Our last PF conversation left us hungry for more. Sure, it’s great to hear how two chaotic coders — er, talented thought leaders — are using AI to build products. But what about genuinely top-tier engineers? Are their lives any different?

So we asked two elite developers — both named Andrew, of course — to weigh in. Please welcome:

* Andrew Briz, editorial director of newsroom engineering at POLITICO

* Andrew Milligan, full-stack engineer at Earth Genome

Briz and Milligan are the fellas that other engineers call when they can’t figure out why their code is crashing. (McGill definitely did when they all worked at POLITICO together). In this episode, we discuss:

* The tools they’re using (and what they think is overhyped)

* How AI is changing how they collaborate with other engineers

* The “Google Maps” effect, or how relying on technology always comes with a cost

Plus, we read TWO original limericks honoring listeners who left reviews on Apple Podcasts. (If you want your own, write a review!)

Mentioned in this episode:

* Zed – open-source code editor

* Cursor

* Cursor bug bot

* Codex

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