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Product Journeys
Hosted by Fran Gleisner and Lauchlan Robertson · EN
We are Product Managers based in Wellington, New Zealand. We want to inspire Product Managers on their product journey. Every couple of weeks we invite a product person to tell us about how they got into product and to share some gold nuggets they have found on that journey.
Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
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Season 2 Wrapped feat. Tokes, Fran and Lauchie [uncut]
Dec 22, 202400:54:09Tap to summarizeThe final episode for Season 2 featuring Andrew "Tokes" Tokeley in conversation with Fran and Lauchlan. Enjoy our take aways and final thoughts from the 10 episodes in Season Two. Thank you to all our guests and listeners! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Elizabeth Griffiths: product on the bleeding edge of technology
Dec 1, 202400:30:30Tap to summarizeIn today's episode with Elizabeth Griffiths, CEO of NFT.Storage, we dive into web3 and how product management can be applied to a emerging space. Elizabeth explains the evolution of the internet to Web3, emphasizing the significance of owning digital assets and the decentralized ledger system of blockchain. The discussion also touches upon the potential societal benefits of these technologies, such as improving voting systems and medical records management. The episode highlights the challenges and the excitement of working with cutting-edge technology and emphasizes the importance of following one's passion, exploring new opportunities, and continuous learning. Elizabeth shares her experiences and insights, offering valuable advice for those interested in Web3 and the broader tech landscape. Key points: Introduction to Web3 and the evolution of the internet. The problems digital ownership and decentralization through blockchain technology can solve and how it might just change the world we know. The value of taking risks and seizing opportunities in one’s career. Complexities and learning curve associated with working in the new industries Read: Read, Write, Own by Chris Dixon Listen: Bankless, Overprice Jpegs with Carly Riley and Green Pill ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Ross Howard: process design & innovation is product management
Nov 17, 202400:32:21Tap to summarizeIn this episode we chat to Ross Howard, CPO at Tradify. Ross brings his graphic design and creative director background as a lens to Product Management. He talks about his experience with products that fail and when you know to pull the plug. We focus mostly on innovation and why it's so important to design processes that are specific to your company, your culture and your product. Some things to put on your read and listen list: Read: The Mac is Not a Typewriter by Robin P. Williams Listen: Lenny's podcast Listen: Sharp Tech and Stratechery by Ben Thompson Enjoy this episode and get in touch with any questions or comments! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Bridget Cowie: the art of pragmatism with Product practice
Nov 3, 202400:33:01Tap to summarizeI'm sure we've all read these great product books and thought I wish that's how my company operated. In today's episode with Bridget Cowie we explore how leaning into the messy and fast paced aspects of a job could be exactly how bringing 'ideal product management' to life feels. We explore how being pragmatic with your approach and being okay to iterate and make changes over time is key to building trust and helping a growing business achieve it's goals! Some key points: Good product isn't alway good product Doing things by the book isn't always the best and a slow iteration to meet the needs you have and solve problems is important Change only moves at the speed of trust. Build empathy with your founders and leaders and then work to share that trust and context with the great people on your team Read: John Cutler's The beautiful mess Listen: Product thinking with Melissa Perri ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Para Muraleedharan: why is the rung from GM to CPO the biggest jump in the ladder?
Oct 20, 202400:28:49Tap to summarizeListen to our episode with Para Muraleedharan, who currently leads two product companies under the Evercommerce portfolio: Timely in ANZ and SalonBiz in the US. Para walks through the product ladder from PO to PM to GM to CPO. Her insights are invaluable as she describes the changes she experienced at each step, with the biggest being GM to CPO level. This is a great round-up to previous episodes in the season, bringing back similar themes of the differences between the C-suite and working within a specific area. Some things to put on your read and listen list: Read: Playing to win by A.G. Lafley, and Roger L. Martin Read: Turn the ship around! by L. David Marquet Listen: Diary of a CEO and Lenny's podcast Enjoy this episode and get in touch with any questions or comments! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Bec Sweeney: is curiosity driving your career?
Oct 6, 202400:33:56Tap to summarizeToday we're talking with Bec Sweeney, an amazing product leader about how curiosity can be an incredible tool for you to focus on. "That feeling of being in the grey is a good thing, and the more we can try and navigate it through kind of solid curiosity, and again, harnessing that curiosity, I think is where the magic lies" Some key points: We'll explore how deliberate curiosity plays are role in a product leaders success. We discuss when going deep on a topic is useful and when to bring yourself back up again. How your approach needs to change as you level up and move into management positions. The benefits of being genuinely interested the problems you're solving and how you can add value to your business. How following curiosity and seeking to disrupt the 'typical' career path can yield great results Read: Escaping the build trap by Melissa Perri ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Andrew "Tokes" Tokeley: product leadership aspirations and connecting CPOs
Sep 22, 202400:33:27Tap to summarizeToday we have the pleasure of sharing with you our conversation with Product Leadership Coach Andrew Tokeley, known by everyone as "Tokes". Tokes is well known in the Aotearoa Product Community. He launched ProductTank Wellington and is chair of Product Aotearoa. His claim to fame is being the first Product Manager at Xero back in the day. He is currently focusing on Product Leaders in Aotearoa and developing a network of CPOs across the country. We dig into this and more in the episode! Some things to put on your read and listen list: Read: The VP Product Role (M. Cagan) Listen: Unconformable Conversations with Josh Szeps Listen: Left, Right & Center Listen: Diary of a CEO We hope you enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Corinna Stukan: does data drive your organisation?
Sep 9, 202400:36:07Tap to summarizeIn this episode we welcome Corinna Stukan to talk about the topic of data! Corinna is the author of The Insights Driven Product Manager: Master Product Metrics And Uncover True Data Insights.Gumroad - ebookAmazon - paperback or Kindle We have an amazing conversation that explore some of the many complexities around making great decisions as a product person using data. Some key areas we explore are: Understanding the value your products are delivering and how you can prove that through data. How data can help you make good decisions as a PM. What are the ways you should approach setting up a data culture. What are some common pitfalls and how can you avoid vanity metrics. The key metrics you should pay attention to for your business Read: Zero to One by Peter Thiel Listen: ReThinking with Adam Grant We hope you enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Anthony Marter: what keeps your CPO up at night?
Aug 25, 202400:33:48Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Product Journeys, we speak to Product Leader and Consultant Anthony Marter. on the topic of business acumen and his work to bring Product Leaders in Aotearoa together. Anthony is chair of Product Aotearoa and co-founder of ProductTank Auckland. Anthony spoke at ProductTank Auckland with Melissa Firth, who we interviewed in Season 1, Episode 42. Listen to their talk: World Product Day - Getting real on commercial acumen. Some of the key takeaways from this conversation: How to start thinking about business acumen and some small steps to begin learning and flexing that muscle Bridging the gap between Product Leaders and the Exec Table Why solving organisational problems is key for Product to thrive Read: Turn the Ship Around by L. David Marquet Listen: One Knight in Product Podcast We hope you enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Andy Hovey: the brains trust and giggly demos
Aug 11, 202400:31:46Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Product Journeys, hosts Fran Gleisner and Lauchlan Robertson go on a journey with Andy Hovey, from Xero to Xerra (but not yet Xerox), and dipping into the Andes on the back of a bike. Andy has worked on websites, apps and software for over two decades. He’s currently the Chief Product Officer at Starboard, a ~25 person company making geospatial maritime software that governments buy to tackle issues like illegal fishing, biosecurity risks and smuggling at sea. Previously he’s led teams designing software that’s used by millions of people around the globe at technology companies like Xero and Amazon. He’s an enthusiastic but slow cyclist that likes long cycle touring trips and exploring the limits of what’s possible in ultra-endurance bikepacking races. In this episode we dig into how to think about high performing teams (described as dots), how to think about impact that doesn't involve just shipping a feature, and how great features take many many many many small changes. What you'll learn: Why it's worth potentially expanding beyond your Job Description (JD) Using OKRs to drive collaboration in a company How feedback and collaboration can be combined Giggly demos and why it's important to just play with your product Read & listen: Creative Selection by Ken Kocienda Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull The mom test Gibson Biddle on Medium Sam Harris and Lex Fridman podcasts We hope you enjoy! Please follow us and share with your colleagues and network. We've got an exciting season ahead so make sure you subscribe on your platform of choice! ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers. Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park RemixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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