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Will Royal
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Podcast Host
Hey, everyone. Welcome to the podcast. Today you're going to hear part of my conversation with Will Royal, founder and CEO of promotix. In this clip, Will shares how one simple change led to an 8% increase in conversions. It's called the Promised Land Effect. And. And it's one of the easiest quick wins you can implement. Today we also dive into the psychology behind why this works and how even changing a single word in your signup flow can boost conversions. This is just one tactic from our full conversation. If you want to hear all three low effort, high impact strategies that helped will grow Promotix to $25,000 monthly recurring revenue, check out the full episode. That's episode 260. All right, let's jump in. Can you share more about the Promised Land of faq?
Will Royal
Yeah, sure. So, you know, one of the other things that I pulled from one of your sessions that we were in was this concept of the Promised land. And the promised land is the idea that you can give them a little taste by blurring out, let's say, the dashboard of your product on the signup page so that they feel like they're almost there, right? That they, if they just fill out that signup form, they will remove that signup form and the dashboard will become clear and they can actually look at the product that they want so badly to see. And we had, we had an image that was what we thought was something that was emotionally engaging. It was, you know, image from a concert, let's say a band on stage playing, you know, and it talked about, you know, a little blurb that talked about selling tickets to events and, and the signup page. But we again ran an A B test because I don't like to just throw, even if, even if it comes from us, and I know it's proven, I want to see what is the impact to our business. And so we ran an A B test. We sent about 29,000 users to both the A version and the B version, our original version as well as the Promised Land version. And we saw an 8% increase in conversions just with the Promised Land. And so it was like, well, we can remove the emotional image. We can remove the little blurb of text we thought was going to convince people to sign up and just show them a blurry version of the dashboard and voila, more signups. So that was another great quick win. And it was incredibly easy. It didn't take us any development time at all. I mean, literally, we switched out an image that we were using. And so when we talk about quick wins. I mean, it was like a drag and drop and overwrite the file and it's done, you know, so, so, and that's a lot. When you talk about 8% increase in conversions, you know, that's a lot. Like if you take a conversion rate, you know, from 4%, I do this kind of exercise with people all the time. But if you take a conversion rate from 4% to 6%, for example, that's not a 2% lift, right? That's a 50% lift in what's going through that spot, which means 50% more users, 50% more traffic or revenue, let's say. And it could be even more profitable revenue depending upon your margins or if you got some fixed costs associated. So conversion rate optimization has been huge for us and I like to test everything that we do around here for that reason.
Podcast Host
Then, you know it works, right?
Will Royal
That's right. And we know it works and we feel super confident. And then I can refer you last to everybody I know because it's like, yeah, man, this guy gives us great suggestions. Totally.
Podcast Host
And why do you think that promised line effect works?
Will Royal
I think it's the curiosity gap, right? It's like, I'm almost there. That's, that's really what it is, right? I'm almost there. And, and then I think this kind of ties into, you know, another subject which is removing friction and making sure that those signup forms require as little as possible to get some, a user in. But they can see that, like, man, if I just fill out this, this little bit, my create my account, my, my username and password or whatever it may be that you're requiring of them and I click this button, then I'm going to be there. And so they feel like they're farther down the line and they're almost there. Whereas if you're not showing that they really don't know what's beyond that screen, or they may believe there's more beyond that screen that they're going to have to do fill out. This is going to take some time. And so there's a curiosity gap that's created and it also makes them feel like they're much further down the funnel, let's say to completion and getting to their goal, which is to see what your product looks like. I mean, that's what they're, they're doing if they're at that stage at that point. Totally.
Podcast Host
Yeah. It definitely increases motivation too. So I can share. This weekend I was doing this half marathon race and there was no clear ending in Sight like, I looking at my watch, I'm like, I'm already at 21. What the heck? They're making us run longer. So I was like, okay, pushing it already demotivated, like, I'm done technically, but this, they had like this long street and then you had to like tons of people on the right and then you had to like turn right and then there was the like, finish line and there was like 15, 20ft before you hit it. I'm like, oh, this sucks. Because, like, had I known, I would have pushed it way more, but I was just like, super demotivated because you just don't see the end result. And so I just love races like that because when you think of like user psychology, you're just like, it's safe. Same thing applies if people see that finish line of like, oh, I'm going to get enough product, I'm going to push it. And that often comes to, you know, whether it's that 8 or 10% more, people like putting in that little extra effort to go through it. In this case, it's not like running a lot more, but it's like, okay, I'll fill out this couple forms and, and take the next step on that ends. And that's a mini little finish line for them.
Will Royal
Speaking of my signup flow, it reminds me too, like, so we have like three steps. There's the username password, then we ask if you're an event organizer or an attendee. That's really important for us as to kind of what dashboard we're going to put you in. And if you're an event organizer, we have to collect your company name. And that's, that's something else that we use later down the road. But on that last step for company name, it's just one small field and we used to have the button below. It never changed. And so it said next, which would take you to the dashboard. We got another point or two. I can't remember exactly what it was. It wasn't huge. It wasn't like the 8% at the very front end or the 40% we had before, but we got another point or two by changing next to finished. So it was just like, just to let them know, like, this is the last little thing you got to do to get there, rather than making them think there's maybe a fourth step, let's say. So that, that was big too. I mean, one word change to get another. Another point out of it is huge. Yeah.
Podcast Host
And it makes sense though, right?
Will Royal
And these are the things that get overlooked sometimes in the design process or the initial development process. You just don't, don't really think about it yet.
Podcast Host
Yeah, most people don't spend too much time on the micro copy. It's like, oh, it's all design and everything. It's like. But no, people are reading and they want to know like how many steps are left. That's why I'm big fan of like progress trackers and everything else like that. Like, oh, am I like 30% of the way there? 50, 60? Show me some progress.
Will Royal
I mean to our designer's point, Next also makes sense. You click next and then you go to the dashboard. But for the, for the psychology of the user who's signing up, finished makes a lot more sense. So totally.
Podcast Host
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Episode: How One Image Change Increased Signups by 8% (The Promised Land Effect)
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Wes Bush
Guest: Will Royal, Founder and CEO of Promotix
This episode centers on a powerful yet simple tactic that increased signups by 8% for Promotix: the "Promised Land Effect." Will Royal explains how swapping one image on their signup page drove a meaningful conversion lift, unpacks the psychology behind this effect, and describes the impact of small copy changes on user motivation. The discussion is practical, rooted in real A/B test results, and focused on quick wins in conversion rate optimization.
Concept Introduction ([00:58]):
Will Royal introduces the "Promised Land Effect":
Practical Implementation ([01:53]):
"We can remove the emotional image... and just show them a blurry version of the dashboard and voila, more signups." ([02:19])
Impact of Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) ([02:38]):
Will explains the math behind the win:
"Conversion rate optimization has been huge for us and I like to test everything that we do around here for that reason." ([03:15])
Curiosity Gap and Motivation ([03:42]):
Will credits the effect to the curiosity gap:
"There's a curiosity gap that's created, and it also makes them feel like they're much further down the funnel... which is to see what your product looks like." ([04:18])
Anecdote from Host ([04:44]):
Wes Bush compares this to running a race without knowing where the finish line is:
"...if people see that finish line of like, oh, I’m going to get into the product, I’m going to push it. And that often comes to whether it’s that 8 or 10% more, people like putting in that little extra effort to go through it." ([05:32])
Streamlining the Signup Flow ([05:55]):
Will shares another CRO insight:
"Just to let them know, like, this is the last little thing you got to do to get there... One word change to get another point out of it is huge." ([06:22])
Design vs. Copy ([07:01]):
Both agree subtle copy changes are often overlooked, but have outsized impact.
Will Royal: > "For the psychology of the user who's signing up, 'finished' makes a lot more sense. Totally." ([07:20])
"We can remove the emotional image... and just show them a blurry version of the dashboard and voila, more signups."
— Will Royal, [02:19]
"There's a curiosity gap that's created, and it also makes them feel like they're much further down the funnel... which is to see what your product looks like."
— Will Royal, [04:18]
"If people see that finish line of like, oh, I’m going to get enough product, I’m going to push it... In this case, it’s not like running a lot more, but it’s like, okay, I’ll fill out this couple forms and, and take the next step on that end."
— Wes Bush, [05:32]
"One word change to get another point out of it is huge."
— Will Royal, [06:22]
This episode is filled with actionable insights for anyone looking to optimize product onboarding and drive user signups through small but strategic UX and copy changes.