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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the program today. Mono Gonzalez here in studio. And the question we're going to discuss today is the Bible's book order Divinely inspired by God. And how do we know that? So stick around. Well, we are here with our good friend Dustin Blystone. And before we get to him and talking about again, a very fascinating subject, I want to remind everybody about a couple things that we just got done with our Colorado conference and Dustin gave a presentation there, which we're going to talk to him about that. But I'll remind everybody that if you weren't there and you still want to participate in the on demand, you can go to prophecywatchers.com and get all the information there and you will not miss a thing. Also just put on your calendars and thinking about conferences is December 10th through the 13th. We are going to be in Branson and I think it's going to be one of our bigger conferences for the year and so join us there. It's going to be awesome. So here we are. Dustin, welcome.
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Thanks, Mondo. Thanks for having me back. And it's a pleasure to be here.
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Yeah. And you, you participated in the Colorado conference and for this, before we get into that, maybe share with the audience who might not know about you kind of give us, give us a little bit of your background.
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Oh, sure. Well, I'm primarily a Bible teacher and also I am a book author and I love writing Bible study books that just explore the majesty and the depths and heights of God's word.
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So this particular book metacostm the how did this I know that maybe give us a little bit of a, of a background in the sense of this isn't the only book. There's kind of a, you have a collection. So talk about that because then we'll get into some of the details. But talk about how they all come together.
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Right. Well, the first book I wrote was Isaiah, a biblical microcosm which just explored the 66 chapters of Isaiah and how they corresponded to the 66 books of the Bible. And I didn't really have this concept in mind yet. I just kind of noticed that pattern and I developed it. And then several years later, it was roughly in 2012 when I started writing this book. I was actually teaching as our in our Monday night Bible teaching service where we were in the book of Joshua and the thought just kept coming to us and we were exploring the idea of, well, how did they get here and what, what led them to this point where they're going into the promised land, crossing the Jordan and conquering these giants that used to intimidate and dominate them. And when I started looking at that, I started seeing a definite pattern of spiritual progression. Just like a Christian has. Like, well, in Genesis you had God's perfect creation ruined by man's sin. And at the end of Genesis, it ends with man dead in the world. Joseph's placed in a coffin in Egypt, but he's embalmed. So it's not death without a hope. So you have God sent a deliverer, Moses, a type of Christ into the midst of Israel who's in bondage to Egypt and leads them out through the Passover lamb. I was like, well, that's kind of like us with our deliverer, Jesus Christ, the Passover lamb, leading us out of bondage through faith in his atonement on the cross. And then Leviticus is like a picture of God now intimating his holy and righteous standards for living in relationship with him and his people. And that's exactly what happens to us. After we put our faith and trust in Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit and we start recognizing that God's saying, no, I don't want you to have that relationship anymore. I don't want you saying that anymore. I don't want you going there anymore. Instead I want you doing this and this. And he starts developing us and showing us what his standards for living are, which are different. And then just like us, the Israelites didn't automatically adopt those standards. They, they had a wilderness wandering time where in the Book of Numbers they're being weaned off of the Egypt way of doing things and on to walking and living by faith with the Shekinah glory. They're camped in the shape of a cross, going through the desert, being weaned off of the world.
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It took some time too. I think about 40 years. Right? So you think it. Sometimes it takes us some.
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You know what I love though is that, that Shekinah glory, that Holy Spirit presence is leading them on, just like he leads us and helps us through our, our grumblings and our murmurings and so on and so forth. But then, just like you mentioned, Deuteronomy is perfect because when you get to Deuteronomy, the first chapter, it says it was an 11 days journey from where we started to where we get to. And it's just kind of like, do you want to be on the 40 year plan or the 11 day plan? And it's kind of your choice. You can choose the 11 day plan. I was kind of like on the, the four Year plan, as I kind of went through that process myself. But everybody has a different testimony. Yeah. And so as I did that, I also realized that although all the firstborn who came out of Egypt died in the desert and only their children were allowed to go on into victory, except for Joshua and Caleb, a type of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they typologically represent. And so it's a picture of our firstborn. Nature has to die during our wilderness wandering sanctification stage. And only our born again nature, our second born nature, is what's allowed to go on into victory. And then when we got there, I kept kind of explaining that over and over again while we were studying through Joshua. And we got to Joshua and it's kind of like, well, now it's this second move of the Spirit where he empowers and equips people to have to go on offense, I call it. And I always think of the Matrix when, if you've seen the film where Neo is kind of like flailing backwards and he's, you know, taking all that fire and, and he's. It's like he's on defense. But then there's that moment where after he realizes that death has no hold on him, that he can just charge those enemies and destroy them instead. And that's what really Josh was all about. It's just going in and taking over the giants that used to dominate and intimidate you, which might be a giant bottle of Jack Daniels, or it might be pornography or greed or lust or whatever it might be. Those giants can become grasshoppers in your sight if you allow God's Holy Spirit to empower and equip you to overthrow them from your life. And then it got very interesting because I saw judges as a whole stage of the church age. And the way I like to describe this is just Joshua there. Joshua died and left them a commission to continue his ministry. And they were supposed to go take more territory, drive out more Nephilim and more Canaanites. And God told them, I'm not going to give it to you all at once. Little by little, you're going to do it. And then with Judah and Simeon, they get off to a pretty good start. The first few chapters of Judges. But as soon as they start focusing on themselves and their own enjoyment, rest and pleasure, God allows their enemies to encroach and around them again, and they cry out to him. And then he sends a deliverer and gets them back on track. And that lasts for 10, 20, whatever, however many years. And then they Go right back to the cycle, enjoy the fruits of our labors again. And let's just get back to not worrying about that. And as you go through I think 14 cycles of that in the Book of Judges, it's like the whole church age. Like we got off to a great start with Peter's first sermon, how when he, when he was empowered with the Holy Spirit, 3,000 saved, 2,000 more, his second sermon. The church spreads like wildfire, goes over the whole known world at the time and then all the way up to ultimately conquering Rome, spiritually speaking, in 325. And then with Constantine and his, his successors, they make Christianity the state religion. And you can kind of see the church is kind of like the Judges stage, where they're like, okay, well we've conquered Rome after all. Let's just sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labors. And then what happens to the church? Corruption, enemies start encroaching in again. And then God has to send a deliverer to get them back on track. And he'll send a Martin Luther or he'll send a Charles Spurgeon or a Chuck Missler or whoever and he'll refresh the church, get the church back on mission. And then right up to the end of the Judges stage is where Ruth happens, where it's like a picture of the end of the church age.
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Well, welcome back. We are talking to Dustin Blystone about his book Metacosm. And before the break, we're kind of getting into more of a positive, right? Because we were talking about the cycles of judges and. But then talk about. Well, let me just, let me get this out of the way in the sense that there's a lot of people that will say, well, you know, the Bible in our, it's 66 books, you know, 39 and 27. And it was put together by a bunch of, you know, a bunch of councils and stuff. It's not really, it's just random, right? And so maybe address that in a, in a, in a general way is, and I know that, I know that, you know, you have an opinion, but when people make that claim that this is just random, there's really no providential care. What do you say initially to that?
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I have all sorts of responses to that. One is just, we'll look at the research. Number two is actually, if you really Go study it out and you look at the original codices, you're going to have a very scholastic answer, which would just be, if you actually look at one of the most revered codices that we have, Codex Sinaiticus, and you take a look at it, the New Testament is actually 93% in the exact same order that we have today. And so the only difference is the Book of acts is the 19th book of the New Testament. So I tell people kind of humorously, like, if you really believe that the Book of acts is the 19th book of the New Testament, then self publishing is very easy. Today you can go copy BibleGateway.com, copy the Bible into your own word document and publish your own Bible with the Book of Acts of the nineteenth book of the New Testament and go around and try to convince people of that. But actually, if you move Acts to where its correct placement goes right after the Gospels, then you'll see that that frees up the 19th spot for the book of Hebrews. And then you have the exact same Bible book order that we have today. Then if you look at all the other codices, the very worst one, I believe, is 75% in the exact same order that we have today. And huge sections of Scripture, like eight books at a time or ten books at a time, are almost universally the same. There's just a few little tiny differences. So I think people kind of overblow that they make more of it than they're really, technically, scholastically, really is. And then Jerome, who's the one who's primarily responsible, I believe the Holy Spirit, working through Jerome and through the councils of. Of men that oversaw all this, he's the one that actually kind of cemented this that we use today. And he was regarded by the Pope and everyone as the foremost expert on the subject. He was the foremost expert. And he. Jerome actually fought back very hard against including the Apocrypha, deuterocanonical books. He said, these are not the same as Scripture, and these should not be treated on the same level as the Bible as the inspired books of the canon. And there was a debate about that. The Pope made him do it anyway because of authority. And I'm kind of glad he did, because I'm glad that those books were preserved for our reading, but I don't believe they're part of the canon. And so there's that answer. I think there's other answers that you can give that are just kind of logical. Mike would, for example, I was just talking with Gary about the same subject. Would Michelangelo paint all the paintings of the Sistine Chapel and just allow random committees to throw them up wherever they wanted? Or do you think God, the intricate detail he went to. To bring us his word, that he would see it through right to the end and make sure we got exactly what he intended.
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And do you think. You think with the 66 books, you know, you brought up, you know, whether in the Catholic theology or even in Orthodox, you have other books there known as Apocrypha or the Hidden Books. If you added those other, you know, depending on how they are, sometimes there's 7:12, depending on how they organize. And, you know, if they merge them, that would totally just destroy the flow of the patterns that you've seen, right?
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I think it would. I think it would. I think those books are. I think. I don't think that they're not legitimate. I think that many of them contain legitimate history, even legitimate prophecy. But a good argument about that is we know from Corinthians that Paul wrote other things for the Corinthians. So we know that as a fact because it's in the Scripture. And so just because Paul wrote something doesn't mean that it's meant to be an inspired canon. So some people say, oh, we lost that. We lost that one. Now, I believe God had perfect awareness of everything that he wanted in his canonical books. And the things that we lost or the things that aren't in them may have been even inspired. That doesn't mean that it's inspired on the level of Scripture.
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Absolutely. And this book is metacosm. But you have in here several words that I think would be interesting. Macrocosm, mesocosm, microcosm, metacosm. What are the differences between those words in the sense of how you've brought this together?
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Right. Well, I mean, you could look at it different ways, but I say the first one is the macrocosm, because it's using a body of people like Israel as this nation that God is developing. And as he's developing them, they're kind of like the macrocosm to our microcosm. So as I was going through and saying how they were saved out of Egypt by the blood of the Passover lamb, well, they're like a huge nation, a huge group of people that that's happening to, like the macro sense. But in the micro sense, we go through all those same stages of development. Like, we actually have the time when we recognize that we have our Genesis. We're born into this world, born in sin, shaped in iniquity. We come to the realization, who are believers, that we need a savior, and we put our trust and faith in Jesus, our Passover lamb, and then he gives us his holy Spirit, just like he gave them the Shekinah glory. And so it's kind of like the macro is the big picture. The microcosm is kind of like the individualized picture. And then there. There's the. I have mesocosm in here. It's just kind of like a corporate microcosm. Like you might say a group of believers or a body of believers, like. Like Israel or the church. You know, there's God's grand plan. But the meta, meta, just as a word that just means beyond. Like, it's kind of a synonym really for eternity. It's the beyond world. So microcosm is the micro world. The miniature version, macro is the big picture. The big picture of everything, the whole cosmos. And then meso is like the representative corporate micro. And then the meta is just kind of like this is all leading ultimately to being an eternity with God.
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And as you were basically discovering and putting all this together, what were some highlights for you?
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Okay, yeah, highlights. Well, where I left off earlier, one of the highlights was coming to book eight and noticing that that was Ruth, who was a gentile bride marrying her Jewish kinsman's redeemer at the end of the Judges stage, typologically the end of the church age, right before the kingdom age commenced. I was like, that's interesting because Amos, the eighth book of the Prophets, is a huge rapture book. A lot of people don't know that. And then first Thessalonians is the eighth book of the Epistles. So once I started seeing that those types of tandemic relationships. Oh, 888lines up with the Rapture. And for those who don't know, 888 is also the Greek geometrical value of the name of Jesus Christ. And so it's kind of like his heart is centered on his church. And then 999, that was the next one. This is one of my favorite ones, is that the ninth book is kind of like nine is outside of God, if you think about it like this, because of creation this week, you know, you actually have seven, six days, and then a seventh day rest. And then you actually, in a. In an interesting, subtle way, you actually have an eighth day representing eternity, if you really study Genesis 1 and 2 carefully. And 9 is kind of like outside the purposes of God. And it's a number that's almost always used in Scripture as a form of judgment. Well, what's the ninth book of the Bible? First Samuel, where you have a false king who looks head and shoulders above the rest. Tall, dark and handsome. Looks like he's going to be the answer. Charismatic, peaceful, soft spoken, with a great plan. They all clamor after him. God says, you don't want this. They say, no, we do want it. And he gives it to him. Ends up being a disaster, trying to kill God's true king and his people. And then Obadiah, an idiomite. An idiom, idioma. And an Edomite from Esau who drinks and profanes on God's holy mountain. A prefigure the false prophet. And then second Thessalonians, he sits in the temple displaying himself as being God, demanding worship, the abomination of desolation. So you see the ninth book, ninth book, ninth book, they all line up together. And so. But probably my favorite, my favorite moment was when I got to first Chronicles because I was doing this, like I said, in a serial fashion. So I was just kind of going through book by book and I was literally writing it without knowing where it was going. So I was just writing it and I hadn't figured it all out yet. I was just writing it as I was going. And so as I was going, I got to first Chronicles and I was.
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I think that's going to be a cliffhanger for a moment because I want us to take a break here where you can see how to get the whole book. And we'll come back to Dustin and talk about the Chronicles here in a moment. So take a listen.
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For those who appreciate divine design, scriptural patterns are the ultimate proof that God's word can be trusted. It is perfect in its original languages and every letter, word, chapter and book is divinely inspired by. The Bible has been called God's love letter to mankind. But it's a love letter written in blood. The sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for the sins of humanity. You can't imagine our joy at discovering these two life changing masterpieces. From our guest today, Dustin Blystone, 22 years in the making. He takes us places 99.9% of the churches will never see. There are patterns in scripture that cannot be the work of a man or even the world's best fastest supercomputer. The Bible is a supernatural book written by a supernatural creator. We need to understand that the Bible is a living document prepared by God to show us where we came from, where we're going, and how to get there. Our Bible was created in another dimension. Even the order of the books were perfectly placed. The same God who hung the sun in the sky ordered the placement of each of the 66 books and in the perfect order he so desired. There's so much more in Dustin's book I'd love to share. Dustin's first book, MetacoSM, is available for your gift of $25 or more. It provides the foundation to fully understand the depth of his second book, the Isaiah Matrix, available from prophecy watchers for your gift of $40 or more. The Isaiah Matrix is a treasure trove of advanced understanding. 444 pages in all. Within the pages you're going to find discoveries that will leave you breathless. Discover the relationship between Isaiah chapter 66 and the 66th book of the Bible, Revelation. Be amazed at the relationship between Isaiah chapter 1 and Genesis 1. Parallel passages confirm Dustin's laborious research, ultimately shining a light on our Savior and his plans of salvation throughout all 66 interconnected books. When you choose the Isaiah Matrix package for your gift of $65 or more, we'll send you both books with a special bonus, a copy of the late Chuck Missler's book on the mysterious codes found throughout the hidden treasures in the biblical text. By the time you finish, you'll be a full fledged believer in divine inspiration. And as always, shipping is included free anywhere in the usa. Order your copies today at the toll free number you see on your screen or visit our online Bookstore at ProphecyWatchers TV for our international friends. Please note that additional shipping fees do apply and all prices listed are in US Dollars. For those of you who desire to see and study God's word in a powerful new way, Dust and Blystone will open your eyes to God's one of a kind masterpiece.
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Well, welcome back. We are talking to Dustin Blystone about his book and before the break you mentioned getting into the kind of the First Chronicles discovery. Give us, we got a couple minutes left here. Kind of give us that.
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Well, it's just back in my, in the back of my mind I was thinking, well, this is not going to work because after the final rebellion of Satan represented by Second Kings, the fractured kingdom being judged, then it's over. It's just eternity. In Revelation you go into eternity. And so I was just in the back of my mind I thought there's no way because First Chronicles is just a huge repeat of everything that we've already seen. And then I kind of kept feeling God telling me, just I'll show you when you get there. I'll show you when you get there. And then so I went to First Chronicles and then because I was reading in Revelation what's the next thing? And it said books are opened and another book is open, which is the Book of Life. So I go to First Chronicles and I open it and it starts with Adam, Seth Enosh, Keenan Mahalalel, the genealogy from Adam all the way up to King David and all the genealogical records of the Gentiles and the Jews, and especially the Jews as they're the stand ins for the, the Gentiles, the 70 based on the 70 that went down to Egypt, representing the 70 Gentile nations in Genesis 10. And then it just clicked. I was like, oh, it's a record. It's a record of everything. Everybody from Adam, typologically a record of everybody from Adam all the way up to David, who's a type of Christ. And then another book is opened, the Book of Life, which is a, goes from David and Solomon all the way to the end of the kingdom. Age was a picture of everybody who's lived since the time of Christ until the end of the millennium, which is a picture of those who've had a chance to either put their faith in Christ or not the Book of Life. And so when I saw that that just kind of like everything clicked into place at that point. I knew that I really had something at that point and that I just was amazed to see it. And then Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther just finished it off because Revelation 21 is, goes into God, temples directly with his people. Ezra, they rebuild the temple. 21, Revelation, New Jerusalem comes down as a bride adorned for her husband. Book 16, Nehemiah, they're rebuilding Jerusalem. And then Esther, the king of the whole world at the time rules and reigns with his new bride, his queen Esther over the whole earth, including, you know, the whole kingdom, including over Israel at the time. Just like Christ is going to rule and reign with his new bride, the church over eternity. And so and then it, it stops historical narratives over. There's a five book interlude and then it goes the same progression goes on with the prophets, five book interlude with the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the book of Acts, the Gospel to the whole world. And then the epistles line up perfectly with all of those thematic relationships. And then you have these last five books, first, second, third, John, Jude and Revelation, which I kind of talk about as being the eternity books, the books that prepare you for the next transition, which is actually the consummation and transitioning into eternity, into the metacosm, if you will, with God.
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Amen. Amen. Dustin's always, it's always fun and it's always good. And you know what, what Dustin brought up there is so fascinating that there is a consummation and that's why we're here. Is there is this time coming where we get to be with the Lord forever, those who are part of his family. And for us, we want to invite you to be a part of his family through the Lord Jesus Christ and again, the center point of everything, which is the gospel and what he accomplished for us. So if you haven't put your faith and trust in him today, that is why we're, why we are here to share this wonderful news with you that you can participate in that. And sadly, some people choose not to. They're going to be separated from him for eternity. And that's a very sad thing. But as always, we appreciate you watching today. Thank you for your prayers and support and thank you for all, Dustin, for all the work that you, you've done here. And we will catch you next time.
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