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to receive the truth.

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Humanity is not the only intelligence in the universe. Humanity is not the only intelligent species. We are absolutely not alone. Non human intelligence exists. UAPS are real. They're here and they're not human. I spent 25 years as a senior official with the CIA. I worked on highly classified UAP program. 28 years as an astrophysicist. I served as the fourth Director of

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National Intelligence, Director of Aviation Security and

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the national security, the one star admiral. After 32 years of service, people that

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come forward with this, I feel like they've taken their life in their own hands.

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I was recruited to a highly sensitive government program that investigated unidentified aerial phenomena

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for over 16 years on behalf of the US government. I worked as a senior intelligence official on the unidentified aerial phenomenon topic.

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We learned that the US Government was involved in a long running serious secret war with other nations to collect and reverse engineer vehicles not made by humans.

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I have seen with my own eyes non human craft and non human beings.

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So it's rotating. There's a whole fleet of them.

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The first country that cracks the code on this technology will be the leader for years to come.

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China has established its own version of

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a UAP task force.

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Is the think for a second that they wouldn't consider using it to achieve their ends of domination.

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This is similar to the Manhattan Project. This is the atomic weapon on steroids.

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This is so secret, very, very few people in our entire government have been

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allowed access to it.

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Even presidents have been operating on a need to know basis. But that begins to ramp out of control. It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that no one ever sees. You better be careful about a government

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that doesn't trust its people because there's

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no telling what they'll pull on you.

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This is the biggest discovery in human history. You had information being locked away that could change the trajectory for species. It has so many beneficial impacts, including clean energy.

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We should have disclosure today, we should have disclosure tomorrow. The time has come.

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What else you want to know?

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So that that documentary is already out. You can find it on Prime Video and it's two hours to me. I find it fascinating because the question for us is there's a narrative here and they are going to have their narrative, no doubt. And of course as Christians we want to be able to engage our culture. And interestingly, you have the documentary which is nonfiction and they interviewed. I'll show you some of the people they interviewed. But then you have the fiction. Steven Spielberg here in June, he's coming out just coincidentally, same time, a video or movie, full length video of a movie called Disclosure Day. Is something being shaped here. I mean there's a narrative that's being shaped by the world in order to provide, which I think is going to be certainly filled with disinformation, misinformation as well as, again, there's going to be a religious narrative to it. And if you watch this trailer, I'm not going to show it to you, but it's really kind of creepy if you just, just watch it. I encourage you to watch it because it's going to be, it's just weird. But it also will connect you with. If you study a lot of New age thinking going back the last really 100 years or a lot of the conversations, even the New Age, those that are in it and they speak to their, their spirit brothers, they're basically channeling demons. But the Spear brothers talk about how this, there's going to be. Our ancestors, the ones who seeded us here on planet Earth are going to be returning to help. Isn't that just wonderful? And of course they have their own religion to go with it. So let's, let's do, let's get some words here just really quick because things, things change here as well. Even in the language, even in the terms ufo. We all heard of that identified Unidentified Flying Object. But then they start talking about uap. That's kind of interesting. Well, why did they do that? Well, Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. One of the reasons that they did this originally was the government, because phenomenon is not this. It's not hard, it's not an object, it's not physical. It's just something that you perceive. So it could be physical or it could be not. And I'll show you some other things here. UAP also is talking about anomalous phenomena because of the fourth one, what they show. And I'll show you a clip where they show from on radar objects or craft going from air into water. And so they're submersible and sometimes they're called transmedium. So in this documentary they feature 34 at least current former government officials. It's actually pretty amazing what this guy was able to do in the sense of interviewing these people. This is no longer tinfoil hat stuff and I'll give you some, some history of that. Some, some of the other ones. It's a little small, hard to see but just PhDs. A lot of pilots and other intelligence officials are involved in all this and involved in being interviewed which I was really surprised at the highest levels. It's actually pretty amazing. So when ufology, when did this begin? I'm just going to give you a quick lesson here on this really started in 1947 where you have this report over Mount Rainier in Washington. Nine saucers were seen there and they kind of began this era of the modern day UFOs. And again you see response Roswell again 7-7-47 and you see the response of the government when they the this is well known as well that when Roswell happened immediately a newspaper comes out and says hey, a saucer crashed. Well then the next day government comes out and says oh no, it was the weather balloon. And so we know that there's been this history of obfuscation and there's been other again efforts. So I do recommend Eliam Arzulli's book Rungs of Disclosure where it's interesting because as he talks about this the it's we're already he gives like 22 rungs of disclosure starting really from 2017 on and but now he's got to come back and it's almost like he has to update this book every few months because things are happening so fast, especially as it relates to our government. And I'll explain that so in really in modern times. Anybody have heard Dr. Stephen Greer, maybe some of you have. He was a doctor and he, his goal is he started the Disclosure project. I would say stay away from this guy at all costs because his mentality is these aliens, these non human entities, they're our friends, they love us. They want to help us. They're here to help us to advance. And in fact, what's happening is the United States government is painting them as a threat. Why? Because they want to. Basically, if they're a threat, then they need money to address the threat, and therefore, they just want to pad their budgets. Okay, so what Dr. Stephen Greer is out there doing is he will have. He'll go out and he'll say, hey, come join us. He has several documentaries that you can watch. He'll say, come out and join us. We're going to go out on this mountaintop and we're going to have a little. He doesn't say prayer, but we're going to have a little seance and we're going to invite them to come.

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And.

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And sure enough, he does these things, and all of a sudden you see lights in the sky showing up and completely deceived in his mind. And so Fast forward to 2017. So that's relatively recent. This is really when, in the modern sense, things started heating up with these. These characters, especially Lou Elizondo. We'll talk more about him. But in 2017, the New York Times came out with an article which really was the launching point, because they talk about this AATIP program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. This was a program from 2007 to 2012, where the government, basically the secret government agency, tasked them to document all this. And so Lu Elizondo was the leader of this, and they began to go out and document all of the. As many as they could, the cases. And when a UFO showed up. I'll talk about this later. How did it affect people biologically and other things? So let's see here. I might as well just do this. So this is just kind of the history of what has been happening recently since the 2017 New York Times article. All of a sudden, all this press started coming, and now the government's getting involved because the Pentagon has been releasing videos about pilots and observing things on radar and other things. You can see here, again, just going on and on. The main thing here, I remember this. In 21, the Office of the Department of National Intelligence, they released this preliminary assessment of 144UAP from 2004-21. One of them, they was a balloon, and the rest were anomalous. But the key thing here is that they're physical objects on various sensors. And so at least officially, they're like, well, we don't really know what these things are. Then we have 60 minutes, which now it's gone mainstream. They begin to air a documentary with different military witnesses. And then In May of 22, a congressional hearing. So now it's in Congress and they're having meetings with certain experts, et cetera. So it's gone very mainstream. But as you can see here, they basically said, oh, we just need better data collection in 22. So they form Arrow, which is the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to centralize this. So let's see here, continuing on, I remember reading this one too. Another follow up on 500 sightings and 171 unexplained. So the key thing is starting in 23, this is where they began to have whistleblower testimony. So whether they were, I'll give you a couple, whether they were pilots or other things, they came out and said, listen, I'm going to tell you what we've seen with our own eyeballs, what we've recorded and we are not allowed to share a lot of this stuff, some of it is classified, but they're willing to come out anyway and to share this information. And so the funny one is in March of 24. So Arrow, remember got. Let's see if I go back. Arrow gets established here in 22nd of July and then they come out in a couple years later and say they released a report denying evidence of any UFO cover ups but acknowledging unexplained sightings and there's been no reverse injury. This is like hiring the fox to do an investigation of missing chickens from the hen house. Okay, that's exactly what this is. It's like, so nobody believes Arrow has done anything of no cover up. There's been, the government has been completely transparent. Who believes that? Nobody. So because of that you have other hearings in November of 24. So we're getting a little bit more recent. These are hearings that are happening in Congress exposing the truth and more whistleblowers, More whistleblowers. The most recent one was just a few months ago in September of 25, restoring public trust through UAP transparency and whistleblower protection. Because interestingly, what Congress, what especially the House of Representatives and this committee, the UFO committee, UAP committee, they're trying to get legislation passed so that whistleblowers can have increased protection. Well, that seems pretty reasonable, right? Well for whatever reason they can't get it passed in Congress. Well, why do you think that is? Money lobbying, et cetera. So let's talk about this guy, David Grush. He came in and a bombshell of a testimony. I'll give you some quotes from him, but you can Just see his credentials. He's an intelligence officer all the way. Going back, he's been involved with the national, the nro, National Reconnaissance Office. This guy is the guy and he got hired. So the UAP Task force says, okay, we're going to hire you and we want you to go investigate now and go to all these different organizations and offices and get us information and you'll report to Congress. Okay? So he says this. So he comes back before Congress and he had been commissioned and he says, during the course of my official duties, I became aware of a multi decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. This program is separate from publicly acknowledged Department of Defense and intelligence community programs. And I was denied access to it. Despite my responsibilities to identify special access programs and controlled access programs relevant to the UAP investigations. The information I received came from personnel with direct knowledge of the program and its operations. So here he is doing what he's supposed to do and he's getting stonewalled. He says, I have served in the US Air Force and the intelligence community, including roles at the NRO and National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. In the course of these assignments, I was responsible for reviewing and identifying special access programs relating to UAP activity. It was during this work that I was informed of the existence of a highly classified program that. Now here's the key that recovers and studies anomalous craft, some of which reportedly contain non human biological material. I have not personally seen these materials, but I have confirmed their existence through personnel with direct knowledge. So he says this, and then Nancy Mace, she says, well, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted these craft? He says, well, as I've stated publicly, biologists came with some of these recoveries. And she says, well, were they human or non human? Well, they're non human. And that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge of the people of the program I talked to. So, okay, so let's bring it in here to the church. What do we do with this information? Non humans bodies? Are these aliens from, you know, Zeta Reticuli or Alpha Centauri? What exactly is going on? Because this is the, this is going to be the narrative right here. And so the question for us is, let me just say it out this way. Is it possible that God has created other beings in different parts of the universe? Theoretically, the Bible doesn't say yes or no. Again, God has secret things that we don't know about. If it's true, if there are other beings outside in different part of the galaxy or whatever, it Brings up a whole host of theological questions. Well, everything that God makes is good. And then of course, as we know, whether they're angels or humans, good beings that were created can rebel and become evil. Which of course we see that in the Bible. So the question is, are these beings good, are they bad? What's their story, what's their intentions? So I don't know that. All we know is that I want to know where these bodies come from. If this is straight, if this is, if I take this at face value, where are these bodies come from? And I'll talk about that. Here's another guy, Louis Elizondo. I'll just give you a couple of his coats because again, you can see him very well. Credentialed person. He'd been involved in the intelligence community really his entire life. He was again in charge of the AATIP program where he was supposed to go out and investigate these things. And he says, although much of my government work on the UAP subject still remains classified, excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel and the public, all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe. That's another interesting thing, is they often will go about these nuclear sites. Furthermore, the US is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries. So in the film the Age of Disclosure, I'm actually going to skip a whole bunch of these because. Well, actually I'll show you a couple of them. Here's why, because I just gave 10 highlights, but this is a good one because the US government has engaged in an 80 year cover up of non human intelligent life and extraterrestrial technology dating back. And so there is a secret arms race. They exhibit capabilities defying known physics that we understand. Trans medium travel, hypersonic speeds up to 40,000 miles an hour. What are these? It's pretty amazing what we're seeing. Come to be here we are at the end of the age and what's the narrative? See, most prophecy teachers will think that when you think about the UFO phenomenon which has been around a long time, a lot of silence about it, a joke with LA that let's go 200 years in the future, we're hanging out in the millennium, we're doing God's work. And I go, oh, LA, I haven't seen you in a while. Where you been? You know, I've been over here, you know, team building over here in this Part of the millennial period. And I go, you know what's interesting? La, remember all that alien stuff, man, Whatever happened with that? Do you think we'll say that? I don't think we're going to say that. That nothing was used of the alien narrative. It's going to be used for deception and for delusion. And so again for us as the Church, I'm simply trying to help us to be, to be in a state of discernment. And so let's see. Oh, here you go.

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Transmedium crafts vehicles that have the capability to operate in space, air and water and seemingly defy all that humanity knows about physics, have been operating with complete impunity around the world since at least the 1940s.

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All right, they pose a national security threat, which is interesting. And affiliate with nuclear weapons. I'll skip all that. They're getting at some of this stuff with breakthrough technology, as you saw there. But some include massive crafts the size of football fields. That's really fascinating. Huge maneuvers that challenge current scientific understanding. Crash UAPs have been recovered, sparking global competition. Non human intelligence there's likely hiding in unexplored deep ocean zones. This I find interesting. Where Tim Gallaudet, who was the admiral that we saw in the trailer, he's got his PhD in oceanography, he was an admiral. And he's like, if you look, because I know the ocean, he goes, if you were to try to hide somewhere, the ocean would be the best place to hide because it's so large and unexplored where again, human access is limited. And then you have other events. Again, it's not just the United States. There's other events. Now here's here again, here's the summary. High ranking officials have direct knowledge of non human craft beings and biologics, including claims of recovered alien bodies and direct directed energy weapons from the crashes. Now here's my question. Can the church handle a paradigm shift? You know, are we? The Catholic Church has said very clearly that, oh yeah, we, we know that aliens are real. We also know that if they come, we're willing to baptize them. But also we're willing to. This is the Vatican straight out of it. They come out and say, but we also are humble and we recognize that maybe they're part of God's creation from another place and they're going to come and share something with us that maybe we don't know. And maybe they'll know things, they'll know more things about God than we will. And we need to submit to that knowledge? I don't think so, really. Exactly. It's so I want to share a couple things to say within the Bible of what we know. I think we can understand this. Now here's a little clip.

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We were shocked to find we were getting pushback from people in the Pentagon based on their religious beliefs.

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There really were religious fundamentalist extremists within the Pentagon that had a severe adversity to this topic.

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These are national security experts, senior members of the national intelligence community who are putting their religion above national security security.

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A senior DoD official actually stopped me in the hallways in the Pentagon and told me that we were doing the devil's work.

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I had to deal with people who were senior to me who were telling me in their world that these are demons and we are poking demons and messing in Satan's world and all these other things. That to me I was like, I can't believe this is coming out of your mouth. I'm briefing about an advanced aerospace vehicle that has been detected on multiple sensors. That's absolutely there.

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And.

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And you're telling me that you think these are demons and that we shouldn't even look at them and study them. My mind was blown.

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All right, so the question is, are they just demons? Well, what does the Bible teach about non human intelligence? Okay, nhi, which is again a phrase when you look at this, it's a little bit busy, but the Bible talks about all kinds of non human intelligence beings, intelligent beings, angels, archangels, cherubim, seraphim, living creatures, watchers, the heavenly host. You got nephilim, rephaim, you got demons, unclean spirits, certainly the dragons, serpents, behemoths, leviathans. We got all kinds of other beings that the Bible talks about. Remember this verse, right? The secret things belong to the Lord our God. Okay, now what does spiritual mean? Oftentimes we'll say, well, an angel is a spirit being or that's the spiritual realm or whatever. And it's interesting that when you start asking or looking for some specificity here, it's a little difficult. Is an angel physical? Is an angel spiritual? Is an angel simply something interdimensional? Are these craft interdimensional? Those are all going to be the phrases that you see getting thrown around. Now here's the question. Is it all just demons? Well, what is a demon? A disembodied spirit. So can you pick up a disembodied spirit on radar? No. And it's interesting if you go back 30 years ago, you know, you see lights in the sky or Orbs that you see orbs a lot within Ufology, I have no problem thinking that if you have a light in the sky or a demon can. Can cause issues or, you know, cause other things. But the fact of the matter, you don't pick up a demon on a radar. So what I'm saying is that what they're saying is, hey, there was these religious extremists that were telling us, don't look into that they're just a bunch of demons. Well, I look at that and say, well, that's ridiculous because they're. Obviously there's craft here. It's not just a demon. Now let's be again, specific. That doesn't mean that they're not. See, when we say demonic. Demonic, we use very non. Precisely. If I say something like, if I say Khomeini who just got killed, he was demonic, what I'm really saying is that he's evil. So if we want to say that something is evil, that's fine. But something could be evil and not necessarily be related to an actual demon. Okay, that's important. And so what you do see in the entire UFO phenomenon is something that looks very evil. It looks very evil. It's got secrecy to it, it's got other things. We'll talk a little bit more about that. But simply, what I'm saying is simply just to throw a label on it, that it's a bunch of demons. That's lazy. That's extremely lazy. And I don't think that we should say that. Okay, well, what else do we know about demons? Demons are disembodied. They seek to indwell humans. This is Luke, chapter eight. It says, for he had commanded, Jesus had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man for many a time and had seized him, he was kept under guard and bound with chains and shackles, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert. The key thing here is synonymously unclean spirit and demon are used the same. It's talking about the same entity here that was looking to be looking to indwell a human body or what do we know in the Bible? Because again, the Bible is our source. Well, they have no physical body and they seek to indwell others. And there's evidence of indwelling humans and pigs and the rest of it, we don't know. Is there any evidence of demons, indwelling technology or inanimate objects in the Bible? No. This is why people say, you know, don't use AI. It's got a Demon in it. Well, I don't. I reject that. I'm not saying it can't be used for evil because certainly anything can be used for evil. AI or the Internet or whatever money. But we don't see any evidence of demons automatically indwelling inanimate objects like AI as an example. Okay, now let's go back to Jesus again. Jesus gives us some very interesting theology. This was right after he's resurrected. So Jesus, was Jesus resurrected physically? Yes, 100%. Okay. It says now, as they said these things, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them and said to them, peace to you. But they were terrified and frightened and supposed they had seen a spirit or a pneuma. They, in Greek, he said to them, why are you troubled? Why do you. Why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet. That it is I myself handle me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. Okay? So here he is, he's showing this hand, his feet. He's like, listen, I'm not a spirit. I'm not Casper the ghost, okay? I'm really, really here. But while they still got to believe for joy and marveled, he said to them, have you any food here? So here's the thing. So Jesus is trying to convince them that he's not a spirit, a non physical being. And how does he prove it? All right, do you have any food? Can somebody give me a donut or something here, Let me eat something to show you that I'm not Casper the ghost and I'm actually physical. Okay? So they gave him a piece of broiled fish and some honeycomb, and. And he took it and he ate it in their presence. Okay, so what Jesus is telling us here is the theology of physicality at least involves eating food. So demons aren't eating food, okay? They're. They're. They're immaterial. They are a spirit being. Okay, but here's the question. What about angels? Well, let's talk about angels for a minute. If you're just a mere spirit, like a demon, you don't eat food. Well, in Genesis 19, we know the story. Two angels came to Sodom in the evening while Lot was sitting in the city's gateway. When Lot saw them, he got up to meet them, bowed down with his face toward the ground, Verse three. But he pressed him strongly. So they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread and they ate. Now that's interesting. We know in Genesis 18, the previous chapter, they ate with Abraham. Also these guys are eating every time they show up it seems, especially these two. And Psalm 78, I know it's a poetry, but it talks about angels food there, which I think is very interesting. Okay, but here's the thing. Angels are not demons, okay? Angels aren't demons and fallen angels are not demons. There is a very specific distinction in the Bible. Now let's also talk about another guy that shows up a non human intelligence, Satan. Now is Satan a spirit being or is he physical being? I would agree with. Okay, he's not just a mere spirit. But here's think about this. What do we see him doing? Well In Exodus chapter 7, He, Moses shows up to the, basically to Pharaoh. And he's basically Moses is pulling out the power card here I'm here on the command of Yahweh and Pharaoh says, who's Yahweh that I need to obey him? He says, well you're going to find out who Yahweh is, okay? And so what Moses does is he throws down his wooden staff, right? Throws it to the ground and what, it becomes a, it becomes a snake? Well the, the priests of, of Pharaoh are like big deal, big deal. Oh, you do a little, little trick here. They take their wooden staff, they throw it down, it becomes a snake. Is that real? Do we believe the story? I do. So it's interesting that where's he getting the power from the occultist priests? Well, they're getting it from Satan, no doubt. But my point in bringing this up is Satan has real power to take a chair potentially and morph it into something that is moving around and has life to it. Now obviously God is the ultimate power, but God has allowed these certain things. But we know what happens. Moses snake eats their snake. So God's superior, okay? But it gives us a lesson though that Satan is able to manipulate non physical matter into physical living matter somehow. To me, I just think that's interesting. Which creates a lot of opportunity for deception. Not that it's not real, but he has real power. We know in the book of Job that God allowed Satan to not touch Job. So what does Satan do? He goes out, he causes, he brings lightning down, he manipulates the weather and it causes a whole bunch of trouble. And unfortunately it kills all of his children. And then what do we see in chapter two, God says to Satan, okay, I'll let you touch Job, but you can't take his life. And what does Satan do? He goes and he somehow manipulates Job's body and, and creates boils or ulcers on his body. How does he do that? This isn't just tricks. This is real physical manipulation. So that tells us that there's two things that I learned from this. The least is that our enemy is extremely powerful in ways that we don't always fully realize. But secondly, he's on a leash. Luke 22. Remember when Satan asked for Peter and Jesus says, Satan has asked for you and I prayed for you so he can't touch us. But here's the point. If God let him off a leash, he would seek to do this to anybody and everybody. He has real power to cause pain and harm to anybody, including unbelievers. And even there, this is where you go to an unbeliever. You go, you know, Satan doesn't love you. If he could, he would manipulate you right now and he would torture you and all this other stuff. He would cause you harm. But, but God in his grace, even though you've rejected him, is still preventing Satan to do that to you. That's true grace from God. We, we know in the book of Revelation during the tribulation period as well that there's going to be real miracles. The, the, the seven year tribulation, that veil between the supernatural and what we see now is going to be 100% removed. I mean, there's angels flying around preaching the gospel, there's all these things, there's miracles being done. We know in Revelation 13 that the false prophet calls down fire from heaven, just like we see in the book of Job. We know as well that second Thessalonians says Satan comes with all power. Think about that phrase. I thought God's the only one with all power. Well, that is true. But Satan comes with all power and signs and deceiving wonders during this time. And what we're doing is we're entering this age of, of deception. So we also know Luke 4, that Satan, when he was tempting Jesus, showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. Is it. Did he have a PowerPoint show? You know, I mean, exactly how he did it? We don't know. We just know that, that he did. Now, next question. I hope I'm just, My brain likes to think through some of these things and ask just questions. How do angels fight? Is it kinetic? Is it, is it physical? We know in Revelation, chapter 12, a war rose in heaven. Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels Fought back, but he was defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent who is called the devil, and his angels were thrown down with him. What this shows us is that Satan was thrown down to earth, which is a physical location. Heaven is a physical location. It's not just some ethereal Casper the ghost mentality. It's a physical place where Satan was thrown down and he no longer has access to that. So again, it brings back into this idea of things that are physical. Again, this is really fun. In Daniel, chapter 10, this angel is speaking to Daniel. He says. Then he said to me, fear not Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard. And I have come because of your words. The prince of Persia was opposing me 21 days. But Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia. What he's saying is, hey, Daniel, man, I got the dispatch three weeks ago from heaven, but I couldn't get here because I had some interference. I had to get Michael to come help me. So what that tells us is, okay, let's just put it in interdimensional, whatever that means, or spiritual. Why doesn't this angel just poof out of heaven, make his way over here? Poof. And it appears in front of Daniel. That's not what happens. He actually has to translocate to get there. The point being is that it seems to be very clear that angels have some physicality to them. And they're not just these spirit beings that are like Casper the ghost. And then he says, hey, I got to go back and fight again. One more passage for us here, which is another well known passage. This is in Second Kings, chapter 6, where Elisha the prophet is sitting there with his servant and the. The army of Syria is camped outside now. So what you're going to see here is something very interesting. Okay, you see it in English, it's there in Hebrew. But. But the servant comes out and he sees the Assyrian human army there. He goes to Elisha and says, master, we're basically, we're in trouble. And Elisha responds, do not be afraid. Now, he's going to list four groups of people here that's very important for those. There's a group, those who are with us, okay, that's two are more than those who are with them. So you have two. You have two human groups. You have the Syrian army against Elisha and Then you have the chariots of fire, who are with Elisha, the spiritual good army, if you want to say spiritual, with another group that is with the evil army. So now you have again, two groups of non human beings squaring off in, in support of their own respective people. And Elijah said, O Lord, please open his eyes that he may see. So the Lord opened the eyes of the young man and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elijah. Now the question is, were these hosts of heaven, were they real? Of course they're real. Were they spiritual? What does that mean? But what we do know is this. We know that again, even in astrophotography, we see the, the visible spectrum of light is 400 to 750 nanometers. So this is it. You got this. But we know that you can have an infrared camera. In fact, I was out last night. We have an infrared camera. And I was out in the backyard and I heard some rustling in the bushes. I was like, okay, get a little nervous, right? So I'm like, I'm gonna get the infrared camera. So, so I went and got the infrared camera completely pitch black. I go out there with the infrared camera and I was like, oh, it's two little bunnies. I got freaked out over two little bunnies that were there, but I could see the bunnies. But even though it's black because it was picking up infrared. Now does that mean that's not physical? See, what Elisha did is he allowed God. He prayed and God allowed him to expand his horizon, to see something that was physical there, but yet his eyes didn't pick it up. So in the same way, what I do think is that angels have the ability to cloak themselves, whatever that looks like, but they're still physical. Okay, so what about an objection? Well, angels are spirits. Doesn't Hebrews one. I love objections. Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation? There it is. Angels are spirits. Well, in First Corinthians 15, which is the resurrection chapter, thus it is written, the first man became a living Adam became a living being. The last Adam became a life giving spirit. Jesus is called a spirit. And the whole chapter is about physical resurrection. So just because you're called a spirit doesn't mean that you are not physical. So, all right, let's, let's begin to wrap it up here. Interestingly, remember the AATIP program? They came up with a report and that was exposed in 2017 by the new York Times and that, hey, there's this AATIP report. So the sun, which is a UK magazine, they were like, they put in a FOIA request, a Freedom of Information act request. And it took four years for them to get this request back. But they were looking for all the information. So basically they said AATIP did all this investigation on UFOs and stuff. We want to know what's in it because it's public. And so they got it. And what they did is one of the reports was this one, the anomalous acute and subacute field effects on human biological tissues. And what it showed was a couple things that when people. Biological effects of human account of UFO encounters. When people were near a ufo, they got radiation burns, they got nerve or brain damage, they got severe headaches, they got heart palpitations. Those are all physical things. So again, we're dealing. We're not just dealing with demons here. We're dealing with something that is very physical. Okay, mufon, part of this same thing. Abductions, paralysis, telepathy, teleportation, levitation and unaccounted for pregnancy. Now that should immediately, especially this crowd. Okay, does that not bring up like Genesis 6 kind of stuff? See, this is the interesting thing here. These aren't just demonic things. These are serious situations where again, people are getting, for example, abducted. And that whole phenomenon, it's interesting if you look at the stats, it was basically about 15 to 20 million Americans claimed to have been abducted. That's a lot. What does it all mean? Okay, well, these guys, this isn't, again, this is not tinfoil hat stuff anymore. These are PhDs, Harvard, others that have been researching the UFO phenomena for a long time. Not everybody that claims to be abducted is abducted. But what I'm saying is that something is happening where people are being physically abducted against their will. Well, that's obviously evil. And it began a long time ago. And in the midst of that, the question always was, what are they doing with these people? Well, a lot of them, the claim is that they are being impregnated and then three months later the baby is taken. And so somehow there's this breeding program. It's really kind of strange if you get into it. The other thing too, LA talks about this all the time. I won't get into all of it, but just you see, cattle mutilations, it's interesting to me. These are all physical things. And in fact, cattle mutilations say, come on, seriously, we're talking about this on a Sunday morning. Well, that's not really wasn't really my goal. Had a short time. Okay, okay. So this is the presentation that we get. All right? But the fact is this is real. And as a Christian, I would like to have at least some sort of. Of understanding. This was so serious of a thing, tens of thousands of cattle mutilations where these cows are taken and then they're dropped and there's all this, all the blood is removed. And the FBI investigated this starting in the 1980s, and it's still going on today. And it's associated with UFOs. So all I'm saying in all of this is now this could be a whole presentation in itself is that what do we see happening? We see UFO phenomenon abducting people, burning people, taking blood, and creating what many people think is a breeding program. For what reason? Not sure exactly. So I'll give you another example. We know or we see, they're talking about human biologics, right? Where did those bodies come from? I think it could be something to do with this. So, and here's the point. In Genesis 6, we know that fallen angels were involved in obviously mating with human women and producing nephilim. So we know that there was genetic modification happening, no doubt. And so the question is that in the current age, they are doing the same thing and. And creating these hybrid type beings, these gray beings, these, you know, the typical gray with the big eyes. And the people who are abducted. Describe these. I have a friend who's an investigator, and she said, mondo, I'm telling you, I've seen one myself, personally. What is that? As a Christian? Well, all I know is I'm not worried. I'm not worried about it in the sense of personally, because we have the Lord's protection. But the fact of the matter is, this is part of the narrative that is coming, that these guys are potentially our saviors. So fallen angels and spirits are physical. They have nuts and bolts, technology. So Genesis 6, like manipulation. Here's the thing is, let's say one shows up, Trump comes out and says, we're not alone. Like, if you watch the video. Okay, well, one shows up outside the door. There it is. I want to go up and I want to knock. Hello? Anybody in there? I just have one question for you. Do you affirm that Jesus is Lord and Messiah, the Son of the living God, and that salvation from our sins can be found only through him and his work on the cross and his resurrection? Yes or no? I don't want to hear anything else of their messaging. I'm not interested in what they have to say about being our ancestors, that they planted us here and that they're the ones that guided our evolution, blah, blah, blah. None of that. Do you believe this? Jesus is Lord of the universe, not just earth. And if they can't answer that in the affirmative, First John 4 tells us to test the spirit. So this is, this is where, this is where it is. Is that as we, as we get out and we're going to see over the next, I don't know, will it happen in July? No, no. But this conversation is not going away. And as the church, I hope that we are equipped to say, no, no, no, let's not fall into whatever those lies are. Even if again, a ship shows up right there, I don't care. Doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if fallen angels had this kind of technology and they were breeding grace. That doesn't, that doesn't bother me. That doesn't ruin or challenge my biblical paradigm. Because the Bible shows us that angels are physical, that they've done genetic manipul manipulation in the past. And so it wouldn't surprise me that they're involved in all these crazy things. But again, at the end of the day, what do we, what do we say? The secret things belong to the Lord. He's revealed some things to us. We don't have all the answers, but I'm not going to be deceived. No matter what, what their narrative is. And we already know that. We've seen many of the new age, they'll say, well, especially with the rapture and LA says this all the time. When they show up, we go up. Now that might happen or might not. All this could be revealed before that. But the key thing is listen to the messaging, listen to what the story, the narrative is being told. Even with the Steven Spielberg movies or all these things, it's sometimes there are threats, sometimes there are friends, but we know the truth. Let's pray, shall we? Father in heaven, we thank you. There's so much here. The world is getting weird, Lord, it's getting crazy. But yet, as a church, you've told us to always be ready to give a defense for what we believe and what we hope. We also have given us plenty of truth in your word to test the spirits, to test the messaging, to test whether these are doctrines of demons or not. I pray, Lord, for the utmost thing, that as Jesus warned us, that nobody would deceive us, that we would take heed, that's on us to be aware of these things. And so we just ask, Lord, that you'd continue to do that for us as we go out. The most important thing, Lord, is that we know you as personal Savior. And with that we have Holy Spirit protection and that you will guide our minds, protect our hearts. And first and foremost through the word of God, we just pray this all in Jesus name, amen.