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What I wanted to talk about is I know you've got a new book out, and boy, oh, boy, do I feel like it's really pertinent to the times that we're living in. Your new book is called the Return of the Watchers. So I really wanted to kind of dive into some of the, I guess you could say, content of that book with you today. So question one for, for us is probably just a good one to lay the foundation. If you could give everyone a little bit of background on who the Watchers are, I think that would be a good place to start.
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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So we can start with the Bible. So in Genesis 6, we get the basic story that there are these. These sons of God, they're fallen angels. Because we can compare that with other parts of the Bible, like in Job, and we can find out, okay, these aren't humans. These are actual supernatural beings, fallen angels. They rebelled against God, they fell to Earth, they mated with humankind and created the giants or, or what's commonly referred to as the Nephilim. We get more of that story in the extra biblical Book of Enoch. And, you know, of course, Enoch, we don't take it's. It's not at the same level as the Bible or anything like that, but it really does help fill in the gaps. Plus, Enoch was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, so people during Jesus's time actually read the Book of Enoch. Jesus even, or Jesus quotes some other Dead Sea Scrolls, but the Book of Enoch is actually quoted in the Bible, so it's not. We wouldn't consider it the same par as the Bible, but it's still something to pay attention to. So in chapter six, coincidentally enough, we get more of the story. We find out that the actual class of angels that these were were called Watchers. And there were 200 of them. And basically we. We just get a more full version of the story, and what we find out is their judgment for this sin. The 200 Watchers, what was that? They were bound in certain parts, like underground in these. In these, like, chambers and stuff. And so what's interesting is it does give a timeline for that. But we also read parts in, in, like Revelation 9 that speaks about these four angels that are bound in Euphrates. Those are likely four of those original 200. So they actually break out a little early. It's not really a breakout. God's letting them out for his judgment, but they're allowed to come out and wreak havoc on the Earth. So that's the. That's that's Basically the, the 200 that we know of. There's other watchers, there's other fallen angels, there's other fallen principalities, you know, powers. All that stuff that Ephesians 6 talks about, Prince of Persia is one which I'm sure we'll get to because of everything going on with Iran right now.
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We have to get to that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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So in the, in the book, I, I posed the question, okay, well, we know the fate of the 200, and we know at least four of those get out a little early. What about other fallen watchers? What about other fallen angels? Is it possible some of those, some of the original 200 could also get out early? Or even if we just set that aside and say, no, they're. They're there till their judgment. What about other fallen angels and other. Other watchers? Are they influencing our world now? And so throughout the book, every chapter, I give an example saying, yes, I believe that they are. Now, it's not as in bodily form as it was, you know, in, in Genesis 6 and Enoch, but at least not yet. I believe that it's going to get to that point during the tribulation. But I also believe that we're living in what's called the birth pa. So basically we're living in a time where we're going to start seeing, and we already have, but we're going to see sort of like shadow fulfillments or examples of, of some of the prophecies that are going to happen during the tribulation. We're seeing some of those ripples now. And the Bible calls that the time of the birth pain. So, so while we're not yet seeing, I mean, there are areas where we might be seeing actual physical manifestations of, of the enemy, of these, of these watchers or fallen angels, whatever we want to call them, specifically, like an alien abduction kind of stuff. And I write a little bit about that in the book, but I think even more than that right now, because there is a restraining force that we read about in scripture as well, which is the Holy Spirit in, in Believers, I believe that's restraining the kingdom of darkness to fully be able to manifest as much as they would like to, like as much as they were able to in the Old Testament. And because of that restraining force, they kind of have to go about things in a different way. So I believe that they're inspiring human beings to do this stuff and they're teaching human beings. That was another big part of the Enoch story I left out is while these fallen Angels were on Earth mating with humans. They were also teaching humans things that they weren't supposed to know yet. They were teaching them certain technologies and stuff, like weapons of war and things like that. Well, I believe that the same thing is happening now. Humanity is being taught. This is why we've seen this huge explosion in technology and it's going nowhere good. And so, yeah, throughout the book, I give several examples of how that's manifesting in our world today.
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Wow. Very cool. I'm excited for this because your, your books are just incredible. And this is just a subject for sure that I think so many Christians are interested in. And honestly, so many people who aren't Christians are interested in this as well, because they're searching. Everyone is looking around at, at the world right now and, and seeing all of the things that are happening. Just, they're, they're not dumbfounded. People are just searching for answers and they realize something's up. Like something is, is up. And it's wild to me how I will hear that from people who would not claim any religion at all. Right. But they're very keenly aware that we're living in the last days. And I've had some of them say that to me as of recent, and that's just mind blowing to me, which is also so cool because I feel like the Lord is stirring the hearts of so many, you know, to see so many come to salvation, you know, prior to the Rapture. And of course we know it's a number or there is no number in the book of Revelation how many are going to come to the Lord during the tribulation. So it's just wild to kind of see all this stuff happening now. So with that said, let's kind of move on to question two. How would you say the watchers are returning in our time? Is it more of a bodily thing? Is it through influence? Is it a little bit of both? How would you answer that?
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Yeah, I think it's, it's a little bit of both, but it's, it's mainly the influence thing right now. So the bodily form, like I, I mentioned, I believe that the whole alien abduction deception really, that covers that. I go through a couple of examples of it in the book, but I think the, the main thing that we're seeing is, is more of an influence and, and the two kind of go hand in hand. Speaking of the UFO stuff, you know, it's, it's funny, I was just on with La Marzulli and we were talking about this, isn't it Isn't it funny that like, okay, people that believe that these things are just aliens from another planet, you know, that, that are abducting people that fly the crap that people see. So let me get this straight. We, there, there's this species of aliens or several species of aliens that have figured out the physical impossibility to even get here from their planet. I mean, they have to live far out because they have to live so far out that we can't detect them in any way. They're not, they're not on Mars or Venus, even though 50 years ago, 70 years ago they would say that. But now they're saying they're from even further out than that. They figured out how to get here, but for some reason they keep crashing on our planet. Isn't that funny? You know, you don't, you don't see crashes on the moon. You don't see. And we, we have stuff that's monitoring, you know, the moon and planets and stuff. You don't see crashes on Mars. You don't see wreckage just out in space. You know, there's, there's not. It seems like if they were that inept, for one thing, they wouldn't be able to get here, but you would see crashes all over the place. It's only on Earth. And somehow it's only in places where like, are the governments of our world have enough time to go and get it before anybody else can, I believe.
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Isn't that interesting how that works?
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B
Yeah, exactly. I, I think it's, I think it's all a ruse. I think it's done on purpose. I think that this is fallen angel technology and they're purposely crashing. They're making it look like crashes, but they're purposely giving us technology. And look what we're doing with it. I mean we've had a really, in the past couple hundred years, but maybe even shorter than that. But we have had such a tech boom. Like, if you think about like one of the here in America, one of the, one of the first real UFO crash stories was in Aurora, Texas, and it was somewhere in the either late 1800s or early 1900s. I keep forgetting. But in, in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't that long ago, but back then we're still pretty much, pretty much horse and buggy. And then look, 120 years later, maybe a little bit more. And in such a short amount of time we've gone from that rudimentary technology to sending satellites into space. What is so special about that 120 years? Why couldn't it, that 120 years. Why couldn't that have happened, say, 500 years ago? You know, why weren't there like, like the Greeks were really smart. They, they had a lot of stuff. They were even working on little models of steam engines and stuff that we found. How come they never had an industrial revolution? They absolutely could have. I believe it's part of that restraining force. There was something restraining it, but now that we're getting closer to the end times, that restraint is starting to loosen a little bit. And it. Yeah, and it was time for it. And so once that restraint loosens a little bit, well, now these things can start influencing us a little bit more. So they'll, they'll on purpose, you know, crash these, the, this amazing technology that we can learn from. And that's part of it. But I believe also just on a spiritual level, they're influencing like, a lot of these tech, these tech geniuses of our world, these tech leaders, you know, know, a lot of them do like DMT and Ayahuasca, and a lot of them are really into that. And I believe that, that almost all of them, I, I believe that that really opens up your mind and opens you up to demonic forces. And those evil forces can influence a person through that. And so that's why we're, we're getting all this technology on that side, too. So it is, it is a little bit of both. It's. It is influence in a spiritual, kind of mental sort of way, but it's also in a physical way. But again, we're in the birth pains and it's for what it's going to be like for people in the tribulation. Like, we haven't seen anything yet.
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No, for sure. And you know, I've always thought of it like Braxton Hicks versus birth pains. I've always wondered if, like, the birth pains is maybe tribulation and what we're experiencing is Braxton Hicks. Yeah, but I don't know. I'll be. Honestly, I don't know. I kind of, I kind of roll around with some of these views a lot because it's like, I used to think there was this giant gap on, on different things with the tribulation to the rapture. And now I'm starting to go, I don't know. Because we're just seeing the convergence of things, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Josh is, is insane. And I feel like every year that passes, geez, we barely just scratched the surface of March and look at what has happened since January 1st. Then we tie in, which I'm sure we'll probably talk about just a smidgen when we get to these questions about, you know, the Watchers in Iran and all of that. But we're starting that final Jubilee coming up on the 18th of March, isn't that correct?
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B
Right, Yep. That's absolutely.
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So that. That, to me, is very interesting. And then, you know, the. Even. Just the. The attack actually happened with Iran and all of that on Purim on the scene calendar. So there's just so many different things, to me, that are just kind of fascinating. So it's just this whole subject is just like. It can go so many different directions because of how much the Convergence is really happening. So with what you're talking about with the Watchers and returning, could you maybe give us an example of, like, a hybridization experiment or, you know, something like that that people are doing now or have done recently?
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. One of the main ones that most people are familiar with is the. The de. Extinction of the Dire Wolf. So it's not really a de extinction, it's a hybrid. And one of the things in the ancient text, you can find this in Enoch, Jubilees, things like that in these ancient texts. It wasn't only that fallen angels were mating with humans. There were also interbreeding species together, and they were experimenting with that. It was like Nephilim experiments. The Nephilim were doing it. Fallen angels might have been doing. Even. Even people were doing it because people, like actual human beings learned how to do it. There's stuff about that in the Book of Giants that actually gives some of. I mean, it's really fragmented, so we're missing a lot of it, but it gives some of the instructions on how to actually. How to actually do it. It's really weird.
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Oh, wow.
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B
Yeah. And.
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But do you think that's where, like, some of the Chimera things come from? And even, like, I. Okay. And I think about, like, the lion, the Witch in the Wardrobe. Do you remember what was the. The guy's name? I can't. I forgot his name. But he was, like, half goat, half man.
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Yeah, he was a Seder or something.
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Yeah.
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Like, my wife would remember his name. Mister. Mr. Tumnus.
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Yes, that's it.
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That's what it was.
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I always thought what a. What an interesting figure, you know, in that book. And so I was. You know, Lance and I have talked about that a lot. We wonder if some of these mythical. Not mythical, the. The creatures, the Cryptids, all of that come from what you're. Exactly. What you're talking about right here.
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Yeah, yeah, it's definitely possible because it lines. It just lines up too perfectly. And then people say, well, where. Where's the bones? Where's the skeletons? The flood could have had something to do with that. Or, I mean, if you find, like, a goat skull next to, like, a human person, are you really going to think they go together? So, I mean, those could have all been separated and sorted out, but the Smithsonian. Yeah, yeah, that's another. That's another big rabbit trail, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, but. So there was this hybridization thing going on, and it got so bad. God was so upset with that. Because God made things orderly. Yeah. Everything is supposed to reproduce after its own kind. You're not supposed to mix these things together and create your own thing. And so when that started to happen, it. It infected everything. And everything had this genetic. Basically this nephilim genetic component to it, except Noah and his family, which is why they were the only ones saved. But. So that's how bad that sin was. Well, look at what's happening today. So the dire wolf, it's a hybrid what based. And they used AI to do it, which is a whole other topic, but which I'm sure we'll get into, but.
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Oh, yeah.
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So the. The way that they had. They had to use AI to. In order to figure out how to do this. It's really interesting that they couldn't do it on their own, but AI taught them how. There's some influence going on there. But they took ancient direwolf DNA and they combined it with modern, various species of wolves to create this dire wolf hybrid. It's not really a dire wolf. It's. It's. I actually title it. The chapter title in my book is it's not a Dire Wolf. It's much worse. And now some. Some might say, well, that's. That's just species of canine. That's fine. You know, we. We interbreed dogs and. And we interbreed, you know, different species of cats, and that's okay. All right. Maybe we don't do it across thousands of years like that with extinct species, but maybe. But they're also trying to bring back the woolly mammoth. And so what they've done to. To do that is they've created woolly mice because they test everything with mice first. So they have created. They've taken ancient, like, woolly mammoth DNA, spliced it in with mouse DNA, and they've. They've literally created this, this species that is. That was an abomination never supposed to exist. And it's called a woolly mouse. And so, yeah, you might be able to say that with, with canine species, but you definitely can't with an elephant and a mouse. Those. Those are two completely different animals, let alone a woolly mammoth in a mouse. Yet we're splicing them them together. It's right out of Genesis 6, it's right out of Jubilees, Enoch, all this stuff. It's the sin that brought about the flood. And Josephus talks about how Adam, the original man, Adam, and had a prophecy that the Earth would be destroyed once by water, once by fire. And so we know what the water one was, that was the flood. And we know what's perpetuated that. What, what brought the world into such a terrible state that that had to be done. It was a lot of this genetic stuff and this rebellion against God. Here we are doing the same thing that. Creating the same sin, except this time, when it finally does get destroyed later on before the new heavens and new Earth, it's going to be by fire. So we're. It's like humanity, we're just bringing on our own judgment.
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100. 100. And I think it's so important, too, that you point out this part in the, you know, the biblical account and the narrative for the flood, because a lot of times, and this is why I want to mention this, because I get loads of different people that watch this channel. I have had people tell me, oh, the God of the Old Testament is such a tyrant. Look at how he destroyed humanity. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't know the whole story. You need to learn what was actually going on back in that day. Have you ever heard of Genesis 6 and what was going on and who the sons of God were. Like, this is such an important piece of the narrative. Do you understand why Joshua and Caleb were told to go destroy these cities and all of that? It was because of this same thing. It was because of the Nephilim. It was because of the genome being corrupted. It was because of the. The mixing of humanity with something else. And so I think that it's so important that this is brought up because this really helps to dispel that myth out there that the God of the Old Testament is some kind of tyrant, because he's not. He's not at all.
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B
So he was protecting his children. I mean, if you 100. If your child, like wakes up in the middle of night screaming, that There's a monster under the bed. Do you feel bad for the monster because he had to hear the screaming? You know, no. You feel bad. And of course the monster is not real, but let's just say it is. You would do anything that you can to chase that monster out of the house. That's what God was doing. He was. He was chasing away the monsters. He was getting rid of the monsters to save humanity. Those weren't humans. Those. And then actually, because the. Because this comes up too, with the whole genocide thing after the flood. Well, when you actually. Because there are times where God will tell them, okay, go into this land and kill them all. When you trace those back, it's because there was a return of the Nephilim. And there's debate on how that happened. And, you know, there's some different ideas about that. But regardless what anybody thinks about it, it did happen. The Nephilim somehow were able to return very locally. I mean, it was. It wasn't. It wasn't nearly as much as before the flood, and they weren't nearly as like. Like it. They weren't nearly as strong and big. I mean, there was still a problem that had to be taken care of and eradicated. But again, it's not that God was saying, oh, these people are pagans. Just go destroy them. Because of that, when you trace all those back, they tie back to Nephilim bloodlines after the flood. So, yeah, these were. These weren't humans. This. This was to prevent another problem that would require another flood because God said he would never flood the earth again. So. So they were able to take care of it in that manner. And it didn't. It didn't spread and destroy all of
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humanity again, 100 and well said. So talking about the hybridization that you kind of just talked about too, with the animals and stuff. And by the way, can I just say this because I'm an animal lover. I know you are, too. You. You know we have cats, right? I know you cats. I love having cat people on my channel. Can I get a name in from everybody in the comments who also loves cats? So the thing that's hard is, like, I've seen the woolly mice. They're really cute.
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B
They're cute.
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And so. Yes. And so that's the part of me that's like the animal lover that completely just tears apart my heart. Josh.
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I know. And doesn't it make sense if the enemy wants to get people on board with this, that they're gonna use something cute like that? That's what they. That's what they do. They're not going to make an ugly monster at first that nobody can relate to. They're going to make a little cute little fall of ball of orange fluff. I mean, like, I. I had like one of my first cats, like, had that same coloring and everything. So yeah, I totally get that. But this is exactly how the enemy works. They're going to make something that looks kind of cute, kind of. Kind of innocent and then. But. But it's. It's a total abomination. They. They do that to. To play on emotions, to play on feelings, because they know that we're human beings and a lot of times our emotions can override our logic. So. So I'm glad that you brought that
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up, but yeah, yeah, for sure. It's. It's definitely something, you know, that's. That hits Lance and I in the heartstrings because we are such animal lovers. We're meat eaters, but we're animal lovers at the same time. So. Okay, so the next question that kind of ties into this is does this connect in any way to the alien hybridization thing that we are seeing happen and like, where people are talking about getting abducted? Stories like Karen Wilkinson, people like that. Can you talk a little bit about that?
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And if there's a correlation, I totally believe so. So, so in, In. In Enoch and that whole thing, it says later on in Enoch that after. After the rest of the angels saw what happened to those 200 original watchers that. That were bound and punished and everything, that they were too scared to ever. They were basically too scared to ever try it again. That doesn't mean forever, you know, that that might have happened again or whatever, but with that restraining force that I was talking about before the Holy Spirit. And it's really interesting to go back and look at anc, like the writings of like, like Tatches and people like that, because basically what happens in the really early church, like the first couple hundred years, you would have a Christian that would basically come into town, and all of a sudden that town's oracle couldn't speak anymore. And. And the Christian was. Wasn't even like really doing anything. But then. So the solution was, well, we got to kill the Christians. It's like the Oracle of Deli that was bugging Paul and everybody. But. But if you notice, the oracle didn't lie. Like what the oracle was saying about, like, these are men of God, they come to bring salvation. She was, she was speaking the truth. But it was still. It was because of the presence of the. The Holy Spirit in Christians. And then finally Paul got rid of the demon and took care of that. So there's another funny story kind of like that in the writings of Lactantius, where two or three or a few Christians go to the Oracle of Apollo and they start asking it questions. And you can tell in the writing it's trying to lie, it's trying to exalt itself, but it keeps calling itself a demon, like on accident, like it can't help but to speak the truth. And so they keep pressing, and eventually it just gets to the point where it stops talking and it never talked again, according to the writings. So there's something about the Holy Spirit dwelling in believers, even if they aren't actively casting out demons, that is a detriment to the kingdom of darkness. Now, there are things that we as Christians can do that, that, you know, can mess that up. Like if we're engaged in some, you know, really horrible sin or something, that, that can pull us further from God and that. That can kind of mess that up. But, but by and large, we have this restraining force all over the world. So the kingdom of darkness can't manifest as well as they were able to before. So right now, at least in our Age of grace, I don't believe that fallen angels can impregnate a woman in the way that they could in Genesis. So they have to have a workaround if they want to do that. If they still want to do these genetic experiments. There's. There's something about them that they really feel the need and temptation to do this. There's different reasons why, but some of it is a jealousy based on us. They, they. When you look at the ancient text too, they. They see us, we can reproduce. They can't. And they're jealous about that. God explains it in Enoch or, or it might be. It might be Jubilees, but God explains it as well. Angels have immortality. They don't have the need to produce, reproduce, but mankind dies, so they need to be able to reproduce. So that's how angels and man are different. Well, the angels got jealous of that, some of them, and wanted to reproduce. There's also, you know, some of them wanted to exalt themselves above God and make something, create their own thing in their own image. But they can't create ex nihilo just out of nothing the way that God can. So they have to use what's available and just mix it up and make their own abominations. So if they still have that, that that need that temptation to do it, yet they can't physically do it the way that they used to be able to in Old Testament times, because now there's the Holy Spirit dwelling in believers, and that, that's a restraining force on the kingdom of darkness. What do you do? Well, they would go the technological route and they would pose as aliens from other planets and they would come and just abduct women and impregnate them using this technological kind of workaround. It's almost, it's almost like a loophole. I mean, they're still going to get judged for this, but it's almost like
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a loophole and like a legal loophole that exists right now. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.
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Yeah. So I believe that that's, I believe that that's what's going on with the whole alien abduction hybridization program. All the while they're telling, they're telling people, well, our planet is all messed up, you know, we can't reproduce anymore because we did something to mess ourselves up. So we, so in order to reproduce, we have to, we have to hybridize with you. That makes no sense. Because if they have the ability, if they can't match, like, if these were just aliens, let's take them for their word for a second and, like, think about this logically. If they, if they, if they can't physically just naturally reproduce the way nature intended, but they can hybrid, Hybridize with us, why can't they reproduce technologically with each other? Like, why wouldn't they be able to do that? Because there's, they have to create artificial wombs in order to do that with humans. Like, so there's, there's a lot. They're obviously lying. There's a lot more to that story. But it's, it's just insane how, how so many people will believe it just on face value. And it's like, if you think about some of their claims critically, not even, I mean, just, just give it a second thought. Like, just because it's an alien doesn't mean you need to trust it. Like, treat it like it were just any other person that could lie to you. Like, why would you believe, why would you believe it? But so many people want to. They, they. We all have a need for something higher than ourselves that, and that should be filled by God. But a lot of people don't want God because God's going to hold you accountable. You, you can't just live your life however you want. A lot of people don't want that accountability. So aliens, they don't care how I live my life. They, they don't care what I do. They're higher than me, so they, they go the alien route. There's so many people caught in that deception. And I, I fully believe that that is the strong delusion that the Bible talks about that God sends in the last days. I think we're seeing again the, the birth pangs of the Braxton Hicks, or, you know, however we want to phrase it. I believe that we're seeing that start now, but it's going to get even more prevalent and way worse in the tribulation.