Joseph Kelly & Patrick Ryan have given decades of their life to helping families and loved ones who find themselves in an unhealthy group of high control / high demand. They are both internationally renowned cult mediation specialists, and have also been known as cult intervention specialists, thought reform consultants, or exit counselors. Joseph F. Kelly, a graduate of Temple University (focus in religion), spent 14 years in two different eastern meditation groups (TM, International Society of Divine Love). He contributed a chapter to Captive Hearts, Captive Minds. He was (2010-2014) the News Desk Editor of ICSA Today. Patrick Ryan (BA in Interdisciplinary Studies, Maharishi International University) is the founder and former head of TM-Ex, the organization of one-time members of the Transcendental Meditation (TM) movement. He is also one of the AFF associates whose advice to law enforcement officials might, had it been heeded, have helped avert the Waco debacle. He also shares part of his experience in "Recovery from Cults", edited by Michael D. Langone. Both Pat and Joe have facilitated many ICSA workshops for ex-members and families (1996-2018). They both lecture extensively on cult-related topics and have also contributed to writing about related topics amidst which is their co-authoring of "Ethical Standards for Thought Reform Consultants," published in ICSA's Cultic Studies Journal. Check out the Cult Mediation website at: cultmediation.com I also came across a VICE article which is where the social media post images came from: March 2021These Former Cult Members Now Help Others Escape:https://www.vice.com/en/article/3anxnw/former-cult-members-help-escape-exit-counsellor-intervention-conspiracy-theories Our podcast features a beautiful song by Jaia Suri called, "Leaving the Cult". Subscribe to Jaia Suri on Spotify and access the song here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0d8WYUM6qo8LEO5mviIauB?si=cuDxfcBmQPeutbg153oeWg&nd=1 If you feel moved to support Jaia's music, please join her Patreon subscribers at: https://www.patreon.com/JaiaSuriMusic Jennifer specializes in working with survivors of coercive control. She is trained in a specialized approach that is research-based and rooted in the work of Dr. Gillie Jenkinson. She has a Masters in the Psychology of Coercive Control and functions as an expert witness in such cases. Jennifer is also a research associate at Salford University. For more information, please visit her website, Jennifer-French.com. Follow Jennifer on social media at: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jennifermonica.holcomb Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.french.jfh/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr6Ufd0I7My6dumbTpQwn8A/playlists If you would like to be on the Project Hope Podcast or have any inquiries regarding the show, please email, projecthopepodcast@jennifer-french.com.