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The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Hey everyone, Mono Gonzalez here in studio. And we have Nicholas Diggle joining us. And I'll give you a little bit of background. Some of you certainly know, or you might not know that part of my background is in archaeology and primarily Middle Eastern archaeology. But as always, you get to learn a lot about all the different archeology of the world in some of my hobbies and personal time. And one of the things that we've done over the past years is we've created a group called the Paleo Research Group prg and we've done a lot of discussions and trips and investigations in different parts across the south and really the Midwest in it's been really fun. We look at different things even up into Peru. Well, recently in the, in the past couple years, Nicholas has joined our team and has really been a great researcher in some of the things that we've been discussing. So many of you might know Brent Hite of Brent Height Outdoors. He lives in Arkansas. He's been studying a lot of these topics really, I would say his entire life. Another good buddy of ours who's in our group is named Davis. I don't know if he wants his last name, so I won't do it. But anyways. But Nicholas is with me today because he wrote a book recently based on a lot of the research he's done, as well as some of the other biblical topics. And so, Nicholas, welcome.
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Hi. Thanks for having me.
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Mondo, your book, Genesis 6 and the Ozarks, maybe for those in our, in our audience, maybe give us a background to what led you to even consider a book like this.
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So I'd never, if you would have told me three years ago, two years ago that I was going to be writing a book, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe you. It really all started about two years ago whenever I started to read through Genesis and I was going through the Genesis account and then I came up to Genesis 6 and read about the sons of God going into the daughters of man and creating these beings called the Nephilim. I had never, for me, it felt like that little portion was just kind of out of place because you, you talk about creation and then Cain killing Abel, mankind, Cain's descendants start to spread amongst the earth and then talk about Noah. And then all of a sudden before the flood, you had this just this little five passages where it talks about the sons of God. And I felt like it was kind of out of place, but really it set the stage for the rest of the biblical narrative and the flood and why the flood came. So it. My journey really started a couple of years ago when I started to delve into the Genesis 6 narrative. Of course, to learn what it truly meant. I went through several resources. I watched a lot of Skywatch tv, Tom Horn, Derek Gilbert, Timothy Albarino and L A Marzulli. They were kind of the bread and butter of what I. My. My beginning stages and Michael, Dr. Michael Heiser. So to truly get an understanding of what the Genesis 6 narrative was, there was a documentary that I had seen, and it was called Angels and Giants. Nephilim in the. No, yeah. Angels and Giants. Nephilim and the Watchers. And that. I feel like that really laid the foundation for me of what the whole narrative is. The true narrative is for the Genesis 6 narrative, that it's not the Sethite view. It was not the sons of Seth with the daughters of Cain mating, but it was fallen angels mating with female human women, creating these hybrid entities called the Nephilim. So that really. That solidified it for me. But then also I watched Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse. So I don't know if you've ever seen that or not, but it's not. It's definitely not from a biblical standpoint, but being a person of faith and just having watched the Angels and Giants, my eyes. I went into that documentary not even expecting the Genesis narrative to be throughout. Spread throughout that documentary. But to my dismay, it was. I mean, he talks about different cultures having a worldwide flood, different cultures having these megalithic temples that were. Or megalithic structures that were supposedly built by giants of that time. The Pyramid of Kahlua, being one of them, was supposedly built after a flood by a race of giants to escape the next flood if they were afraid of another flood coming. So like I said, it really just kind of opened my eyes to how Genesis 6 is really throughout all ancient civilizations, in every single origin story, every flood myth, giants fall. Giants are also included along with God, like little God beings coming down and mating with daughters of man, making perversing humankind even worse than they already had from the Garden of Eden and plunging us even further into darkness and despair, which made God have to bring the flood.
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So that's good. So the. And just so people understand is, you know, your background, you're a very intellectual guy, you're a science guy.
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Yeah.
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What do you, you know, if you're willing to share, kind of talk about your. Even your. Like, what do you do for. For work, for living and your educational background.
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Yeah. So it's funny because I have nothing to do with archaeology or biblical studies. I'm a hospice nurse. So I've been a nurse since 2017, and for the majority of the past nine years of my nursing career, six of it has been hospice. So with, with hospice I needed an avenue to escape some of the. I mean it can be pretty hard, you know, it can be pretty draining, emotionally draining. So I needed something to escape. And that's where this study of biblical archaeology kind of came into play because it provides me a good avenue and something that I enjoy. And also it brought fellowship, me coming into contact with you and Brent and Domus and becoming a part of the PRG Paleo Research group. So not only was it just a good avenue, but it also has created a brotherhood, you could say.
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Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, the, it's interesting too. You know, there's no doubt you have the, the story in the Bible and, and there's no doubt we, you know, we've done a lot. Certainly Marzulli myself and, and others have done a lot in the sense of researching and you know, I mean we know LA's got 30 films and I've been to Peru with him several times and, and a lot of just research as it relates to the giants in the Middle East. So let me ask you this question though, because, you know, the title of the book is Genesis 6 and basically the Ozarks. So talk about first of all, where are the Ozarks? Because a lot of people might not know that. And secondly, what brings you to the point of saying, well, hey, somebody might say, well, Genesis 6, the Giants are in the Middle East. Why is this guy connecting Genesis 6 and giants in the Ozarks?
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Okay, yeah, so Ozarks, first off, the Ozarks, pretty much the Ozarks entails, I'd say at least 70% of Missouri. So like central Missouri down to southern Missouri, like the northwest part of Arkansas, a little bit into the east part of Oklahoma. I, that's pretty much most of the Ozarks. And it's made above the Ozark Mountains. That's why it's called the Ozark region. So the reason why I specifically wanted to hone in on the Ozarks, like I had said, I'm a hospice nurse. My wife's a teacher, a schoolteacher at the local school. We have three children. We're expecting child number four. She's about to not even be teaching because she's going to be a stay at home mom. I don't have the means to be able to go to Peru, go to Egypt and see the pyramids, go to Sardinia, see these megalithic structures, go to Malta. I mean, I'd love to go to all these different locations and hopefully, Lord willing, one day maybe with PRG we'll be able to go, God willing. But I wanted to see if there was anything local that I could look at in my free time, on my days off that could point to the existence of giants. Because I truly believe that yes, they started in the Middle east, but when Joshua kicked them out of the land of Canaan, I mean, they just spread like wildfire all over the rest of the earth to the point to where you have a lot of Native American lore and tales of red haired giants like the red headed giants of Lovelock Cave. So if these beings were an infestation among the earth, then theoretically couldn't you say that anybody locally can probably look into newspaper archives and find evidence of giants being in their area at one point or another. So that's kind of what got me into it. I knew that there was. I met with people like Fritz Zimmerman. He's done a lot of research in the Ohio River Valley and he's found great research pointing to giants being there, buried in the mounds there in the Ohio River Valley. Well, and it's funny because part of my research started from him because he has a book called the Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants in North America. Well, in there, I mean, it primarily talks about all the newspaper articles relating to giant skeletons that were found in the Ohio River Valley, but he has other ones from other locations around the U.S. well, when reading that book, I came across one specific to Springfield, Missouri, where I live. And it was an article from 1934 about a gentleman named Sterling Reverend Newberry. He was a Baptist missionary, Baptist pastor. And in 1934 he found a burial mound close to Springfield that had eight different people buried in it. One was, the article claims, a giant. He was. Other articles claim he was about 7, 7 foot. And then the rest were that of normal sized humans. But it was just interesting because the way they were buried in this burial mound, they were aligned like one of them was laying north, south the next. And then another one was later on top of him laying east west to where a bird eye view looking down, they would form a crisscross pattern or look like a cross laid out like a cross, north, south, east, west. And then there was two buried. Then they had another set of two buried on top in the same pattern. Then another set of two and the last set of Two in the crook of the arm of the seven foot skeleton. They had actually a stone sacrificial bowl. So what Newberry perceived is that the seven footer must have been some kind of high priest or some kind of, I mean almost treated as a deity among these people. And these seven others were servants that were sacrificed to serve him in the next life. So, and this, this is what the article read. So pretty much my book is my journey on taking a deeper dive into that article specifically and on Sterling Newberry. Of course Fritz Zimmerman book only mentions just that one article. But by getting in the newspaper archives, I have found other stuff pertaining to Sterling Newberry that he found all pretty much within the years of 1932 to 1936. A cave with Aztec style pottery, which, I mean that shouldn't be found here in mid Missouri or southern Missouri. It was. One of them was a bull with a snake body that morphed into a panther head. I meant that's not common for around here. Another one was a bull with an owl head. So pretty much my book goes on my journey of trying to find these locations by using old plat maps, old records, genealogical records and finding these locations. And I believe that I did find them. And I mean like I said, it's all laid out in my book too.
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So, so before you go on, there is. So there's no doubt, I imagine many people, maybe many people, we, we get, we get a lot of, I don't know, response from the work that we do. Again, we, we will go and explore caves and we'll explore properties that people put in front of us, you know, through the paleo research group and we we dig in, you know, a lot of different places and so which, a lot of what we've done, we, we've gone to other, you know, museums and different things. So in that sense, you know, you coming on has been great. But you say well I went to the archives. Well for the average person, what does that mean? Talk maybe a little bit more detail about what you did because I imagine many people are skeptical and they're like, well where's this guy getting his information from? From Fritz Zimmerman's book only. So how did you go along to again thinking like an archaeologist or someone who's looking at the evidence. Where did you go? What did you do? You, you mentioned a little bit about the plot map. So maybe unpack that a little bit for us. Your method.
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Yeah, yeah. So. So for instance, a lot of my research was going to the local library and looking into newspaper archives at these different newspapers of the giant skeleton and some of the artifacts that Sterling Newberry found.
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Like microfiche. You like the microfiche or is it more advanced now?
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Yeah, it's more advanced now. It's all digital now. Okay, so it was the newspaper. I think it's newspapers dot com. But since I'm a member at the local library, I get to get on there for free. But it's also looking at history of Springfield. Like so there's a book from 1914 called the History of Springfield. And I pulled some of my research from there too that pertains to some of these certain locations where Newberry was at. Also looking in newspaper records, at genealogical records. So the reason I would need genealogical records is primarily to find the location of where this seven foot skeleton was found. Because in the article it talks about there was three gentlemen, one being a Denver brake, one being Sterling Newberry who was the archaeologist, and then one being William Sarton who was a miner. Well, William Sarton, in my research I was able to understand why Newbery would have a miner on his team. He needed someone to excavate. Newberry was on the team because he was the lead archaeologist or amateur archaeologist as the newspaper article says it. But then this Denver break was a farmer. Well, that is where I believe I was able to find the location because it didn't make sense. In the, in the newspaper article it said specifically he was a farmer. Well, why would a farmer be part of a team unless it langen rights. Yeah, so, and the article is very vague. Like the article mentioned that this burial mound with this seven foot skeleton was near the Holman Ranch off the James river on a bluff. Well, the thing is, is where the old home and ranch used to be, it's, that is actually east of Springfield. And where the old Holman ranch would be, there's. There now lays a wild animal safari where you can like drive through and feed animals and stuff like that. So that, that rests on what used to be the Holman Ranch. You know, Holman ranch was there 100 years ago. Well, the animal safari is only like 300 acres. The Holman ranch was 2,000 acres. So it's, it would have been, it would have been a massive community. And the James river follows the border of the Holman Ranch for at least seven miles. So I'm like, well crap, that's like a needle in a haystack trying to find a bluff near the Holman Ranch on the James River. I mean that's seven or eight miles. I'd have to track, and there's bluffs all along the river. So it really was almost impossible until I looked, like I said, at Denver Break, and I saw that he was a farmer. So I'm like, all right, maybe he owned the property. So that's why I went looking at plat maps to see if I can find land ownership for this Denver break. I was not able to find any land in 1930s that was owned by Denver Brake on the James River. But I found land that was owned by his uncle, an SM break and an AW break. Actually, SM break was his grandfather, and then AW was his uncle. So it was handed down to his uncle. Aw. So when I looked specifically, I use a lot of lidar images in my book too. Our friend Brent, he's hooked me up. He's kind of taken me under his wing, taught me how to do this lidar technology. I mean, I definitely feel like I have a. I'm definitely predisposed to being able to know how to work it and spot things on it. Definitely have a natural act for it. But Brent has definitely taught me and guided me through how to use and manipulate the software too. So looking at the LIDAR map, I was able to see on this little plot of land that was owned by Awbrake, there is. It is near the Holman Ranch. It's off the James river, and there's a massive bluff there. So it was through that I was able to gain access. You know, I talked with the landowners who currently own it now. Brent also helped me with that to get in touch with them. And I got on there. And then I have some other local friends, one being a guy named James Clary, and another guy being Doug Porter, who we've gone and looked at different sites to. Well, we went out and checked this bluff one day, and Doug noticed that there's actually a berm structure up on top of that. That bluff. So a berm structure, as you we know, is some kind of mound structure, and it's rectangular or square in shape. And Doug really believed that that was most likely a prehistoric structure. So him and I started to really hone in on that early last year. We went out there, we surveyed it, did some mapping of it, and it was just very interesting because not only did we discover prehistoric structure, but we also discovered something that was historically used, the prehistoric structure that was used historically as well. Because within that berm structure, there was trees in there, But a lot of the trees were, you know, looked to be 50, 60 years old. But on the outside of the berm, Structure. They all look to be maybe 300 years old, 250 years old. They were massive trunks. Well, Doug made the comment that it reminded him of that at one point. The inside would have been clear probably as early as 50 or 60 years ago. And it reminded him of some kind of cemetery. Well, that jogged my memory because when I'm researching the Break family stuff, there used to be a Break family cemetery that I had come across. That berm structure we were sitting in was at one point the Brake family cemetery.
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Oh, wow.
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So, and like talking, like talking with Brent, I've kind of come to know that when the white pioneers came here, one thing that we did is we just buried right on top of where the Native Americans buried. So if that was the Brake family cemetery, they probably chose that location because it was prime burials for Native Americans. Probably not even knowing that. But they just started to bury. They saw this burn thing. I was like, hey, that might be a good family's plot right there. Well, it's no longer active. And I almost feel like the discovery of what Newberry, Brake and Sartin found with the seven foot skeleton points to the reason why it is no longer actively used and it's now been overgrown. So there is actually another cemetery about three miles east of where the Brake family cemetery used to be at. And. And it's called Shiloh Baptist Cemetery. Shiloh Baptist was a church that at one point, Sterling Newberry used to be Baptist pastor at the Brake family also went there. Well, now at the break now at the Shiloh Baptist cemetery, all of the Brake family that used to be buried in the Brake family cemetery, their headstones have been removed and were moved to the Shiloh Baptist Cemetery.
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Okay.
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And there's a plaque there that says, 3 miles due east from here lies where the old Brake family cemetery used to be. Well, if you followed on a map, three miles west would be right on top of that bluff where that berm structure was at. So really, what I believe happened is the Break family went to Shiloh Baptist. Their pastor was Sterling Newberry. Maybe someone had passed away in their family and they were starting to excavate to bury their loved one in this family cemetery. And maybe they unearthed part of a skeleton that they knew wasn't one of their loved ones. So they stopped digging and they decided to ask their pastor, who they knew had a nag for or an act for amateur archaeology to come and excavate this, what looked like a little burial mound maybe inside or near this berm structure. So he got his team together, Denver Brake joined the team, he got Sartin who was the miner they excavated and that's where they found the seven foot skeleton along with the eight. Seven other skeletons that were aligned like the cross on a. That were lined like a cross. And that would also explain why maybe that cemetery was no longer used because when they unearthed that the family stopped burying there.
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Do you have any connection between obviously you mentioned the article coming out in you know, 1934 roughly there as it relates to some of the headstones that were either at the church or do you have any going along with this, this idea? Do you have any of them dying in, in that year and therefore would have precipitated a potential excavation? And then of course the report in the paper.
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So that I have tried to look for deaths of the family around that time but that I hadn't been able
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to find no dates on the Baptist church headstones.
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You know, I really haven't looked too close at when some of those died.
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That would be interesting. That would be interesting for sure.
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And the other thing is not all the breaks breaks a big family around here now. So there are other cemeteries locally that I've gone and checked out and there's breaks buried in those too. So it'd be a lot of researching of where several breaks are at and seeing when each individual one. One died. So yeah, that's actually something I haven't
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correlation that would give. That could potentially give even more basic credibility. Yeah, well, not credibility. It is what it is. Facts are facts but more of the, of the motive of the reason behind like oh they died here and they went over there and then look at this now there's an article what, what have you. I mean this is, this is, it's pretty fascinating. So you know, here you have, you have a lot of different connections here locally in the sense of you have you know, a pastor, a church, you have locations. Obviously you've done the research and found the, the places. You know, in the sense of all this stuff that you've looked at what are maybe, maybe what is one of your maybe most favorite discoveries in all of it.
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So one of my most favorite discoveries is. And honestly this one, this one wasn't even part of it is part of what I found in newspaper article. But the details I didn't obtain from the newspaper article. But two years prior to Sterling Newberry finding this seven foot skeleton, there was another location where he found the cave northwest of Springfield. And in this cave he found this stone idol bear. And it was real. It was a very. I Think it was probably one of his most prized possessions. Because when you read about the article and how it's described, you definitely can get the sense that Newbery favored this stone idol. But it was a stone idol, it was a bear. It was only like 2ft tall. But on the bear they had on the side etched out a crescent moon and a star. No, I'm sorry, a crescent moon and a cross. So I wonder if this also makes me wonder if there's a tie between the cross that was on that bear and the cross pattern to where these, the seven foot giant and these seven others were buried. But anyway, so he found this bear, it made papers and it went regionally. So I found another article from the a year later where there was an altercation between a guy named Harry Starlight and Sterling Newberry. And it said that they were in what was supposedly a Native American burial site near Fairgrove, Missouri, which I live in Fairgrove. So I've honestly, I've wanted to try and find this, where this Native American burial site was at. And I've had no, no luck. I've reached out to the local historical society. I mean, they don't really know anything prehistory. It's all from pioneer settler days to now that they really have the, the most knowledge of. So anyway, going back, it said that Newberry went out to this site with three other gentlemen to meet the Starlight. An altercation broke out. Harry Starlight attacked Sterling Newbery. Police arrested Starlight and they ended up releasing Starlight. And that's all the article says. Well, there's really no detail in this process of researching Sterling Newbery. I've actually become acquaintances with his living grandson and we've been in contact. I've never met him yet. He lives on the east coast. But we've talked via Facebook messenger and I've been able to like, I've sent him a copy of the book and I've sent him a lot of the articles that he didn't even know about. So it's been kind of a cool experience being able to give him a knowledge of his grandfather who he never even got to meet because his grandfather passed away when he was just born. So that's been a pretty cool experience. But I sent him this article about this altercation. I was like, do you know anything about this? This was one story that his grandson Joe knew something about. And Joe sent me an audio message explaining the whole thing. And honestly, I think this is my favorite story because pretty much what Joe said is, this is a. This Story has been spread down through the whole. Like every Newberry has heard the story of Starlight and Newberry in the altercation. So what had happened was Newberry found this bear idol, Brune, that he called Brune the bear. And it went regionally. Starlight was some kind of Osage, and I think he was. The article even claims that he was an Osage chief, but he lived in Oklahoma in some kind of boarding house or something like that. That newspaper article even went out to Oklahoma. Well, he read that and he knew the significance of that bear, I guess just through legend or through word of mouth or something. He. He knew that that bear that Newberry found was of importance, and he didn't believe that Newberry deserved to have it. So what happened is he got on a bus, came here to Springfield, and I think he lived in Tulsa. So it's a three hour drive, came here to Springfield, found out where Newberry lives. Go to Newberry's front door, knocks on the door and befriends him, introduces himself. Didn't really tell him the intention of why he was there. He just said that he saw some of his finds in the newspaper. So he had mentioned to Newberry, he's like, you know, I can get you in touch with the little people. So whenever he was telling me the story and he mentioned the little people, I know that as I've researched some about giants, a lot of times, this idea, the little people come up too, in Native American lore. I'm still kind of learning about what the whole little people are. But I know that there is a connection between paranormal, supernatural and giants with little people, especially, I know with the Cherokee a lot. There's a lot about little people mingling with Cherokee and having interactions in Appalachia, I believe. But anyway, so he said, I can introduce you to the little people. Newberry, I think, was like part Delaware Indian. Like, he had it in his lineage. So he had always heard stories from his grandfather and from his father about the little people. So he's like, all right, yeah, I want to meet. I want to meet these things. It piqued his interest. So they meet out at Fairgrove, and Harry Starlight says he was gonna do a ritual to bring about the little people. So he's building a fire. And he also told Newbery to bring this bear idol because it was of high importance for this ritual as well.
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Interesting little switch. Yep. Yep.
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Yeah. So Newberry brings it and. But Newberry still doesn't quite trust Starlight. So he actually hid. He brought the bear. But he hid the bear in the wheel well of his car. So they go out to this. They go out to the fair, the fair grove. In the burial site, Starlight is throwing a substance on the fire. The fire is starting to dance and turn blue. I know Brent. When I've told Brent this story, Brent made the comment that this substance was most likely copper because it causes fire to make that green bluish color and almost make it like dance. So he's doing this chant. And I think it was at this point when Newberry realized what was happening before his eyes that he's like, you know, him being a man of faith, he was like, you know, this. I probably shouldn't have delve into this or I probably shouldn't have invited this because after he's seen this display and he saw him dancing, doing this chant, probably even chanting some kind of spell or chant that he had no idea what this guy was saying. He's like, we need to stop this. So Starlight had said, newbery, I need you to jump over the fire for these little people to come. And Newberry's let me get on that. Yeah. Newberry's like, you know, no, we're done here. Like, something just didn't settle well in his stomach. And I think you and I would say that was conviction of the Holy Spirit. Something didn't settle feel right. So he's like, no, we're not, we're not getting into this anymore. This is done with. Thanks for your time, but we're going to have to call it quits. Well, Starlight didn't like that idea. Didn't like that at all. Well, Newbery had also brought along his oldest son, Sterling Newbery Jr. And like I said, two or three other gentlemen. So then Starlight said, Newbery Jr, you jumped through the fire then. But Starlight, being the spiritual father and being the spiritual leader of his family, said, no, I've done told you, we're done with this. I'm not jumping through the fire. None of us are jumping through the fire. We're done. Well, Starlight got really mad and actually the newspaper article mentioned that he was most likely drunk. He seemed drunk because he literally goes from 0 to 150 just. And he's enraged that Newberry is not participating. He says, well, I'll jump through the fire. So he jumped over the fire and he started attacking Newberry. Luckily, they had these two or three other people with them. They pulled Starlight off. Cops were called out. They arrested Starlight. But Joe was telling me that his grandfather really was a gentleman who tried to live out the word the way God calls us to. And he decided not to press charges against Starlight. He just wanted Starlight out of his life, away from his family. He didn't want to press charges. He wanted him to just go back to Oklahoma. So that's why Starlight was released, because he didn't press charges as long as he left the family alone. Well, anyway, after cops came, they arrested Starlight Newberry and Newberry Jr heading back to the vehicle. And at some point in the night, it looked like someone went rummaging through their car because the door was. I don't know if the door was slightly open or something was just out of place. What had happened, per the grandson, is they believe that before this ritual was starting, maybe there was a time where Newberry was talking to some of the other gentlemen. Starlight made his way over to the vehicle, tried to look for this bear idol and couldn't find it. Newberry hid it in the wheel well, and he didn't know to look there. So that might have. Between him possibly being on some kind of substance to maybe get him spiritually ready to invite these little people, him not finding this bear idol, that really, it was a whole con set up so he could steal that bear idol. And then also Newberry no longer participating. I think that's really what set Starlight off to wanting to attack Newberry. But, yeah, so this was just really cool because I had just found this article about an altercation, and it was also. This was another account where I got a story of Newberry, but it was through another source, and it was actually a living grandson that I got part of my research from, and not just strictly from newspaper archives. So that's.
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That. That's pretty amazing when you can see and again, talk to somebody and the puzzle pieces that are. That can seemingly be distant start connecting. You know, kind of. As a final thought here, what's your. You know, obviously you're a believer. You're writing this. You love science, you love investigation. Archeology, for sure. You know, what. Why write the book? What do you. What are you looking. What are you looking to have the reader walk away with in something like this?
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The reason why I wrote the story is one of my first motivations is Newbery, at one point would have been like, there was so many articles about him. And he even. Not only was he a pastor, but he used to work at a furniture store, and the furniture store was owned by his sister. Well, this. I found articles for Godfrey's furniture store that said, like, you know, come by a couch and see all of the amazing Sterling Newberry's finds on display. Like he would have been really prestigious at one point because of all the stuff he found to the point to where the local school system was having him go and talk to teachers and having him bring teachers out to these locations and show them. So he would have been very prestigious. But now if you ask anybody in the Springfield area, no one knows anything about sterling Newberry. But 80 years ago, 90 years ago, he, he was very much a huge part of this community. Like, why is that just disappeared? So part of it is to bring a realization of what Sterling Newbery did and some of his legacy because I feel like it is worth noting. But then also for me, it, I mean, it may be a cheesy reason, but I feel like it just. This just further backs up the Bible for me. And you know, so it's just very funny because I wrote this book and there's a gentleman that I've recently come in contact with who lives north of Springfield. He randomly, and I call it God's sovereignty, but he randomly came across my book on Amazon, bought it, read it and he was able, through researching me online, get in touch with me and invited me out to his property, go check out his property because he has a pretty interesting property. So a mutual friend, Kent and I went out and checked it out. But even this guy Brian was telling me that since he read my book, I mean, he's a Christian, but he's like, you know, it kind of. It spurred on a desire in me to want to get more into my word or get more into God's word. And I think ultimately that's to spur people on, to realize that there is the word of God is true, it is infallible, and it is something we can hang our hat on. And that if you really look at it, I really believe science backs up the Bible. You know, history backs up the Bible. So that's. That honestly is my motivation.
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B
Yeah, that's awesome. And so tell everybody, you know, again, the title of the book and where they can get it.
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Yeah, so it's Genesis 6 in the Ozarks. And you can go to. It's exclusively on Amazon. You just go to Amazon in the search bar, type in Genesis 6 and the Ozarks. Interesting thing is Mondo wrote the forward for it. So when you pull it up, some reason they put you as one of the primary authors, even though it says that you wrote the forward. But like when it Goes down to the author section. It's a picture of you. But I thought that could, that could be a benefit for me because more people know you than me.
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B
Maybe that's helpful. I did notice that, too. Oftentimes I've done a few forwards, and it puts me as an author on there, which I had. I had a guide, Daniel Wright, who, for my Red Heifer book, he had done the map and they put him as an author, too. So it's good. The more names, the better. Why not? But yes, I did the forward and you did all the hard work. I did the easy part, but I
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think it's a good benefit that it says that it has you. So if someone types it, I think you can even type in Mondo Gonzalez. And my book comes up under your laundry list of books. So I'm like, well, there's another avenue to get to it.
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B
Yeah, absolutely. That's good. You know, again, we've done a lot of work within the paler research group, and it's been, it's exciting to see, again, a lot of what these, the archives and the old newspapers. You know, there's. Today there's a dismissal of this idea in modern archeology, especially American archeology. The idea of there being giants or seven footers is completely dismissed. And yet we know that's not the case. Yeah, there's thousands of articles, newspaper articles. And, you know, I've. I mean, I'm working on a book myself as it relates to the Smithsonian getting the research there, because in their own writings, they have seven footers, eight footers, documenting that all through the, the Midwest, east of the Mississippi, including, again, including the Ozarks. So this is a great, this is a great dovetail, I think, some of the work that you've done, Nicholas, and then some of the work that we're doing through the Paleo research group, again, we're, we're excited to get out there and to research. And again, it all comes back Genesis 6 in those days and afterwards, there were giants. So that's the end. That's the story. So I just want to encourage everybody to go get Nicholas's book again. Amazon.com, check it out. You'll be blessed. Great story there. Great research. It's a good time. And Nicholas, thanks for being with me today.
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A
Hey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate the opportunity.
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B
And everybody be on the lookout because I think our team is doing some good work. And then Nicholas has another book in the works which is coming. And so we will certainly share that with everybody when it happens. So thanks for watching today, and we will catch you all next time.