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The Dark Side of Bible Prophecy Q&A | Gary Stearman, Tom Horn & L.A. Marzulli
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A
Can anybody tell me why we're here? Oh, yeah, I know why we're here. This is a Q and A. And I am privileged to have two gentlemen on my right, Elie Marzulli and Tom Horn, who are flat out on the cutting edge of the study of Bible prophecy. And they have walked out toward the edge where other people sometimes are afraid to walk. And being where I am and having written on Bible prophecy now for, I guess, decades, which kind of makes me older than I want to be, but having done this, I know the hazards of pushing the edge limits in the study of Bible prophecy. And yet, L. A and Tom, you guys know that we're there and you see things. The Lord leads you into certain interpretations of scripture and you go there and that often takes you to places like Mount Graham, like Peru, and you come back with things which are often criticized. Hey, these guys have gone off the tracks. They've gone too far. Well, I'm pleased to have Tom in LA here, and I'd like a little statement about your view of the cutting edge of Bible prophecy. We could start with you, Tom. We could go to la. Let's talk about where we are now for three, four minutes, and then we'll take questions.
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B
Well, it's hardly. You hardly know where to start. I mean, you could look in any direction. Earlier this week, people talking about there was going to be a day of rage. But remember, we prayed. Day of rage pretty much flopped, which tells you the power of prayer. But I was thinking about this L. A, you and I and Gary and Chris, who hopefully will make it here. So I'll have something intelligent to say. You know, we always talk about Matthew 24:37, the days of Noah, Right. And we tend to focus a lot on the subject of the Nephilim and the Watchers and what was going on. But actually, if you go to Genesis 6 and Genesis 11 and you read those texts, something else there that is very, very important and is very prophetic, is that God wiped that generation out because he said they had filled the earth with violence. Right? And so when you look at what's going on around the world today, how prophetic is that text that we would return to a time like the days of Noah where God judged them because they had filled the earth with violence. In addition to that, I was thinking about the red horse rider, and what does it say? He's given power to take peace from the earth so that people will begin killing each other. So look at this spirit that is pressing now to try to come through into the world, right. And how it matches up with these ancient prophecies. The world scoffs The Bible was written by a bunch of old guys. And yet you really cannot look in any direction what's happening in the Middle east, what's happening here in America, what's happening in biotechnology. You really can't look at it and not.
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A
And may I interrupt? You are at the cutting edge of bringing the news about biotechnology to the people and biotechnology. Biology deals with genetics, it deals with hybridization, it deals with making a God designed human being into something God never intended. And you're talking about these things. And there are people out there who are saying, is this really happening? Is it really happening, Tom?
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B
Well, it really is happening. Look here. In fact, I introduced Carl Teichrib. Did any of you get to hear his presentation earlier? And now you know why I love this guy. Right. And yet God's given him a wonderful opportunity. Well, actually, a little bit. Me too. I've become friends with guys like James Hughes, which runs the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. He's the guy, if you see the documentary that says, I think Tom Horn. He says a lot of smart stuff or whatever, but I'm pretty sure he's crazy. Totally a secular individual. He does not believe in one thing in the Bible, he mocks it. And yet God has given us an opportunity. These guys have invited us into their conferences to talk about God. What is your worldview? Why do you believe what you believe? And so we're fishers of men, aren't we? Yeah. And so if they'll open the door and let us come in, you bet we're going to go in and preach Jesus and him crucified. And Carl's doing that. But when I introduced Carl, I said, I bet you didn't know I had one of these, right? An implantable microchip. Hey, Gary, you want to be implanted on live tv?
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C
No, thanks.
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A
I decline.
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B
What's really funny is because, you know, it's just technology. We chip dogs, we chip animals. But we know where this is going. And that's the point, is that the Antichrist is going to take advantage of a lot of technology. And yet again, the prophets foresaw that. How could they say charaks he is going to cause to be stuck down into right? Everything great and small, free and bond, no man will buy or sell Save he that hath received the mark. Is it going to happen this way? I don't know. But again, it's this push when you have a vice admiral with other officers of the Navy meeting with Zoltan Istvan a few months ago, talking about how all Americans at some point in the future will be microchipped. So the government, I mean, these are high ranking officers. What do they know about the conversations going on behind the veil? Right. Why would they be talking about this kind of stuff? So, but until. How would you trans. What is your position, by the way? I'm going to put you on a spot.
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A
Uh oh.
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B
He that restraineth will restrain until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
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A
Well, you know, the restraining force is something that very few people think about, and that is the force of the Holy Spirit spread around the planet since Jesus came and was resurrected and went back to heaven. From that time forward, the church has been the most active restrainer on planet Earth. And the Holy Spirit, I think covers this earth in, for want of a better term, something like an energy shield. If you were talking in sci fi terms, there's a famous story about Paramahansa Yogananda, a yogi back in the 1930s who traveled to the United States to put on shows and show people his divine powers. He was a total flop. He landed at New York City, toured America, was never able to perform any miracles in India. He performed thousands of miracles. He came here and he was not able to perform a single miracle. He got on a ship, San Francisco, headed back, back to India. When he got back, people said, well, why couldn't you perform in America? And he said, there's a cloud and a mist over America that kept me from doing what I normally do. Well, that cloud and that mist is a divine energy shield. Holy Spirit, never underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit.
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B
And so the point is that he's pushing, he's pushing to come through. But are we now at a point where America is going to abandon our Christian moorings? We certainly seem that we are.
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A
But at this conference, I don't know what to say. But the Holy Spirit is here. And I'm not saying that the end is yet.
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B
Me too.
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A
Amen. Each of us has something in our heart that we're going to take back to our respective communities. I've never seen that kind of. I mean, and we've done a lot of conferences. This one is the most exciting I've ever attended. There's something here, there's something going on, and I think it's very timely. Now, speaking of timely, the days of Noah, you know, we've gone from the little wooden boats that you buy in a Christian bookstore that has all the little creatures and things on it. And that's Noah's Ark and it's a cute toy. But the whole story of Noah's Ark is much more arch and dark than that, isn't it, L. A?
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C
Well, it is. These are the days of chaos. And what's interesting is Jesus warns us, I mean of all the things he could warn us about, he points back to the days of Noah. It would be like the days like similar to the days of Noah when I return. And that's a huge heads up. It's like a flare, a cosmic flare going up and saying, hey, look over here. And he knows that everyone that hears that, at least in his time, knew exactly what he was talking about because it was taught. But in modernity it's not taught and it's been obfuscated, it's been hidden, it's been sort of swept away. We could get into a three hour conversation with that, with Augustine, what happened in the third or fourth century. But the bottom line is this, something is already here. I had a conversation with a gentleman this morning. I have it on my cell phone, just the audio. He can't come on because of security clearances. I'll just tell you what he told me. He was at a meeting with a couple of people. This guy has a top security clearance, which is why he can't come on the record. And we'll disguise his voice. And the brother in law of the guy he was talking to confided in this guy and said, I'm not making this up, that this, he is working present day with extraterrestrials in underground military bases. I also interviewed another guy when I was in Florida, ex military, said exactly the same thing. But they're not aliens. They're not aliens. This is fallen angels which are disguising themselves as such. There is a dark agenda. There is, it is pushing things forward. Just look at the chaos, the days of chaos that we're in. It's orchestrated. There is a dark supernatural power that's behind this entire agenda and it's pushing it forward. And because it was, first of all, it's been prophesied. Are we in the time of Jacob's trouble? No, not yet. But this is what cracks me up. And it's right there in biblical prophecy. These are the birth pangs. And what are they going to do? They're going to get more and more severe as time goes on and they're going to give birth to What? The Tribulation with all of its absolute, utter chaos. And there was a guy last night who sat down at our table and wanted to argue about the Rapture. And I just looked him and said, believe what you want to believe, man. You know, I'm out of here, okay? I'm out of here. You want to stay here, that's good for you. Tough it out, man, in your bunker with your AK, you know, but I'm. I'm not doing that, LA.
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A
If I could interrupt the Rapture. The Rapture takes away this restraining force that we were talking about a minute ago. And 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, which is called the Golden Passage, which I believe it is. I think 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is maybe the most gorgeous, interwoven, amazing study in the whole Bible, and it deals with the relationship between the Holy Spirit and the world and the unveiling of the Evil One in the last days. But it suggests very strongly that this man cannot be unveiled until the church is gone, because the church is the restrainer, through which flows the Holy Spirit. I think we underestimate ourselves in a sense. Have you ever had the experience of praying and maybe getting up and walking and saying, you know, I'm not sure. The Lord heard me, feel like he heard my prayer. And I've been praying about something for a long time, and it's just not changing. I'm not getting an answer. And do you ever have that experience? Sure, everybody does. But the fact is we are being heard, and we must believe that we are being heard. And that's why we're gathering, we're here to mutually lift up one another and to reassure one another that we are acting in the spirit. He is here. He is powerful. You may not necessarily get each and every single prayer answered at the moment that you want it answered, but he's here, he's working.
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B
Bob, I'm the least qualified expert on this board, which is why I'm leaving. I brought some of the questions that these guys have not seen yet. So I'm going to give them to them and put them on the spot.
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D
And.
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B
And if you two don't know the answer, I know he does.
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A
A Q and A. And these questions, by the way, were gathered.
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C
Elder brother Gary's.
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A
Yeah, I don't know how that got started, but Gary's.
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B
The whole stack.
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A
I interrupted L a minute ago, and LA was in the middle of talking about this paradigm shift that we're in. I think people are becoming aware of it. The reality is that the fallen Ones now are walking among us again. And I take a chance even saying that, but they are right.
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C
Look, I had an email from a pastor, was driving a car. 2:30 in the morning, I don't know, 3:30, 2:30, 3:30 in the morning. He looks over at the lawn of the Mormon church and there are three boys that are there. One boy is apart. I think I said this in one of the presentations. And the kid's looking at him like
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B
this, except the kids got black eyes.
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C
And he was hit viscerally. He talks about it viscerally with just this absolute feeling of evil. And he began to rebuke it. Another pastor, and I know this guy, I've been to his church. He had a man show up that would not come into the church. Very tall black man, okay, Very tall black man, well dressed, wasn't homeless, didn't smell like alcohol. He kept trying to touch him, but he wouldn't. The pastor would not come out of the doorstep of the church. What do you want? And they're dialoguing and he says, you know, I know scripture really well. And he begins to quote all the scripture to the pastor. And the Holy Spirit tells the pastor, even the devil knows scripture like this. And he keeps trying to touch him. Well, come on out. Can I touch you? He's asking permission. Finally he reaches over and he touches him. And the moment he touches them, he feels something go into him. And then he says something which is absolutely chilling. He says, get this. I roam, I roam from San Diego to Los Angeles and I have to see about a matter in a church. And that's where I'm headed, to Los Angeles. And then the man disappears. We get a frantic call from the pastor around 9:30, 10 o'.
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Clock.
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C
We pray and we rebuke this thing because it's obviously the evil one. 24 hours later, same pastor doing a prayer walk around the church, which he needed to do, clear the air. Spiritual warfare, just praying the blood of the Lamb over the whole deal, right? Symbolically, literally. And they turn a corner. I know exactly, I've been to the church, I know exactly where this thing is. There's a nine foot wall. It's actually eight and a half feet, but a nine foot wall, okay, eight and a half foot wall. And perched on the top of the eight and a half foot wall and that's, you know, a tall, right is this kid and he's hunched over and his legs are up and he's perched there and his face comes down to a point and the pastor is with an elder. And the elder goes, that kid doesn't look right. And the moment he says that, the kid jumps off the wall, lands in front of the pastor and the elder. The kid's got solid black eyes, solid black eyes. And the kid bolts up the stairs. They run up after him, but the time they get there and it's a blind alley, the Alley goes about 60, 80ft to this next street over. Kid's gone. So we keep hearing more and more and more of this. And what I feel is that this is why it's so important for Christians to put on the armor of God daily and know what, where you know, where our shield is, know where our righteousness come. We're putting on Jesus. And it's so important because I honestly feel before we get taken out of here, we're going to see more and more and more of this. It's going to be because the enemy's growing bold. Let's face it, Just look around. Look. Look at Isis, for crying out loud. And it's. And it's. I'll close with this. Things are ramping up where we can't keep up with them anymore. You know, you get. You get the Bataclan, you get San Bernardino, you get, you know, the Orlando shooting. You get what happens in Nice and then what happens in Turkey, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's just. It's unprecedented times that we're living. Tumultuous, unprecedented, you know, unparalleled times, in my opinion.
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B
Hey, Lynn, I want to add on to that.
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C
You just gave it away. It's okay. It's the boy named Sue. All right, okay, you go to second grade. Is Lynn there? And then you get this and you raise your hand and the whole class arrives.
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A
All right?
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C
That's why I don't go by Lynn. My name is Lynn Anthony Mar. I go by L. A now, you know, and if you say anything, I'll hunt you down like the dogs you are.
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A
Okay, Tom.
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C
I've even practiced my yum. Oh, my. Yo.
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A
And what were you going to ask, Tom?
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B
Oh, no, I was going to add on to your story since you humbled me in front of everybody.
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C
Please forgive me. Please forgive me.
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B
Tomorrow I was even going to invite you to the ranch, but forget it. No, A legal question about demonic rights to properties and stuff comes up with some of this stuff because one of the most brilliant men I ever knew, especially when I was young in ministry and before I had met Gary Stearman and Lynn Marzulli.
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C
Okay, exit stage right here. I
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B
Was la la la la la. Doctor Bob Cornwall. I won't go into this big, long story about him. He's one of the smartest people I'd ever known. I was very privileged to be a young minister in his church, but I remember. And he was not the kind of a guy that was given to storytelling or anything like that. He was a very careful individual, was really well known to be a good scholar. But he was talking about the first church he had ever pastored. It was a little coastal town in Oregon, right? And he said all kind of crazy stuff was happening in that church. Lights go off and on all by themselves. They'd come in the next morning, their desks were all moved around like it had been broke into, but all the doors would be locked. And the chief of police was a member of his church. And one night he calls him and he says, bob, he says, you need to get down to your church and stop the youth party or whatever you got going on, because the neighbors are complaining. And he said, there's nothing going on at the church. So he said, the officer comes by, picks him up. They go down there, the lights are literally going off, on, off, on, off, on, off, on. And the piano is banging, like somebody's trying to tear it up, right? Scares him. He says he goes up to the door. The officer draws his weapon, right? They unlock the door. When they push the door open, it stopped. They went through the entire building. There's nobody in the building. There's no doors unlocked. There's nobody playing with the piano. He said it was funny, too, because he said the cop turned around to say something to him and he was gone. He said the cop found him out sitting in the back of the cop car, down like this, inside the cop car. But so a little bit of time passes, and, you know, two, three months later, this cop calls him and he says, bob, he says, I got something I want to show you. He'd come across this accidentally. It was the old original paperwork that had been filed with the county and whatever when they built the building and when they wrote the description around the building, because what had happened was the Assemblies of God had gone in. This building had been closed for, like, 20 years or something. They bought the land. They bought the building and remodeled it. You know how the AG will do, turn it into a little church, right? The original legal language around this building said that it had been dedicated, Dedicated to wandering spirits of Lucifer as they move to and fro upon the face of the earth. Well, that raised this question in his Mind then that he had never thought about before. And that is, do dark spirits sometimes have legal claim to properties and locations where people. And by the way, any one of us could do this. If you're constantly doing things you should not be doing in secrecy, you could be opening a doorway, opening a gateway, giving something legal, right? Like squatters rights, right? The permission to come in and to slowly begin taking over space and territory, right?
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C
Absolutely.
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It's like when Jesus goes into Gadara, right? And the wild men come running up out of the tombs and what do they say? What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou son of the Most High God? And some scholars say they are implying territorial dominion over this. Why are you here? You're not supposed to be here. This is ours. You go back over there, right? But thankfully, any place Jesus put his feet became sacred ground, right?
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C
Amen.
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B
So that too is true for us. But it did open this question. So you were telling a story a moment ago about this, about how spirits can get legal claim. Now, does that mean then is as a nation, you were talking earlier about the cloud of the Holy Spirit in this. What did you say? Kehwato. What was his name?
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Oh, Paramahansi Yogananda.
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Paramahansa Yogananda. That guy, he couldn't do his magic here, but he could do it in India where it was dominated by these dark forces. But now. So if the presence of Christianity created a place where it was conducive, the environment was conducive to the preaching of the gospel, to sending missionaries around the world, right? Are we now facing the opposite of that? The more and more that we turn away from God, the more and more that we allow our elected officials to tell us that our rights are going to be restricted, that you're going to accept a certain agenda, that you're not only going to accept it, you're going to take curriculum and you're going to teach it in your Bible colleges and whatever. Will we start opening doorways for an invasion of darkness into our country? These are things we should be very concerned about.
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C
Let me just say one thing and add to that great point. You'll notice that the tall black man could not enter in the church. Legal right. He kept trying to draw him out. Legal right. But what we get this is tag teaming on what Tom was just saying. We are at the point with every super bowl, every single super bowl is an occult spectacle right in our faces. I mean, there's no subtlety here. I mean, the Madonna thing with, you know, all the symbols and the Illuminati symbols. I mean, it was an Illuminati Go Go fest. I mean, that's what it was. And it's every single year. And this is. You know, this is the apex of our culture, right? The Super Bowl. I mean, just like, you know, Right. This is. This is what we've. This is what we are as a culture. The super bowl. And even, you know, Katy Perry and even. Even this year with Coldplay, all sorts of hand signs, Illuminati stuff. The. The all seeing eye was all there. More subtle than Madonna and everybody else, but still there. And, you know, Lady Gaga's up there, and the first thing she does is this. And I'm gonna do this on camera. I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna wind up on YouTube. The only Marsloulie doing the Baphomet hand sign. I already know it, but I'm going to do it. Okay. So. All right. Maybe I won't do it. Yeah, I will.
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A
There you go.
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C
Thank you. But Lady Gaga is sitting there doing the Baphomet hand sign. Why is she doing that? Because she's honoring the God of this world. She's sold out to the God of this world, in my opinion. And it's blatant. They're not trying to hide anything. It's in your face. It's the time of the fallen. And this is why the churches. Unfortunately, for the most part, you know, not every church, but for the most part, they want to. Well, it's just too controversial. You know, we don't want to address these things because it's too. We don't want to scare anybody, so we don't scare anybody. So the church, the people are never warned. And that's why all you guys are here, right? Amen.
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B
All right. Except that when your picture goes up online making that hand signal that says Lynn Marzulli, nobody will know who that is.
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C
That's true.
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B
And I won't send you.
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C
Thank you, Tom. Thank you.
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Right.
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Oh, but to finish my story. So Dr. Cornwall gets together with his board, and they decide to tear that church down. They tore it down. They poured an asphalt parking lot over the top of it. They got all the church. The Christians in the community came out and anointed the parking lot with oil. They built a brand new church across the road, and nothing ever happened again. Right? Amen.
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C
They took authority.
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B
They took authority. Right?
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D
Amen.
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A
Now, I have a question here. It happened to be the first card in the stack that Bob brought in, and it really kind of Fits here. And here's the question. What is our Apostle Paul's quote, unquote, knowledge in the mystery of Christ, which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, which was revealed in me, that is in Paul first. And he quotes from Ephesians 3. And in this passage, the word mystery is used four different times. This idea of the Church as a mystery, and this is something that I think is overlooked a lot. And it's very, very pertinent to our discussion because a mystery is something that is a mystery. People on the outside of the body of Christ scratch their heads and they what are these people doing? They just cannot figure it out. Here's the other side of the story. People within the body of Christ often do not understand the mysteries. And I'm going to make a statement here. The word mystery is used in the New Testament 22 times. It's used in the plural five times. If you add that up, it's 27 times. There are 22 letters in the Hebrew Alphabet, plus the five final forms called sofit forms. And it's very interesting that God works by systems. And sometimes you should try studying the mystery. The 22 times that the word mystery is used in the New Testament. I say this because what you two are talking about is this mystery. We are lifting the curtain just a little bit. In our age, we have been given the ability through the Holy Spirit to understand the mysteries which in other ages were not known unto men, given unto men to know. So this is where we are right now. We're beginning to really not just understand, but to see the mysteries in action. The mystery of the power of the Holy Spirit in particular, and the power of the Holy spirit works in 22 different ways. And you say, wow, that's interesting. And I wish I had, like, another hour to talk about it. But the point is, we're part of this divine mystery and we need to see ourselves in that light. And I think I'll stop right there. Any response to that?
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B
Well, I would. And then I'll let la.
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D
Thank you.
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A
That's good. I like it.
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B
I caught myself, right? Yeah. I can be taught.
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A
You mean YB I call him yb.
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It's kind of like an orangutan. Repetitive motion. And you feed them once in a while. They can learn little things.
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I call him Y.B.
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B
do you think, Gary, that also. And I love this in Scripture, that where darkness abounds. So as darkness tries to come in, light so much more abounds, so that the mysteries become more evident. To true believers, to those who are truly trying to follow God. You notice that like with the New Testament Church, the more they persecuted them, the more they spread the gospel, the more it abounded, the more people wanted to be part of it. Right? That's right. It was way better for them during the time of Constantine or whatever to say, we're never going to stamp them out. It's better if we just join them and Christianize our paganism and then that. Yeah, but do you think, though, that, Gary, that this would also imply then. Because, see, I happen to believe, and it sounds like a contradiction. I happen to believe that we also are on the cusp of potentially the greatest spiritual awakening in the history of humanity.
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I agree.
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And that sounds like I'm contradicting myself when I'm talking about all this. You know, the negative signs of the times and the darkness. Any response? I mean, so do the mysteries become more evident to us then, as darkness tends to crouch?
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I think so. I think that as the darkness increases, so does the light. And this is what I have been trying to do for years in my writing. And I know all of us are involved in trying to lift the curtain on the mysteries just a little bit to give people insight into what's going on right now. And it's sort of risky business. You know, you're walking out on the edge. And that's what we do at these prophecy conferences. A lot of mainline denominational churches would look at what we're doing here and just say, whoa, these people have lost it. But we haven't. We're being led of the Holy Spirit. We're being given an understanding of the mysteries, the divine mysteries that are spelled out in the Bible. Any chance this question, any chance you could ask if there are any local pastors here for those of us in Colorado Springs who are looking for a good church? I don't. Any local pastors here. Okay. Well, I didn't really expect there to be, but that was. That's a. Legitimate question. Nevertheless, nothing against Colorado Springs, by the way. I used to attend the Uinta Bible Church in Colorado. Anybody know about that church in Colorado Springs. Wonderful place to go. Question. And we're going to lapse here into the rapture. In defense of the pre trib rapture position, what do you say about the trumpets? Is the last trumpet, the seventh trumpet, meaning that the church is going to go through the tribulation until the seventh trumpet sounds?
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C
Yeah. What amazes me about all this is that the bickering, the infighting, you know, how Many people that are unsaved, and I'll get to the answer in a second, they have no idea what the Rapture even is. They're not interested in that. They're just interested in getting healed, you know, saved, healed and delivered. And that. That's our. That is the prime directive. That's what we're supposed to be doing, destroying the works of the devil. So the whole Rapture thing is my blessed hope. I know it's your blessed hope. It's our blessed hope. That's. You know, we want to go. I firmly believe that we are not here during the Tribulation. I have always believed that. And I'll just tell you, you know, I had the white horse vision. I told you guys that last night. I've been taken twice. The second time was I was getting ready to go into a shower. So don't look at the visual there. Okay? And I'm taken in the body or out of the body. I don't know. I'm here for three seconds. You can't make this stuff up. Second one. And some of it is weird. Some of it is, like, erased. What was I wearing? I can't tell you what I was wearing. I was wearing something. What was everybody wearing? I don't know. That part's gone. But I can tell you this. I was there for three seconds. The first second, we're not all crammed in like this, like sardines.
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A
Hey, where are we?
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B
Tom? I guess we're actually.
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C
Okay, great. This is one. We're not. It's not like that. We're like 10, 5, 20ft apart, but we're all looking in the same direction. And as far as the eye can see. Second one, second, two. There's a holy reverential silence over the entire scene. No one's going, hey, Charlie, what the heck just happened? It's not that way at all. It's not that way. Holy reverential silence that permeates the scene. Three seconds goes by real quick. One, two, three, back. Third second. And I remember I did this. I went just like that. My sin nature was gone. You can't make that up. My sin. I just went because I knew it. My sin nature was gone. It was out. I was translated in a twinkling of an eye. People go, well, when was that? L. A, you know, when did it happen? I have no idea. But I firmly believe we have not been appointed to Wrath. And I believe, as Paul says, behold, I show you a mystery. We shall not all die. And you know, the archangel will descend with A trumpet. That trumpet blasted. Up we go. And that's before any of the tribulations, before the judgments thing. We are the bride of Christ. You know, Bob Ulrich always talks about the bloody bride, so. And you know something? It's getting to the point and I wrote this on my blog. The only way out of this mess is up.
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A
All right, Tom.
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B
Well, first of all, are we going to be allowed to say heck in heaven?
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C
I hope so.
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B
I'm not sure how picky it is, you know, and at one time I had 88 reasons why the rapture would take place in 1988.
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A
That's right.
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And that didn't work out either.
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A
And may I say something? I'm glad you, Edgar Whisinant back in 1988 published a famous little book, 88 Reasons why the Lord is Going to Return in 1988. I'm not sure that's the exact title, but close enough. And the Lord didn't return for the church in 1988. Starting two years later in 1990, 1991, 1992, a whole raft of books came out on the subject of the pre wrath rapture of the church. In other words, oops, he didn't come in 1992. So along came some tail ender explanations as to why we didn't go in 1988. And the common explanation came to be the mid trib or pre wrath positions explaining why we were getting ahead of our headlights. Cool your jets folks. You're going to go at least halfway through the tribulation. So stop putting out these little books with reasons why Jesus is coming this year. And so there was a counter reaction to 88 reasons. And I've seen the counter reaction extending all the way up to today. But I want to say something about that. There is a sentence in The Bible, John 5:22 is to me one of the most important sentences in the entire scripture. Jesus is talking to the Pharisees and he. He just absolutely lays them to waste. I mean they're coming, they're challenging him. It's one of the great conversations in the Bible. And at one point Jesus says to them, for the Father judgeth no man. Get that? He says, listen to me, you Pharisees and Sadducees. The Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. Think about the monumental import of that sentence. God the Father is not the judge. Jesus is the judge. Well guess what? Jesus is my Savior and my Lord and I mean he's my friend. I'm in the same family as him, he's the Son of God. I'm in the family of God through Christ. In other words, by grace through faith. Am at the same, if you will, level of forgiveness and of oneness with the Lord as he is. Therefore, if he's the judge judging, how in the world is he going to judge me? I'm in the same family with him. Why is he going to judge his own family? Well, he's not. So what happens? You go to Revelation and the Lamb comes forward to open the scroll, the seven sealed scroll. What is the seven sealed scroll? It's a sealed indictment. A lot of people have called it the title deed to planet Earth. It's not. It's an indictment which is sealed. We have these in courts in this world. All over the world, there are sealed indictments. In order for those indictments to be open, a judge has to be present. Certain legal authorities have to be present, Certain parties are witnesses. And once everybody is together and the moment is right, the judge says, okay, open the sealed indictment. That's exactly what's happening in Revelation, chapter 5. In heaven, the Lamb comes forward to open the scroll. He's the only one eligible to do it. It's a sealed indictment against planet Earth. He's the judge, and he's the only one who can open the sealed indictment. Well, where am I when he's opening the sealed indictment? There's an angel which has shouted through the heavens, through the earth, under the earth, saying, is any man eligible to open this scroll? And it was all silent until the Lamb stepped forward. And we're all going to be watching that when it happens, it's going to be live and in color, and we're going to be there at that opening because the rapture has taken place before the seven sealed scroll has been opened, that we're going to participate in the judgment of planet Earth. And it's going to be a humbling, humbling event. It's not going to be something that I will really want to see, the horrors that will unfold when that scroll is open. But I'm going to be with my Lord in heaven, and I'm going to be personal, just like those saints seated around the throne of God, 24 saints called elders. They're going to be watching. They're going to be. The mood is going to be somber, and there's going to be an auspicious moment in time and space. And that document is going to be open. We're all going to be watching as it's opened from seats in the heavens. Not on earth. And that's all that I need to say about that.
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Well, in that beautiful picture of him being the judge and opening the scroll, remember where? I'll have to remember. It's Paul. And I think now I'm going to get myself in trouble trying to quote the Scripture. But he says having taken the handwriting of ordinances, which was against us. Yeah, that's a legal term. I mean, in his day, everybody would have known exactly what he was talking about. Somebody gets locked up, they go into the jailhouse, they take the ordinances, they nail them up on the wall. Right. And those are the indictments you're going to have to face. When you stand in front of the judge, it says that Jesus took those off the wall and nailed them to the cross, Right?
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A
Amen.
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Yeah. So that now you can say, to be accounted worthy to escape all those things that will come upon the world, to try everybody that's on the face of the earth. Well, if you're escaping all these things that are coming upon the world to try everybody that's on the face of the earth, where are you?
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And all of this takes the conversation out of the realm of trumpets. And will we be there at this trumpet or that trumpet, and this trumpet, which is what trumpet and which one designates what is even. Enter the picture. The picture is global celestial jurisprudence in action. And we're all waiting for it. That day of judgment, which, thank God, does not apply to me because he's taken my sins.
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C
Amen.
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A
All right, gentlemen, where are we? It is 1041. Moving along quickly. Anything that you. Before I look at the next question, L. A. Is there anything you regret? I'm going to ask you. This question just came right off. Anything that you wish you had said that you haven't said that maybe. And for you, it's like you got up there and tell it all. But is there something in your mind that really needs to be spoken? And you from time to time just say, I wish I had said it this way.
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C
You know what? Every presentation is different. There are no notes. There's just pictures. And I honestly feel it's spirit led. The humor is certainly spirit led. I can't remember what. The jokes. The jokes just come from him. The little limitations and all that. I mean, it just comes. Each presentation is different. I don't look back at it. I don't, like, critique it. I never look at myself, well, I should do that. I just don't. It's just I always feel like it's spirit led. And the day it Stops being spirit led is the day I'll step down. So there's no regrets.
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B
Well, I would probably echo most of that, except every time I speak and,
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A
you know, I got.
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B
I know that I'm a pretty good speaker because every time I shut up and sit down, people say, that's the best thing I ever did. Especially opening this session, because I, too, I'm like him. I'm very extemporaneous. I mean, I want to know the subject matter forward and backward, but I really. I can't read a sermon or I never could do that when I was pastoring, so I just kind of go up and explode or something to minimize the level of damage along the way. But I have to say, this time with the opener, if I could have caught myself and stopped the Yoda.
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C
Oh, that was great.
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B
That was great that I would have stopped. I do regret that. Hopefully that's not on any of the. It is.
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C
I posted it last night.
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And, you know, I'm looking at some of these. I think we have covered all the major questions. We've touched on the rapture, we've touched upon the mysteries we've touched upon. Ah, you have some more. Well, let's look at this. Whoa. This is an interesting question. I don't know whether I should read this. Well, I guess I will. Is there. This is right at you, L. A. Is there any evidence of female giants? Would this not be necessary to have giants in our current age?
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C
You know, I have labored over that question literally for years, and there's no mention of female giants that I'm aware of in scripture, but it does say the son of the giant. It says that or the offspring of the giants. Well, how does that work? And I don't know how that works. I mean, I really don't know how that works. When we show clips of the shooter with the Afghan giant, Steve Quayle first broke the story. Shooter came to us and, you know, we gave Steve all the kudos and the round of applause because, I mean, he's the guy that. That broke the story. We just, you know, kind of wrote it under his coattails with the shooter and the third witness, Essentially, one of the questions I had was, how old is this thing? Number one? Number two, can it reproduce or is it like a mule? You know, we just don't know.
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B
There's.
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C
Every time we get into this stuff, it raises more questions then it answers. My gut feeling is, is that these guys are. Maybe they're like mules. Maybe they're sterile. But then that means well then how do they reproduce? And that also that passage in Scripture is, you know, the offspring of the giant. Well, what the heck is that? Because the giant, in my opinion, the Nephilim are the offspring of the fallen angels and the woman of earth cohabiting together. That's what it is, and I'm a firm believer. Second, third, ongoing incursions until the present day with the ongoing abduction scenario which we've covered in our Watches series, which in my opinion is absolutely real. It's not delusion, it's real. I mean, you know, eggs are being harvested, sperm is being taken. We hear it over and over and over again. And people have had encounters with hybrids. Let me just give you one quick hybrid story and then I'll move on because I know we're almost out of time. Real quick. Another pastor spoke at this guy's church. He's doing a prayer walk. On a beautiful June Saturday morning, he's doing a prayer walk, praying for people, praying for revival, praying for people in his church, congregation, the whole deal, what pastors do. In the distance he sees a very tall, athletic female jogger. Nothing weird about that. She's like 6, 3, 6, 4, very tall female basketball player, striking blondish white hair pulled back in a ponytail. And she's jogging. He immediately feels uneasy. He's not sure why. As she gets closer, they make eye contact. She has pale blue eyes. Again, nothing. But he's at this point, he's like, he doesn't feel right. He feels very uneasy. As she gets within 10ft, the eyes shift and go black. He immediately open openly because this guy's really in tune with spiritual warfare. Begins to rebuke her out loud, rebuke her in the name of Jesus, out loud. Taking authority over it. As she runs by him, she bares her teeth and growls. Now is that a hybrid? I don't know. I mean, I only have so much information. I mean, I don't know what it was. A demonic manifestation, a hybrid being, you know, a modern day Nephilim, we don't know. But this stuff is manifesting and it should make us really put on our armor and be on guard.
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B
One other thing I'd add to that is of course in the book of Genesis we learn, it says that these angels saw the daughters of men, right? So these were not Nephilim women. These were the daughters of men. And they took them all, which they would. The whole emphasis there is they just, they raped them, they took them. Like you said, one day they didn't skip down the aisle in A wedding dress, right? And then these things that were. Were born from them. Their genetic makeup is different than ours. We even know, like, in human genetics, gigantism exists. There are people like Andre the Giant, There are people who are born, and there's something a little bit different in their genetics that would make them grow to be much taller. You know, we did the research last year in the four Corners, and part of what we have not yet made public is that in the Chaco Canyon, they're still doing. They have an active. Right now. They're doing this at the university level. And you and I got to go there and see if we can get pictures of this. But it's from their university website. They've got a description in there about what they're excavating. And they were surprised and that during the excavations they came across what they call two giant Anasazi. One of them is a woman, one of them is a man. They're almost seven feet tall. But that's not the whole part of it. They have six fingers and six toes.
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C
There it is.
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B
And that's not the olive. They have distorted mandibles with complete rolls of teeth behind the front part of their teeth. And their teeth are sharp like a wild animal. And this is an excavation that's going on right now. It's actually on their university webpage. So we've got to get there to get pictures.
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L. A is already thinking about.
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C
Listen, I gotta leave right now.
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B
But, brother, don't do to me what many have done to you, where you slipped the lip, said something, they raced around you and tried to steal your. Let's do it together.
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C
I'd love to. It'd be an honor. Are you kidding me?
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B
But here's the thing, because that goes to their legend. What happened to the Anasazi? Why were they building Cliff? What in the world were they building these incredible defenses against? And then their own stories. The world hasn't seen this yet, and we're going to make it public. But I said in a traditional Hogan with Dr. Don Mose, who is. He's. He's one of the authors of the books I use at the educational level in the Navajo Nation. He's a third generation medicine man and he gave us a very rare interview. And he told us exactly. He's telling us like the traditional story. What happened to the Anasazi? Where'd they go? Well, there was a drought, and so they went away. And this is what the tradition is, right? Or what the school states. And I said, well, there's Been a lot of question marks placed on that theory, and I could shoot a lot of holes in it. But what do you really believe? What do you believe? And he looks at the camera and he goes, well, if you would have asked my great grandfather, this is a story that he would have told. And then he talks about the giants that come through the portals and what they've drawn in their petroglyphs, this reptilian entity that came through and started teaching them how to use their kivas for sorcery, pharmacia, magic. And these portals opened in the earth, giants came up out of it and they're raping and killing. They're raping the anasaze. I think what the Chaco Canyon University study has just discovered is actual physical proof. Because remember, early on in American history, before the Smithsonian swept in and started taking, there were all kinds of university professors. We found another seven foot tall giant, a nine foot tall giant. We're digging them up out of the.
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C
It's in the record, right?
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B
It's in the record. Well, yeah, there's literally dozens and dozens of early American newspapers by reputable news sources. You know, professor, this and that just dug up another giant, right? And the Smithsonian, when they couldn't get those out of the museum, they'd buy the museum, take the giants out, and then close the museum. So there was a very concerted effort. Well, I think now, though, that this has been published. They're not going to be able to sweep into this one. You and I should sweep into it.
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C
I'd love to.
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B
We should do that.
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A
Well, you were here, you heard this.
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B
I'll even start calling you L. A. Wow.
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A
So I'm glad you all got to see that handshake. That was. That was marvelous. All right, to continue this conversation here, I think it will be our final question, and it's to both of you. Are the spirits of the nephilim wandering unredeemed, as mentioned in the book of Enoch? And do they inhabit people? Are they to be considered what we call demons? Either one of you can address that.
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B
Go ahead.
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C
Okay. How many people know about the Miami cannibal? Okay, when that first happened, I went on the record on my blog very first day, and I said the media was painting this thing as bath salts. Here's the backstory. This guy, Rudy Eugene, was found with no clothes on, right? Chewing off the face of this homeless man, popo. All right? And when the policeman came, he fired. You know, he told the guy to stop and fired a shot at him because he wouldn't stop, hit him in the leg. And Rudy Eugene turned to him and growled and then went back eating the face. So I heard the story. This is gruesome stuff. This is right out of the pit of hell. And I said, went on the record. This has nothing to do with bath salts. This has everything to do with a nephilim spirit. And guaranteed, guaranteed it will be found that when they finally get the toxicology report back that there will be no drugs in this guy's system. So a month goes by, the toxicology report comes back, it's on page, you know, 62 someplace. No drugs in this guy, no bath salts, no drugs. Something happened to him. These spirits wander the earth and they seek revenge on men and women. And somehow this guy opened himself up to it. I don't know the mechanics of that. Probably through pharmacia on some level, because the traces of marijuana. But the marijuana today is not like the marijuana we smoked at Woodstock. Just admitted to smoking pot. But it's not, it's very, very, very, very powerful. And you couldn't, you could put a million dollars here. I wouldn't get near that stuff because it opens you up into the demonic. That's what it does.
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A
Exactly.
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C
And I think he opened himself up, spirit came in, and there was the end results. And by the way, the policeman emptied his revolver into Rudy Eugene before he killed it. So he was not only demonically possessed, but demonically enhanced at that troubling story.
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A
You know, in Isaiah 26:14 there is this, and it says, they are dead, they shall not live, they are deceased, they shall not rise. Therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, made all their memory to perish. Well, this is Isaiah writing about the Nephilim, specifically the Rephaim, which is a generic term for the nephilim post flood. And in fact, if you read this in the Hebrew, it says, they are Rephaim, they shall not live, they are Rephaim, they shall not rise. There's no resurrection for these half human creatures, but they earnestly seek bodies, they seek victims, they seek retribution. They're out there doing everything they can to forward the program of their leader. And they're going to be doing that until Jesus comes. If you've read Revelation, you know that the fight is on and the creatures that are in the fight defy description. You read Revelation, you say, what do those things look like? What are they? And I think they're yet another generation of the Nephilim. Well, where do we go from here? It's gotten awfully quiet in A hurry. Does anybody have a burning question?
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C
I just have a comment.
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D
I was thinking about how Chuck Missler says that scripture where it talks about the gates of heaven shall not prevail against the church. And he says that the church is in the offense. And he says so it's the us pushing back against. And I was thinking about that at the very beginning when you were all talking about how the churches or body of believers are. You're lifting the veil a little bit and we're starting to see how things really work because you're not really taught
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C
that kind of thing.
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D
If you're a kid growing up in Sunday school, you just don't.
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A
But here's the thing. Once you begin to have your mind open to this, you have to make a choice, am I in the fight or not? And I made a choice.
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D
He said, when we pray as a body of believers, we can do something. We're not ineffective.
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A
Right? That is true.
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B
We're more effective than the church comprehends. And that's what he never wants you to know. Right. Satan, that old poem, you know, Satan trembles when he sees the weakest Christian on their knees. Right? Yeah. Mary, Queen of Scott feared the prayers of John Knox. She wrote this more than an army of nations. Right.
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A
There's a gentleman back here. Would you stand up, sir, and. Yes, and speak rather loudly.
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B
Spiritual legal rights for properties. And then la. You mentioned about putting down the car park or plenty.
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A
Tom.
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B
So in terms of your government here and all of the architecture being satanically based, what do you think of the spiritual legal rights of White House, Pentagon, etc. And other than putting it down and making a cut, what are the spiritual solutions? Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes absolute sense. And Gary and I have done numerous programs on that architecture in Washington D.C. and the great Seal of the United States is, you know, like our book that we just put out, the final Roman emperor. That prophecy actually came from the Kume Sybil through the Tiburtine Sybil in Rome. She's this very highly respected pagan prophetess who was a speaker for the underworld God Apollo and the Great Seal, the Novus Ordo Seclorum. That's taken from her prophecy how that at the end of time, the God Apollo is going to return to the earth and give birth to a new golden age. Why should Christians care? Because in two places in the New Testament, Paul says that the Antichrist will be the son of perdition. And the Greek word there, perdition is Apollo. He'll be the son of Apollo. It says in Revelation 17, the beast will rise up out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition. Apollo. So the Bible tells us who the Antichrist is going to be, that he's going to rise up out of the pit. And so how should it make us feel when you realize that on the US$1 bill, you have the prophecy of the prophetess of the God Apollo, who predicts his coming? We carry that as Americans on our person more often than we carry the word of God. We have the prophecy of the coming of the Antichrist in our wallets and in our purses. So it's deeply occultic. But here's what I would say, even if America. So I've argued with some, you know, that America was not necessarily founded as a Christian nation. I think America, in spite of that, became a Christian nation. And this goes back to what we were talking about a moment ago. Were there occultists, Freemasons of the European order that had a curious idea they're going to build the new Atlantis. That's absolute history. It's absolutely indisputable. The vast majority of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons who were committed to creating basically, New Rome. D.C. was originally called Rome. That's why it's fashioned so much after the Vatican. Oh, and if you go to the Vatican and you go inside St. Peter's Cathedral and look up at the famous paintings of Michelangelo, five of Apollo's sibyls are placed along, including the Kumae, the most powerful, placed alongside the Old Testament prophets. Right.
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A
May I interrupt and say that if you walk inside the Capitol at Washington, Washington, D.C. and look up at the dome, you see the apotheosis of George Washington, George Washington rising to take his place among the Greek gods.
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B
Among the gods.
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A
Among the gods. And who's the woman standing on top of the Capitol dome?
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B
Right.
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A
She's the goddess Columbia, who is a rebirth of Minerva or Athena.
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B
Right.
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A
So we're talking about a system here in the world. We are in the world. We are not of the world. Greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.
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B
And that is how, by the way, the Apostle Paul, think of this great is the goddess Diana. That religion went back for 2,000 years. Our nation's only a little over 200 years old. So think of how established that religion was all throughout, you know, the Europe, the Middle East. Yeah, yeah, the Middle. Kept wanting to say something besides the Middle east, but throughout the Middle East. Sorry, said Tom Horndale. I did my hour. I'm Drifting now. And nothing could bring down those religions. And 200 years after a ragtag group of men and women started preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, the temple of Diana was in ruins. The kings were. They were grumbling because they said the babbling brook at Apollo speak to us anymore.
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C
Right?
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B
The world was literally turned upside down by the preachers of the gospel. So here in America, do we have this occultic origin? We certainly do. But in spite of it, we had agrarians, farmers, all these people coming together, and they said, bunch of hoo ha. We believe in Jesus Christ. And every time they spoke those words, that veil was pushed back, pushed back, pushed back until we did become the greatest, most powerful, most industrial nation on the face of the earth. Because we blessed Israel. God blessed us. Lately, we've turned our back on Israel. There are very troubling things, but I'm seeing some very hopeful signs, too. Brexit was a hopeful sign, what we're seeing. And I'm not endorsing Donald Trump. And Trump obviously hasn't won his position because he's the most articulate human on the face of the earth. He is a sign of something much deeper and I think very valuable and important. And that is what's boiling up from underneath the Christian roots of America coming back up through. I think it'll give birth to another great awakening. I only have one final thing to say. You went to Woodstock?
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C
Yes. Yeah.
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B
So here's my Woodstock story. I remember standing out by the road with all my long hair. My hair was done here. You were at Woodstock? No, here's my story, okay? It's really short. I'm standing out by the road. Here's Johnny Rat. All my friends, you know, they're all out there. They're long hair. Come on, John. Where you going? We're going to a music rally or what? Something like that, right? And I'm like, what is it? I don't want to go. It's, oh, yeah, you want to go? I said, what is it? It's Woodstock that ain't gonna amount to nothing,
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A
you know? Tom Horn is one of the most articulate men in the world, and he lays claim to none, but he really is. And once he starts speaking, I always listen. Same with L. A Marzulli, Louisiana.
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C
I believe.
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A
I think both of these men have the unction of the Holy Spirit. They have been given an assignment, and
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B
they're doing it from the lips of one of the most important biblical scholars on the planet today, the elder brother.
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A
Thank you all.
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C
God bless you.