y' all feel? Are we in 2026? The. You know, this is the new year. Are we shooting our shot and being straightforward? Are we still kind of dropping Easter eggs, yes or no?

[A]

I want you to absolutely stop dropping Easter eggs and speak with your chest. You are a grown woman.

[D]

Shoot or shoot.

[A]

You are successful, you are beautiful, you're intelligent.

[B]

You are no more this.

[A]

You could do that, though. Like, somebody gonna be into that. Yeah. For real. We should leave with that.

[B]

Okay, I'm like this.

[A]

But the Easter egg thing, like, yeah, no, keep my eye. Because I don't like when Amanda does that to me. I don't. Don't Easter egg me, please. Just say what you mean. Mean what you say.

[B]

Okay, you right. Because I don't like Easter eggs when it's done to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I'm gonna see how it work. If it don't work, I'm finna text you. Like, that didn't work. Shut up, girl.

[D]

I was listening to you and I tried it, and that turned me down. He is about to turn you down. I know. Exactly. It is a lot of faces.

[A]

It's a whole lot.

[B]

It's a whole lot. All right, so now it's time to.

[D]

Get into the bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.

[B]

It's not me.

[A]

Into the bed. I'm scared.

[D]

The bed's not big.

[A]

The bed.

[B]

You is flexible. Don't get in the bed. You is flexible. And y' all know this episode is brought to you by Salt xo Shout out to everybody at the Salt XO team. Are you like a wellness girly and like you like body washes and all that stuff? We gonna send you home with one of these because honestly this is like I always say this every episode. Salt XO it makes your your be.

[D]

Like it's like like a mint.

[B]

It's real tingly, it's tingling, it cleanses it out. You know how you like you've been drinking all night night and you and you finally get home to brush your teeth and wash your mouth out and you're like I got that tequila off my breath. It's like yeah, it's like Listerine for.

[A]

Your Can I see the yeah, I don't Listerine.

[D]

It's the Listerine for that and they have different variations. Like we have one for sensitive vaginas. They have a regular one. They also have have the one with the seeds in it. Personally I like the one with the seeds in it cuz I like them seeds.

[B]

I feel like it cuz it munch on something.

[D]

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[B]

The pearls because it exfoliates. We going to send you home one.

[D]

We going to I love Salt XO Salt exo. Y' all know we love them and they also have a lot of other products too. Like they have wipes, they have vaginal rejuvenation oil that is good too lax. Love the cuche oil.

[B]

I love the oil but you know what like when I I am a skincare girl but sometimes I, I do but very lightly.

[A]

You use the coochie oil on your face.

[B]

Yes, but it, it's cuz it's natural ingredients. It's like oils in there. It's like natural oil. So I if it's good enough for the cooch, it's good for the face. That's what I'm saying. It helps make it strengthens your skin barrier. I'm so serious and I never said this online because I'm not an esthetician. I don't know low key. I had ran out of my moisturizer one time and I used that rejuvenation oil on my skin and I woke up the next morning and my skin felt so much better. I was like oh my gosh, you can use it on your face. So now when I can tell I'm using too many products and I break my skin barrier, I use that rejuvenation oil just a little bit on my face. Healed, done. Moving on. I'm telling you it's so good.

[D]

You're rejuvenate more than a pom pom.

[B]

Okay, so the bad topic today. Do y' all feel like y' all can go backwards in the bedroom? Like, say you did something in the bedroom and you like, I don't want to do this no more. Like, ah, no, I'm not that girl. I think it's certain things, even me, that I have spoken about and talked about. And people be like, there go that.

[A]

Girl that do that.

[B]

I don't do that no more. That's not me. That's not who I am. That is not my representative. I said something about. About eating ass a few times years ago. That was like four. That was like four ago, bro.

[D]

But you retired from.

[B]

Oh, my. I don't. Not that I've retired. Would I do it again? Yeah, but I don't eat my.

[A]

My.

[B]

The dude, I'm. He don't like that.

[D]

It's not currently a part of what.

[B]

I mean ass, bro.

[A]

But they.

[B]

But you will if I have to. It's rent due.

[D]

I don't like a little. A little ass intimidating.

[B]

But, bro, but I'm just saying, like, let me. Leave me alone, bro. They look at me like, oh, next freaky. She eat ass, bro. You need to fool her. She eats like a fairy. But I did before. But you just said you would do it again.

[A]

But if I had.

[B]

But just not right. But right. But I don't really. Like, is it a choice you would if I had a choice. I'm like, it's not nothing on my own ass eating. Yeah.

[A]

There's a quota, like if you want cross. Right, right.

[B]

If I'm a vegan.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Right.

[B]

And I eat meat one time. Just like, try it.

[D]

Yeah. Are you not still vegan?

[B]

And I go back to eating my plant based. I'm still a vegan.

[D]

Yeah, right. You got a good point.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm not no ass either.

[D]

But you are vegan once removed. So you definitely.

[B]

You a meat eating vegan. I'm just saying, bro. I cannot tell y'. All. It has been many, many moons. Yeah. Since I tasted that chocolate starfish.

[D]

But that's meat, though. So you definitely ain't vegan eating that.

[B]

But like, everybody. They still do that to me. Dre, who's everybody? The people in the comment. I told y' all read the comments. Kayla.

[A]

What it was it actually the men that you're really dating. Really?

[B]

Oh, no, not them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Not them. But it be the comments that, like, she ass, bro. Stop listening to her. And it be those exact men saying that that want Their ass. They want it. They be. They throwing at.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

That's what that is. That's what that is.

[D]

But I think that you introduce yourself like this.

[B]

You Right, Okay. So I'mma stop doing that. But I. I do feel like you can try things sexually. You shouldn't be defined by that.

[A]

I also think a good rule of thumb as well is whatever happens in the bedroom during the time that you're in that bedroom, please don't bring that outside of the bedroom. Like, don't get to repeating what I said when I was in. In them four walls in there. Don't try to talk. It's 12pm on a Thursday. Why are you texting me what I said to you?

[B]

My legs and I don't feel that way anymore.

[A]

I'm clear. The clear clarity is here. Don't bring that up.

[B]

Leave it in the bedroom.

[A]

That's cute. Like, oh, so you was like. I never said that.

[B]

I never said that. That makes me so.

[A]

That wasn't me.

[B]

Like, I had a situation a few months ago where, like, a guy sent us, like, a video. And mind you, I haven't talked to him in a long time. Why do you still have this?

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You.

[D]

A video of y'?

[A]

All?

[B]

Yes. He was like, good times. No, like, that's low key territory. I would be contacting my lawyer, authorities.

[D]

Yeah, I would have bought them.

[B]

I was so mad. I was so mad.

[A]

Did you know that he had that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. It was a good video. But we knew the camera. Yes, I have moved. Giving eye to the camera. I like this. I looked at the camera like this. It got to be more careful now. But no, I just feel like you.

[A]

Do.

[B]

Playing with me. But I think it's cuz I'm so friendly and I'm so nice in her life. This is tequila. You film it on your.

[A]

No, film it on your phone. Why are you letting him film anything on.

[D]

No, yeah, it's on your phone. I agree with that.

[B]

Dre has always been an advocate for.

[A]

That on your phone. If that is your.

[B]

Yeah, that's your.

[A]

You know, that's your little kinky. Put that on your phone.

[B]

Yeah. And I guess I just feel like. I don't know, but I just feel like if we're sharing an intimate moment, because it's like, that should stay between us. And once we moved on. Why do you want to hold on to this? That's weird, right? You have moved on.

[D]

But needless be weird, even he said.

[A]

Another something now, and he's still doubling back to send you that video.

[B]

You said what?

[A]

He's moved on to where?

[B]

I mean, he's. I think I would hope it was years ago. So, yeah, obviously he's moved on.

[A]

You know, I didn't have anxiety from that. That would drive me crazy.

[B]

No, I'm just like, if you post it, that's gonna give me more followers. Maybe people are tuning into the.

[A]

It's good work.

[B]

You're like, honestly, it was one of my best performances, if I must say so myself. It was giving Beyonce at the Super Bowl.

[A]

Hello.

[B]

Yeah, it was a good performance. I was so mad that I watched it. I said, hey, as a matter of fact. But that's not who I am. And I do think it is who you are.

[A]

A virgin. A virgin.

[B]

At the end of the day, I like to say that I don't like when people categorize me, like, about things that you've done sexually in the bedroom. You know what I'm saying? So I do. See, this is why. Oh, that's crazy. This is why I flipped the whole card. I was like, this blank.

[D]

That is why you don't need no more tequila.

[B]

However.

[D]

Pass me that glorious.

[B]

Okay. We gonna.

[A]

We.

[B]

We. We gonna move on, y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

We gonna move on. So the bad we say you can move on from past experience.

[A]

Experiences.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. So y' all don't look at me like an ass eater.

[D]

I personally do look at you, but.

[A]

I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think.

[B]

I'm trying to think.

[D]

But I know you, Trina. I feel like ass is a crazy thing to get into. I feel like once you get in there, you in there.

[B]

Take me through the.

[A]

Take me.

[D]

Yeah, but I don't think you would like. It's not your Persona.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

Even if it was, I don't feel like I would judge you for it. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

I ain't mad at it. I mean, I feel like one day I will join the ranks for the right man. With my husband, I always say, okay.

[B]

Maybe, and you got to kiss it first.

[D]

You don't think so? Not for you.

[A]

You be like, this has to be my husband.

[D]

I think I.

[B]

It.

[D]

I think for me, it has to be my husband. He got to put a ring. If he like it, then he put.

[B]

A ring on it. She getting tonight. She trying to eat.

[D]

Trying to eat that, boo.

[A]

I did not say that.

[B]

I didn't say that. Okay, okay. We gonna move on. We gonna move on. So we say your sexual past does not define you. But now it's time. Time to get into the bop.

[D]

Hey, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.

[B]

So the bop of the week is like whatever song, music, anything that we've been jamming this week, y', all, we have been cutting up so bad. This is fun. So my bop of the week is actually a girl from Charleston and she has been going crazy on TikTok. You know, Auntie keep her ears to the streets. Her name is Trim. And she kind of like people are. It's a big debate going on about her right now because at least like she sounds like. Like old Nikki and she really does. So she has a song called Twerk on the Boat. And it's such a cute, like, fun song. And I feel like it's the perfect time. Cuz y' all know spring ain't that far away.

[A]

It's nice.

[B]

And I want to talk on about. Come on, Spring. I want to. Talking about about. It's such a cute bop. I'mma play it to y' all after. So that's my bop of the week. Trim. Twerk on a boat. Shout out to you, girl. I want her to perform at one of our shows.

[A]

Yeah, big trim.

[B]

Yeah, shout out to you, Big trim.

[A]

Come on, Trim.

[B]

All right. What you doing? Been listening to Dr. You know, I have.

[D]

We talked about Summer Walker album. I can't remember.

[A]

Yeah, we did.

[B]

We did.

[D]

Okay, little baby.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Got a new album, the Leaks.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

And he got this song called Mrs. Trendsetter. I love that song. But I was also a big little baby stand back in the day. So I'm just so glad that he's putting music out again. But yeah, I love this song.

[A]

Is cute.

[D]

You heard it? I have listening to Kyla.

[A]

I've been listening to some real emo stuff.

[D]

What's going on?

[A]

Wait, hold on.

[B]

I love emo songs.

[A]

Okay, not that emo. Hold on, wait. Olivia Dean. I wanted to make sure I got her name right.

[B]

Grand.

[A]

She's the exact.

[B]

It's a.

[D]

It's a bomb. We like that too.

[A]

I like her. I like her a lot.

[B]

I love when the British girls sing. That accent goes out the window.

[D]

Isn't that weird?

[B]

They say it. It's time to sing.

[A]

Yes. Get to this bag. What you mean chips?

[D]

What you mean? No.

[A]

I'm going to give you full. I've been in America my whole life.

[B]

Whoa. It's kind of crazy.

[D]

That be sounding like a Southern grandmother.

[B]

They do. They like come in. That's how she be saying.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So much soul. So much soul. Shout out to Olivia.

[A]

Yeah, that's been already.

[B]

Love her, dad. What we got next, Dre? My phone did.

[D]

Okay, so now it's time for us to get into pour your heart out. So make sure if y' all have any questions, y' all send them to ask for mines Gmail dot com. That's at P O U R M I N D S Gmail dot com. Send us your testimonials, send us your questions.

[B]

Are we gonna do it for the shot line this week? And shout out to Taylor Port. All right, what we got, Shay?

[D]

So I'm currently 20 years old. I'm gonna be 21 in, like, three months or whatever.

[B]

And I just started college after taking.

[D]

A two year gap.

[B]

And I always wanted to know, like, for other people, not just, like, as far as, like, college or trying to educate yourself, but just trying to be a better adult in general.

[D]

How do you keep yourselves from, like.

[B]

Feeling like you're not doing enough, or when you guys were younger, like, how did you keep yourselves from feeling discouraged or feeling like a failure or feeling like you weren't as ahead of the game as you were supposed to be? And how do you keep yourself from comparing yourself to other people? Well, I honestly, my heart goes out to her because times were different. When I was in my 20s, none of us was doing. And the Internet wasn't like a thing, so even the. The people who were doing a lot, it wasn't shown a lot. It wasn't. We didn't know what the other girls that were doing that were, like, making money, being business owners. It was just a different time.

[D]

We was wearing Toms and Sperry's and we thought we had that on.

[B]

Yes, it was just a different time. Remember? No, for sure.

[A]

Remember times. For sure, for sure, for sure.

[D]

Balenciaga, first day of school. We don't come from that time.

[B]

No, we don't at all. So I think the best thing that you can do is just focus on your own journey and understand, I always say this, Your journey is for you. God has some people, their journey is supposed to be they pop off at 20, 21, and they have 10 years of, like, greatness. Five years, two years, whatever. And maybe your time might not come to your 45, but you have to understand that your path is for you, because comparison is a thief of joy. I spent a lot of time in my late 20s. It didn't happen to me in my earliest, in my late 20s when I moved to Atlanta specifically. And I was like, look at this girl. She got this. She got that she got. Why don't I have none of that? You know what I'm saying? And then it was just like, you know what? Take a step back and lean into your faith. You know what I'm saying? Like, your faith has to be stronger than your doubt and focus on your path and who you are and go on your route. And then I, like, I looked up and I'm like, I'm having my way. God is blessing me. So when I stopped comparing myself to a lot of these other people that was selling that thing or you don't know what people are doing for their money. You don't know what people are doing behind closed doors. So even. Even if they are putting on Front street what they do, you don't know what they had to do to get there.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

This was a long, hard road to. I mean, you can attest for. You've been working for a long time. We all have. It's a long, hard road. So a lot of y' all are just seeing the successful part, the fun part. Y' all didn't see me, Andrea, going through the trenches and doing exactly. You know what I'm saying? So you have to stop looking at other people, first of all, like, that's what you have to do.

[A]

Yeah. Social media is legitimately a highlight reel. It's unfortunate. It's a major tool that you can use to your benefit, but also, it can really hinder you. It can make you feel like you're not doing enough, you're not successful enough. I'm not where I should be because I've done X, Y, and Z. Why is she there in that position and not me? Like you said, comparison thief or joy. I completely agree. I also think, too, at that age, at 20, I thought that there was a blueprint to be successful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I looked to people in positions like Oprah, people who had the job that I wanted to get, and I thought that, okay, if I do what they did, I'll get to where they're at, which is just not true anymore. A gift and a curse in a lot of ways. I think you have to create your blueprint, and it's okay to have people that you respect. I think it's an issue when you start to idolize people in their journey. I think it's important to say, like, okay, this is someone who's doing what I like that they're doing. Let me see how they got there, and take what applies to you in your life. I don't think that you have to stick to a blueprint I really, really thought if I do all of the things and I intern at the right places and I work the right job, one plus one is two. I'm gonna get to where I'm supposed to be. But that's just not how life works.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you have to release that expectation on yourself, keep your head down, and not also feel like you have to share every move that you're making on social media, too. I think at 20, probably for this person is like, they think that, okay, well, if I don't post this week that I had this job or I had this success story, it's not happening in real life. Keep your head down, keep grinding, keep working. And that's what matters more than anything, not the Internet.

[D]

I agree with that. I think thief, I mean, comparison is the thief of joy. And then also figure out your why. Like, that's something that I always say.

[B]

Come on now.

[D]

No, seriously, though, figure out.

[A]

Yeah, there's longevity in that. Yeah.

[D]

Why do you want to do what you claim you want to do? What is your passion for it? Like, what's the real reason behind it? Is it because you see other people online living a life that you feel like living or what you want, or is this really what you want for yourself? Like, you need to find yourself and figure out what your why is. And I think it'll be easier for you to stop comparing your journey to other people's journey once you know why you're doing what you want to do, essentially. So, yeah, that's what I do.

[B]

That was a word.

[D]

You know I'd be preaching, Libby.

[B]

Okay, y', all. Y' all know we gotta do the. The carry up. Wait, do we wanna let people know where they can find you, what you got coming up and all that good stuff? Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Please support my podcast, the pregame. You guys can find that on Instagram. Welcome to the pre game. Also on. On YouTube, my personal page is at. I'm Kayla Nicole and you know the new year is going to bring all the things my brand, Tribe Therapy. I'm going to be dropping some fitness workout apparel, which I'm really, really excited about.

[B]

I've been working there go your brand ambassador right there.

[A]

Oh, no, please.

[D]

I will send you a package. I send you one too, for my cosmetics brand.

[A]

Please, please. That's all the things Tribe Therapy you can find on that page. It's tribe T R I B E and it's spelled phonetically.

[B]

T H E E R E P.

[A]

I am Kayla Nicole is my personal page. And yes, for all Things. Love that.

[B]

I had fun today. That was really good episode.

[A]

You guys really have stuff. I'm excited about tonight.

[B]

We're gonna have a good time. We having fun tonight. We having fun tonight. Okay, so we end the song with a car. Do you know what song you want to do? You said you knew what I thought we should do.

[A]

Tony Braxton. Who? What's the song called?

[D]

Which one that?

[A]

I like it.

[B]

He was Halloween. That's right. Another favorite song.

[D]

That's my favorite song.

[B]

Can I ask you a question?

[A]

Spotify Rap Top 100 every year.

[B]

What was your motivation for your Halloween costume? Cuz every year you do a. A grand costume. What was the motivation? Last year I did Sierra.

[A]

This year we did Tony. It was just. It was a banger. It was a bop. I feel like it just spoke to me. And also, like, I had the wardrobe. It was between Tony and Beyonce, and the Beyonce look that I was going to do was going to require way more effort and time. So it just kind of like everything lined up.

[B]

Love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You want to start it off?

[A]

Oh, no.

[D]

I think we should let our guest do the honor.

[A]

Acapella.

[B]

Yeah, we do it.

[A]

Acapella.

[B]

You say last.

[A]

Here we go.

[C]

You ready?

[B]

Wait. Dog shy. Yeah. Blazing girl, who do you think I am? Don't you know that he love me?

[A]

But I chose to let him know.

[B]

When you said I didn't want it to work but you forget I had.

[A]

A but you stop playing me. You wasn't man enough on me. No, no. Now here's your chance.

[B]

What are you thinking? Do you know I'm like, do you know? Husband, girlfriend. I'm not thinking about about him. But you married him. Do you know I made him leave? Do you know he better stay with me? He wasn't man enough for me. Tony, shout out to my girl Coming.

[D]

To LA soon, by the way.

[B]

Hit us up now we're ready.

[D]

We ready.

[B]

So y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

Oh, make sure she going to teach us.

[B]

Yeah, we do.

[A]

Come on. Hello.

[B]

Man, y' all go follow my girl. Kay mc and we'll see y' all next week.

[A]

Bye, y'. All.

[B]

Sam.

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[D]

Guaranteed Human.