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Hello, everyone. Karen, with Prophecy Watchers here, coming at you with another prophecy answer man session. I hope you all are ready because we have been getting some amazing questions, and Mondo has filtered through and picked out some really good ones to answer today. So without further ado, welcome, Mondo.
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Well, you know, I just want to tell everybody it's good to be here. And also make sure you check out Karen's new program. I mean, the Signs and Seasons program. You can find it on our website. And she's been getting to interview a lot of people, which has been really
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phenomenal and going quite well. We've already made you one of my first victims.
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I did get to be there, and you did a tremendous job, so.
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And you were a very willing participant, so that made it easy.
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It's been good.
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You ready to jump into the question?
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Let's do it. Yeah.
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Okay, so the first question we have is from Suzanne. I believe in what the Bible says about the angelic sons of God mating with human women and producing hybrid offspring. In Genesis 6, I've also heard that Nimrod transformed from a normal human into a Nephilim. Is this true?
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Well, first of all, I just want to say, good job, Suzanne, for believing Genesis 6 in. In what it says in a very straightforward way. And so we won't rehash all of that. But you have the idea of nephilim, this idea that Nimrod. And I'll read the text in a minute. That Nimrod began to be a nephilim is what the idea is. And that. The idea is that in Genesis 6, you have angels and women producing children. So the women had a baby, and it was a hybrid, and it was a nephilim. Well, this is the idea of taking someone in their adult stage, like Nimrod. It'd be like me, whatever. And then something, somehow, maybe I participated in the occult and that I transformed into a Nephilim.
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Is that possible? I've never actually heard of that.
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Yeah, that's the thought. And so we want to address that because this is what she's saying, that she's heard this. And so the interesting thing. So there's several ways to answer. Let me just read the text. In Genesis, chapter 10, this is the new King James. It says, verse eight, Cush begot nimrod. He began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Therefore it is said, like Nimrod, the mighty hunter before the Lord. In the beginning of his kingdom was Babel Eric Ahad Kalne. In the land of Shinar. And from that land, he went on to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth, er, Kala. And then it lists several other. What we'd understand as Mesopotamian kingdoms. So I believe Nimrod was a real guy. And obviously this is like classic Near Eastern lands, you know, and languages, you know, again, Babylon and Akkadian and all this other stuff. But let's look at the text itself, because I think that the idea is this. The phraseology began to be a mighty one. And so in Genesis 6, 4, and we see in numbers 13, 33, 32 and 33, the word Nephilim only appears twice in the whole Bible, and once before the flood, in Genesis. Explorer. And once after. So when Moses is writing Genesis, Genesis, and when he's writing the Book of Numbers, he's speaking to the group, basically the Wilderness Wanderer. They're out wandering in the wilderness, and they had just seen the Nephilim. And so when they came back, they're like, oh, my gosh, we're freaking out. There's the Nephilim. They're tall. The Anakim are there, and. Or they're as tall as Anakim. And it says the Anakim came from the Nephilim. So when Moses is speaking to them, he says, well, hey, I'm going to tell you guys something that the. Basically the Anakim that you're seeing right now that are connected to the Nephilim. Well, the Nephilim were here before the Flood. Well, the Israelites didn't know that. So Moses is explaining to them it was before the flood and after, when the angels came down and mated with him and women. So let's respond to this particular thing. And I think there's four ways to respond, which I don't think that is what the text is saying, that Nimrod transformed from a normal human being into a Nephilim. The first one is just linguistically, because the word there is Gibor. And so this is how some people will see this. They say, well, Nimrod was a Gibor. Well, the Nephilim was a Gibor. So they say, well, there it is. So the Nephilim is a mighty one. And therefore, because Nimrod is also labeled a mighty one, therefore they go backwards and say that he then began to be. He was transformed into a Nephilim. Which. This is not good logic. It's also not good linguistics, because the word Gibor in Hebrew, it means just a mighty person. In fact, God is called El Gibor in Isaiah 9, 6. So we don't want to say, well, that means God's a Nephilim. So Gibor is just a generic word that means somebody who does amazing things. Many of David's mighty men, they did amazing things. So you had normal human beings in other contexts that did amazing things. And no doubt the Nephilim, when they were in the land before the flood, specifically Genesis 6, 4, they did mighty things. So we can't. That's not good hermeneutics. That's not how you interpret the Bible, is to say, oh, well, because there's this connection there. Now all of a sudden, for them, they would say, every Gabor is a Nephilim. Well, again, that makes God a Nephilim, which that's not the case. And so linguistically you have that issue. And then I would say even the second thing is exegetically or even in the context, it doesn't use the word Nephilim at all. It doesn't use the word hybrid. It doesn't speak about anything there. You would really have to come to the text and read into that based on that Gibor word, which we already saw the failure of that. And you'd say, oh, the idea of beginning to be. And even the verbs there. It doesn't speak about a transformation like a morphological, biological metamorphosis, going from a human to a nephilim hybrid. I mean, how is that even possible? Because to be a nephilim, you have to have angelic parents, DNA. We're talking physical. So nowhere do you see, even in the text at all, that Nimrod who gives his genealogy right there, his dad was cush. Nowhere does it speak about his genetics changing into angelic. Yeah, so. So then even I would say the third is historically or traditionally, that there's no. Whether it's Josephus or any of the other ancient writers, Nimrod is well known. They talk about it because he's like a tyrant, right? I mean, here's a guy that's establishing these major kingdoms in antiquity, but nowhere do you see anything like that, where he's described as becoming something else besides just a mighty one in the earth, a mighty hunter. And then the fourth, I would say the fourth way that I think this is just false is what you. Is like, well, how does that even happen? I mean, theologically, there's so much going on here. You would have. We'd have to violate all kinds of theological things to make that happen.
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It's not a spider man situation where you get bit by some foreign substance and all of a sudden you're morphing into this God of some sort.
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Yeah. So I think, you know, based on linguistics and the context and even tradition. And I would say, again, theologically, Suzanne, I would say, absolutely not. It's not true for all those reasons. And again, we can unpack it even more, but honing in and trying to make it begin to be a mighty one. Now, if it said nephilim and I'm in, I mean, the context in the linguistics I'd be in, then I'd have to wrestle with the theology of it, like, oh, okay, Lord, help us out here. But it doesn't say that.
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Very interesting.
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So now if you hear this, which again, you might. It's. It's out there. It's out there.
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Well, Brownie points for putting your thinking cap on Suzanne, because that's. That's a great question. The next question comes from Natasha. Where in Scripture does it teach that the earth is flat? Or better asked, which scripture is misused to support the flat earth deception? I like the rewording of the question.
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Well, she. She did good on that because, I mean, this is an important topic, and it's kind of one of the reasons I chose it, but because we get conversations like this all the time or questions like this, and obviously she's sharing her cards that she sees the flat earth idea as a deception, but I think she asked it right. What verses do people use to try to prove this? And so I just want to bring up a few of them, but I would encourage people, if you want more information on this, I have written so much on this, and if you go to prophecywatchers.com flat earth, we can put up a link to that or just to see it. It's really easy because there's so much written about it. And we've done a lot on this topic, and so we certainly can't get into all the details. You could spend a whole hour covering all of it. But the. And we looked at it on that particular page. You know, we do obviously a lot of astrophotography. And so we've taken a lot of pictures of the heavens. And so I just go through in very much detail, talking about many angles as it relates to what the Bible says about the flat earth or whether it says anything at all. In fact, I don't think the Bible says anything about the shape of the earth specifically for or against. And so I don't think you can make an argument that the Bible says the earth is a globe. I don't think you can make an argument that it says that the earth is flat. But let's talk about some of these. And now let me just say as well, that I have good friends who I love dearly, who believe in the flat earth, and they love Jesus, and we love Jesus. So we love the word, we love the Bible. And so a lot of the intentions or the motives is because they've become convinced that the Bible teaches this. And of course, we want to defend the Bible. If the Bible says it, I believe it, end of story. I don't have to come up with any apology. The question is, does the Bible teach this? And so she's asking, what verses? And I'll give a few. And so, for example, the Bible uses the phrase the pillars of the earth. And so this I'll read to you, just a few of them really quick. First Samuel 2. 8. This is Hannah. She's there getting. She's praying because she wants a child in 1st Samuel 2. And she's talking about God. He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the beggar from the ash heap to set them among princes and make them inherit the throne of glory. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he has set the world upon them. So they take this and they say, well, there you go, there's pillars. There's actual foundation stones or pillars of the earth. And this is often the case. And so what people do is they come to this and they say, well, that's mono. It says it right there. What's not to see here? It says the pillars of the earth. And you go, well, did you read the previous verse? You know, God raises the poor from the dust. He lifts the beggar from the ash heap, you know, and so you look at some of these to set them among the princes. And so Hannah especially the rest of the context, this is very poetic language, you know, is he taking beggars, like, from the dirt? And he's, you know, is God raising them up out of ashes and setting them to inherit a throne of glory? This is figurative language. And this is often what you're going to see here is that much of the language that is used is figurative or poetic. Job 9. He shakes the earth out of its place and its pillars tremble. Job 26. He stretches out the north over empty space. He hangs the earth on nothing. Psalm 73. The earth and all its habitats are dissolved. I set up its pillars firmly. So Psalms, Job. These are all considered poetic writings, especially not every section of Job. You know, the first few chapters are clearly a historical narrative, but Then they wax eloquent in their him and his three friends. So we have to just be careful not to take language that is clearly poetic. For example, I say this often, is that in Psalm 91, it says that God hides us under the shadow of his wings. Is God a chicken? I mean, really, we wouldn't say that God's a chicken. But so when we look at the Psalms, these are songs, this is poetry. And so we have to just be consistent. And so you have to look at the genre of the other one. You have others, the corners of the earth, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Revelation 7, Revelation 20. And so they're looking at the corners. But in fact, if you look at most flat earth images, it's a circle. So there are no corners. So again, if we take this hyper literal, we'd even say the flat earth doesn't work. It would have to be a square. And so most of the images. And I'll reference the other Job passage or Isaiah passage about circles. So the four corners of earth. It's very well known in ancient history, this language. When you look at ancient languages in the Middle east, it's the four cardinal points. And what is it symbolizing? It's symbolizing God's authority over everything. And in all the different areas, left, right, thou, up, down, as you would see, God is there. And then the phrase the circle of the earth, it says in Isaiah, it is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its habitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. You see the language here, like a curtain, like grasshoppers. So are we grasshoppers?
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No.
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So, yeah, we're not. And so. Or, you know, or like, do we live in a literal tent? So what people do they come and they take this language. That's very poetic. And then there's. Unfortunately, it's just inconsistent because they're not going to say that we're literal grasshoppers. They're going to. Oh, that's figurative language. It is, yeah. Let's see the rest of it. And so there's several other passages where this word hug in Hebrew is used. But to answer her question is these are just some of the passages. Again, if you look at them, proverbs again, more Job. They lift out and they forget the genre of how to interpret the Bible. You know, when Jesus says, I am the door in John 10, I think, is he redwood? Is he cedar? Is he mahogany? Is he pine? And I think that person, the flat earth person, would say, well, that's a figurative language. Well, how do you know? And so this is where we just have to be careful in how we interpret things. And again, they mean well because they're trying to defend scripture. I respect that. I just think that it comes back as we're going to see through most of my life. It goes back to hermeneutics. How do we interpret the Bible? Have they ever read any books on how to interpret Hebrew poetry? I mean, I took a whole class on Hebrew poetry. And so there's books specifically about how it's written in the Bible and even New Testament genres. A book on hermeneutics. And we realize that we have to follow this or we again, we make God out to be a chicken.
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Right, right.
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And that we don't want to do that.
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And isn't it fair to say that we in this case are very safe to look at science? And all of science supports the fact that we do not have a flat Earth. And I have never been aware of a planet that is flat in our solar system. It could exist, but we do not know of a flat planet that exists, do we?
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No. And see, this is why we started, one of the reasons why we started the Sol 19 project. Because people, when you bring up science, they're going, I don't want to believe any of that. NASA's a bunch of liars. And we said, okay, don't believe NASA, then how about I'll go take the pictures. And so we have images of Jupiter and you can see Jupiter, you can see it over 10 hours. In 9 hours and 45 minutes you can see it rotating. And now what's beautiful about it is you see the red spot and you watch it over a period of five hours, the red spot is going and it is clearly rotating. And so it is a sphere, it's a globe. And not only that, but then you can see the moons in front of it. And you can watch the moon go around and then disappear behind it. So the moons are orbiting Jupiter. So this is a make believe. Anybody can get their own telescope and do this. So this is where it can be a little frustrating because, you know, you see the meme where the Earth is flat. All the other planets, they're not just circular, they're spherical, they're globes and they're spheres. And we can clearly see this especially with the inner planets, you know, Venus and Mercury, which is like the moon, which, the moon is a sphere. And you can see the phases because whenever it goes between us and the sun, which is the moon does, so does the planets. You will see phases. And that's exactly what we see in the telescope. So it saddens me because I think there is a deception I think out there. And most of the time I just tell people, go look through a telescope yourself. Quit watching videos. I mean you can make, especially with AI now you can make a video show anything. Just get out, get your own eyeball, trust your own eyeballs with the telescope. And you can even do this with a telescope with no camera. If you say, well, it's all digital. No, it's not. You can actually see it visually just like you could have another camera. So it's an important topic. Again, prophecywatchers.com flat earth. So much is there. I address the Bible, the biblical things as well as the scientific side of it and talking about our pictures, our beautiful stunning pictures that God has done.
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Okay, our next question is from Douglas in Conover, North Carolina at After Christ comes for the church and returns to heaven, the marriage supper of the lamb will take place. Jewish wedding feast, I understand, lasted for seven days. So will this seven day feast in heaven take place at the same time as the seven years of tribulation happens on the earth? In other words, will the seven days in heaven be equivalent to the seven years on earth?
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Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of thinking on this on the Jewish wedding system and the analogy in the sense of taking that. I'm actually a little bit skeptical of. Not that obviously Jewish people got married. And there is language in the New Testament where Jesus uses imagery of a wedding scenario in order for his parables. Cause people understood that he's like, well, you know, in the wedding, you know, weddings do this and. But I think that as I've researched it in the sense of the Jewish wedding system, I have not found it as clean as what people try to make it out to be today. I mean looking at ancient sources and stuff and it's just not. I mean you have some, I've read them and it talks about on this, that happens and this happens and then this happens and you're like, where do you see that in anywhere except the Internet? And so I hate to be a downer on that, but I would like to base my theology on basically ancient sources. So you don't see that. But so in one sense here you have this association of following the wedding ceremony. But no doubt, is there going to be a wedding marriage supper? Of course that's true. And so the idea here though is, and you're Going to have different prophecy teachers come with different perspectives is where does the marriage dinner happen? Does it happen in heaven? And so we allegedly, I mean, I believe we're going to be raptured and we'll be in heaven during the tribulation, seven year tribulation. So I believe that 100%. Okay, so we get there and then the idea is, okay, well we're going to now have the marriage dinner and then the rest of the seven years is going to be like a honeymoon. Well, that sounds romantic. Okay. And, but it's interesting though that the marriage feast, the marriage dinner is not referenced until Revelation 19, like right before Jesus is returning. So you're like, well, that's strange. Why is it mentioned at the end? So because normally you have the celebration or the reception and then you have the honeymoon. So but now you have the. Basically the reception being mentioned. Doesn't say it happens. It's being mentioned at the end right before Jesus comes back. So some prophets, teachers will say that the dinner happens in heaven right towards the end. Others, I tend to think that the dinner happens on earth, that Jesus returns with us. He basically takes care of the Antichrist and after the, the sheep and goat judgment of Matthew 25.
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So after the final war.
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Yeah, after the war is over, Jesus comes back. He's cleaning up and at the sheep and goat judgment, he sends those wicked people into hell, into punishment, and the others into the kingdom. And then I think if you go To Matthew chapter 8, Jesus says there's going to be many in those days who are going to sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom. And so I think he's going to raise them from the dead. And we're going to have the kingdom during the thousand years and we're going to sit. And he talks about sitting at dinner. And so I think that's his inauguration, that's his coronation. I think certainly we will be there as his bride and as his wife. Revelation 19 calls us his wife and it says, the wife has made herself ready. See, again, the feast hasn't happened yet. And so I think that that celebration will be a celebration of, of the marriage that has taken place.
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So the Tribulation saints will theoretically be a part of this celebration.
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So as soon as we. Yeah, because you're going to have those that are alive. That's another question that comes up. But you're going to have those that are alive that have made it through and they're going to go into the kingdom in their normal bodies, but you're going to have those that have died. Revelation 20 says they'll be resurrected. And so then of course, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob resurrected. So you're going to have all these people there resurrected. And we're getting ready to go and to start the kingdom. And I think it's going to start with this. This feast, this marriage supper. So I could be wrong on that, but I think you have different groups. But going to. The question, though is I don't think that. That seven years equals seven days of a honeymoon. It's difficult to make it fit. It sounds wonderful, you know, and the other things. But I would just say that, you know, I try to always have a verse that's super tight to shape our theology. And I don't think we can find it in that way.
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Very interesting approaches, everybody. We obviously don't know. So there is some questioning going on here, but I've never heard your idea around it, which does make sense in a lot of ways. It's very interesting, but I've never made that connection. So now my brain has to kind of recalibrate a little bit.
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I appreciate people thinking deep on these things because, you know, I mean, we all want answers. I know I do. And you're. Sometimes it's just a little bit elusive. And God's like, yeah, just wait, you'll hear it one day. Hopefully.
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You and me need to know.
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Yep, exactly.
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Okay, next question comes from Randy in Dallas, Texas. Where will the Great White Throne judgment take place?
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Oh, you know, these are great questions, and here we are not always having answers. So I'll just read the passage and then we could. We could see. So In Revelation, chapter 20, we have the. We have Jesus returning in 19, and then we have the resurrection. And then we have mention of the thousand years ruling and reigning with Jesus. And you have Satan being basically put in prison. And then you have him being released at the end of the thousand years is what it says. And then you have him being captured and thrown into lake of fire. So then In Revelation, chapter 20, verse 11, it says this. Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away, and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God. And books were opened and another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their works by the things which were written in the book. In the books, the sea gave up the dead who were in it. And death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. And so it's interesting, this person's asking for a location and it talks about the earth fleeing away and heaven fleeing away from this great white throne. So the question then is certainly, where does God live? You know, he lives in heaven. Right. The heavens are his. Is he living inside the universe, the physical universe, which is gigantic? I can guarantee that with our pictures. Or is he outside of it? I mean, I think it's hard to say. Maybe both. I mean, the angels live somewhere. The angels aren't omnipresent like God is. So the angels live somewhere and they're dispatched from heaven, which is location, to earth. At times, Daniel 10 is a good passage. So somehow here you have this location, which is, if we're going to take it straightforward, which it sounds like we should, that the earth fled away. And it doesn't say, it says heaven doesn't say. It's not like in the sense of all of the universe fleeing. So maybe it's weird. Maybe this is in heaven, the heaven of heavens itself, and the earth is gone. So again, here, this is what we got, you know, so much information. Yeah, let's get some coffee and let's just rustle it out. I mean, it's really interesting. So we don't exactly know where. We just know this is going to be serious. And I'll just say for the sake of clarity, this is not for believers. This is only for unbelievers. This is after the thousand years is over, and this is the final judgment. So all those, all unbelievers from the history, all the way from Cain, they get resurrected and they stand before the king on this one. And then there's no heaven here. This is more just their place in the lake of fire. And basically a place of how much is going to be? What's our different judgments going to be? There's different levels of punishment. We see this in Luke and other passages as well, but that's what the books are there for. But the Book of Life, there's no reference to anybody coming unscathed from this section. So where exactly is it? If you figure it out, you can write a book and then let me know. But there's a lot of theories. But I thought this was important because people ask this quite often. And again, here's another example of Lord, could you just given us a Couple more verses on it.
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You know, if you had to speculate, I mean, you have some information on where you think the feast is going to take place. If you had to speculate, you don't have to be able to back it up. But just like if I had to write it down, piece of paper, and I was taking a test, where would you put it?
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I would probably put it in heaven itself because this Great White Throne is tremendously intimidating. And I think. And it does talk about death and Hades, you know, and, you know, basically the sea. So the sea has given it up. And then God, basically, he's going to create, you know, renovate or create a new heaven and new earth, depending on their perspective. But I think it's standing and it's in heaven and it's a serious situation. And that's again, I think it's a place because we're not. We're going to be physical. We're always physical. We're going to be physical forever. Jesus is physical, even though he's on a different level than us. But nevertheless, we have our glorified bodies. And so it's going to be at a location. And it seems to be that we. It doesn't say that we're going to be observing this. Standing there, watching. Will we? Maybe.
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Yeah, we won't know until we're there.
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We're there.
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The things that keep us up at night.
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Yes, that's right.
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Okay, next question. Next question comes from Kim. My Bible study group is studying Ron Rhodes book, Complete Reference Guide to Bible Prophecy. But when we got to the last chapters about the millennium, it talks about people in human bodies as well as those in spirit, spiritual.
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The confusion often is. Is. And I look, I looked at Ron's book because. Trying to find out what she was referring to, and I didn't find the exact quote that she referenced here, but there is this idea of during the millennium when we get our glorified bodies, when, when Peter is raised from the dead. I mean, I'm. I'm hoping to live until the Rapture, but if I don't, then I'll be raised up. Okay, so. But when you're raised up, you're given a new body. And so the question then is, are there human bodies versus spiritual bodies during the millennial period? And so a better way to say it, and again, I don't know if he said it that way. A better way to say it is those in their normal human bodies and those in their glorified bodies. And when we read 1 Corinthians 15, we see there clearly that Paul is talking about the resurrection. And right at the beginning, he's talking, and he uses Jesus as the example. Jesus was not a phantom. He was not a ghost. After he was resurrected, he says, touch me. I'm not a spirit. I'm not just merely a spirit. I think he has spiritual capabilities, you know, and we can define that. But he was physical. He says, touch me, Handle me. Give me some food. Can anybody got any food around here? I want to eat. And so there's no doubt Jesus was raised a physical, glorified being. And we know in Philippians 3, 20, 21, 1 John 3, all those passages speak about our bodies being conformed to something like his in the resurrection. In fact, in 1 Corinthians 15, it says that we used to bear, or we currently bear the image of Adam, but we're going to bear the image of Jesus. And so I think if for Kim, is speak in terms not of spiritual versus human. Because during the millennial period, as we mentioned earlier, when Jesus returns, there's going to be not a lot. There's going to be some people who are still alive. Many of them are going to be wicked individuals who have taken the mark of the beast. And others, there's going to be other Christians, saints who have survived. Not very many, but they'll be there. And so at the great White throne judgment, he sends all of the unbelievers into punishment. But the believers who are in the normal bodies like we are, he says, enter into kingdom. So they're going to enter into the millennial kingdom, and they're going to be marrying and given marriage the way that our life is right now in being, you know, married and given a marriage, having children. All the normal things you would say is get exactly what it's going to be like for them during that period, Jew and Gentile. But there's going to be us in our glorified bodies. And Jesus said in Luke 20 that those that attain to the resurrection are in a special class. And it says we're made like the angels in that. I think we're physical still. But marriage is gone. So this is why some people will talk about that spiritual aspect. But again, I don't think it's spiritual. You have us, the resurrection, going to our final glorified physical bodies. But we're going to be looking down, we're going to be ministering, we're going to be ruling and reigning with Jesus. And as we're going to be ministering to these people, they're going to be in their normal bodies now. What's the difference is they don't have any external temptation anymore in the sense of supernatural, like Satan, demons, all the fallen angels, they're all imprisoned. So the only temptations that you have during that time are those that are from the internal because again, these bodies are unredeemed for them. Right. Like for us now. So when you see Romans 6 and Romans 7, Paul talks about having an inner we have this new nature, but it's trapped in these bodies of death. And so they're going to have that same thing. But we know Isaiah 65 and many other passages. They're going to live a long time. There's going to be universal health and blessings and everything else. So that's what I would tell Kim is human bodies versus glorified bodies. That's a better way to say it.
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Yeah, that's a great question. Okay, next we have a question from Susan in West Bloomfield, Michigan concerning the judgment seat of Christ. And I believe I've heard this discussed in your videos as well. If this occurs immediately after the rapture followed by the marriage of the Lamb before the tribulation in millennium, what about those who come to faith during the tribulation and millennium? Wouldn't that mean that they miss out on these two key events? Are they in a different category, so to speak, similar to Old Testament believers who are not a part of the church bride, but still with God in eternity?
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So this brings up a lot of question. There's no doubt Paul is referring to the church in Second Corinthians. He's writing to them in chapter 5, verse 10, as well as Romans 14:10. So he's talking to the church here. So many people say, well, the judgment seat of Christ is very specifically to the church. Now does that mean that Abraham is not going to be judged and given rewards? We know that. Of course he is. So the question here is she's asking about what about if that happens. You see the sequence of events, the rapture followed by the marriage. Well, remember we just said the marriage happens at the end. It seems to be happening at the end of the church tribulation. And what about the millennium? Those are going to live in the millennium. So we only have a certain amount of information. But what we know is that at the second coming we'd say at the rapture there's going to be the judgment seat of Christ. We're going to give an answer. But other people would say, well what about somebody who died like Peter? Okay, well Peter died And then we know from Hebrews 9:27, it says it's appointed for mankind to die once and then judgment. So some people say, well, for those that have died, they have their judgment seat of Christ experience at the moment that they die. And then, you know, obviously when you die, you either go to heaven or hell, but if you're a believer, you come in and boom, you might have it at that moment. But that doesn't work for us. If we are raptured, we're going to skip the death part. There's one generation that does. And so when does that happen for us? And so clearly, I think that once we get there, we're going to have that experience probably very personal again. I don't think that there's going to be a long line of people waiting to stand in front of Jesus. I mean, that would take the whole seven years for potentially hundreds of millions of people that are raptured. So God can do anything. So I think in this particular instance, you have those. What about during the millennial? All we know is when they live their life and between the time that they die, which there will be some death in the millennium, between the time they die in the millennial period or even after the tribulation period when they're resurrected, between that, between death and their resurrection, they are going to give an account for their life. It doesn't necessarily need to be a singular instance of the judgment seat of Christ at a particular time. We know that all people will give an account for their life. And so I think sometimes we can try to read a little bit too much into it and maybe a little bit too, let's say, woodenly literal. I believe in literal approach to Scripture for sure. But to try to force it there does bring up these questions. These are natural, good questions. And you say, well, it doesn't have to be that strict. We just know, I would say that Hebrews 9:27, that I think Paul is talking that at the end of the day, what's he saying? We're all going to give an account.
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Right.
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Sometime. And in the context it really is, especially 2 Corinthians talking about at the end, at the resurrection. So between death and resurrection, it's in there somewhere.
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No matter when you've lived, no matter when you die, you will be giving account. It just can vary depending on when and how things happen.
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100%.
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Okay. All right. The next question is from Doug or the next question is from Douglas in Conover, North Carolina. After Jesus died, he descended to Hades and led the Captives free. And it said that many saints were raised from the graves and walked and witnessed to those in Jerusalem. What happened to those who were raised? Were they taken to heaven later? Or did they live again and eventually die a second time? I love this question.
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So this. Yeah, this is a question that, man, I ask it myself. What the heck is going on here? And in Matthew 27, it's describing Jesus's death. And Matthew writes in verse 50, Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and he yielded up his spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. Matthew 27:51, and the earthquake and the rocks were split and the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep or died were raised and coming out of the graves after his resurrection. So it didn't happen. It doesn't. It didn't happen right when he died. It was after he was raised. It says after his resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. The idea of the word raised in Greek can be Lazarus was raised from the dead. That same Greek word is used of at the end of time, believers in Christ raised from the dead into their new body. So you have the word being used to be raised back. Just like Lazarus, hey, four days later, he's alive again into his normal body. You have others being raised that have been dead for centuries, and they get raised into a new glorified body. So the Greek doesn't help us because it would be really nice if there was a technical word that said, oh, man, this is into glorification. So you're going to have different perspectives on that. None of them are very strict in the sense of being clear that. And he asked the question, did they die again? I would say, like Lazarus. And so, and this is where Hebrews 9:27, it supported unto men to die once. And therefore. And then judgment. You go, well, remember, that's a generalized statement. It's not a hard and fast rule. Because poor Lazarus, he died again. You know, and then there's several people in the New Testament that were raised up. Even in the Old Testament, they raised up and they died again. So it's not a hard, fast, legalistic rule that everybody, even again, everybody has to die. So some people say, oh, everybody has to die. And you're like, that's why the rapture is wrong. You're like, well, no, because Lazarus died twice. So he violated that rule. And so to say that we have to die is false as well. So at the end of the day, there's different perspectives on were these people raised up and then if they were raised up, did they die again? But if they were raised glorified, where are they at? Because if they got raised after Jesus's resurrection, they became glorified in the new bodies. It's not impossible. The Bible doesn't tell us, like when did, did, did they ascend into heaven? When Jesus ascended? Because Jesus hung around for 40 days, remember? So there's no evidence necessarily that they waited, but they did appear to many. So
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do we have any extra biblical texts that discuss any of these people that were raised? No.
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It is interesting that our good friend Graham Keeland from England, he thinks that this group is the 144,000 of Revelation chapter seven.
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Very interesting, very interesting approaches we discussed today.
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And we did. If you can look, you can find our stuff on YouTube as well where we dealt with that. And I think it's an interesting case. Is it 100% persuasive? What is, except the gospel? But at the end of the day, what happened to them? The Bible doesn't say. We don't know whether they went to heaven or not or whether they died a second. I mean, at least they died a second. I mean, maybe they didn't die a second time. So again, they either lived and died again or they got the resurrection bodies and they went up to heaven. I don't think anybody believes they're still wandering around on earth now, but that if they are the 144,000 potentially that they will obviously return for the seven year tribulation.
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So this is when I wish we could time travel so we can get the answer to that question. That is all the time that we have for today's episode. Thank you all so much for sending in your questions. I know my mind is going to be reeling for the next week just trying to process through all the answers that Mondo brought to these amazing questions and keep sending them in. We are going to continue doing these episodes as long as we have your questions and I don't think we'll ever have all of our questions answered, obviously. So thank you so much for joining us today and we will see you here, there or in the air.