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The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Well, hey, wake up. Welcome, guys. If I can talk correctly tonight, the whole Trump UFO thing threw me off. So welcome everybody, to the Monday Night Live. I have a special guest on Mondo Gonzalez, who I did not announce. This is a complete surprise to most of y'.
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All.
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So anyways, thank you guys for checking that, checking us out tonight and look forward to some riveting conversations. How are you doing, Mondo?
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Doing great, man. It's always good to be here with you.
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Yeah, it's been, I, I think I looked on the last video. It's been exact, almost exactly six months.
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Wow.
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So, yeah, and it just, it's flown by, hasn't it?
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Absolutely. 20, 26. I mean, here we are, man. Gee, almost. It's almost. Well, it is half over as of tomorrow.
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Oh, that's right. That's right. It's almost. It's right at the half year mark. So how's prophecy watchers these days?
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You know, we are doing good. It's. Things are busy like everybody else. We just had our conference in Colorado, which was superb, and we're looking forward to our next one in Branson, which you'll be at. Lord willing, all of us will be there. December.
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Yeah. And are y' all ever going back to Florida or no?
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Yes, we have Florida. Orlando is on the schedule now for April of 27th.
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Awesome. Very nice, very nice. So for the folks in Florida, you won't have to wait too much longer. Hopefully we'll have already been called up at that point, but we'll have to wait and see how the rest of this year shakes out. So tonight I wanted to, I wanted to talk about. I'm calling this the Cosmic Gospel because I think at the, after the rapture of the church, you know, as LA Marzulli said a lot, you know, when we go up, they come down. And I remember talking to him back in the first Colorado Prophecy Watchers conference that I ever spoke at, and that was in 21 or 22. I can't remember the year.
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22.
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22. And I remember I, I hadn't, I didn't even know LA at the time. I mean, I, I'm sure he had heard about me before, just like articles or whatever, but he didn't know who I was and I was just talking and, and we were always like, you know, it's when the Rapture happened. The Rapture is going to be a global level crisis. And if you have a global crisis, you're going to need a global distraction. And that thought had just ruminated in my minds. And I was talking to him and I was sharing that with him, and he's already been saying this for, like, you know, 15 years, but I didn't know that. It just dawned on me, like, you know, it's gonna take a. It's funny how the Holy Spirit works in that, like, brings these ideas to mind that you. You in your own power would have never really thought about or even not needed to think about. So. But the cosmic gospel is. It's not a particular doctrine. It's. It's. In fact, right now, the people that have kind of hijacked that terminology is the Charismatic movement. And not just the charismatic, but, I mean, I'm talking about the name it, claim it, People on stage, Prosperity gospel, you know, the people that think that you can manifest things into reality. And that's one of the things people don't understand about Trump is that I think he. He was raised or he attended the. The Church of Norman Vincent Peel for. For a long time growing up. And so he was brought up in this type of Paula White type of, I guess, religion or form of religion that you just kind of talk things and that you can manifest things. So that's why he's always, like, overhyping everything, and he's always proclaiming it as the greatest ever or the best thing ever or, you know, and he's trying to manifest these things into reality by speaking them into it. So I don't know. I mean, that's neither here nor there. It's just some. It's something. If you listen to him going forward, you got to think, okay, well, he was raised with this mindset of, like, being able to speak things into existence. So I've seen some. If you go on YouTube and just type up cosmic Gospel, there's a guy named Justin Paul Abraham. I think he's a British kind of charismatic guy, and he kind of uses this language all the time about manifesting and having this kind of inert divine power within each of us, and that when we're saved or born again, that kind of unleashes that. And I had first come across this idea when I shared that X post with you from Paul Biglano, I think is his name. I think his name is Paul Biglano or more. I'm sorry, Morrow. Morrow Biglano. He translated Hebrew text for the Catholic publishing company Edizioni San Paulo before he left. But he left or was let go by the Vatican because of his interpretations from the. Whatever these ancient Hebrew texts that they have in the. The library. This bat. I don't. Have you ever been to the library in the Vatican or the library under the Vatican? I've been to the Vatican before, but I've never been down underneath to the, you know, where the cat, I guess, where. I don't know if it's catacombs or they have these massive libraries down there.
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Yeah, I've been there a couple times, but I think you have special access to get into the. To the library down there.
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Yeah. So he translated these books and then he came to the conclusion basically of what we would think of as like ancient app. Astronauts or ancient astronauts. And you know that show, if you go on the History Channel, basically the whole premise of that is that I don't even know the time frame. Millions of years ago, these. These enlightened beings came and they seeded the Earth and they're just coming back now to check on their progeny or whatever we are to them. Experiment, ant farm or something, you know. And so he's interpreting these books and he comes to the conclusion that the Bible really teaches that we are children of these ancient astronauts. And when you go through the Bible and you start reading through the text, it's funny because they're. They're going to take all the same passages that we would read, you know, like First John 3 about us becoming like Christ was after his resurrection or, you know, other New Testament passages calling us the sons of God and all of those types of spiritual transitions that we would have the rapture itself, you know, going from immortal to. Or going from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible, as we see in First Corinthians 15 there. But they would take those kinds of verses and they would. They would show that in from a New Age perspective. And now it seems like it's not that. It's not that big a deal right now. It's kind of one of those fringe things. But I want to quickly make a comparison to. If you think back to the 1920s, there was a young man, a young German painter. He was a war vet from World War I. You know, he. He got under the influence of some other Aryan type of philosophers and teachers, and he was being groomed by the philosophers on one side about the ideology. But then when other guys began to take notice of him, began to think this guy could have the skills to lead us, and they begin to teach him how to speak publicly and how to give these rousing speeches and work on the emotions. And so there was a Young man named Adolf Hitler that was being groomed early on and really all through the 1920s, the Nazi party or the Nationalist Socialist Party. I can't say it in German. It's super crazy. Long word. National niece. I don't know, I'm not even trying, but you can look it up. And they were, they were just kind of like a French party. Nobody really took them that seriously until they won the majority in the Reichstag. And then they somehow pressured the Chancellor at the time to give up his power to this young man. And the rest is history, as they would say. I'm going to argue the case that right now, the World Council of Churches, the Vatican, a lot of these kind of ecumenical groups that are out there that rep. That are being funded by the United nations, you know, the World Economic Forum, all these type of globalist organizations, these type of churches aren't very well known today or aren't very powerful. They don't. They're. When they put out something that doesn't have any authority necessarily. But I want to say that one second after the Rapture, they're going to be looked at as the religious authorities on the earth and they're going to get immense power and they're going to quickly radicalize this idea that what happened, and we talk about this all the time in our community, but what really happened was these alien things showed up. And I fully expect that the rapture, that one second after the rapture, the skies are going to be full of those things, those UFOs and, and whatever, UAPs and orbs, and they may even come down and manifest physically. I don't know. But I think that people are. The people that aren't there physically present with somebody that was actually Raptured right
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in front of them.
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They are going to, they're going to believe that the aliens took them. And I, I'm growing in this belief that this is going to be the big delusion that they buy into. I, I don't know. What are your thoughts on the great delusion in second Thessalonians too?
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Yeah, the. I'll step back just a second because the Vatican guy, he. The thing that makes him so dangerous is that he, it was the way that he was labeled. Here's a guy that has all these academic credentials. He was the official translator for ancient scripts for the Vatican. And therefore he's coming out with some of these new interpretations primarily around, you know, Genesis 6, verse 4, the Nephilim. And he came up with this. This. He said, well, basically he said, the word Nephilim means those from Orion, like the constellation Orion. And you know, look, I took Hebrew in seminary, so I know how to read Hebrew. And there is no way that this guy is correct in any possible way. In fact, Michael Heiser, who, you know, had a PhD in Hebrew in Hebrew was very, was quite clear that discussing the nature of the word nephilim and its root and it comes back through a whole bunch of what they call Hebrew morphology and the way that the language is the endings and the roots of Hebrew, that it means giants, it means giants, it doesn't mean fallen ones, it means giants. And it's from an Aramaic term. So when this guy comes out and says, oh really, the root comes back and it really means people from Orion. He is just so far gone in every conceivable world. But the problem is, is that the typical person is going to believe him because, well, how am I to argue? He's got credentials. And so when you think about that and the way that the Vatican in over the past 20 years, a lot of work that Tom Horn has done as well, the late Tom Horn, Mount Graham and the Lucifer telescope and all these other things, he did a great job of showing how the, the Vatican astronomers will. Were quite clear that they'd be happy to baptize aliens and also that the aliens are part of God's creation and therefore they probably have other forms of revelation that we don't have. And so we need to be humble in order to submit to whatever revelation they might come and share with us, because the Bible is insufficient. So the Vatican is headlong in all of this. And then of course, if you. Let me say it this way, if you, if you take. Are there, Are there any Catholics who are truly born again, saved? Probably. Probably. Right. Okay. I, I have no problems with that. I, I don't. I'm not a fan of Catholic theology. I think it's a false gospel and everything else, but the Catholic person who is trusts in Jesus in the midst of how that's even possible in the Catholic Church, which I know a lot about, but imagine you remove them, remove all the believers, including those within the Catholic system, and it is a hundred percent, completely set up for the great delusion. It's hard for me to believe that answering your question specifically, it's hard for me to believe that the alien agenda, the alien mythos that has been with us for 70 years, 75 years, is not going to have some part to play, at least in some of the original deception that takes place. Because we know eventually it becomes the Antichrist religion. Right. They're going to be worshipping the dragon and we could talk about that. But nevertheless, it's. I don't think I've said this before, like, okay, you and me, Pete, 200 years from now, we're going to be somewhere in the millennium on, on assignment and hey, Pete, where you been? Oh man, I've been over here on my horse. I've been over here. We're doing this. God has me doing that. I say, hey, you know, Pete, remember that podcast we did way back a couple hundred years ago? You know, whatever happened with the alien stuff? That never, that never. That never really materialized. I don't think we're going to be saying that at all.
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Yeah, I don't either. I don't either. I think, in fact, I mean, you got to think about it right now. You've got. Since at least the early 1900s, Christianity has been losing ground, especially after the Scopes trial there and what year that was? 1925. 25. And you had the out, you know, you had World War I, you had the Scopes trial, then you had World War II. So you had a ton of stuff going on in the world that was just really earth shattering. But under, in the background you had guys like all this Huxley. Who's the guy that did the Dewey? John was it? John Dewey is his name. You had a lot of these humanists that were coming into the education system and they're beginning to undermine biblical Christianity and, and really trying to, and I would say probably subtle ways, begin to introduce humanism and human secularism into the text as the standard of truth or the standard of facts. And then everything that had a religious tent to it or was from the Bible was written off as, you know, mythology.
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It was written off as just very anti Christian specifically.
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Yeah. And so from there, you know, really, I mean, multiply that times a thousand and across the universities and the seminaries, and then those guys are graduating and they begin to go down and teach in the, the public education arena and they are quickly diminishing the role of the church. So you have a weekend church in the 20th century, you have little sporadic pockets of evangelicalism that are, you know, like the Billy Graham Crusades or the, the Calvary Chapel movement in the 70s. And then you had, you know, little bits and pieces here, but it's never, it's never anything that, that really results in trans. Transforming the nation. The nation keeps on the same trajectory of just sliding into, I don't know, general wickedness. If I can just put it in that phrase. And so we're at this time now in 2026, where the church is arguably probably at its weakest point that it's been in the last two or three hundred years in this nation at least. And at the same time you have a whole bunch of stuff starting to happen that's supernatural. And even on the good side of Christianity, that's the side that was standing up for the truth and never wavered. They had been so pressured into rejecting the supernatural for the, for the naturalistic or the material explanations. And, and in some ways that was a benefit to the church because it caused the church to have to dig in and prove scientifically that, that the Bible is true. So there's, there's that on the good side. But so many within Christianity then began to reject the supernatural aspects of the Bible. Things like the nephilim, the rapture of the church, a literal, grammatical, historical taking of the book of Revelation and other prophetic passages that the church now is at this time. We're so divided. We're divided by denominations. You've got denominations within denominations that are breaking away and starting these little box churches, you know, non denominational. You got, I mean I could drive up and down anywhere in this metroplex area and I will run across so many churches that have love church or friend church or this church or the, or the corner church or you have no idea where they came from because nobody identifies as a denomination anymore. So the church is diminished. We're, we're, I'm not diminished. We're diluted. We're being so spread out across so much of the, the urban sprawl and yet nobody is willing to put their statement of faith anymore on their websites. I mean if you do, you have to like dig into the bylaws and find, you know, dig in and figure out. And if you do find a statement of faith, it's super generic, right? So I would say that the church has lost a lot of its ability or lost a lot of its authority to, to speak to issues that we're seeing now. And so conversely, at the same time, the church is at its weakest point. We have this explosion, supernatural phenomena and paranormal type of events happening everywhere and it's increasing everywhere you go. And I don't know, like if you look at the number of life ghost hunting shows that are on, I think in the 20 teens, it was like, I mean there must have been like 30 or 40 different shows and they would just go everywhere and everywhere was like the most haunted And I'm like, well, how are all these towns now becoming? I mean, were they always haunted or is this something that's just kind of happening and it just seems like it's kind of exploding everywhere? And it makes me think back to Daniel, where Daniel was, you know, Gabriel was held up by the Prince of Persia. And so whatever the prince, the demonic prince that is over the United States, I think because the nation itself is rejecting God either out outrightly or they are rejecting him in practice. That they are, that it is somehow it is allowing these things to kind of manifest more and more into this world. And it's, it's. I think there's not that many people. There's. I, you man, you'd be hard pressed to find a church or a pastor that's actually teaching on the Nephilim or teaching on what these things are outside of like Brandon whole house. And, and there's a, there's a few, there's a few big pastors. But I mean by and large 99 of the churches here, I doubt seriously they would ever even teach on it or even mention that, let alone the Rapture or you know, the Second Coming or the judgments or any of these other things that are about to come upon the earth. So it's, it's now the, the humanists, the secularists, etc, the New Agers, we are now entering into what they think of as, you know, from the humanistic perspective. We're coming into the fourth turning point. We're coming into the cyber physical. We're in the cyber physical age. And that's also coming to the point of a great reset, that the world is kind of earmarked for 2030 for some strange reason. And then at the same time, from the New Age perspective, we're coming into the age of Aquarius and that these things that are showing up increasingly greater numbers and they're getting more visibility because of all of the congressional hearings and stuff and the releasing of these UFO files, the, from these tranches that have come out from the Pentagon. It's only fanning the flames for all of this stuff. And, and I'm, there's a lot of people online now, I would say probably, I don't know what the percentage is a thousand percent more people online claiming to like talk to these things and interacting with these things. And I would caution that just as much as I would caution somebody from playing the Ouija board, you know, or 100. It's, to me it's just like something you don't want to mess with. But it's, it's, it's eating up more and more news time. You've got serious news anchors like Brett Bear talking with UFO whistleblowers. I think he spoke with David Grush and maybe Commander Fraver and some of these other folks. But it's gotten a lot of, it's got a lot of legs on it now, where even five, 10 years ago it didn't have that. What do you think?
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No, 100% we're seeing a shift. This is the shift that we, I think that we would expect it to happen because of the lack of, of biblical clarity or even biblical respect in, In Pastimes column traditions. But it was at least part of the culture that those things were considered taboo. Right. For a reason. You would never go see a, a psychic or you know, you play with the Ouija board. I mean, those things were, you know, even to the point of being relatively superstitious, which in that sense is better to be safe than sorry. And so I think we're seeing a shift here as we're approaching the end of the age. We know that, that there is a, in First Timothy four, in the latter times, there's going to be departure from the faith. I think, I don't even think we've seen the fullness of it because, you know, in the. Yes, I believe that. I really do believe that the latter times began in 1948 with Israel. And so. But of course, you know, things increase the frequency and intensity if we go. But the, the time period of the seven year tribulation period, it is 100 religious, it's supernatural. The whole, it's like the, the veil is going to be completely shredded and supernaturalism is going to be everywhere. And but what you see now, I mean, even in the past few years, especially, you know, during the Biden administration, how often did we see witches and witches, covens and others just right out in the open, public embraced, no shame at all, no fear, it wasn't taboo. Just the culture itself is completely blind to what is coming. And when that reality comes. I mean, that's why Jesus said in Matthew 24:4, the first thing, let no one deceive you. That, that to me the biggest descriptor of all of the seven year tribulation. Yeah. Lawlessness, etc. But deception is the biggest indicator 100, hands down.
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Yeah, no, I, I agree. And you know, so we're in, according to the New Agers, we're in the, we're coming into the Age of Aquarius. They go back to, they can draw Back on historically, they can draw back on these movements that have happened in the past, like theosophy and you know, Helena Blavatsky and then later on Alice Bailey and this guy named Eric von Deniken. He's the guy that came up with the term ancient astronauts.
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Chariot of the gods and all that.
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Yeah. And what I think is interesting is that if you. So from 2011 till present, we've had foreign. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. We've had at least since 2011. Well, really from 2011. Well, there was one White House UFO response if they were responding to a petition and they basically said, there's no, we don't know about any. There's no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or cover ups. And then the next big thing that happens is in 2017, a tip is revealed and then it's just like 50, you know, 14 other things are then released from the government. Either the government is doing some type of congressional hearing on them or there's a task force being stood up, or one of the branches of the military is confirming something or it's just, you know, it's, it's, it's gotten these legs and it's taken off and it's running and it's, it's, it's fascinating today because, you know, most scholars of any background, there's very few that, that would deny Jesus actually existed. What, what is interesting is, I guess I don't know if it was from Helena Blavatsky, maybe even before her, at least in modern times, where Jesus is now this enlightened master. He is. He is. He. He was a ancient astronaut, I guess, you know, you could say, or he was from their kind. And when you look at scripture and you start reading through all the different passages about, you know, that our, our home isn't here. You know, we're just sojourners on the earth and we're waiting for this event to happen and they're just piggybacking on the rapture event because they don't have anything. I mean, that's what Satan does anyways. He can't create anything uniquely. He, he has to take what's already there and corrupt it and pervert it. And so when we think about these gray aliens being meat suits or whatever that are inhabited, possessed, I would look at them not as life forms necessarily, but I would look at them as like insects are, you know, like an, an insect is alive, but it doesn't like an ant doesn't Even have a brain. How does it function? There's a lot of insects that don't have brains. So how do they function? They function by pheromones or they function by some other type of chemical reaction going on. So these things are able to be able to be manipulated. And going back to the book of Enoch, I think it was in the Book of Enoch that talks about. It was in the days of Jared that these fallen angels began to teach mankind how to do things that, that through the normal processes of time would have taken, you know, hundreds to thousands of years. But they're given all this stuff right off the bat, like how to make weapons and women, how to make, put on makeup and seduce men. And then pharmakia stuff probably mixing and combining different plants and things together. There's a mushroom out there. No kidding. And they don't even know how it works because it's a, it's not a psycho active mushroom or the psilocybus or whatever it's called. And it makes you see small people. It makes you see like little, I'm not like Lilliputians or something, you know, like it makes you see and it goes on for days. And then the scientists are trying to figure out why it does this. I don't know. I'm sure it has some kind of spiritual component to it. But back to Jesus being this kind of cosmic genie. He's just, you know, according to the New Agers, he is just an enlightened master among one amongst many. And this whole idea of we're not alone in the universe. I mean, think back to Darwin, right? So what did Darwin and the theory of evolution posit to mankind? That we, we are not unique. We're just one amongst many other kind of life forms that are evolving from one state to another. And so that was the lie from the 1850s going forward. And so here in the, the, you know, I would say probably as late as the, or the, as early as the 1950s, we start to realize maybe we're not alone. So we're not unique and we're not alone, you know, and so that goes so far and it's, it's subtle, but it goes so far in undermining the authority of scripture. Because the Bible is saying that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and he created everything within six days. And in that garden he put two, two humans, the first two humans, and that they existed and, and that because of their actions, you know, they ate from the, the tree of the knowledge of good and Evil that because of that desire to be like God that it caused the downfall it caused, you know, that rebellion caused the first sin, ushering in death, ushering in corruption of creation and everything that's happened thus far. But that's that same desire for mankind to be like God, to have that knowledge, that hidden knowledge that has driven all of the cults, all of the religions, all of the secret societies, everything going all the way up until our present day. And that this is just a new manifestation of this. It's, it's like a revival of the, the pre flood world where so much supernatural stuff was happening, it was almost normal. And I would say today so much supernatural stuff is happening. I mean look at all these tranches that are coming out and it doesn't even hardly make, I mean it makes the news but it's not like you know, earth shattering type of news. And I, I, you know, Satan is, if above everything else he's a narcissist and he cannot stand the story not to be about him. And so I guarantee you that we're going to start seeing stuff that comes out between now and the rapture that is gonna cause us, you and me and people that study this stuff and look at this stuff all the time to scratch our head and like what is that or how, how is that? You know what is. And so multiply that times a million to just the average layperson who doesn't read their Bible, their, their idea of Christianity is just going to church once a week, doing their one hour in there and then they go out and do whatever else they're going to do and they're, they're going to be swept up in all this. And I can see how easily that people are going to buy into this, this idea that we're not alone, we're not unique and we're not alone and we're just a one species amongst perhaps trillions in the galaxy or in the universe that is coming to this, into this age of Aquarius. And you know the Bible and I'm, you know you can make, anybody can make the Bible say anything they want it to say. And that's why we have so many different religions, that's why we have cults, that's why you have denominations. You know I, I think the last time I looked there was something like 40000 different denominations or sex within Christianity. And I mean even the Catholic Church has break offs of the Catholic Church. So even these, even yeah, even Islam, I mean look at Islam is supposedly we're so Monolithic. No, they're not. They're. They're fractured until they're increasingly becoming more fractured as time goes along. But, you know, within Christianity, so much of the church refuses to even recognize this as an issue that people are. People are naturally drawn to these topics. When you have something that defies the laws of physics now you're.
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You're.
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And you're seeing that on the news, you're not seeing that on the Disney Channel on a Marvel movie or something. You're thinking, like, how is that possible? And so your mind turns. Okay, I guess either the government has this super Secret squirrel stuff that. That nobody knows about, with some of that turns out to be. But there's other stuff that. Like the Miami Mall, for example, you had, like, I don't know, two or 300 cops show up, all these reports coming out, and they did a recreation of. Of baby. Everybody's like, eyewitness statements, and they made this video, and it was, like, super creepy. I don't know if I could find it. I don't know. It's. It seems like everything is kind of converging right now into this little bit of time that we're in, this little window of time. So many things are swirling around and the church is just asleep at the wheel. And the Mormons, all of this stuff with UFOs and extraterrestrials and UAPs and all that, this all feeds into the stuff that they believe already because, you know, they don't believe in this. And I. I'm sure I'll get some pushback on this for Mormons. But the Mormons that don't know their. Their history, that Brigham Young and Joseph Smith and others had taught that, you know, God was once a man.
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Yep.
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And that some God before him made him a God, and then that God before him was also a man, and some God before him made him a man. You know what I mean? Like, it just goes on. But it's the eternal progression. Yeah, the eternal. Or was it eternal regression or progress
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Progression, because they're progressing in their mind. Everybody gets a chance to be their own God. Yep.
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So that feeds into that narrative as well, you know, in terms of cosmic brothers and sisters out there in space somewhere. And so I can just see it all coming together. I used to kind of laugh at this idea about ecumenism. I always just thought it was going to be some type of. I didn't ever think it was Islam, because I think Islam was too.
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Too radical.
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It's too radical, too violent. And it just is not going to be accepted by the masses, nor will they accept others.
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You know, they're not, they're not tolerant.
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They would not tolerate the Antichrist. You know, if a guy came out and said, hey, you got to worship me, they would rise up. Satan has no use for that. But you know, you mentioned something earlier about, you know, the church here being on the earth and you know, in the absence of the church at the rapture, who shows up?
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Say that again?
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After the church is raptured, who shows up?
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Well, we would expect that at least the Antichrist does in some form. I mean, he's here in, in some way, right?
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Well, yeah, I was thinking about on the good side, on the, on God's team.
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Oh, oh, like the two witnesses.
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The two witnesses, right. We don't know exactly when they're going to show up, but they're going to have supernatural powers.
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Yep.
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And to my knowledge, people are going to be pretty pissed off about them having the supernatural powers.
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They send gifts. I mean, think about odd that is, it's like Christmas. I mean, it's so weird that they. The world sends gifts because it says clearly in Revelation 11 that they're dead in the street and people are glad because they tormented them. So their ministry is not going to be Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. It's going to be Jesus loves you, you better repent. And here comes fire and brimstone. So it talks about that actual phraseology in, in, in chapter 11. So they rejoice over their death for three and a half days. So, and even there, that's another fascinating thing to see, that God resurrects them and says, come up here. And in front of their enemies, they go up. So another testimony of God's victory.
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Yeah, but you know, it's. I guess what I'm thinking of too is that we've lived in this day and age, at least for the last 200 something years, where the supernatural's been completely kind of just dismissed with the exception of like the new age and the cults and stuff and, and certain, you know, Christians like us that believe in the supernatural, we accept it. But for the most part, the world has been starved of the supernatural. When these things show up, the Antichrist and the false prophet and now the two witnesses that God's going to push down or send down to the earth and they're going to have supernatural powers, the world is going to change radically to where the supernatural is going to become the new normal again. And I just don't think A lot of people are going to be able to handle that. No, people that are left behind are going to have a hard time seeing the things that they're seeing.
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Supernaturalism, by its very nature is impactful, whether for good or evil. And so, you know, especially for us who are very naturalistic or scientifically minded, someone to come along and to demonstrate, you know, clear power. All power and signs and lying wonders. You know, as second Thessalonians 2 describes the Antichrist reign. Most people don't have the ability to emotionally, to overcome that or to resist it because it's going to be so overwhelmingly convincing. And that's why it is called the Great Delusion, because the only thing that's going to stand apart from that is truth. And what truth? The truth of that dusty old book, the Bible. Seriously, you know, what's. What do you find in there? But yet the words of eternal life.
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So, yeah, it's pretty amazing. It's. It's amazing what God chose to use. He could have put the gospel. He could have engraved it onto the moon, like in such giant letters that nobody could ever touch it or it would be ever present. You know, he couldn't.
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The constellations. He could have said, God, I am God, I am here. Yeah.
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I mean, there's any number of ways he could have revealed himself to us, but he chose to do it in a manner that would. One would be under, you know, could be understood by, you know, everybody from a child to a. To a, you know, a man on his deathbed at the age of 99. You know, it's. It's something that's so simple, yet you could spend your. You've been studying the Bible for how many decades now?
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Oh, 35 years.
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So. And you've barely scratched the surface.
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Always learning something new, man.
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Yeah, as have I. I mean, I, I barely scratched the surface with it because it's, there's just so much. There's. And in fact, one of the, one of the presentations I'm going to do, I don't know when I'll do it, maybe one of the conferences coming up, but I want to do all the, just the cool things in Scripture, you know, that you, that people gloss over and like, you know, the, the two announcements by John the Baptist, you know, and John the Baptist, I think it's John chapter one, where John the Baptist, the first time that Jesus coming to get baptized, he said, behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. World. And then the second time he announces them, behold the Lamb of God, he doesn't say it a second time. That takes away the sins of the world because he's only going to do it one time, you know, but it's like little things like that you find in scripture that's just like, so cool it it to me, I don't know if it's going to factor into any of this or if the two witnesses are able to pinpoint it exactly and say, no, this is right here. So let me ask you this too. This is more on the Temple Mount stuff. You know, in Israel to me is like the epicenter for, not only is it the epicenter for all of Bible prophecy, but when it comes to spiritual warfare, I think that it's also probably epicenter of the world. But you've got, here's Satan. Satan we know in, I think it's in Second Corinthians chapter one where it's, or maybe it's in First Corinthians two or three. I don't have my Bible with me right here. But is it where they would not have crucified if they'd have known why Christ had come, they would not have crucified the lord of glory.
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First Corinthians 2, 7 and 8.
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Yeah, First Corinthians 2, 7, 8. Okay, and then if so, if that's the case, right, is Satan currently trying to slow down the formation of the beast kingdom or is he. Because he knows if that happens, then, you know, he's only got like seven years left. Or is he, or is he actively trying to speed it up or like, why, why do we feel like this tension is going on between things speeding up? And yet at the same time, why would Satan do that if it's to his detriment that he does that?
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So I think that the, the verse there in chapter two Corinthians is plural. So I think you have more than just Satan. But now, does Satan have ironclad rulership over his subordinates or do you have tensions? I mean, think about a room full of selfish, egotistical beings, right? They're all going to be fighting. And it's about C. S. Lewis used to write about this, that it's just about force, it's about fear. So whatever that means. But I, I, I tend to think that you bring up the exact question is, well, we ask from our very spiritually minded, logical brains, you know, guided by the Holy Spirit, where we think clearly, okay, well, think about Satan. Jesus said, he's a murderer, he's the father of lies. There is no truth in Him. So what that means is he can't even speak truth to himself. So not only is he deceiver, but he is the biggest self deceived person that's existed. To think for one moment, I mean logically we think why would you rebel against an omnipotent all, you know, all powerful, you know, all knowledge, God? I mean sir, you didn't think that through. Oh, you perfect in wisdom from when you were created. Ezekiel 28. So. But it reminds me, I remember being a kid, you probably remember this too. As young boys, we're a bunch of idiots. Okay, so we're out on the playground and you have, I remember seeing you, you had a young kid who was so full of himself, just filled with pride. So there was a whole bunch of these wrestling and finally there was a fight broke out and there was this big guy and the young, this little kid comes up and the big guy just like throws around like a rag doll. Well, that kid wouldn't give up. He's like, I'm gonna get him this time. You're like, dude, that guy will squash you with his left finger. I'll get him. He had to convinced himself that he would never lose and that he would get the victory over that guy which all of us from our logical minds looked and said impossible man, impossible. So in the same way I think Satan when he sees the agenda and he sees the, the hatred of God in the world in his hands right now, he sees the, the witches and the covens and all these, the, the more immorality and this trafficking and all these, the, the power, you know, the, the, the so called gods and, and the pedophilia, all that just wickedness returning. He's thinking we're winning. Look around, we're winning. We are going to win this. So when he reads the book, he reads it to his own self deception. So I think he's convinced himself that the way that it's reads, that's not the way it's going to end.
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Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I could see him thinking that. It seem, it just seems like, it seems like in one instance that he's using Islam as a means to slow or stop. Just like he used the Nazis in World War II. He was trying to stop the Jewish Covenant or the Jewish nation from coming back. Because he, he could be a fly on the wall and hear all the conversations in the back rooms of Theodore Herzl and their plans and there's a first Zionist Congress and then the Balfour Declaration and so he could see this where this is going. And so he rises, he brings up this Nazi party in, in Germany. They end up taking over because they have supernatural demonic forces, you know, carrying them like the wind in their sails. And then from there, you know, he uses the Holocaust to try and exterminate them or, you know, totally crush them. And all it does is galvanize them into this mantra that they've had for decades. Never again. You know, and then that's just what's carried them forward and allowed them to stay a nation this long. My understanding is that those people are all in hell or the lake of Fire, I guess, at this point. And they will never, they'll never escape from the lake of fire. They'll never be able to creep out of there and somehow come back in and invade. Is that a good way to think about it or no?
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That's exactly because, you know, there are those that try to, you know, lately deny eternal punishment, thinking that annihilationism is the answer. But this passage in verse 14 is, is really, it's just disruptive to the whole, entire chapter of 21 and 22. You have all this wonderful things. God's down, he's dwelling with man. I mean, we got rivers, we got, we got towers, we got gates, we got trees, tree of life, all these beautiful, wonderful things. There's no more pain, no more sorrow. And right in the middle is this warning. But outside, somewhere in the outer darkness is the word out. Somewhere out there, which would be consistent with outer darkness is you have this phraseology of disruption. So you have this beautiful portrait in some ways being contaminated by the reality of this group of people, that in the new, in the new creation, they're still outside somewhere and they're described as being wicked and sexual immoral, etc, so it really is, I think. Why would God allow this verse to taint this new creation of chapters 21 and 22, that sin is so serious that it's, it's an eternal thing. Even after the new creation, they're still, they're still existing. So to me, it's, it's a pretty huge warning. And I think it's, it's a, it's not an argument, but it is an argument against the idea that after the new creation, the new heavens and new earth, that all the, all the wicked people have somehow been annihilated. Obviously they're still here somewhere.
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Okay, from Talia Balloons. If the Rapture happens when things are relatively normal, yet we are to expect birth pains, so does that mean birth pains will seem normal after a While.
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Well, here you have two theories by many prophecy teachers. If you take some of the. More. I would, I wouldn't even call it conservative on one camp. You have those like Tommy Ice and others who I would say are more classical in their dispensationalism, that for them the birth pains absolutely do not start until the tribulation period. So there, there are no birth pains prior to the 70, start of the 70 week of Daniel, prior to the Rapture. For them, they even sometimes have a challenging time of, of, of saying that Israel coming back into the land is fulfilled prophecy because for them that there is nothing that's required. There is no prophecy going to be fulfilled until the Rapture. So you have that camp. The other camp you have like Dr. Arnold Fructobom. He believed that the birth pains and really the, the footsteps of the Messiah according to. That's the name of his book, began in 1917, basically 1915, with World War I, because of the phraseology, you know, kingdom against kingdom and, and nation against nation. He says those are very specific rabbinic phrases speaking about world wars. So for him, the end of the age began in world with World War I. And then you're going to see this progression of birth pangs, including wars, earthquakes, pestilences increase from basically 1915 all the way up until the time of Jesus, the Second Coming. So that frequency and intensity for him, he would say earthquakes have increased since 1900 or whatever. And so you have those two camps. So pick a camp and you could see for some will say there are no birthdays. You're not, we're not going to see them at all.
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Yeah, it's interesting. I, I can't help but think that everything is moving along exponentially, especially with technology. And you know, you could always argue the case about earthquakes, you could argue the case about famines or pestilences and things like that. But the technology is undeniable in my opinion. I mean, just how fast we've come since the 1990s is really unbelievable. But, you know, I use this a lot in my presentations. I talk a lot about. Imagine you're in a Cafe in 1993 with a friend and you're looking at, you're, you know, having coffee or whatever, and you're talking about Bible prophecy and you start talking about the signs of the times. And you might make reference to the Oslo Accords between Yasser Arafat and Israel and, and Clinton was there, you know, the White House lawn. And you could think, okay, this could be the covenant, you know, and then you could talk about Europe. It looks like it's coming together. They're gonna, looks like they're gonna come into some kind of a union together.
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And of 10, 10 they were at 10 at one time.
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And then the Soviet Union collapses. You know, then, now what do we do with those guys? Those were the, the big bads for so long and now they're not. So, you know, then you could look at the year 2000. Well, if it's 93, you're only seven years away. And that's, you know, that the 2000th year into the, the new post Christ, you know, after Christ's death, Anno Domini era and you know, all of that stuff. I'm sure that you, you could look at some things, but a lot of it was a stretch and now it doesn't seem like anything. It's a stretch. There really isn't any kind of technology that, whether we're talking about the mark of the beast or the global satellite surveillance, whatever that, you know, we see, everybody in the world can see the two witnesses bodies laying on the streets of Jerusalem. You know, anything that's. There's a technological component to revelation or even to some of the things described in there. All that stuff exists now. There's no, the real question is, you know, not how the mark of the beast can come, but which way is it going to come? You know, like there's a lot of different options now, you know, that could happen.
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So, you know, let me say one more thing about that because I think imagine like, okay, like right now, I mean, people say, some people say that we're in the tribulation right now. I mean you're like, man, the other day I got to go out to dinner at a steak, I had a dessert and man, this tribulation. Living is pretty tough, you know, so, so the we all, let me say it this way, I think we fail to grasp the severity of the seven year tribulation. So for example, if you, if we were to go back to 1915, 1916, World War I, 1918, right. The Spanish flu epidemic, you know, or even going into living in some places, you go back to those times, you know, maybe in the, in the, the 30s with the basically Great Depression. There has been major times of war, millions, tens of millions of people dead, you know, World War I, World War II. I mean the whole thing. And you're sitting there, there's no money. Things are technology, of course, I mean, I would say economics are down. You'd be going, this is it. Now, right now, are we, Are we. Do we have it as bad as then? No, that was way worse in every civil, every conceivable way. Again, economics, famines, pestilences, etc. So if we talk about, here's what I want to say on the, on the normal living, whatever difficulties, I do think difficulties are coming for the Church just in general before the Rapture. But even that is going to be, quote, relatively normal compared to other points of history over the last hundred years somewhere. So even for the West. So when, when you think about the, the way that the Olivet discourse or the book of Revelation describes the, the seven year Tribulation as we just.
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Billion.
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Seven billion dead. Six billion dead. I mean all the economics, a loaf of bread is 200 bucks. I mean, you take that, that is absolute severe and it doesn't get better, it gets worse. So anything apart, any difficulty Now, World War I is going to be relatively normal living compared to that. And we're still not even there yet. So I think we got to be careful that even though I think things are going to continue to get more challenging, we're still relatively normal living compared to the seven year Tribulation.
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Yeah. And I've often told, you know, a lot of post trip trip folk, you know, that, that we have to go through the Tribulation to be purified. And I said, if you truly believe that, if you think that persecution is a purifying thing and most of them would say it is, it's going to weed out the fake Christians from the true Christians. And I'm like, well, why haven't you gone over to North Korea yet and become a missionary?
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Go, be purified, baby. Yep.
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Oh yeah. If that's what it is, then, then go. What's keeping you here? You know, if you can't even fathom the idea of flying into Pyongyang and start handing out Bibles and, you know, facing whatever comes from that, what makes you think you're going to stand one second inside the 70th week and be able to stand against the, the onslaught of everybody. Of everybody, yeah.
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Antichrist, the harlot, the ten Kings, you name it. Yep.
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And everywhere. I mean, there's not going to be where you can hide. All right, this is from Vicki Gage, number eight. Texas is planning on bringing the Bible back into schools. I can't help but think that this is the one world religion. I didn't think of it that way necessarily. I think of it as kind of a pushback against the Islam and Hinduism and all the other different religions that are coming into Texas.
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Well, I mean, you know, more obviously you live there. The stuff I've read is it's not even so much that it's going to be, it's not going to be a doctrinal textbook. I mean, look, if you go back to the early founding of the country, Congress paid money to print Bibles. And so it was, you know, that was. The Bible was your primer for most reading. So. And it was. Religion was taught, prayer was everywhere in schools. It was completely fundamentally approved. So I don't see Texas doing that. I see them as, as bringing it in in such a way to, for literature. It's even said that's going to be for literature. Of course the ten Commandments are going to be out there, but it's, it's one of those things. It's a slippery slope because, you know, yes, I would love having kids read the Bible like they, like they've done for centuries. But on the other hand, when you open the door for religion, religious book, do I want the Bible sitting next to the Quran and all of a sudden these kids having access to the Quran or would, you know, that, that, to me that's, it's an interesting tension because on one hand, if I had the choice, would I eliminate all books just to make sure that the Quran never showed up? I don't know. That would be the tension.
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Yeah, honestly, I don't know either. I, I just kind of imagine the ten Commandments going back up on the wall or, you know, them using it from a literary standpoint of comparing text, you know, historical.
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Yep.
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The Bible, you know, reading a psalm or something like that. You know, just like you would read Beowulf or something, you know, like it would be kind of in that same genre, but that's the way. Okay, number nine, from to the. Dude, do you think fallen angels are creating hybrids again, like before the flood? My Bible study guys look at me like I'm an alien for mentioning it.
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Well, there's, there's nothing specifically in the Bible that speaks like quote, Bible and verse that says fallen angels are going to be producing, you know, nephilim type hybrids at the end of the age. Okay. However, so again, God hasn't given us all of the, of the things that we would want to know. However, when you look at the facts of the entire abduction phenomenon going back for decades, there's a book out there by Dr. David Jacobs called Walking Among Us where he and his research, the PhD, he's looking at abduction stories and he can't help but bring these, these, these collections together, legitimate collections, credible, showing that there's, there's been efforts by some group to create hybrids, human hybrids. And so, and they are walking amongst us. He calls them hubrids, human hybrids. So in that sense, yes, I think people are ignorant of the, the data that is out there by many prominent, you know, Harvard PhDs and others that have been studying this phenomenon for a long time. So that evidence is, it's undisputable that they have tried to make hybrids and that they have been doing that. Now again, I can't quote a Bible verse on it. So here we have secular data that's providing a narrative. So in that sense, I would not be surprised, based on Genesis 6 and obviously after the flood, that you have the fallen angels seeking to create an army or seeking to create hybrids, seeking to disrupt the genetic material of humanity or introducing other things. I mean, we've seen a lot of that even in our stuff with La Marzulli in Peru, some of the paracas, clearly those aren't normal humans. They have genetic modifications. So that's how I would answer.
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Yeah, I would think that Satan probably feels outnumbered. At least he's, you know, down by 2/3 against the holy angels. So he's trying to build as much forces that he can. And if it's through these entities that they're creating, they're not creating them like God creates, like ex nihilo. They're just creating these, I don't know what else to call them, but meat suits. They're meat suits that are possessed by demons. Presumably they're trying to give bodies for demons, you know, create bodies for these demons. All the demonic hosts that don't have bodies. Okay, last question from Good Breakfast. What are your nutshell thoughts on the multiple earthquakes? It seems people would turn to Christ in these disasters.
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Well, I mean, I think back, earthquakes haven't been a stranger to humanity, especially going back. Remember the December 26th of 2004 where you know, what caused the big tsunami, you know, or even the Fukushima situation. No doubt God has allowed these things and these are, these are big, but they were only sevens. But nevertheless, what the person said at the tail end is God uses all things for his glory. You know, we have earthquakes that affect Christians and non Christians, storms, tornadoes that kill Christians and non Christians. So all of those things are, we live in a fallen world and God is looking to use any and every opportunity. Not that he causes those necessarily, I'm not saying that, but that he. He seeks to make good out of every. Every tragic situation. And there is a lot of tragedy right now. I mean, no doubt.
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Yeah. You know, I'm hearkening back to Romans 8, where it's talking about creation groaning. Let me see. I'll close on this one. For the creation. This is in verse 20 of Romans 8. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it in hope. Because the creation itself will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole world, the whole creation, groans and labors with birth pangs. And together, until now, not only that, but we also, who have the first fruits of the spirits, even we ourselves, grown within ourselves, eagerly awaiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. I think that I. I think the world, like us, we are. We know we're in the season. And as it gets closer, we can see everything kind of coming together. We get this kind of like. I don't know, it's the same spirit, right? The Holy Spirit is kind of like ginning us up, saying, hey, it's getting close. It's getting close. You know, we can sense it, we can feel it. And I think creation feels that too. And I think that, you know, with all the way the tectonic plates are, you know, shifting, and you get one earthquake here, it rocks it over here on this other side. And at least the Pacific plates like that a lot. But, yeah, I think creation is. Groaning. Waiting. It's. It's done. It's waiting for. It's waiting to be delivered from this corruption. And anyways, thank you, Mondo, for coming on tonight. You got any closing thoughts for anybody?
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You know, I would just say that what I've been feeling lately is I think all of us want to get out of here yesterday. You know, we. We do. We're excited. And I think when there are. When there is delays or what seems like delays, you know, if God said, hey, listen, guys, it's going to be 10 more years, we'd freak out. 10 more years. And God would say, hey, look, you know, humanity's been here for millennia, and so you only got to wait 10. That's not really a long time in comparison. So I'm not saying 10 years. I'm just saying that no matter what, I think we can get naturally, we get impatient and. But on the other hand, we're excited. And I don't fault anybody for being excited to get out of here, but in the meantime, I. I just. I just want to encourage people not to become discouraged when we see things going a certain way or going in a way that we don't like or. Look, God has called us to be here at this time and we're here to watch. I mean, we are going to watch the setup. We're watching the setup. We're watching immorality in second Timothy 3, 12 and 13 tells us it's going to get worse and worse. This is what we're watching. We're watching, you know, things unfold. So, and, but I also think there's going to be a risk to be discouraged because it's going to get so dark. But God has said, I called you for here. I, I'm equipping you to be a light in this time, so stay strong.
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Yeah, I can imagine if you brought like Charles Spurgeon back from the past and bring him into the future and let him see the shape of the world, he would just fall on his knees weeping at the state of the world today.
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Yep. He said, what happened? What'd you guys do? What'd you guys not do? Hey, bro, we're trying.
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I know. And, and we're, you know, as bad as it is, I mean, just think about it. We've been, we've been growing up in this and we've been the, the pot in the frog in the, in the water, you know, so to speak. We. We're used to the water getting warm and now it's starting to get uncomfortable, you know, and we're just now starting to like, call things out. Not, not just now, but. I mean, I know people have been calling out the state of things like Leonard Ravenhill and others for, you know, decades, but it just, it really is, it, it's. We're in the upside down world right now. It's just completely. Everything is being evil, is being called good and good is being called evil. So that's exactly what Jesus said it would be like. So. Well, guys, thank you for coming out tonight, for hanging out with us. Like I said at the beginning, I'll be at Guthrie, Oklahoma. What month is this? June, July 26th. And then mid August for Roseburg, Oregon, September 11th and 12th in Fort Collins with Mondo here. And then you're in the UK, will be at Belfast, the Victory Church there. And I think September 25th through the 27th. So. And then Ohio is the end of Ohio or the Ohio's in October now that's going to be October 24th, I think is the weekend. It's like the last weekend before Halloween, I'm correct in that. Yeah. So It's Saturday the 24th in Northern Ohio. It's up near Michigan. And then nowhere in November that I know of just yet. But then in December, Prophecy Watchers Conference, what are the dates that again?
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December 10th through 13th, 10th through the
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13th in Branson, Missouri. So that is something I'm looking forward to if we're still here, you know. So thank you guys. Thanks for coming out tonight and moderators appreciate all that you do for the channel and we'll see you guys soon. I don't have any appearances anywhere that I know of unless I'm completely forgetting somebody off the top of my head and I'm sure I'll get a nasty Graham after this. Like hey, you forgot to mention this. But also if nothing else, I'll see you guys next, next Monday. So take care. God bless and we'll catch you next time. Maranatha.