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The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Hello, I'm Gary Stearman. Welcome to Prophecy Watchers. With me at the table today are a couple of guys that are going to engage in a conversation that you will not want to miss. Mondo Gonzalez, will you introduce our guest?
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Yes. We have the privilege of talking with Avi Lipkin and we, we want to get to some of the nitty gritty that has been part of, I would say, modern Israel's history as well as anything else. But to help understand where we're at today, based on the last few years, which I think you'll find this quite enlightening. So, Avi, for those in our audience that might not know you, give us a little background about who you are.
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Okay. I have to say, I'm a very mixed up person. My grandparents were from Russia, Poland. They emigrated to Argentina. My parents grew up in Argentina. Spanish is my mother tongue. Argentine, Spanish. Then they moved to America. I was raised in America, born in America, went to American public school. So English is my mother language. I went to Hebrew school, so Hebrew is my mother language. I married a woman from Egypt who was an intelligence gatherer. And that's of course in my nine books. So I'm an Arabic speaker. I studied Russian, Sovietology. All these things fit together as one package. When I'm talking, I'm very radiated by different cultures and different languages. But above all, I love God. I'm a Jew who loves Christians. I think I love Christians more than Christians love Christians. And because I am a Jew, I don't say, well, are you a Southern Baptist or a Northern Baptist? You know the difference?
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Oh, yeah.
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Northern Baptists go to hell. Of course, that's a Texas joke. And I love everybody. And I'm the founder of a Judeo Christian Bible block party in Israel. We've already contended in five elections. We are now contending for our sixth election on October 27th. I've come out with a second book on the party. 20 years since the writing of my first book. So this is not a pipe dream, this is a work in progress. And I'm predicting, bottom line, that there will be many, many Jews and Christian spouses moving to Israel. We will double our population. And the Bible block party, my party, God willing, will be the biggest party in the Israeli political system. And if my wife doesn't kill me, I'll be the prime minister.
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That's a good vision.
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You know, Mondo, there is a sort of mass confusion in the world right now about who relates to whom. And in what way do they relate? Foreign policy, politics, global politics are mixed up. The Middle east is hot one day, a little bit cool the next day. And American politics has inserted its ugly head into the Middle east as well as many other complicating factors. And Avi Lipkin is the man that I believe can unscramble the egg because things are confusing. Who is dominant in the Middle east right now? Who will be dominant in the near future? How is this war going to end up? And what about our president? Avi, speak at your leisure, because there's a lot to talk about.
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Well, you know, on that, for the sake of all the stuff going on, I would almost like to go in reverse order in the sense of the giving, having you give us an update of, like right now, what's happening, especially let's say over the last three weeks or even the last 60 days, and then kind of go back to see how that thing, how it changed with October 7th. So, like right now, obviously, there's many in Israel that don't seem to be happy with Trump's latest interactions with Iran. And the memorandum of understanding, what's the feel right now? Because generally, Trump has been very well liked for the last six since his first administration. Has anything changed right now in the last 60 days?
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Firstly, I have to say that you and I and Gary Stearman are not the president of the United States, not the prime minister of Israel, and we really know nothing about what is going on in the military intelligence and what are the plans of the president. I believe that Netanyahu, in spite of all the hype, that they curse each other and they yell at each other, you know, I'm from New York. I love President Trump, and if I were with him, we would be having a beer. I hope that those who don't drink alcohol won't be angry.
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Beers aren't going to be too bad.
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And we would be having a blast. And we would be cursing each other and yelling at each other's good friends. Cursing each other. And it's all taken in very nice spirits. President Trump is the greatest president in American history. America was in a rapid dive to its. He was saying Israel would be destroyed without President Trump. I say American would be destroyed without President Trump. I think that Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump are totally synchronized and they have a total understanding. He says he's not for regime change. He is for regime change. This is my guess who?
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Trump.
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Trump.
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Okay.
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He says no. He also says Erdogan is a good friend of his.
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Exactly.
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How could Adolf Hitler be your best friend? You know, so there's a lot of show and tell going on here. And in war, many times you have to have fog, you have sure, you know, smoke bombs and you don't put
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your plans out there. Right. Transparency.
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You heard what Trump said. I don't tell these journalists what I'm going to do.
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Exactly.
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And many of the journalists are very hostile anyway to patriotism, to Christianity, to supporting Israel. So firstly, I'm a believer that we are getting very, very close to the overthrow of the Iranian regime. I believe Iran will be an ally of the United States like it was under the Shah for the Jewish people. We have always been friendly with the Iranian people, the Persian people, the Iranian people. I think we will be friendly with them again. From what I understand, this is a bloody proposition because what I heard is that 30% of the population opposes the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. 30% have no view and 30% are pro IRGC. So this is going to come down to a civil war in Iran. I, from what I understand and have good reason to say it, American boots are on the ground, Israeli boots are on the ground in Iran. We are training the Iranian people, we are giving them arms and we're getting ready for the right moment. And one morning we're all going to wake up and that regime is gone, I believe.
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So there's wisdom, and this is kind of what we've talked about a lot, is that there's wisdom in not reacting to the show and tell. That's a good way to say it in the media. And many people, I've seen many people react and they give comments, you know, Trump has betrayed Israel. And it's like, well, hey, wait and see. Don't just react. Like you said, none of us are on the inside understanding the intelligence, which is, I mean, a million times more than what we have. So that is very good counsel to sit back and wait. Because what I find interesting too is we're still there now. The blockade is there again. And so in one sense, do you think Trump has, do you think he understands the Middle East?
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I think that he has very good counsel.
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Okay.
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And everyone says, oh, he's a businessman, he wants the art of the deal. But when you're dealing, and he said this, when you're dealing with crazy, mixed up people always break their promises. You know, when you do business, you make a deal, you don't break the deal. And these Iranians break every deal that they make with the United States. I think, okay, you have the Midterms in November. This will be over by then.
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You think it'll be over?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And I believe the Iranian regime will fall. I think together with the Israeli assistance. Tremendous amount of aid has to go in. You know, the Americans said, we will. With the money that you owe us, we will give you food from our American farmers in Kansas. You know, and the people are starving. People are dying in Iran. They don't get their medicines, they don't get their food. And these crazy IRGC terrorists, all they want is to kill and destroy their own people.
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Yeah, they don't care about their own people.
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They don't care about their own people. They want to kill the Jews on Saturday, kill the Christians on Sunday, and then they kill their fellow Muslims every day. Absolute insanity. And we have their proxies in Lebanon. Lebanon was the Paris of the Middle East. It was the Riviera of the Middle East. The Lebanese have and had such a wonderful country, which was destroyed by the Iranians and the Hezbollah. This has to be finalized also. So Israel is demanding a disarming of Hezbollah. The Christians, the Sunnis, and the Druze are in agreement that Hezbollah has to be disarmed. But there are all these inconsistencies which are all, as you said, very complicated situation. And the same applies to Syria. The Turks. And we spoke about this in two other programs. The Turks have moved south from the Turkish border all the way to Damascus. And so the Israelis drew a line and said, okay, the Turks can have their area of control, area of influence, and the Israelis have the area of influence in the southern part of Syria. And so, on the one hand, Trump says, oh, pull the Israeli troops out of Syria. Pull the Israeli troops out of Lebanon. Nonsense, because we have our own form of manifest destiny.
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Sure.
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And the Israeli borders are going to go from the Nile to the Euphrates. Yes, sir.
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Avi, in a few words, what is Israel's political position? In other words, if you gather together 10 or 11 of the most powerful men in Israel, what do they desire at this point?
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Okay, we have our elections October 27th.
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Explain that, because I think most people in America don't understand the election cycle of the Israeli system.
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Well, the reason I'm mentioning this is because the ten wise men, it depends who wins in the elections. And my fear is that if the left wins, which, God forbid, should happen, the first thing they're going to do is pull out of Lebanon and southern Syria and Gaza, and then in another year or two, we're going to have to reconquer them and lose another thousand, two thousand Israeli soldiers because of the stupidity of these leftist socialists, anti God people. And so, just as I say that Trump is the greatest president America ever had, and I voted for him and my sons voted. They all have an Israeli American passport. 100,000 Jews in Israel voted for Trump.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah. No, the Jews in Israel are pro Trump. The Jews in America don't even care about Israel, and they're against Trump, which is crazy. I think that if Netanyahu, I don't know if he will win the elections or he will win the opportunity to form the coalition with all those who broke away from other parties. Israeli politics is like you're putting together an omelet, like a scrambled egg, and you have to choose which types of vegetables you're putting in with the egg and how you prepare. No bacon?
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No, of course we have kosher bacon here in America.
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By the way, I always say I'm living proof ham is kosher, because I always ham it up in front of you there.
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That's good.
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But so the ten wise men. It depends who the coalition will be.
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Are the polls like. I'm seeing the polls right now that Netanyahu's finished, it's like 55, and then the other ones are 57. So it's pretty. Nobody's got the 61 needed. But are those polls accurate? I mean, here we are. Polling really is worthless here. But what are you seeing there?
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It's the polls are inaccurate. And the strategists on the left, every time they say Netanyahu is going to lose. Netanyahu is a master.
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He is a master, yes.
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He has been in power on and off for, like, 20 years. He's doing such important work. And the problem is we have too many peacocks in the Knesset. Everybody. Eagle, eagle, eagle.
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Yep, of course.
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And I personally, as an American, I believe in term limits. Four years, eight years maximum. But Netanyahu is, I think, the only one who has been able to do the wonderful, miraculous things that he's doing.
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Is there anybody else in the wings that would do it as good?
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Listen, we are a country of very smart people, but Netanyahu lived in America for many years. He knows the American system. I love him because he agrees with me personally on the greatness of America, the greatness of the American system. And the purpose of my party is to bring Judeo Christian, Western civilization to Israel. I don't know anyone who has the kind of thinking that I have. And by extension to Netanyahu, he understands.
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I've seen there's no doubt over the years, the decades, he understands the value of the American evangelical.
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Absolutely.
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He has done a great job of defending that relationship.
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Well, I think I was asking a moment ago, it's a tough question in this situation because it's very complex in the Middle East. But what I was really asking is things are kind of mixed up right now, to say the least. Can you foresee, say, a year down the line, year and a half, two years, things coming together, calming down people, get back to regular elections in Israel. How about Turkey, for example? Is Turkey going to stay within the boundaries that they have traditionally had to operate within? So what I'm asking, I guess is do you see a calming in the Middle east or are things going to become more disruptive?
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More disruptive? We are living atop a volcano and volcanoes sometimes are dormant, but they're not extinct. And all of a sudden, out of the clear blue sky, something crazy happens. And I wanted to talk about what you were mentioning about October 7th.
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Yeah, we'll definitely get back to that.
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October 7th was a very unusual situation. I got into a lot of trouble because I said the first day of October 7th that there are left wing traitors in the Israeli system who did not tell in real time, did not tell the Prime Minister what was happening. And the massacre of 1,200 young boys and girls who just went to a dance party on the border with Gaza and were murdered. They were axed, chopped to pieces. Women were raped. They were taking babies and cooking them in a microwave. This is crazy stuff that the Muslims did. And yet there are people even here in America who say, well, the Muslims are right. This explains some of the insanity in the United States and even in Israel. We have some crazy people who blame Netanyahu for something that was hidden from him by the intelligence people who are known to be leftist and wanted this to happen. There were people in Israel who wanted October 7th to happen.
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Has there been any accountability on that at all?
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Not yet. Netanyahu is saying we have to wait for the war to be over, but the war is never going to be over because we are fighting an eternal enemy. And you probably know I got a three year jail sentence in Switzerland for saying Allah is Satan and Islam is not a religion but a criminal. Psychosis, constant warfare. What's the prophecy in the Bible? Ishmael will be a wild ass and he will be fighting all his brethren and all his brethren will be fighting him. And when he dies in Genesis 25, it says, you know, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. And Ishmael lived in the face of his brethren and he died by the sword. And so we are, if they choose Ishmael over Abraham, they say Abraham is a Moslem. Isaac and Jacob. See, Jews and Christians believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I get into so much trouble because I love to read the New Testament and the New Testament says seven times Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So when I'm in synagogue, I say, yeah, the Christians also believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And they say, shush. Never mentioned that name, you know, New Testament or Jesus Christ. And I say, what's the matter with you guys? I love Jesus. He's a Jewish, a rabbi. Maybe he's the Messiah, I don't know. But my job is to save the lives of Western civilization, of all humanity from the threat of this murderous satanic Islam.
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Yeah, that is the key.
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But. So if I may interrupt, you're trending toward increasing drama, dissolution, conflict.
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Correct. And the reason is because the Turks believe that, that Israel has been very weakened by three years of war. We can't take it anymore. That's what they think, at least politically in their minds. This is in their minds. And they're saying when we see the right moment, that the Israelis are so tired and if these left wing socialist communists, we have our own Bolsheviks, by the way, if they continue to work against the prime minister and, and against the people of Israel, then things will be, we will see more wars. Because you know what? I'm going to use a very rude parallel. When a rapist sees two very beautiful women, he wants to rape both of them, but one of them is in a karate GI with a black belt and the other one is dressed for the occasion. He's going to go after the woman who's dressed for the occasion. And so Israel, as long as you have a Netanyahu who is in a karate GI with a black belt, you know, the Muslims are much more afraid. But there are traitors within the Israeli system. And I got into trouble with, I don't know if you know the brothers in Dallas who were.
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Oh, the beard brothers, bearded brothers.
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I did a show with them the day after and they were threatened and I was threatened for talking against the left wing deep state people. Yeah.
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Wow. Explain the. Which seems to be confusing for some. Why is the new Syrian Jelani, he's got many names now, but you have this murderous, basically Islamist now puts on a suit. Why? What's the connection or the relationship or is there a friendship between him and Erdogan in Turkey. Why are they getting along?
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He would not be in Damascus without Erdogan. Erdogan armed him, trained him, and basically he is an emissary.
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He's a proxy of.
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Proxy of Turkey.
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Okay.
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Just as Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran.
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And so for those trying to understand here, you have Turkey and Jelani as partners, and they are not necessarily friendly with Iran. Right.
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They are looking at Iran as a useful idiot to weaken Israel, to weaken America, so then they can strike, so that they can. Bravo. You got it.
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Because again, you have the Sunni and the Shiites here, which are. There's different factions, which, again, they work against each other in the Islamic world. And so as Erdogan, he's getting older. Okay. What do we see behind him? I know he's been a dictator. He's been elected for his four year term on 25 years or whatever it is now. What's the spirit behind if he's gone, is that gonna change?
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That's a very good question, very hard for me to answer. Problem is, all the secularists who were in power before Erdogan put them in jail. I'm talking about judges, commanders in the Turkish military, politicians, all these people are in jail. And they probably will remain in jail because Erdogan and before him, Nejmettin Erbakan, who was the founder of the fanatic Islamic thinking of the Turks. That was before Erdogan and the fanatic Turkish population has been out producing babies more than the secular Turks. In other words, if you remember, kemal Ataturk from 1923 said, One child and one dog per family. But these people who lived in the hinterland inside, in the agrarian areas continued having 10 children per family. Then there was no work for them. So where did they go? They went to the secular cities where the industry was. And after. Give them a few decades and the secular Turkey is gone, and you return to the fanatic Turk. So there has been change in the demography in Turkey, and It was recently 50. 50, but in a very undemocratic manner. The Kemalas, Kemal Ataturk people were completely removed. I don't know if you've ever been to Turkey, but I was there. And everything. Every place you went was pictures of Kemal Ataturk. They're all gone. And now you only have pictures of Erdogan. Yeah, and the fanatic Miles.
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I was. I was there last fall and honestly, I wasn't in Ankara or anything, but out on the. Where we were, it was phenomenal. People were wonderful.
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Turks are Great.
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Yeah. The Turks were great. And we didn't. There was none of. We didn't see any of the Islamic or radicalism where we were in some of the. More of the tourist sites, for sure, but people were great. But again, we weren't in the heartland of Ankara.
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I have to tell your people that there's a town, a city in the south of Turkey on the Mediterranean called Antalya. And Antalya has always been a very popular tourist site for Israelis. And they would have tens of thousands every year going just from Israel to Antalya. That all stopped because the Turkish government said, we don't want the Jews, we don't want the Israelis. And so there is now a tendency, a trend, a direction in Turkish thinking against Israel.
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So do you think. So let's project for a moment the next six months, let's say, because we're coming up to the midterms. We're not asking for. You're not a prophet, you're just a future prime minister. So in that sense, what do you see?
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My wife allows.
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Yeah, what do you see over the next six months?
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Very good question. I think Netanyahu will stay in power.
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You think he'll do it.
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But the coalition will be built on different parties with new people. It cannot be that Prime Minister Netanyahu stays in power such a long time without refreshing the list of candidates. That's what he's trying to do in the Likud. But a lot of former Likud people have quit the Likud and they formed their own parties. And listen, I was Likud all my life. But when I see that not only Netanyahu, but nobody else wants to hear the word Christian. And I'm saying, you know, do you remember? No taxation without representation.
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That's America, baby.
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That's Israel. Yeah, we've got 8% of our population are Christian believers. And they serve in the army, they pay taxes, they vote, they're married to us. And there's not one Christian. In the knesset, you have 10 Muslims, but no Christians. That has to be fixed. That's the purpose of my party. And I'm a Jew. And there are many, many Jews in Israel who say Israel is a country which is half Soviet Socialist and half Islamic. My wife comes from an Islamic country. And what I'm saying is because of my lunch with the Neo Nazi in Florida says we're going to kill all the Jews in America. I believe a lot of Jews and their Christian spouses will be moving to Israel and we will have a new Element of millions of Judeo, Christians, Western civilization, Americans coming to Israel. And our population is going to grow. So there's going to be a very big change. When will that happen? I don't know. My wife is praying for President Trump and saying the moment he goes, it's going to be another America. So we're very concerned. And like I said before, Trump is the greatest president America ever had. I'm thinking one last sentence. I'm thinking that Trump is doing everything he can to keep the lid on. It shouldn't pop off. You know, when things are boiling. Volcano, a volcano, the lid blows off. I'm praying for Netanyahu. I'm praying for the right wing. We have a problem with the ultra Orthodox who are. I call them the Taliban.
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Rabbis explain that, because people, they're not going to know what you mean that.
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In 1949, 1948, Israel got its independence. In 1949, we had a situation where we lost 6 million Jews in Europe in the Holocaust. And a lot of these Jews were very, very ultra Orthodox. And the rabbis said, oh, Hitler would never do any of these things. Hitler wiped everyone out. So Ben Gurion, our first prime minister, said, you know what? I'm going to give the ultra orthodox 500 exemptions from the army, you know, so they can resuscitate the ultra Orthodox, okay? And today our population is 10 times as much. So if you have 7 million, it was 648,000. Now it's 7 million. 10 times as much as 500 exemptions would be 5,000. But there are 140,000 ultra orthodox students in the yeshivas. Half of them serve in the army because they are.
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They want to.
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70,000 are ultra orthodox. And the rabbis who get a budget from the government for having Yeshiva students, they don't want them to serve in the army. So the rabbis have an agenda not to allow their students to serve in the army. So 70,000 exemptions of people who don't work, don't pay taxes, don't serve in the army. Israel cannot tolerate this anymore.
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It's a conflict, tension.
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So my personal solution is a compromise between 500 and 70,000. So it would be maybe 10, 20,000 ultra orthodox exemptions, but not 70,000. And what happens is the rabbis encourage the yeshiva students to get married at age 18, then they have 10 children, and then at age 18, the children have children. This is a cancer which is totally out of control. And you know what? My Messianic friends in Israel, my Christian friends in Israel serve in the army. They pay taxes they vote, they get their guts blown out on the battlefield, and they're not recognized by the Israeli government. That's crazy. And I'm predicting that millions more Jews and Christians are going to move to Israel, and my party will be the biggest party because we will be the party of the Western civilization and democracy.
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Now, as a background, I hear you saying that Iran is going to stabilize,
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stabilize under a new government which will be pro America, pro Israel, and democratically.
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Turkey, on the other hand, they're going
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off the deep end.
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Going off the deep end, which is not something we usually think of, Mondo.
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No, especially with what we've been seeing. Again, Erdogan has been, no doubt the figure over the last 20 years that
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has created this monster.
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Yes, exactly. And I remember back in the 90s, you know, because, you know, Christians often Talk about Ezekiel 38, the GOG Magog war, and Turkey, Russia and Iran, but Turkey was very friendly. Like, well, how is this going to happen? Well, obviously, enter Erdogan in a Japanese changes things, you know, on that in the sense of within the political government. You know, you have Turkey out there with its threat, et cetera. What do you. How do you envision for people that don't know this, you know, this current Israeli government, which is coming to an end, has been the most religious government in all of Israeli history. In the coalition that Netanyahu put forward back in December of 22, and he's had some defections, no doubt. How do you see the new coalition coming together? Which groups? It can't be the same. Obviously, many have abandoned him. How do you see that?
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You know, I have to tell you, I'm changing the subject, but it'll come back.
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Okay.
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We have had an immigration from Ethiopia, all Jewish, but there are about 10, 20, 30,000. I don't know how many Ethiopians who are messianic.
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Oh, okay.
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And I have a lady, and she had a choice to run on my list. But I said this is the long haul. She wanted the short haul. She went to a party called the Reservists, and they are a fantastic party. All the reserve army officers, and she's a captain. Okay, so she's on their list. So I cannot say that there are no parties with believers who are candidates. So there's this one Ethiopian lady, and I said to her, when we have the elections and she does not get elected, she's always welcome to come back to my party, and together we'll get 10, 20,000 votes. But that's not enough because I need 160,000 votes. Okay, so we have all these fragmented parties. You don't know who's going to get in and who's not going to get in. I would say probability is we're not going to get in this election. My new two new books, which you're carrying and you're going to be selling. The two new books are going to be translated. As soon as I go home to Israel next week or two weeks, the books will be translated into Russian and into Hebrew. Because we have 400,000 non Jewish Russians living in Israel, Russian speakers. We need 160,000 votes to pass the threshold, get into the government. I think my two books will help when they are in Hebrew and in Russian. It's going to cost me almost $100,000. And I'm doing everything by faith. So what we're doing is we're doing zooms, we're doing Facebook, we're doing computer, which doesn't cost anything, home meetings. So, you know, we've gotten 400 votes over five elections, which is nothing. But they're all my messianic friends, Christian friends. But we will go up into the thousands in this election. When the books come out in Hebrew and Russian, we'll go up into the tens of thousands. 160,000 is difficult for us to do, but it is possible. I believe it is probable. And the moment you have millions of American Jews and Christians coming home to Israel because of the persecution that will come when Trump is gone, in other words, I'm looking everything that happens President Trump today is the last dam preventing the big flood of anti Semitism in this country. And I did want to talk about the Islamic invasion of America, you know, through universities and bribery and stuff. And all these people are legal, by the way. When you have 30 million Muslims in America, Jews are 6 million. They're married to 4 million Christians, so that's 10 million. But we're outnumbered by the Muslims 3 to 1. Then you have the militias who hate the Jews because they say Jews are communists. And some of them are, you know, because it's a Jewish tradition to be left wing, an anti Christian. Listen, I know America like my hand. I know Israel like my hand. And so I believe we are heading towards instability in America, instability in Israel. But my wife is always saying, woe is us. Woe is us. I say to my wife, I say to her, do you believe in God? She says, yes, of course I believe in God. So who has the victory? Great faith.
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Christians. Pray for Israel.
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Amen.
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I pray for Israel. And in so doing, I Ask myself a question, what should I be praying for? I've been listening to you and asking myself that very question. Someone asks you, what is the vital single thing that Christians should be praying for?
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God's will be done on earth as in heaven. Because I believe God wants us to win, wants Israel and America together to win. We are the vanguard of Western civilization and democracy. Europeans are falling, Canada is falling. I do want to say that there is a tremendous revival taking place in Latin America. Colombia just had a pro Israel leader elected. Peru had a pro Israel leader elected. Chile has shifting, shifting. South America is shifting to the right. Africa, you have some of the, in China, you have some of the greatest Christian revivals taking place now. And you know what? You can't be a Christian and hate Israel. You cannot be a Christian and hate the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. And the New Testament, excuse me for saying it is a Jewish book, of course it is written by Jews. And so I can't understand people who say, well, you know, we are Christian, but we don't like the Jews, duh, you know, like that's impossible.
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Really, it's not logical at all, at all. So you said you were going to get back to, you were going to return back to the potential coalitions for the fall for Netanyahu.
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I think Netanyahu will win. The religious parties will remain with him.
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You think so?
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Some former Likud people who form their own parties, if they don't be a problem, if they don't pass the threshold of 160,000 votes. So there may be some big stars in the past falling. I don't want to mention names.
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Sure, sure.
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But I'm watching. I know all these people, they're good people. But you know, Netanyahu is a big boss. You know, he doesn't want new upstarts coming in who in the end will overthrow him.
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Well, and what I see too is that right now, as this government is coming to a close, and of course the political, the populace has shifted, some of the parties have shifted. I think many of them are waiting to make any commitments until the dust settles after the election, to see, okay, well now where are the numbers at? And then they're going to be like, okay, now we might not have agreed today in July to join the coalition, but when we're there, what's the other option? Is it going to be a failed government or a non coalized government? That's no.
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I swore an oath to God to create the Judeo Christian Bible block party. And I swore an oath to God, that I would lead it as long as I was breathing or as long as I'm still there. We had five elections from. Yeah, that's what I mean, 2019 to 2022. I'm not a prophet. I don't have the answers to what the Israeli people are going to vote for. And it's always 50, 50, with a few votes more for Netanyahu, and then he becomes the prime minister. But there are socialists, there are disgruntled Likud people. You have the Arab parties, which are 10 Arabs are represented in Israel.
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Isn't that amazing either?
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That's democracy. They represented at the Arabs.
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I thought it was apartheid. That's what we hear. It's like, do you even know what apartheid means? They have representation.
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See, you have me in front of the camera because you can't believe the fluff media or the one world government, deep state media. That's why I say everything is so simple. I say to my wife, do you believe in God? Who wins? We win. So I'm not concerned.
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As I'm listening the question I asked a moment ago, what should we pray for? And it's sounding more and more like we should pray for a settlement, if you will, between rival parties, a calming, if you will, that doesn't seem to be there right now.
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Can you have a calming with the Democrats?
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No.
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Will the radicals? No.
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What we have in Israel, left are radicals. And like, you have never Trumpers, you have never Netanyahu. And Netanyahu and Trump are the best leaders that Israel and America ever had. So listen, I'm an optimist. And my preference, of course, if and when my party gets the four members of Knesset, 160,000 votes, that brings four.
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If you have 160, it gives you four. Is that how it works?
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160 would give me four. I would go with Netanyahu, I would go with the left, with the right. But there is a problem. Netanyahu, I don't know if he personally, I think it was he personally, but there was a pastor, There was a pastor in Israel I love very much. And he said to me, how about if you run on the Likud list in a protected slot? In other words, Netanyahu appoints me. And your job would be to mobilize Christian support for Israel. And I said, well, under the Likud banner, basically under the Likud banner. And I was Likud all my life. I'm still basically in my heart, I'm Likud, I'm a nationalist, and I Said to him, I said, but wait a second. Isn't it hypocrisy that a Jew like me would be put in a secure spot and no Christians? I say, show me one Christian on the Likud slot together with me. I do it.
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If he appointed two, at least. Right. You and then another Christian.
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And the answer was he doesn't want any Christians because the rabbis will crucify him.
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Oh, true.
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Yeah. He will lose his base in the Likud.
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And is it that anti Christian? I mean, I understand the Orthodox and religious.
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Okay, you know, we had 2,000 years of persecution.
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I know, let me finish.
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But it wasn't the white Anglo Saxon Protestants.
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No.
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And when I say white Anglo Saxon Protestants, that's black churches and Chinese churches and Korean churches, all the different churches, they are all white Anglo Saxon Protestants because they go by the Protestant way of thinking. America never killed a Jew. What do the Jews know? 50% come from Soviet Russia, which was czarist Russia, terrible anti Semitism. Germany, anti Semitic. Poland, anti Semitic France, anti Semitic England. All these countries were anti Semitic. A Jew who left Russia after 2000 years of this stuff comes to America and he sees a cross on a steeple and he says, russia. Yeah, but you don't know until you go into the church and you hear the preaching and you meet these white Anglo Saxon Protestants. And again, I'm not racist. I'm saying all the different Christian groups, remember King and I getting to know. I've been to over a thousand churches of all denominations. And I fell in love with the Christians because I see that they love us. But Jews in Israel who are from half from Soviet Union, half from Islamic countries, they don't have the exposure. I'm not angry with them. They don't have the exposure. And I get into trouble because I say to these Jewish people, you have to go to church on Sunday. They look at me, say, jew for Jesus. I said, I'm not a Jew for Jesus. But if you don't go to church, you will remain in the ignorance of somebody who has never gone to a church and does not know the heart of these people. And then I say, wait a second. They say, we don't go to Shabbat to the synagogue. You want us to go to church on Sunday? We don't go anywhere. Wait a second. Yeah. And then I say, well, how about reading the New Testament? Oh, he's a Jew for Jesus. I said, the New Testament is a Jewish book.
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It's a Jewish book.
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If you don't read it, then you don't understand why the Christians have to be with us. Say, well, we don't read the Old Testament, why should we read the New Testament?
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So we don't go to the synagogue, we don't read the Old Testament, and so we're not going to read the other ones.
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So maybe I would venture to say that the greatest challenge of my party is educational. To teach Israelis, cut out the hatred, because we may be right, but we may be dead right.
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Well, I remember, honestly, my undergrad is in Jewish studies, so I remember learning this stuff. And I remember the professor said, listen, as you go out there and you learn and you talk with Jewish people, you go to Israel, whatever, that person is going to think that Hitler was a Christian.
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Right?
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I mean, Hitler is a Christian. So when you go to him and you talk to him about Jesus, they're going to go, you want me to follow this guy who Hitler killed us. And he said, there's a psyche there, which is what you just described. There's a psyche there that has to be overcome. Because in their mind, Hitler's a Christian. Why would I have any associations with that?
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Do you remember Michael Savage?
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Oh, yeah.
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So Michael Savage said, anyone who denies the Jewish Holocaust is guilty of two sins, denying the Jewish Holocaust and denying the Christian Holocaust because Hitler killed 7 million German Christians. So there were no German Christians around to protect the Jews and to overthrow Hitler. So Hitler was an anti Christian. By the way, Hitler did say that there's one religion he liked very much, it was Islam. Islam matched Hitler's thinking, didn't it?
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Yep.
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Has the same basic philosophy.
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Yeah.
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And nobody else. But, you know, I asked a question a minute ago, what should we pray for? And I think I got my answer.
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Well, if you believe in God, you pray that God's will be done on earth and in heaven. It's very simple.
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But specifically, I'm going to be praying for a calming among Israeli politicians.
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Very important, very important. But you know, sometimes you look at the. Remember Forrest Gump?
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Oh, yeah.
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You remember the part where they go out fishing and this big storm comes and his commander, who has his legs chopped off from Vietnam, he was daring.
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Oh, he's daring.
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They came back with the biggest catch ever. They became multimillionaires. And he gave it all away to this commander of his. But we are now entering a storm. There's going to be tremendous tumult in the Israeli political system. And I'm not concerned. I rely on God.
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God brings often good out of chaos.
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Yes. And there's a reason for chaos. Forgive me for saying it, there's a reason for a holocaust in America. We are gearing up for the perfect storm in America. I pray for long life for President Trump because I am very afraid when something happens, God forbid something happens to him, all hell breaks loose between the Democrats and the Republicans. And even within the Republicans, there is now some kind of.
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There's a lot of rhinos. Yeah, there is. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'll tell you, Amando, there's a lot to think about here. And of course, as I hold up my Bible, I come back to one thing. Right in the middle of this Bible, everywhere you open the book, you find references to Israel.
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Amen.
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God is watching. God is blessing Israel in ways that we can't even understand.
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Amen.
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And there will be a solution.
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I agree. 100. I'm not upset. I'm not worried. God is in control.
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Amen. Well, Avi, it's been good. It's been good. And it's good to chat. And everybody watching today and listening. We appreciate you hanging out with us, and this has been an enlightening and riveting conversation about all things happening in the Middle East. So appreciate you listening today and we will catch you next time.