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What Happens If UFOs Arrive Before the Rapture? L.A. Marzulli and Mondo Gonzales
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A
So, Mondo, I want to set the record straight here because I've been catching a little bit of flack from some of the things I've been saying. And I want to apologize to some of you out there for, you know, basically stating. And we'll get into what I said, I'm sort of retracting that. And the reason why we're talking about this is you actually were the person who pointed me to 1 Timothy 4. 1, and I just went, wow, finally we have an answer. But there are two camps. There are two camps when you look at the Scripture and what it can mean. So I will recite first Timothy 4. 1 because it's now part of my wheelhouse. So the Spirit expressly states that in the latter days some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and the doctrine of demons. So I took that and ran with it from my perspective and said, so much for eternal security. And some people have freaked out about that. Well, there's two ways of looking at this scripture and I want you to unpack that for us, please.
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B
So in the sense of the different perspectives, when you come to 1 Timothy 4, 1 camp is going to say, here's an example of somebody departing from their faith. And then the other is going to go, well, well, the whole. Not so fast, citizen using your phrase. Right. So I think the challenge here when you look at the Conte is, is, is this speaking about a holistic departure when it says the faith, is it talking about the entire embodiment of my personal faith that I have, and I'm departing and walking away from it? I think. And that's just always the battle. So in that particular context, you're going to have different perspectives on that verse for sure. But we do know that it's interesting that people have walked away from their profession. Why would that be any different in the last days? Right. They've doc. Ever since Jesus in the Book of Acts, we have people walking away from their faith, you know, and Jesus says the disciples in John 6, they followed him no more. So you always have people walking away. So I find that a little bit problematic that it would only be in the last days. But nevertheless, there is something interesting happening in the last days. And we can unpack it more if you want.
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A
Yeah, well, when it talks about seducing spirits, doctrine of demons, the late Russ Dizdar, this was one of his go to scriptures, what bothers me is because of the unveiling, if I can use that word, of the whole UFO phenomena, the admission by our government that the phenomena is real. I mean, here are the testimonies, here are the reports, here's the grainy photographs, you know, here's the orbs going in and out, here's the Tic tac, I mean the gimbal, all these different UFO events, they're real. So we are living in an unprecedented moment in history. And I just wonder, this is my question. I just wonder if we're being set up for something where a mile wide craft or several mile wide craft appear over the cities of the world, would that, in my opinion, it would cause some to depart from the faith?
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B
Yeah, so I totally agree with that. I think the question would be, you know, in theology, oftentimes people say, hey brother, you have the right theology, you just have the wrong verse. Okay? Right. So your theology is correct. And so to me, when I put one Sympathy four, something is happening at the last days and it is connected with doctrines of demons. It says it there and it goes on to give a couple examples. But the fact is that I think by application for sure what you're describing is going to be true. Because, you know, again, I don't, I believe from God's perspective, this is my viewpoint of what I see in scripture. If someone is truly saved, God says, that person, I love them. They have, I've saved them. They've passed from death into life. John 5:24, 5:24. They will always be saved because Jesus is faithful. Jesus said, I will lose none. Okay, but what you have though in our world, and this is the especially pastorally speaking, every Sunday I pastored for years and years and people are in the church, they come every Sunday and then five years later they end up departing from the faith. And they're like, yeah. And you're like, why?
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A
And how?
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B
And so, but when I look at them, I often will be like, well, did they ever really have faith? Because no, we don't know. And so in one sense this is where when you bring in the wholeness of scripture is in Titus 1:16, Paul says, There are those who profess to know God, but in their works they deny him. So there's a contradiction there. We see in Matthew 7:21 23, Jesus says, Many will say to me in that day, lord, Lord, I did this. And they had different works. And Jesus says, I never knew you depart from me. So here again you have what I think is going to happen going back to this is, I think by application of First Timothy 4, that there are going to be those many people who profess to be Christians. They're casual Christians, nominal Christians. Whatever you see in the South, Bible knows. Yes, exactly. Studios, Easter, Christmas, Easter. Only that when that happened, they're going to go, you know what? I wasn't always sure. I mean, I was kind of a Christian because it was a hedging my bets. But now clearly I'm not buying anymore because this is in front of me. Because that's not faith. Faith walks is not by what we see. Right. But they're going to see potentially ships or whatever, and they're going to be like, I guess it's true. And they're going to depart from their profession of faith. That's the way that I would say it. Okay, for sure.
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A
Fair enough.
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B
Right?
- [05:37]
A
Yeah. I just think, you know, to kind of put a cap on this thing, we are in uncharted waters. Yes, we really are. I mean, for the first time in human history, this is it. Yes. They visited before. I get that. But you've got governments now and film, and everybody's admitting that the phenomenon is real. I mean, this is, you know, if Trump stands up on a Friday night, what happens with that and says, we're not alone in the universe. Your thoughts on that? You know, that's not disclosure, but it kind of puts a bow on where we are.
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B
I think there's going to be. Within the church. Again, you have the. Again, theologically, people will talk about the. The visible church. That's people showing up on Sunday, believers and unbelievers. Right. You know, just because someone claims to be a Christian, as Jesus said, doesn't mean they are. Okay, but I don't read people's hearts either. I don't know. But I, I do think when that potentially happens, which we think that's where it's going. There are. It's going to cause a lot of trouble in the church.
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A
I agree.
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B
And those that are on the periphery, or those that are not solid in their foundation, theologically or biblically specifically, they're going to struggle and they're going to go back and forth. But you bring this verse up all the time, that during the tribulation period, Jesus said in Matthew 24, if it was possible, even the elect. But what he's saying there, according to the way the Greek is written, it's not possible. But the deception is going to be so grand that it's going to sift out those that are elect. Again, elect is from God's perspective. It's going to sift out those whom God knows that are his and those that are Not. And those other people are going to allow themselves to be deceived because in the main thing is not. Look as a teacher, as a Bible teacher, you are too. All my doctrines are not 100% true, but what I do have right is Jesus. And so that's what the point is that during the tribulation period, they are going to. The deception that's going to happen is going to be about false Christs and false messiahs, which is in the context. And so they're going to come these people who did not the elect, they will never lose their faith in Jesus as being the Messiah, but these other ones, they're going to fall hook, line and seeker to this false messiah, this Antichrist that's there. So as you see all that happen, the deception is going to be huge. People are going to be faltering left and right. They're going, yeah, I was a Christian, this and that. But I remember to me I land at first. John 2:19, he says, well, we have people that are with us, but we have people that have departed from us. Well, the reason that the departed is that they were never really up. And so that's what I think what we're going to see happen is probably before, but I don't think we'll see it in the tribulation because we won't be here necessarily. But we're going to see that separating of those that profess and aren't very deep.
- [08:21]
A
There's a phrase I came up with a couple of years ago and it's a very comforting phrase. We go up, they come down. When we go up, they show up. Maybe this is the show where I'm retracting a lot of things, but I mean I am. I'm kind of scratching my head and going, well, what if it doesn't work that way? What if they show up and we're here for a period of time and we're not budging? No, I get we know who you are. We're not buying this thing even though the whole world is rushing after them. Maybe this sets up the warm world government, one more religious system. We don't know. That's conjecture. Or will there be persecution? There could be, but at some point in time we're going to go up before the tribulation. What are your thoughts on the reverse of that? They come down and then we go up.
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B
Well, I think that as and I know you know this, that we all hold things loosely, right? Very loosely. But I think what that concept is worthwhile because I think in Fact, it will elevate us. So let's say that they come down and they stick around for a while while we're around. And then of course, the church is going to go through its ebb and flow, but we're going to stand strong on the gospel and then imagine that last three months, six months, and we are going to become increasingly labeled as fools.
- [09:39]
A
Exactly.
- [09:40]
B
Because we walk by faith, not by sight. Again, 2 Corinthians 5, 7. So the fact of the matter is, if it comes to a point where you see it worldwide, the problem is these renegades. And then the tension is building and building and building. And then they decide, you know what, we're going to remove them. And then instead of it happening so quickly now it happens as a greater witness. And they remove, quote, quote, they remove us. We go up into the clouds in. In the Rapture, they. And then of course they're going to be here left to take credit for it and to give an explanation for it. So in. To me, it seems that it would be more powerful for their message for us to coincide with them for a while.
- [10:29]
A
And there's a tract that we have which actually, it's channeled information. And this is from an entity coming through this woman. It's either automatic writing or voice to skull in that tract. This is channeled information. We're forbidden to do this. But this entity says there is a potential for many people to leave the planet in an afternoon. The people who leave the planet during Earth changes. Drumroll do not fit here any longer. And they are stopping the harmony of the Earth. I mean, the other side of the aisle has explained the way the rapture of a church. Your thoughts and thanks for joining us.
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B
Yeah, it's good to be here. Of course. And I think you and I have talked about this, where the most powerful thing that I see is a visible departure, not an instantaneous. We're not disappearing.
- [11:16]
A
We go up.
- [11:18]
B
That we go up. And it reminds you of Jesus's ascension. Reminds me of Elijah's ascension witnessed. And then you come to Revel 11. The key is Revelation 11 because here you have the two witnesses. First three and a half years of the tribulation, they died. There are three days. Their enemies are happy. But it says then God resurrects them and they went up into heaven while their enemies watched.
- [11:40]
A
To me, very telling.
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B
That is super powerful that you have this. This agenda, this idea from Grays or whatever that. That they show up as potentially and they're saying, see, we're getting rid of them. And they and there we go. And every eye will look, every eye will see. To me, that's extremely powerful. It's why because of 2nd Thessalonians 2, Satan will come with all signs aligned, all power inside y. So to me, it's a matter of deception. Does so to see us be removed visibly would showcase that power. And then, of course, the light is gone. We're the salt and the light of the world and we're gone for however long. I mean, we're gone. And then people will be getting saved after darkness.
- [12:24]
A
Yeah. How do people get a hold of you? I know you've got books out, but you're the co host of Prophecy Watchers. Yes.
- [12:30]
B
If you just go to prophecywatchers.com from there you can see all the stuff that we do, especially on YouTube. We have a good following there as well.