← Prophecy Watchers
Prophecy Watchers
Trump, Iran, NATO & the Prophetic Timeline | Mondo Gonzales and Mike Spaulding
00:45:28
Loading summary
Transcript45 lines
- [00:01]
A
Hey, friends, thanks for joining me again today here on Soaring Eagle tv. I've got a guest, a brother today that needs no introduction, Mondo Gonzalez. Mondo, thank you so very much for joining me today.
- [00:15]
B
It's always a pleasure, my friend.
- [00:17]
A
Yeah, well, I appreciate your time. I know that you're busy. Speaking of busy, I see you've got the Christmas in Branson on the screen behind you. You want to say a little bit about that? And then where else are you or Ken going to be here in the next month or so?
- [00:34]
B
Yes, we have our upcoming conference. We just came out of our Colorado conference, which was well attended and we were happy about that. And but one of our favorites is in Branson. It's Christmas in Branson, December 10th through the 13th. And very, very nice place. They have a, the hotel is right above the Table Rock Lake. And so they deck it all out for the holiday and stuff. And so if people are around, join us. It's, it's going to be a great time. Of course we're going to have some stream available as well. But this particular conference, we were there two years ago and we had, I think there was over 1200 people there. And so it was just so nice to have that many people in the room and talking to one another, fellowshipping and have a very nice facility, lots of room for everything, the speakers. So it was, it was really nice. So we invite people to join us.
- [01:23]
A
Yes, yes. Amen. And encourage you to do that live streaming. I know in my neck of the woods, Mondo, I don't typically plan too much travel in December because I don't know what's, what the weather is going to be like. But if you're in a fairer climate and you can get there, I would encourage you to be there. But there's nothing like being there in person.
- [01:46]
B
Yeah.
- [01:47]
A
Live stream is a good, good alternative. But face to face with your brothers and sisters. Good stuff.
- [01:56]
B
Yeah, that's, that's, we love it. We love the, we love to, we love to see people just getting together. I mean, you know, certainly we love to talk to them, but just to see them meet others who have similar mindsets, that's just an encouragement of being there in person. The body of Christ.
- [02:10]
A
Yeah. Yeah. And I. Glad you said that. Being, being there in person and having that conversation, encouraging and edifying. Getting ready to start on an article. I, I don't want to call it, I'm not going to call it that. So I'll just say this. I see articles, but I know you do too. I see articles posted and I think, how did you walk into that? That is a, a, a mess. That's quicksand. It just sucks you under the, the, the, the eschatology that is being espoused today, that just pulls people into despair. When our eschatology is supposed to point us to the return of Christ to, to work within us a sense of imminency that could happen at, at any time. And it is our blessed hope. We're supposed to encourage one another with the return of Christ, not give in to fear and despair. And anyway, saw one of those articles. I'm gonna, I'm gonna respond to it in, in an article and try to straighten that mess out. Do you do that too? And you see things posted, say, oh, that, that deserves an article to remind people that's. Don't, don't take that far down the road. Take this.
- [03:35]
B
A lot of my articles, I have several that are in motion for that reason. And, and many of them I write with, with objections in mind. You. Because people are objecting to our view. And so I, I think, you know, just even about, you know, many of those within the Covenant theology reject the idea of a future Third Temple. It's like. And they make us out to be these crazy lunatics. And so I, I wrote an article, are we Crazy to Believe in the Third Temple? And so I just. That was the title. And so I wrote, you know, what the Bible says. Not only that, but I was able to provide like at least a dozen to 20 different elements within church history going all the way back, because they're like, this isn't, this is new. And you're like, no, no, here, the, here's the evidence from church history. You look at it yourself, talking about a future physical temple. This is after the temple was destroyed. So I appreciate those, those kind of articles like you're describing because I'm like, okay, I'm up for the challenge.
- [04:34]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right? And it, it always boils down to, and, and this is more for our listeners. You already know this, Mondo, but it always boils down to the text. Do you take the scriptures at face value? Do you take it seriously? Is it, is the meaning exactly what it says here? Our foundation is the text. We go there for truth and reality and teaching and, and that applies just as well in the field of eschatology. The problem, folks. And, and mano, I'll let you comment on this. The, the, the problem. We're getting completely off of the questions I wanted to ask. But guess what?
- [05:19]
B
It's important stuff for sure.
- [05:21]
A
It's, it's, it's important stuff. The recent, the, the recent Tucker Carlson interview with, with J.D. holland. There were so many I, I haven't watched the whole thing and, and numbered them, but there were so just what I did see, there are so many outright falsehoods in, in what was said that I am glad to see a number of people in our circle that have offered a rebuttal to that. And it always boils down to this. Do you believe the text or are you going to spiritualize and allegorize and twist it around and then claim that that's what it means? And the early church fathers saw it that way too, because that's simply not the case in any of that, is it?
- [06:12]
B
No. And we did. Dr. J.B. hickson was here and I said hey, we were here filming on some other things. I go, we got to do a rebuttal. So I had listened to it, I believe twice Tucker's and then line by line, minute by minute, you know, and so we had a full discussion because that's, and that's really what it comes down to is you. They have this claim that, well, this is what church history has taught. And you go yeah, maybe from the Middle Ages, you know, honestly, because I mean any church historian worth its worth his salt is going to know that really from Augustine is really when it got solidified on. That's true Once. Once. Once the, once the Christian church became lawful under, you know, later, later than Constantine, but pretty much under Constantine and became okay, tolerated and then became part of the, the religion, a part of the empire in, in the late 4th century, well then everything changed and with Augustine, 400 A.D. so but if you go back before him, you know, Achillesm and modern day pre millennialism, that was the standard fare of everything. And so to say that, that they were holding to, to a church view, you're like, yeah, from 400 A.D. on that. That is, that is the case. But before that, and we know the early centuries is you could find somebody to agree with you on anything. Okay, there's a lot of confusion, but there's no doubt with the premillennial ideas and stuff and very straightforward. A return of Jesus as a literal king. That was well known. It isn't new.
- [07:46]
A
Yeah, that's, that's exactly right. And you named Augustine. He was a turning point and as most, most of our viewers understand, Augustine was, was a Gnostic before he came to faith in, in the Lord Jesus Christ and that that changed everything for him. And that was, that was three I want to say 375, 80, something like that when he was saved began to refute and teach against all of the gnostic heresies that he had once championed. But he did adopt amillennialism. He, he departed from pre millennialism, adopted Amillennialism which forces folks, amillennialism forces you to allegorize and spiritualize because as a, as an explanation for eschatology the piece that it addresses amillennials cannot answer the necessary questions and tries to avoid them actually because if you answer them straightforward from the text, amillennialism collapses. And so that was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church and through the Reformation and Covenant theology folks that from which replacement theology was was birthed. That was a product of, of the reformers of the Reformation. That that wasn't church predominant church doctrine as as JD And Tucker tried to make out. But anyway we didn't, we didn't schedule this time to talk about all that but it's important so it is.
- [09:37]
B
So I
- [09:41]
A
providing that that background Mondo. So let's talk about current events for a while. President Trump, you know, I'm surprised I'm not hearing it more from the Democrat. You know I'm still, I'm going to start calling the Dems the Democratic Socialists of America because that's what they're becoming.
- [10:00]
B
They really are rapidly
- [10:04]
A
and, and nobody's safe on, on, on the Democrat side. I was just talking to JB Hickson the other day and I brought it up to him that hit right there in his own state of Colorado. There was a, There was a 30 year congresswoman.
- [10:20]
B
Yeah.
- [10:21]
A
Was defeated by a first time candidate who was, who was pushed by the Democratic Socialists of America. These people aren't going away. No. They, the, the new face of the Democrat party, aren't they?
- [10:39]
B
Yes. 100 and it's interesting watching the leadership of the Democrat Party cower surprisingly to this, this younger it's, it really is more of a younger group. We, you, we see already that AOC is being put out there and she's very flattered by it of being a presidential candidate for The Democrats in 28, going along you know, with Newsome and they're, they're, they're, they're not attacking each other yet. But the other thing too is you know, they're putting her forward to replace Schumer in New York or to challenge him in the primary and she would love to get her hands in the Senate, there's no doubt about that. So and even for her Some of these people are more extreme than she is.
- [11:21]
A
Yes.
- [11:22]
B
Yet even for her, she's been reluctant to, to say anything because in, in their ways, they have a common enemy, which is America. They both hate America. Just one is more extreme than the other. So it's interesting watching all that unfold, but it's, it is taking it over for sure.
- [11:38]
A
Yeah. Yeah, it is. And you know when, and this was probably three weeks or so ago, when James Carville starts screaming and hollering that something's going, you know, thinking man.
- [11:53]
B
Yep. I mean, when, Yep. When he's, when, when, when they, when they have lost him. Wow, that's a big deal.
- [12:02]
A
Never thought I'd see the day, Mondo, but here we are. So, so President Trump, I started and then I, then I, because I was going to say flip flopping, maybe I'll be kinder and say is vacillating. Those people are the most rational and logical. We've, we've got people now that running Iran that we can deal with and, and we're going to get this memorandum of understanding done and that's going to lead the peace to the truce and then we're going to get an agreement in place and, and then last week. These people are the most evil on the face of the earth. They're irrational. You can't deal with them. They're crazy. He said, what do you make of that? What, who's talking to him, Mondo?
- [12:53]
B
That's what I'd like to know. Because there's no doubt that every president is, comes with different, a different set of skills or background. And no doubt, you know, some people are experts in political science, you know, or they understand the world, the politics world. Well, you know, Trump was always labeled himself as an outsider. And I think for the most part, again, he does. He's not getting a degree in political science. He's a businessman. And so, but him coming in, you think, well, certainly he's surrounding himself with some very smart people who are political scientists in that sense. And, and I wonder like, who is talking to him? Have they not communicated? So it makes you wonder over the past, really, even going back to his first term, you know, being very naive again, as we all say. There's, there's a lot of things that Trump has done which are positive to, for our country. But in this sense, I just sit back shocked saying how in the world does he not have people telling him about the nature of radical Islam or even Middle Eastern history? And so it's like he hasn't really been an expert on or even knowledgeable of Iran, even though, you know, they brought out some quotes from him, you know, a couple decades ago when he was younger, talking about the Iran and other things. But for him to, to change, you think, okay, is, is he just now waking up to Middle Eastern history and the, the incorrigibility of Iran from the beginning? I mean, this is, this isn't anything new. But I think in his mind, again, maybe call it, maybe call it being naive in some ways, is that he's thinking, well, let's treat them like we would any other American or any other Western person in that everybody wants money, they want success, they want economic prosperity. So if we just give everybody in Iran prosperity, they can be part of the, the world system. They can have, you know, a three, a three bedroom house and they could have a picket fence. That's what everybody wants. Well, that is not what Iranians want. They're radical. They want to bring the Mahdi down in chaos. So I wonder now that is he truly waking up to again, the stubbornness of them. Is this a play, as we seen, it was like 38 times or more where he said, oh, the memorandum is ready to be signed. And then, you know, then of course it isn't so. And I, we do know that he plays geo, I would say geopolitical economics with his comments because obviously he will talk about, oh, it's there and then the markets come down or the markets go up because they're excited, that other stability. So he definitely uses words and I think he was called out by the Iranians going, trump's already said this, you know, 40 times, and he's been wrong. It's not being there. So there's several other things that we could discuss here. But what's he doing? That's the question. Is he waking up or is this more game, you know, gamemanship.
- [15:59]
A
That's, that's the question right there. Of course, those that appreciate Trump, like Trump, defend him no matter what transpires, will say, you know, while he's, he's playing 4D chess or whatever, and, and listen, friends, I'm, I appreciate President Trump, I really do. I'm. This is not a bash President Trump at all. In fact, I was talking to Pete Garcia the other day and he made a comment and I think he was quoting somebody else and I don't remember who he said he was quoting, but he said, President Trump has done 20 years worth of work in the last two years. And I thought about that for a second and I said, you Know, I, I agree with that. He has, he has done. The problem with it, of course, is that the bulk of it is through executive order. And we all know what happens when the next administration comes in. If it's on the other side of the aisle, every one of those EOs gets reversed. And yep, we return back to the way it was prior to President Trump. So, yeah. Or maybe worse perspective. Mondo, go ahead.
- [17:15]
B
Yeah, I'm gonna say, or maybe even worse, because you do see this, this pendulum back and forth. And so again, there, there's, it's almost as if each president is looking to not only undo what the previous one did, but then to aggravate it. And I would say that that's probably on both sides. You know, it's nice when, when that person's on our viewpoints so sure that the lefts think the same way. And so I do agree that the, there is this, this stalemate within, within Congress. And as we can, you know, we can get into all the, the Save America act, all these things that you're less, you realize that the best way is through Congress, of course, and then he can sign it in. But when you can't get, you know, these rhinos and everything else on board, it's really frustrating. And so you wonder too, that right now you see Trump talking about the, the whole idea of, now he's Talking about a 20% protection reimbursement tax on anything that comes through the Strait of Hormuz. And so, which I find it's interesting that some people were being critical of him saying, well, the one thing that Iran wanted to do and he was critic and he was against them, and now he's doing it. Well, I think there's a different angle. Iran is trying to control it as with, as we can see for making money. But Trump's. I think there's two things that Trump's doing. Sometimes, sometimes he's actually pretty smart negotiator. But is the idea of, hey, we're just trying to reimburse ourselves for the work that we've already done. But secondly, I, I could see him going, hey, but if you don't want to pay the, the, the, the reimbursement tax because of our protection there, just buy American oil and you can save 20%. Now I would totally expect him to do something like that because that he is certainly America first. And so it makes you wonder too, in all this, there's no doubt that Trump is concerned about the midterms and that a lot of the, the, the, the Flip flopping with the language was meant to keep the gasoline prices down and energy prices down. So that very much is true. So I know he's cognizant of it. And so of course the media is trying to portray it that way. So what does it look like in the next few months? I mean, that's, I think stability is what he does want for the sake of the midterms. Now after that, it'd be interesting. It's kind of like as we know, depending on the results there, hands off like you can after the midterms over. I mean, I hope that he, I hope that he does what is necessary to, to humble Iran because I will say this, that one of the things that he failed huge on, at least so far it's not over yet, is when Iran was slaughtering 50, 000 of their own people and Trump and, and, and others were saying, just wait, we're going to be there. Just hold on, we're coming, we're gonna rescue you. It's gonna, we're coming in. And that has not material. That was he, he truly has let them down. It's one thing if he didn't promise it, but to promise it and then fail for. And this is why Israel and others, even Saudi Arabia, they realize, they watch Saudi Arabia and these other countries, they're watching the way Trump is now seemingly betraying Israel and they're going, well, if he's, if he'll betray Israel, then why would he not betray us? And because Trump's going to, to shift his loyalties to what is in front of him. And so, you know, you really, honestly, again, as much as we say we might like some of the things, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust Trump until his next meeting with, you know, as we saw with China, it's like, well, he's gonna, he's gonna, there's loyalties aren't as deep as we might want them to be.
- [21:05]
A
And I don't think that's, that's Trump as a person. My sense of Trump as a person is that he is very loyal. So I lean toward the reason that, that he is that he is throwing Israel into bus and, and in the process Saudi Arabia, I mean the, the nations that are friendly right now, I think he's getting bad counsel. I, I think the, the advice as well, because remember folks, when we're talking the governor, the State Department is, is integral to forming, advancing, arguing for foreign policy. Trump listens to his advisors and they're going to make a case for what they perceive to be the best foreign policy toward this nation or whatever. And then he chooses what he thinks best. And I, I think part of it is he's getting bad counsel. Bad counsel because, and again, remember folks, these, these, the State Department for sure, that is the definition of bureaucracy. Those analysts and people, they have been entrenched there for, they've seen presidents come and go. They're basically interested in maintaining the status quo, which is not America First. And we've seen that with several past administrations. Anyway, let's talk about NATO. Mondo, the last time that, that I was there with you and Gary, we talked about NATO within the context of Turkey and yeah. And nothing's changed there. He's, he continues to rattle his sabers and say all kinds of outrageous things as a member member nation. Well, now Spain, Trump said his targets on Spain now and even recently instructed Treasury Secretary Bessant to freeze, cut off all trade with Spain in well, looks like retaliation for Spain's reef. But Spain's run by a bunch of socialists, so this is going to come to a head at some point. Mondo, have you given any thought what does NATO look Trump's already put him on notice. We're done footing the bill while you people rest and you're not building up your defense, you're not spending. That was part of the, part of the deal. You think NATO's got much of a future.
- [23:51]
B
You know that that's a great question because there's, there's a certain way to look at it. If does it have a future? As you mentioned, when you have the, the rhetoric of Erdogan, you know, I mean, he's, he's, he, it's, and of course it's, it's accelerated over the last probably five years for sure. Certainly after October 7, you know, calling, you know, is not only Israel but Netanyahu, genocidal, you know, you know, occupiers, Zionism, threat to the whole world. And so calling him Hitler, you're like, wow. So there's two things. Number one, I, I, there's no doubt there has to be some sort of fracture to some degree between Turkey and NATO now, whatever that looks like, as Turkey continues well with Erdogan at the helm to promote more of the radicalism. And so that, that doesn't, that doesn't have a part to play in Western Europe as, or, you know, just in Europe in general in the sense of NATO. But so here you have, I see a little bit of fracturing there. But the other part is what is futures? What is NATO's future in regards with America? Well, that's really, that's really troubling in the sense of that, that doesn't, that seems to be a greater fracture. Now, on the other hand, when you, if you're NATO and you lose your biggest funder, which is United States. And of course, Trump has, in his own language has been extremely belittling to, to Europe, which has been offensive. You know, again, I think what he's saying is true about their freeloading for the past couple generations, but his language is not doing it in a way that is winning friends and influencing people, so to speak. And so I do see the fracturing of NATO with the United States. But what does that also mean, though, is that when you remove the United States, I think it's going to end up in the long run, strengthening NATO because of its independence from the US because what we're seeing now is, you know, there's always been this thing of, you know, they're spending less than 2% of their GDP, and that has now changed. So the, the countries are spending and many of them, you know, are increasing. The goal is up to 5% by 2035. Well, you know, really, since I would say what, what we've been watching with Ukraine, I think there's a big difference, as we know, from 2024, 2023 and 24 under Biden to the first part of, of the first part of Trump, because Trump was trying to work with Zelensky. And Zelensky has shown himself to be this greedy, young, you know, selfish, narcissistic guy. Okay, so Trump has pulled way back. Well, then, now Europe's going, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? So they have, actually, I believe that they're, they're going to strengthen themselves because they have to. And, and so that leads into a lot of prophetic development. So I don't see NATO and Europe going away. I see this removal, strengthening them in the long run. I know that the 2035 is, is, you know, nine years out in that 5%. But nevertheless, I think they realize that Russia is not going away. And, and so we've seen their increases not only with infrastructure, like building their own weaponry. A lot of it was built on American weaponry. And so now they're, especially Germany. You know, Germany after World War II, as we know, was kind of subdued, but now they're realizing, hey, we can't, we gotta, we gotta rebuild our war machine. So that brings up a lot of questions as it relates to the future. Let's say army of the Antichrist. I think most people believe it's going to be likely to be European based or revive the same geographical region of the European Union like the Roman Empire of the first century. So is Trump in his own way hastening that development? It seems like it. Not, not that he knows it, but prophetically speaking, right?
- [27:56]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're tracking in the same direction, Mondo, because that's what I've been thinking about a lot lately is these developments with NATO, is this paving the way for the rise of these. Well, what, what Billy Crone talks about the new ten entities kings. As I look at it, just from a 20,000 foot view, it sure looks like that this could pave the way for that eventual rise of the, of the, those that are going to serve the beast. So, yeah, excellent, excellent analysis there. So Israel, I am glad to see that, that Netanyahu has said, listen, we need to figure out how to become independent from the United States, especially with munitions. We have to develop our, our own ability to produce what we'll have need of because unlike most Americans, Netanyahu and the Israelis, they understand they live under a 24 7, 365 threat of invasion and annihilation. And this current conflict with Iraq, that hasn't changed anything at all. And so how do you view Israel? I mean, I know that a lot of Israelis are kind of taken aback by Trump's recent behavior, but I think that strengthens their resolve. The if they got to go it alone, they'll go it alone. What, what are your thoughts?
- [29:53]
B
You know, you nailed it there because there's no doubt that Netanyahu is, you know, Netanyahu is a, is a masterful politician. He understands, he understands the difference and, and the changing of the guard as it relates to American administrations. He, we saw this going all the way back to Obama, then to Trump number one, and then through Biden. And, and so they, they understand that. And, and there's no doubt as well when you look at the, the, the feel in Israel today. You know, the polling is pretty strong. You know, over two thirds of Israelis are extremely disappointed in what Trump is doing because again, they feel betrayed by Trump. It's like Trump is there, he's obviously earlier, he's, he's your best friend. He's there, he's leading the charge, his partnership. He's talking about how wonderful Israel is as it relates to intelligence and, and military abilities. Remember, Trump was criticizing Saudi Arabia and some of the other countries because they weren't getting involved even if their countries are being attacked. And he's like, well, Israel's doing great. They can defend themselves. And so Trump is respecting them and their ability. And so, but now to, to see the shift lately where there's been some language that has been used between Trump towards Netanyahu, but Netanyahu is weathering it again like he, like a politician, he knows. But you, you brought it up. And I think this is a, a super important point as I was watching an interview with him yesterday and if it was Fox or Newsmax or whatever, but he, he was, they were asking him about military aid and he said, look, our, our current time frame of military aid ends in 2028. He said our goal is to be completely weaned off of the United States military aid by 2028, which is only a couple years. And then that, that would shift towards partnership. And so there's no doubt through this latest, I would say 18 months, Israel has shown itself to be one of the best militaries in the world for sure. And then not only that, but they realize that they need to not be held hostage like they were under Biden. Trump certainly let the weapons flow more, but they, again, what's the next administration? So they know that by 2028, why that? Because that's an election year. And so he knows that under the next potential more liberal minded or hater anti Semitic presidency, they have got to be on their own. And as you said, at the end of the day, we know this from Ezekiel 38 that they will be alone except for the God of Israel who will, who, who will, who will rescue them from the invading army? So they have this phrase and when you go there, it is 100 true. Never again. Never again. They know that they cannot trust an inhuman. And this latest thing has only just solidified that in their mind.
- [32:56]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Yeah. So I, I don't know if, if you check in with him or not, but there's an Israeli journalist, got a Telegram channel. I always check in daily to see what he's posting, his name. Folks, for you if, if you're on Telegram, I would encourage you to start following reading Emit Seagal's telegram channel.
- [33:21]
B
Yep.
- [33:22]
A
He, he, he lays it all out. And the one thing that, that I've noticed since Trump started this kind of distancing himself and the, the Israeli deep state has, has jumped into action and the knives are out. They are coming after Netanyahu, trying to unseat him. So far he's holding them off. But my, my question for you Mondo is do, do you think that Netanyahu is going to be able to put together another gut because and let me frame it this way. The reason I think it's important that Netanyahu survives this current election, upcoming election is that if they get somebody in there like they've had in the past that's ready to, to, to discuss land for peace, that is going to be a disaster of monumental proportions. Have you been following that and what's, what's your take on what's going on there?
- [34:37]
B
Well, if we go back for those that remember, you know, from basically 2019 through 2022, you had you know, five elections and so the Israeli governmental system is very different than ours. And so you can, you know, we're on a solid locked in four years. Well for them they have to majority in their, in their Knesset and there's, you know, you have to have 61 seats. And so that 61 seats is, is made up of all these different coalitions. You know, 5 here, 10 here, 25, 30. So that coalition that finally got solidified by Netanyahu In December of 22, I mean I've talked about it, it was 64 seats that, I mean that's a solid majority. And it was, it was but he had to do it with the religious. So that 64 seat coalition that was strong and it has been strong for the last several years is no longer strong. And so right now, I don't know, it's right now it's going to be uphill battle because hit that coalition, it's lost some different things because many of those parties have split off and at the most he might get 55 now. And that's a huge difference. Huge difference because again that's the difference. I mean it only takes two, right? It's the difference between can you bring a coalition government together and make it work. And if you don't, then you don't. And so this is why you had the five elections going back from that because they would establish it and then somebody get mad and they would bail out and then they would vote and it'd be over. So right now I don't, it's not, it doesn't look good for him. It does not look good for him because and it was interesting. You think, well what's keeping it together right now? Well, the coalition is, is down to like 62, 61 right now. So it's barely held together. And the coalition, it's not that they agree with Netanyahu either right now, but they're they're holding it together simply to hold the government together. So they're doing it almost in protest. Like, even though we don't agree with them, we're not going to vote to dissolve the government. And so you have new elections coming up in October and this is one of the, the first times, you know, recently where the, the coalition has lasted for the full term.
- [36:51]
A
So, yeah,
- [36:54]
B
right now I, I think we're heading back into this stalemate because the, what you, with the religious, they, they are very, I guess everybody has their own level of conviction, but the religious, you can have political conviction, but when you have the religious conviction added on, which of course involves the politics for the religious Jews, they are not going to bend. And so many of them would rather have stalemate than, which is what you saw, you know, all through the 2020. So is it gonna, is it gonna bring more political fatigue, which in order for them to battle out their way? Because the anti Netanyahu block has around 58 right now. So I see more stale mite coming, honestly.
- [37:41]
A
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair analysis. Mondo, you touched on it. I'll just mention it briefly for our viewers, but there is a, there is a Torah block or, or Yeshiva students studying Torah and the big push there has been for them to have to serve in the idf. And yeah, now having said that, Americans think what they don't understand that aspect of Jewish culture, but that's been a thing forever and now it isn't. And so there's, there's still things that are going to happen. I'm praying that Netanyahu will survive this and be able to continue to navigate. This is, you talk about a trying time and a very important time in the life of the nation of Israel. Well, we're in it, friends, right now. We're in it. Ramondo, let's conclude with this. What do you think that the church, if we were to talk about two or three things, what is it that the church today needs to be paying attention to, needs to change or needs to emphasize even more than it is, or are there some things that, as you have surveyed Christendom, the, the church in America today, What are some of the thoughts that you have that really need to be pressed if the church is going to rise up and meet the, the, the, the times that we're in your thoughts?
- [39:33]
B
Well, I would say that, and this has kind of been on my heart for probably the last, I would say 18 months to two years. And you know, I'm one voice and, and that's fine. And everybody has different voices. And I'm just saying for me and my voice, I've tried to, to equip the church and those even that come to our conferences and in many of my presentations, just on honestly, plain Jane, traditional hermeneutics. What does that mean? Because as we were discussing earlier, there's this conflict within the church right now and those that are part of the covenant theology, again there are brothers and sisters. I love them not saying they're going to hell, but I think they're doing a big disservice by attacking futurism. You don't have to say dispensationalism by attacking futurism or premillennialism, which again was one of the majority views in the early church the first couple centuries. And so as they attack this, it comes down to how do we interpret the Bible, you know, and really who's right here? And so that I think the church has got to go back to understanding the consistency of what we understand is like you said, reading it at face value, we understand the first coming prophecies were very straightforward. Micah 5:2 is going to be birth in Bethlehem. He literally was born in Bethlehem. He's born of a virgin. He's literally born of a virgin. So I think because why, why is that so important? Because those that fall into the non futurist group are going to be like hey, there's nothing really to see here. There's no prophetic developments. This has all either been fulfilled as a full preterist view or even a partial preterist. This is, yeah, the world's gonna might get better. But it also they're fighting against the idea that, that there's anything to be ready for. Now I'm not saying they're not preaching the gospel, but in many ways it creates a level of complacency in understanding the times. Right? We, the sons of Issachar, we know in First Chronicles, Second Chronicles, understood the times. So I find that super important. I'm not going to stop discussing that because I think that is one of the key things in order for, for the church to be equipped and ready is simply to come back to the Bible. Because again we love the Bible so I see that for sure. But then of course on the, on the other side, I think that for those of us who do believe that the earth, the, the earth and, and all of it is heading towards this climactic beast system culmination of wickedness and evil, that we do have to do our part and to occupy until he actually comes. And so that means, you know, learning and growing in all areas of theology, not just eschatology. But so I like, at least have eschatology, have that framework there, but grow in our sanctification and grow in our readiness. And so to me, just from a pastoral perspective, when I was pastoring, that's exactly what I focused on. And so I think sometimes I would lovingly criticize and say, look, if you have the entire book of Revelation memorized, but you don't understand the truths of Ephesians, you know, or Colossians, hey, you're a little out of balance.
- [42:46]
A
Yeah. Amen. Amen. Yeah, that's good. Good encouragement and, and folks, listen, it is important where you fellowship. It is important what your pastor believes, because you're going to hear what he believes. It is important what education and training he had, what, what seminary he came through if he did. And I'm not suggesting that that's a requirement. The pastor. In fact, I'm a Calvary Chapel guy, even though I've got the advanced education, we don't think that's necessary. It's important. But if you are a. A man filled with the spirit of God and you love his people and he has given you an ability to teach his word, go for it. Go for it. So I just want to encourage folks that have joined us today to keep your eye on. On Christ. There's so many things that going. I mean, we've talked about them, Mondo. So many things we could get discouraged about, but we're not given to that. We're given to hope. We're given to joy. A joy that this world and its circumstances cannot rob us of because it is generated by the spirit of God. Let's be that kind of a man or a woman for Christ. And that testimony will go a long way in your family, among your friends, even in your workplace when they. When they say the world's falling apart and yet you seem to be someone who has joy. Why is that going? An opportunity to share Christ. So let's focus on that and not all this other stuff. It's good to be up to speed. Got to be up to speed on what's happening. But never forget the reason that we live and have. Have joy in this life is because of Jesus Christ. Mondo. I appreciate you, brother. Appreciate Prophecy Watchers. Thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. I know you're busy.
- [44:52]
B
Appreciate it. It's always good to be here.
- [44:55]
A
God bless you, folks. That's all we've got. For you today. Please share this on your platforms and and with your friends and on your social media. We appreciate that very much. Till we see you again. God bless. Sam.