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The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Hello, everyone, Mondo Gonzalez here in studio. And we are going to be talking about all this UFO crazy stuff that is really becoming viral all around all of social media. And I have the privilege of talking to Alan De Dio today because he was in one of the meetings and so he's going to be answering a lot of questions for us about what is true. And there's so much misinformation and disinformation going out right now that we're going to ask him straight from the horse's mouth who, who was there. And before we get to Alan, I just want to remind everybody of a couple things that we are going to be having our prophecy conference in Colorado Springs, June 4th through 7th. So please consider joining us. Colorado Springs is beautiful in June, no doubt. If you can't join us in person, you can certainly join us through Live Stream. The other thing that we're doing, another event we're having and invite you to join us is an Alaska cruise. We're having a prophecy cruise going to Alaska August 22nd through the 29th of this year. If you've ever wanted to see Alaska, maybe a bucket list item, you can join us there. Myself, Billy Crone, La Marzulli, Lee Brainard, a few others are going to be there. It's going to be a great time. So you can go to prophecywatchers.com and get information about those events. But back to the task at hand here. Alan, welcome.
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Thank you so much. Prophecy Watchers is my favorite place to receive prophecy teaching. And I tell everybody this is where you have to go. I'm so thankful for you. You're always levelheaded, you're always word based. And if I could get on that cruise, I'd be there too.
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A
Well, you are very kind to say that. And you've been here before to our studios and certainly we've spent time together and interviewing. And that's honestly one of the things I appreciate about you as that at heart I'm not a sensationalist. I'm really not. And I like just the word. The word is our foundation. It's our anchor for everything. No, I love fringe topics. I love conspiracy, for sure. But at the end of the day, you and I have talked before, just even offline. Is that evidence? Where is the evidence about things? And so let me just set the stage here that over the last few days this week, really I think what, what kind of precipitated everything was a video that was done by Perry Stone and he's got a very large social media presence for sure, almost a million subscribers on YouTube etc, and he came out discussing a, a meeting or a series of meetings that had taken place a few months ago. I mean, this was back in, in late February. And then of course, then everybody's running to see what is he talking about. And then I saw you, you had posted something on X, I think, where you said, well, hey, I was there. And so let's jump in, where were you and what was going on? And give us the context.
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B
This is really strange because as you said, this happened months ago. We've all been talking about it since then. So for this to explode as it has is really, really unusual. And I pray that the name of Jesus is going to be glorified and lifted up and people are going to run back to the word. But yeah, I saw this explode online and I saw everyone attacking Brother Perry, saying there no such meaning. He's not, that's not true. And actually I was, I was there. So I simply replied, he's telling the truth, I was there. And that just blew up. I think millions upon millions of people have now been tuning in and asking questions about the subject. So you want me kind of give you the framework of this meeting and where, where it was and how it all happened.
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A
Yes, and, and let's clarify right up, up front that there was actually at least two meetings.
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B
Yes.
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A
And so there was some groups that were. There was another group of people obviously at a second meeting. But let's, let's give some context. Yeah, please.
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B
So I was invited around nrb, the National Religious Broadcasters Convention, which is in Nashville, Tennessee. A lot of us ministers were all clustered together, people you would never normally have in the same room together, you know, at NRB or together. So these individuals who were putting on this meeting thought this would be a good opportunity. So they rented an Airbnb and they invited a few of us that they knew personally. Now, these individuals have varying backgrounds. We'll call them the briefers. They asked to remain anonymous. That's the only reason this meeting is referred to as secret. It's not that the content itself is secret, we're free to share all of that. But they have concerns for their reputations, their livelihoods, and maybe even more based off a lot of what we're seeing in the news here lately. So they just simply asked to be anonymous. And these are individuals who come from either places in government or other agencies with enormous background in what's happening. They've got a lot of access to a lot of intelligence and a lot of people in the intelligence community. And they had come across some information that was concerning to them. And so they have developed. They've been investigating this. They developed this presentation in order to show pastors, here's the deception that could be coming down the pike. Here's why we need to teach our people the word of God. And so that's why they're calling the meeting. And someone said, I think the other day, let's be careful not to sensationalize this, as you said. And I certainly don't want to sensationalize it. However, it's very difficult not to refer to this as some way sensational because it's a really weird meeting, very strange. So I'm invited by this individual who has enormous experience with classified things, and he invites me to this meeting. It's a closed meeting. I go to this Airbnb. I remember it's down a dark street. It felt like there weren't any street lights on the street. You get there, you have to turn your phone on airplane mode. So I'm not overstating how we felt going into this meeting. It felt really strange. In fact, another friend called me on the way there and said, are we sure we want to go to this meeting? Are we sure we want to do this? We were like, well, if you're going, I'll go. So we go. And it was these gentlemen who love the Lord. They're believers, genuine, sincere, who simply want to make sure Christians stay on the word and that pastors are equipped to answer a lot of the deception. So it was about two and a half, three hours maybe, where they went through, I don't know how many slides of. Here's all the different theories and the different aspects of the United States government. I can talk about that if you want, here in a moment. And however, we need to make sure we ground our people on the word. So that's the gist of the meeting.
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A
So what we're hearing, too, again, a lot of misinformation is. And the way it's being presented is some people are saying that, you know, the headline government. The government is asking pastors for A, B, C and D. And in fact, these briefers are not officially representing the government at all. Right.
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In fact, quite to the contrary, these briefers are looking into what the government is doing and are very concerned and kind of taking the COVID off a lot of what the government is doing and plans to do. So. Yeah, that's another thing I've seen that's been gotten wrong on social media.
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Yeah, that's important because no doubt, when you. If I ever hear the government is trying to control or contribute to the narrative of what pastors should and shouldn't say, automatically I'm like, whoa, you're not telling us what to do.
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B
No, thank you. Yeah, no, thank you. We don't trust the government any farther. We can throw them.
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A
Exactly. So that's not the case here. So I've also seen, too, just in some of the information that that's been available, that these briefers have been involved, again, in their own, like you said, in their own agencies, in their own positions, being part of some of the investigation. I'm not equating them to David Grush, but in the sense of David Grush was part of, you know, the. The UAP task force. And so these guys were also doing their own. Part of some investigative opportunities. And so they're seeing these things and just their own concern for the church, their love of the Lord, their love for the church. This is what led them to say, hey, by the way, this is what's potentially coming down, and we need to be prepared. Now, somebody else asked me, was, in the sense of when they were asking or seeking out pastors, was. Was it only like Pentecostal pastors? Was it like, you know, what. Was there any. What were they. What were they targeting?
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B
Yeah, from what I understand, in both meetings, there was. There was a range of backgrounds. In our meeting, it was more charismatic leaders. And the reason for that is, is because they're first reaching out to people they knew personally or had connected with personally, because they're in that circle. And then they asked those pastors, is there anyone you trust? Is there anyone you know and trust? And so I think in the other meeting, there may have been more of a. A bit of a diversity. And I think there was also, in the meeting I was in as well, people from different backgrounds. But, yeah, that's the reason why it was more of a personal contact, personal connection to get into the meeting.
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A
And in your meeting itself, how many people, roughly, were there?
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B
A half a dozen to a dozen people were in that room. Okay.
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A
Okay.
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B
So it's a small, small, small room with a lot of information.
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A
Yeah. And I. Because the other meeting, as I've researched things, it was. I'm hearing There was 15 or 20 at that. that other meeting, and which.
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And that's where there was a representative who apparently called into that meeting, but he wasn't a speaker in that meeting. I think he was just Calling in to say thank you for what you're doing. As pastors, we need to make sure our people are prepared. I think he was basically saying the same thing. We need to make sure our people are prepared. I was invited to that meeting. I wasn't able to attend that one, so I went to the next one.
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A
And that was in the same area, in the same time?
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B
I think so. I think so. There was a little bit of time between the two, but same people, same information, organizing the event, like.
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A
Like different state or at the same state or.
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I don't know for sure. I think I recall someone saying it was the same state, but.
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A
Okay, yeah, I mean, these are the. These are the little nuggets of information that I hope. I would love to see people get the facts and rather than. They're in the speculation. And we do know that that was Congressman Eric Burleson from Missouri, and he, of course, he's on the UFO Committee and he's been, you know, doing a great job. He's a believer. I've actually talked to him several times last summer and. Solid guy. And here again, that's encouraging that he has the same concern for seeing the church. Be prepared. Because even what. What I see him saying is, hey, we don't. We don't have all the answers. That's what we're trying to do, is to get the answers. Because there's so much mystery to some of this. Let me. Let me go through a couple things here, because as it relates to the slide, the slideshow, talk about that and about how they. How they approached it in the sense of saying, hey, this is. Maybe explain that, because I have some information, but I'll just let you talk.
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Yeah, it was extensive. So again, we're talking about two and a half, three hours of going through one slide after another. So I don't know how many there were, but there was a great deal of slides. And the purpose of it was not necessarily to say this is what this is. The purpose was to say there are. And this was a lot of. It was confirmation. But this is something that was interesting or illuminating to me, and I think we probably know this, but hearing it helps that there are different silos within the United States government and that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. And so in certain pockets, they believe one thing. In another pocket, they believe another, and another pocket, they believe another and have conflicting interests to often collide. And they're kind of working against each other, sometimes knowingly and sometimes unknowingly. And what they went through in this slide presentation was here are all of the beliefs or theories. And they also included other figureheads, talking heads, people that are often when, when considered alien or ufo, UAP specialist, if they're on Newsmax or, you know, ancient aliens or whatever. Here's these people, here's what their background is. Here's where they're really coming from. And so it wasn't all of that. They weren't saying all these things. You hear people talking about Reptilians and, and all this other stuff. They weren't saying, this is the case. They were saying, here's what some people believe. Let's make sure we bring people back to the word of God. Was essentially what it all consisted of.
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Yeah, to, to me, I find that again, very encouraging because we know, we know again, the, that there's a narrative. We know the world's going to present a narrative. No doubt in all this. One of the things that, One of the other things that I, I saw in, in some of the research was that, you know, that they were showing different, different crafts and they were saying, okay, this is, this is, that's Chinese, this is Russian, you know, this is private sector, this is public sector, this is ours. That, that they were also begin to talk about, you know, capabilities and origins as well as some of the abduction phenomenon that they discussed that. Can you expand on that at all?
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Yeah, they did dive into that now in this meeting. And remember, we don't have our phones on, so we're not able to take notes as we're, as we're going through the. And I'm, I'm an interesting. When I'm reading a book, a lot of people like stories and books. I don't, I want to get to the scripture and what is the, what is the commentary surrounding the scripture? So when I'm listening to this, I'm the guy in the meeting kind of with a side eye like, okay, all right. Now, now, okay, give me. Where's the meat at? Show me the meat. Where is there a there, there? And I was actually pushing in the meeting. How do I know that this isn't a psyop as an example? How do I know that this isn't part of pettifogging the issue, if you will, muddying the waters? And so my questions were answered satisfactorily. But yeah, they did go into some things and some of the, some of the beliefs that about 80 to 85% of what we see concerning UFOs, UAPs, is actually our technology and then, but then there is a 10 to 15% that is believed that that is unexplainable, that they don't know how to explain it. Take an example of, and I'm giving this example of the 17 day incursion over Langley Air Force Base last year. And they don't know what that was. Even over New Jersey, I don't think we've gotten satisfactory answers. So I, I, and I find that illuminating that 80 to 85% is our technology. We have some pretty advanced technology where they got that, that's another question. But 10 to 15% of it, we, we don't know. It could be enemy technology, it could be supernatural, who knows?
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Yeah. See that, that's the important thing is as we again as pastors and, and leaders and of course again our foundation is the scripture. As always, in trying to, to provide a framework of that. I know that you and I were involved in, in the, the basically disclosure virtual conference that La Marzulli had back in January and given a presentation there, again trying to help people get back to the scripture and just simply see it in that framework. Because let's, let's talk a little bit about, you know. Right, right. At the same time at this, at this meeting, you know, the, the next day Trump is out there giving. It just happens to kind of coincide.
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Yes.
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Maybe for the audience talk about that as it relates to the framing of what we see happening as it relates to, you know, Trump and the FBI and then potentially July, you know, the anniversary of Roswell for disclosure, kind of kind of update the audience on that.
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Yeah. Even looking how this conversation started, even though we're thankful that it started and it's kind of humbling to be in the center of this conversation, we're still, all of us who are part of it are kind of looking at it with kind of an air of suspicion. When Perry Stone's video came out 24 hours ago, 36 hours ago, whenever this was, and it was everywhere. As I look back on it a few hours later, I started to think that's really weird. How is it that his video was all of a sudden everywh that clip with a similar description, is that in any way forcing? The issue was somebody is some organization, is somebody behind that? So we're all kind of looking at that and praying about that and making sure we're using discernment. And I think one of the most important questions is did the meeting cause our message to change? The answer is no. Our message was the same before the meeting as it was after the meeting because, as you know, we've been diving into the subject matter for the last few years, particularly in my ministry, we've kind of dug into it, started doing research over the last, I believe, five years into the subject matter. And when I got the call to be in the meeting, they said the purpose of it was it's going to start dripping very, very quickly and then it's going to be slowly and then all of a sudden there's going to be this massive disclosure. And the day after we have this meeting, Trump comes out and says, we're going to have to declassify some of these files. And what's interesting now is because of this Perry Stone clip, myself responding to that, this is swirled into something that has forced the conversation with different representatives who I think have, are kind of don't know what we've been saying. They kind of hear the rumor of what we've been saying. But Trump just said, yeah, we're going to have to rush, we're going to rush to release these files. I think Cash Patel also did that. So it's interesting that we've been talking about how this is going to happen and then now we're kind of being, seems like used to do that, maybe by the hand of God, but we're not altering our message. If they were trying to pick people to use, they felt like they could manipulate, they picked the wrong people because all we're doing is telling people, listen, you better get right, Jesus is coming.
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Yeah, exactly. And that's, you know, going all the way back to, which really precipitated, I think, LA's virtual conference back in January was the Age of Disclosure documentary that came out last Thanksgiving on Prime Video. And, and I remember talking to LA and he's like, oh, we need to, you know, we need to have this conference in December. And I was like, well, that's way too early. Let, let, let, let the movie get out there a little bit and then, and then it'll give us time to, to actually respond and more people will be aware of it. And then of course, we know what's coming. In the sense in I think it's June 12, you have the Steven Spielberg movie, you know, the Day of Disclosure coming out and so comment on that in the sense of, you know, the overall trajectory from Thanksgiving all through this coming up to June. I mean, is all this coincidence? I don't know. I mean, what's your thoughts?
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B
I've never seen anything like it. This is a full court press. It has to be Organized. There's no way this is random. And the only question is, will the church be prepared for it? So I agree with you 100% that this is being orchestrated. They're rushing this for some reason, and maybe it's a distraction from something. Some people say, they point to something in the news and say, are we distracting from that? Maybe, Maybe. Let's make sure. I think that's the goal of the enemy with everything, whether it be haunted houses or ghosts or whatever the case may be. It's all a distraction, trying to pull people away from scripture, pull people away from the gospel, pull people away from the truth, because the truth that you know is what makes you free. So if this is the case and there are unseen forces, you know, a conspiracy theory is a great way to become a victim. And we are not victims. We are victors. This idea that there's an unseen force that we can't control that's pushing this narrative, I think it's a very dangerous view, and there's nothing we can do about it, is a very dangerous view. However, there is an unseen force. There are organizations, there are global elites that are pushing this narrative. I believe that's true. But there is something we can do. We can prepare the church. We can make sure that we take control of the narrative and we let people know. Listen, the Bible has a much more interesting story about all this subject matter, and it has stood the test of time for centuries.
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Yeah, that's a great reminder of, again, just getting back to the word. And let me ask you this, using. I always think in terms of maybe a new believer or one of our brothers and sisters who isn't, you know, isn't as familiar with all of the. The stuff in the language that we're talking about. So they might be asking the question, well, Brother Allen, what is the narrative? What. What is the narrative that I need to be as a Christian on the lookout for? I mean, I, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm emboldened to the gospel to be Jesus Christ.
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He's.
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He's the only. What is the government narrative? What even would be potentially Satan's? What. What would his narrative be that he would try to infiltrate through the media or the government or the press or whatever, help us put. Describe that narrative so that we can see it.
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B
That's such a good question. Because we're. We're not supposed to be ignorant concerning the devil's devices. And I think throughout your life and throughout history, you can see the enemy doesn't take over all at once. It's inch by inch and pinch by pinch that the enemy tries to take over. And, and what was presented to us in the meeting and what I've preached and taught for many, many years is that what the enemy is going to do. This was also the, the narrative in the conspiracy theory called Project Blue Beam that was first popularized in the 90s by a Canadian who suggested that there would be some sort of cataclysmic event, a natural disaster that would uncover some ancient religious text that would show that the Bible was almost true. That it's almost true. Close, but no cigar. And we're going to have to rally together as a world and gather together to create a one world global religion. And then there'll be some sort of climactic Armageddon type event that's simulated by these global elites to get the world to come together. I think that is illustrative for us of what the enemy will attempt to do with this, that there'll be some sort of disclosure. Maybe these entities have a higher intelligence, whatever the case may be, and they're going to share with us. Listen, it was very close. Jesus, he was one of us. Or, or he was right on track. It was just a little bit off. And here's the truth. And I think that's the danger of it. That because it will appear to be an ally with Christianity, that yes, we love Christianity, we love Christians, we love the Bible, and it's mostly true, except for the parts where it's not. And that's where it can get dicey, where people say, for example, the Bible contains the word of God. That's a very concerning statement for me because it doesn't contain the word of God. It is the word of God. If it contains the word of God, that means they believe portions of it are not, but portions of it are. And I think that's the danger, that's the narrative that's going to be pushed forward.
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Yeah, that, that's the slippery slope I remember, you know, in dealing with any cults or New Age or whatever, that phraseology. Well, yeah, I mean, the word of God is in there. It contains it, the Bible contains it. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Again, words are important. And so if we come back, the. So let's say, let's fast forward to July and you know, Trump, he, he's kind of, he's done a very good job of teasing a little bit, almost, almost being coy to some degree. Like, well, you know, some people are interested in this. I'M not really interested in it, but there's others that are so for use for you. We'll get it out. And there's no doubt that Trump desires to, you know, he has his own personal foibles, but he wants to be potentially known as a legacy, as the disclosure president. So let's say he comes out and says we're not alone. And then how far down that rabbit hole do you think? And we're just speculating here, but from what you understand, and maybe what the briefers suggested, did they provide even a little bit more of a narrative how it's going to be shaped by potentially Trump or others?
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B
Yes, they did go into some, into some detail on that. And when it comes to this document dump, whatever it is, we don't know whether this is going to be anything. It could be a big fat nothing burger, much like a lot of the Epstein files were for people to just kind of roll around through thousands of useless pages and misinterpret this and misinterpret that. That seems to be a pattern of behavior, by the way, that, that they promise disclosure, disclosure, disclosure, going to do this and then nothing really happens. And then they do it again until the point that we're just kind of fatigued and we're just so inundated with all this thousands of pages and none of it ever means anything to the point that they'll be able to say anything. So, yeah, I've heard that potentially they didn't say this in the meeting. July 8, being the anniversary of Roswell, there could be some disclosure. I think Trump would, I think that he would wait until he's in trouble or the, the narrative in the nation is gone askew and he wants to take control of the conversation. That's when he'll introduce the documents dump or that we're not alone in the universe or that there are intelligence of non human origin. I think that sounds more like Trump. However, you're right, he does want to be an historic legacy president. And I've heard they're already minting a coin as well for the 47th presidency, where there's a UFO on the coin. So they're planning this, that he is going to be the president that's known for this, when it's going to happen and whether it's going to be all it's cracked up to be. Who knows?
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A
Yeah, and I just saw this morning, you know, Kash Patel was asked and he said, oh, no, it's the, the, the initial, the initial dump has already been released. And so not sure what that means. Released to who? And then what, what medium is it going to be released in? Similar to, you know, again, well, maybe all those are going to be dumped and maybe they're being, at this very moment, they're being uploaded to aliens.gov. right. That's the new website.
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B
Right, Right. And so could be, unless aliens.gov is for immigration, which who knows, probably should be. Who knows what they're going to do with it. I am concerned with the incongruity of J.D. vance and Trump laughing about this, that especially J.D. vance who says that he believes aliens are demons and he laughs about the subject matter. And so I don't get, I don't get that doesn't make sense to me. Those two don't connect. You think they're demons? You think they're real? This is going to be disclosed. And that's funny. Trump, Trump also laughing about it, saying, well, I've spoken to people from central casting. You know how he talks that, you know, this Air Force pilot who's handsome and strong and has all this experience, very patriotic and very intellectual and he's seen some things. But I don't know, maybe you guys will think this is interesting. I don't, I don't, I don't know. So I don't get the incongruity with this. I don't think Trump is attempting to, I don't think he's that deliberate in trying to manipulate the masses. I think he says what's on his mind.
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A
Yeah.
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And so I, you know, I don't know why they're approaching it in this manner. I do know there is going to be massive document dumps that are coming and we just need to make sure we don't, we don't flip out, sensationalize it, fear monger, just stick close to scripture.
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So let's, let's go back from, because you can go back to 80s, 90s, whenever, maybe it's even earlier, maybe it was even the 60s where we heard, at least way back when, you know, the Brooking Institute, they come out with this report that if there was disclosure, transparency way back then, that the, because America was certainly back in the 50s and 60s, far more Christian, that's way different now. But that it would turn the civilization or the society upside down because Christians wouldn't be able to handle the idea of, you know, some other physical, not just demons, but some other physical being, creatures, however you want to call it, from Zeta Reticuli or Alpha Centauri, whatever, that somehow within the Christian Paradigm, they would, they would, they would lose their faith. So that's kind of always been kind of some of the background to why the government, at least that was their reason for allegedly not presenting this information, because they didn't want to disrupt society. Well, I think that certainly society now has been trained through all, all the movies in Hollywood, etc, that. And most people aren't even really Christian or have a biblical worldview. They're gonna be like, oh, well, big deal. Okay, well, we watched, you know, you know, all these films. Okay, what have you told us that isn't there? So do you think that if this dump that comes out, that if it absolutely proves that these are physical craft, like it's not just lights in the sky? I mean, we, we might, but these are physical craft. Potentially, as David Grush said, with physical biologics, like non human biological beings, will that challenge the person in the pew and will that challenge the Christian biblical paradigm?
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B
Yeah, I think in the natural course of events, for true believers, this will be a blip on the radar. They will be completely unmoved because these are people who love the Lord, who have been in the word of God, who study the word of God, who pray, who understand they are spiritual entities at work. They activate themselves in spiritual warfare, and they're involved in the Great Commission. They're occupying until Jesus comes. For these people, it's going to have zero impact on their faith and on their life. But you know as well as I do that a lot of churches have turned into drama classes teaching tares to act like wheat. And so there's a lot of people sitting in the pews who are just kind of sitting on the fence. And it could have a tremendous impact on them. So perceptually, there could be a great falling away. There's a lot of people looking for an excuse to not go to church, to not be a part of any religion, to live their lives. And this will be that excuse. So if left on its own, even within society, I don't think it would have that big of an impact. But with social media and with the way nothing molehills are turned into mountains, and this certainly isn't a molehill. They're going to. They've been training the algorithms to teach us how to feel, how to react, how to respond. They're going to be able to get whatever reaction they want to get. If they want hysteria, they're going to get hysteria. And so I wish I could say cooler heads will prevail. I do think within the church that will be the case. But in the world, they're going to need to see light and salt. They're going to need to see people who are keeping their heads and walking in the peace of God, because I think the narrative is going to kind of push them to overreact.
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A
Yeah. And, you know, in one of the other kind of, you know, scenarios is. Let's run with it for a moment in that. In the sense of the narrative that we certainly know from New Age teachings for a long time. Panspermia, you know, or alien even. You go into some of the alien astronaut theory, you know, all of that whole paradigm that could it be part of the narrative is, hey, we've. We've arrived. We're the ones that seeded you again. We're the. We're your ancestors, we're your progenitors. And we. But we've come at this time for whatever reason. I mean, do you. Do you see that as potentially part of maybe the narrative?
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B
Yeah. Could this all be a setup from the time Darwin had his theory popularized? Was it all a setup to get us to view ourselves in a different way, less than the image of God from that very moment? So I think we do need to watch the Darwinian evolution narrative. Even with. One of the scientists who recently is no longer with us was talking about P47s and P52s. You heard about that, that there are ultra humans, that they're actually communicating with us from the future and there's some sort of apocalyptic event and they're trying to help us now. So I think you're right on track with that, I think. And that's something that people will buy into. You have people like Richard Dawkins, who claims to be an intellectual, the author of the God delusion, He believes panspermia, that it is certainly possible that alien seeded life here on this planet. He has said that. So it seems to be a narrative that even the most intellectual have already said they're willing to buy into.
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A
Yeah, to me, that's. That's the thing. And, and for us. Let me. Let me ask you this. And going back to some of the physicality. So let's say, you know, a ship lands. Boom. There it is. A physical ship. That's not an illusion. It's not Project Blue Beam. There it is. Nuts and bolts ship. What do you tell people?
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B
Here's the question. This is what Troy Brewer says all the time. The question is, what do they say about Jesus? Right. That's the question. What do they say about Jesus when they get off that ship? So we can get into the weeds. And it's a fun conversation of, what are these things? Could it be this, this, this, this, or this? The ultimate question is, whose camp are they in? What do they say about Jesus? And how does it line up with the word of God? That has to be our reaction. That has to be our response and our reaction. So I think that's the. That's the way that we approach the situation, and we train believers to approach it. Be prepared to see anything. Be prepared. I listen. I am thoroughly unimpressed with anything the devil does, no matter how supernatural it is, no matter what it is. I've seen orbs. I've been with people like, whoa, do you see that? I do see that, and I do verify that, that these pilots have no idea what that is, and the ground control has not been able to identify that. I'm still not impressed. I'm not impressed with the enemy. And so we need to be trained to be thoroughly unimpressed with anything the enemy puts in front of us and then ask this question, what do they say about Jesus? And that'll tell us everything we need to know.
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A
Yeah, I remember when I. In my presentation for the. For the virtual conference, I. I kind of ended on that simply to say that if. If the ship shows up and I happen to be there, and I wanted to go up and knock on the door and say, hey, hey. Yeah. Have one question for you. Do you believe that Jesus came in the flesh? Jesus of Nazareth, flesh, and is the Messiah, the Son of God, and salvation can only be found through him alone? Yes or no? That's all I want to know. I mean, yes and no wiggle room. The answer is yes or no. And would you affirm that? Because there's no doubt. I imagine that, you know, we. We see in First John 2, right, the message of the Antichrist is, you know, that Jesus didn't come in the flesh or whatever. You have a variety of things. But do you think. Do you think it's possible that in. In asking that question, okay. That they would say, yes, we. We affirm that.
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B
Oh, that's interesting. Well, no man can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, right? And so there. And there are many. What is it was it in Second John who said there are many, many entering into the world who deny that Jesus Christ has come into the flesh? There's something about that that trips up every cult that attempts to say it's Christian. There's something that makes their skin crawl. Acknowledging that Jesus came in the Flesh, that he's all God and he's all man. And I think that is the litmus test. I don't think they would be able to say that. And if they do say that and say, all right, well, let's go tell the whole world together that Jesus is the redeemer of the whole wide world. Yeah, that's right. And the whole universe.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Because he is the creator of everything. So, I mean, you know, our Psalm 19 pictures attest to the beautiful things that God has created out there. It's interesting, too, that we got to remember that, you know, Second Corinthians 11, that Satan appears as an angel of light. And not only that, but it says in verse 14 and then in 15 that. And Paul says, it's no wonder then that his servants, Satan's servants, would appear as ministers of righteousness. So they can certainly. I wonder if they would say, well, yeah, of course. In order to appear as a light, promote righteousness. And then later, oh, by the way.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What we really meant was A, B, and C. Wow.
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B
Well, I think we're in for it. We're in for it for sure. And with technology, if a spaceship were to land and some entity walk out, we're watching that. If we're watching it on a screen, how do we know that what we're seeing is real, even if we're not watching on the screen with the technology we have, how do we know that this wasn't just completely fabricated by man or a genetically engineered entity? How do we know it's not a bot? I was just amazed last night. I was looking at some of these robots that they're creating and what they're able to do. There's nothing we can believe unless it's in Genesis to Revelation. We just. There's nothing true except what's in that book. And we got to cling close to it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That.
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A
That to me, that it all comes back to this new age that we're in. We're. We're. Not only are we in the AI age, which, again, anything digital, whether it's visually on a screen or in a phone, is 100% suspect now. And really, I think the enemy. I think the devil loves that because now, I mean, you and I could be sitting there and we could be. You know, again, I take a video of Bigfoot. There he is. There he is. I got it. But nobody would believe it because you'd say, oh, it's A.I. the existence, even the possibility of decisive truth is now removed.
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B
Yeah. And I feel bad For Bookfoot, almost like he probably wants to be revealed by now. And no one's going to believe it. No one's going to believe it. We're going to get Dogman on video. He's going to be finally, I'm coming out and no one's going to believe.
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A
So as we, you know, as we, as we kind of think about over the next whatever a few months we've seen, we've seen some direction again over the last few months. Like I said, all of a sudden now why is this viral? Why is this viral from something that happened a few months ago? There's, there's definitely a reason. Is it, is it, is it projecting or guiding, you know, what's the source of it? So when, if we were to, to summarize or sum it up the, the perspective of the whole narrative of the alien agenda or the alien presence. There's been a lot of discussion within the Christian camp brothers and sisters, you know, talking about this where like JD Vance, you brought them up. Well, it's all demonstration. Well, to me, I like to clarify things in my presentation. I did it. So let's clarify that because that's a little non specific. If we want to just say demons is evil, then I'm fine with that. This is evil. It has a nefarious agenda. Certainly is not promoting Jesus Christ, but it seems to be a little simplistic simply to say, oh, aliens are demons and here's here, I want to get your thoughts on this because every. Okay, J.D. vance, it's alien. It's all demons. Well, in the Bible demons are disembodied, they're spiritual, they're not walking around with flesh and blood. We don't see they want to possess things, at least in the Bible. So that's what makes me a little nervous is if we run with the idea that oh, the aliens are just demons, but then something physical shows up, people are going to go, wait a minute, I thought they were demons because they don't look like a demon. So to me, I think that we have to be a little bit more careful in our, in our nuancing because I think that could potentially work against us. Your thoughts on that?
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B
Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%. And when we're having this conversation, when we're talking with people in the world who we're trying to reach, we're trying to evangelize these people to act as though you've given no thought to their position or what they're saying, that you've taken no time to consider, even though you already have, you know, you've spent years thinking about this, we have to listen to them say, you know what? That's a really interesting point. Here's what I know from scripture, here's what I know from the Bible, and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because even though we may be, as a church, new to the UFO conversation, relatively speaking, we are not new to the supernatural. This is something that we are very accustomed to, that we know a great deal about, and here's what we know about the supernatural from our perspective. But I think you're absolutely right because you have this concept. There seems to be an idea in Bible prophecy of the resurgence of the nephilim. Could that be it? Could there be some sort of demonically inspired technology that we're seeing? Could that be it? Could it be? You know, there's a, there's a whole host of things that could be, be. And again, the question is just what matters is what camp is enough? What camp is enough. That's what we need to find out.
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A
Yeah, and I think as the, as I talk with people, I see that, you know, you think about, you know, the. Lots of stories, you know, gray aliens, you know, I, I've talked to people who said, no, I've, I've seen them. I mean, I've actually seen them. And so you look and you go. And they, they try to say, well, what is it? And as far as I know, and talking to everybody Christian or those that are involved in this, nobody knows exactly. I mean, I haven't done an autopsy. And not that we, that I've seen. What, what is that creature? What is that being? And, and I, I look at it and one of the things I shared in, in my presentation is, look, I actually lean towards the idea that, that angels have corporeality, that they have physical constructs to them. They're not just like they're opposite of a demon, which we don't have any physical construct for them in the Bible. And but angels show up. Genesis 18:19, they're eating, you know, and they're, they're having dinner. And we know in Luke 24, one of the ways that Jesus shows up and they think he's a spirit, they think he's Casper the ghost. And he says, wait, do you have any food here? Give me some food. Yeah, you know, you guys, you know, even his head, give me some food. So one of the ways that he showed his physical, new physical, glorified body was eating. And you think according to Jesus theology, he says for a Spirit doesn't have flesh and bone, as you see. Give me some food. And so, in the same way, in my mind, when you see angels eating in the Bible, I find it okay, they can show up. Fallen angels. Are they seek to deceive?
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B
Could they?
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A
One of the things that I heard coming out of this one of the meetings was that these briefers were discussing that the United States military and the deep projects they have been involved in. Hybridization.
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B
Yes, yes. Yeah, 100%. And when you think of the angelic kingdom and you look at all the descriptions of angels and how many and varied they are, all the way from what we see in Revelation to the four beasts, what we see in Ezekiel, we see full of eyes. We see so many different descriptions of angels. And the Bible says a third of them fell with Satan. And you have to wonder, what if there's a diversity of the angelic host that's similar to the animal kingdom all the way from the giraffe to the beetle, as far as how diverse and differing they are in how they operate, how they function, what they look like. Is that same diversity within the fallen kingdom as well within fallen angels that can look a variety of different ways? And as you said, is there demonically inspired technology with all of this hybridization, which we know is going on? That's something that was discussed in the meeting. We do know that there are hybridization programs, and they've been working on this for a long, long time. Decades and decades and decades. What have they produced that we don't know about? In addition to that, something that I always bring up is you remember when Nebuchadnezzar was cursed by God, he literally turns into a beast. So could there be cursed individuals who appear to be abnormal, completely different from a human being? Could that be possible as well? So you're right. There is a lot of nuance there. So long as we just make sure we stay connected with scripture.
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A
Yeah. And. And one of the things that I shared was, again, going back to the Bible. And to me, this is powerful because when you go back to Exodus 4 and Moses is confronting Pharaoh, and. And then, of course, Pharaoh has his occultic priests there, and, you know, Moses throws down his wooden staff and it turns into a steak. Oh, miracle of God. There you go. God. But they did the same thing.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you think, let's. Let's be Satan. At least there granted God had loud permission where they were able to appeal and to turn something inanimate, like a piece of wood into a snake. Could they have turned it Into a Bigfoot? Could they have turned it into the dog man? I mean, in my mind, I think here we have a scriptural precedent that when granted permission for God's sovereign reasons, Satan had the ability to take an inanimate object and make it into something, into really an animal of some kind or a creature or could it be something else? So I find that straight from the Bible that we cannot limit. This is where I think we have a biblical paradigm. If something shows up and go, well, certainly Satan doesn't have the ability to do that. Where did you learn that at? I think for deceptive reasons. Could a, like you said, maybe a fallen angel appear or shape shift into something and still be physical and appear and talk and be an angel of light? That would come right out of the Bible. Yeah, we have to be prepared for that.
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B
We have. I mean we're warned about lying signs and wonders. Yes. Even when we're warned against false prophets. Most of the attack against false prophets is whether or not they were accurate or not. But that's not the fullness of the attack in scripture. The Bible clearly says there are false prophets who are 100% accurate.
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A
Yep.
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B
But the question is, are they leading you away from the God of your fathers? That's the question. So yeah, even when we, even within the spirit filled charismatic community, the warning has to be stop following after signs. That's when you're going to get into trouble. We don't follow signs. Well, this happened and this happened and this, well that's wonderful. Let it happen, let it follow you. You don't follow it. But the Bible says these signs will follow them that believe in my name. So I think that's the key, that as we move forward, as God intends to use his people, let's not get the emphasis on the wrong syllable. Let's not begin to focus on the wrong thing. Look at this sign, this amazingly, let's be thoroughly unimpressed. I'm not impressed. When a prophet gets a prophecy accurate, that does not impress me. What impresses me is their fidelity to the word of God. That's what impresses me.
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A
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because we see as we enter the end of the age and you've written, we interviewed you here on your book on the Rapture and they lied to you about the Rapture, which is again phenomenal to prepare people. And we see in second Thessalonians to this idea of when Satan appears, he's going to appear with all power. It says all power in Greek. It's very clear. I was like, all power and signs and deceptive wonders. We see that in Revelation 13, you know, they're calling down fire from heaven. It's. To me, what you said is so perfect because when we think about prophecy, in Deuteronomy 18, Paul, God is giving this warning and he talks about, you know, if a prophet comes and speaks a word and it doesn't come to pass, well, then obviously you don't need to fear that person. But what people Forget is Deuteronomy 13, where Deuteronomy 13, God says, Look, if someone comes and, and, and shares a word and it comes to pass, but they are seeking to bring you away from me. Their message. He said, I'm allowing that to test you so that you will seek and follow me. And so here, what you just said is so perfect because Deuteronomy 13, it's not about the sign itself, it's about the message.
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B
Yes, the message and the motive.
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A
The message and the. Yeah. So when we come to the end of the age, that's why I say, I think all of us would be, what is their message? Because the signs, somebody showing up, physicality, non physicality. I mean, all those things, a ship, I have no problem. It doesn't violate my biblical worldview to see that Satan can do a lot of things that are real. But what are they saying?
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B
Yeah, that's exactly right. We've kind of done a disservice by focusing on Deuteronomy 18 and giving no attention to Deuteronomy 13. And so as a result, we set the church up to believe that there's really no prophecy. And so we don't believe any prophecy at all. Then someone's going to come along and they're going to say something and it's going to come to pass exactly as they said it. And these people are totally unprepared for that. So they're going to buy into it hook, line and seeker because they thought all this stuff is just, you know, it's, it's not happening anymore. This doesn't happen any longer. So this must be God. No, no, no, no, no. It might not be God. It might be supernatural, but it's not God. And we need to make sure we stick close to the gospel. That's the main thing.
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A
Amen. Amen. Well, any, any, as we think about you, this, all these things that are happening over the past really week, it's been quite phenomenal. And you know, you probably didn't realize that your attendance at some, you know, small meeting was going to develop into this.
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B
Never. Never. In fact, remember I said, I called my friend and said should we do this? Are we sure we want to go into this meeting? So never imagine this will be the case. But I pray this is just bringing people back to the word.
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A
Yeah, Amen. Amen. And so I think as we, as we wrap this up, appreciate Alan, your time of course. And I'm glad you were there because what we are seeing right now is all these people that the world is in social media, they're getting exposed to conversations like this where you've been out and you've been able to share and which wouldn't have probably happened, you know, in, in, in, in at least in a different context. But God is going to use this for his glory for sure. And we, I'm glad people are talking about it because again, pointing people back to the scripture. So any, any final thoughts for people and then we'll wrap it up.
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B
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- [49:00]
A
Well, you're again, you're very, very kind. Thanks for, thanks for coming on today. And everybody else, thanks for joining us again. Alan was there. Alan was there. And let's get some facts out there and at the end of the day get back to the Bible, hold the Bible close. You know, don't follow signs, wonders or really anything else. The scripture is what we hold on to. It is the living word of God and that's, that's the path forward for us. So thanks for listen and we will catch you next time.