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Hi, Gary Stearman. I'd like to spend a few minutes with you talking about what we're calling the dark side of Bible prophecy. In the church, the message is of hope, it's of resurrection, it is of redemption. We have the most positive message on planet Earth, but there is a dark side to the message of the Bible and we cannot ignore it. And on that note, I want to introduce to you an old friend and by the way, someone I'm sure you've seen from time to time in various places. He's been our guest. His name is La Marzulli. Hi, L A Gary.
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Great to be here.
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You know, the Bible message, the message of redemption is the most positive message on earth. It's full of bright tomorrows, it's full of the love of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's just a phenomenal message. But we find ourselves now in a time and a place where, whether we like it or not, there are a lot of dark things looming up, just as prophecy said they would. And that's what I want to talk with you about today. The legitimacy of the dark side of Bible prophecy. You've had a lot of experience, you've taken a lot of criticism. And let's start out on, I guess, what is a dark note. The fact that you've been criticized for talking about subjects that are considered sub rosa, not to be discussed.
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Sure. I'll just give you an example we probably get. In fact, I had one this morning that came to my inbox. We have people that, because of what I do, because of the lectures and the books and everything else, they feel safe to email me. And so they'll email. And what was interesting is this man's talking about awakening. He's a truck driver awakening in his truck and feeling this very dark, ominous presence around him and not being able to move. And there were other experiences that he went through. And so he's coming to me looking for what's going on, what do I do with this. And of course I'll write back to him, which I haven't had time to do yet. Talk about the armor of God, which we read about in Ephesians 6. Let him know that first of all, he's not alone in this, that we get countless, and I mean countless testimonies from people. We get emails on a daily, weekly basis, more than often daily basis from people all over America and sometimes different countries, asking and sharing their stories about either being abducted or partially abducted or, you know, getting ready to floating over the bed, this type of stuff. And that's crazy, crazy stuff. When I'm. When I'm at conferences, I ask people in the audience, how many of you had had an encounter, seen lights in the sky, sleep paralysis, shadow people just give me, give me a raise of hands. And usually it's between 20 and 30% of the people. And. And I've had pastors in the front row turn around and just be taken aback by the number of hands. And some of them are in their congregation. They just kind of go, I had no idea this person had it. And they'll go to them after, well, what happened to you? And the person is reticent to say anything without those kind of numbers. And think about the people that aren't raising their hands. 20 to 30% of the people just at a conference. So we need to address this because something is going on. And as Christians who believe in the biblical prophetic narrative, we've got the answers. We can put on the armor of God. We can talk about the blood of Jesus. We can, you know, get prayed up and stay prayed up and walk in a circumspect way.
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Well, we read about the prince of the power of the air. Satan, sure. The old dragon, the serpent. The cause of all the difficulty. The one who fell a very long time ago from his position of authority. Basically, I look at Satan as the owner of this real estate. He looked at himself that way when he tempted Christ. He said, I can give you these things if you'll just bow down to me. And Jesus didn't look at him and say, you're silly, you're ridiculous. Jesus didn't say, I own this place. He didn't pull rank on Satan. But what he did was quote scripture to Satan. It is written and in it is written. And in doing that, he really acknowledged the fact that Satan has some kind of priority over this real estate called planet Earth.
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A legal right.
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A legal right. And we call him the prince of the power of the air. He directs, I think, legions of followers. They're called principalities or archons. They're called exousia, delegated authorities. In my opinion, they're the things that go bump in the night. We tend to look at the bright side, take a Pollyanna view of the world, and it's a wonderful place and salvation is great. And we go to church on Sunday and. And we play golf. Nothing against golf, by the way, but the thing is, we try to ignore what the Bible is clearly saying, that in the last days, as Paul put it, perilous times shall come. And I guess you and I both have been called to deal with these subjects. I know I have. I found myself backing into These subjects found 30 years ago when I was writing on what I thought was straightforward biblical prophecy. I would find things in the Bible that said, oh, something dark is coming, and it is prophesied for the latter days. And I began to see that something coming as you did. And I think the Lord has called us to shine a bright light of truth on it. So having kicked off our conversation in this way, what do you think we really need to talk about today so the Christians are not fooled or tricked?
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Well, you know, Yeshua, Jesus warns us that even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. He adds, if that were possible. And I thank him that that latter part of the phrase is included. But I mean, that is a very stern, severe warning. Even the elect would be deceived, but that were possible. And that leads me to think that whatever this is is going to be so overwhelming that even those who are rooted and grounded in biblical truths will, you know, kind of take a step back and be jolted. And that begs the question, what would that thing be? Is anything manifesting in today's world which fits that description? In my opinion, it is. And it's being promulgated by the New Agers, UFO cults, ancient alien series, every Friday night, running with it. And it also, the springboard of this is Darwinism, which, you know, the whole idea of panspermia, that we receded here from a galaxy far, far away. And Richard Dawkins, you know, one of the premier evolutionists of the 20th and 21st century, that's his position. That's what he defaults to when asked, how did all this begin? That's his default paradigm. We were seated here.
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And yet he would laugh if you suggested to him that the people who see to this are coming here to check on their work, which is a rather common myth, that we were created by the aliens and they're coming back now toward the end of time to bring everything to a close. There are a number of novels, sci fi novels that are written on that Brown Arthur Clark, Childhood's End, which was
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just redone on the Sci Fi Channel recently.
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And isn't that fascinating that that's popping up at this time, at this time, and tell everybody what Childhood's End essentially says. This is the fascinating thing.
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It's incredible because, you know, this huge UFO appears and the overlords show up and we don't see who the Overlord is. And when they did, it Just recently on the Sci Fi Channel, it was very chilling. And finally, you know, the overlord picks this one person, human being, to be a spokesperson, liaison between the Overlords and the people of Earth. But he won't let this spokesperson see who he really is. Finally, he reveals himself. And the scene from the Sci Fi Channel is just chilling because all these people are awaiting to see who the Overlord is. And the Overlord comes out with a little boy and a little girl on either side. And it is exactly, you know, a picture of what we would think. The horned one. Lucifer, Satan is. It's got the wings, you know, the. The reptilian head, the huge rack of
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horns, the cloven hooves, the back, the bat wings.
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The bat wings. I mean, it's there and it's done, you know, 2016, with all the CGI, you know, power behind it. And it's very, very chilling. And you know, when you see that everyone was taken aback by it and as you stated, why now? Why are they bringing this back now? And I mean, there's. There's even, even in the Last Super Bowl, 2016 Super bowl, there was references to UFO. Not as blatant as in your face as 2015, but it was still there.
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But here we have propaganda. It's the. Yeah, it's masquerading as entertainment. It's good, clean sci fi. And it tells a. We have an Overlord who's looking out for us. And though we may think he's a dark figure, you know, with bat wings and horns and he has kind of leathery reddish skin or whatever, he's the good guy.
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Yeah, it's all flipped.
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As you were talking, I flipped over here to Daniel 9. 27, one of the key passages in the entire Bible, talking about the Antichrist in the same context as we're talking about the guy that steps off the UFO with a couple of children and he looks like Satan. And we read here in Daniel 9:27, and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. That would be the Antichrist. And the week being a week of years. And in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, meaning that he has in some way brought about the possibility for the Jews to build a temple and to once again resume sacrificial worship. There's. But he causes it to cease in the middle of the year. But I'm getting to a point that goes back to childhood's end. And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it Desolate. And Jesus in the New Testament quotes this and calls it the abomination of desolation, Matthew 24. But here it's called the overspreading of abominations. Now, in the Hebrew language, that is hakanaf hashekutzim. Hakanaph means a wing, and hashekutzim means of horrors. And so here in Hebrew, it says that the Antichrist is a wing of horrors. What an image.
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Interesting.
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And you were talking about the man that comes out of the spaceship with two children and he's got bats wings. You know, this imagery sticks in my mind. A wing of horrors. What a thing to call the abomination of desolation.
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You know, what's interesting is that, you know, and you mentioned this just earlier, that why now? Why are they bringing this to the forefront now? I mean, we are being inundated with the whole idea that we were seated here from extraterrestrials. The overlords are coming. Those who created us are going to come back again. Going back to the ancient Alien series in the beginning of that show every week. Who were they? Where did they come from? Will they return? They pose these questions to the audience. And I truly believe, and this is what I've been really criticized for this. I believe this is the coming great deception, a term that I used in my novels, the Nephilim Trilogy, 15, 16 years ago. Now, I coined that phrase, the coming great deception. And other people use it, and that's fine, but it's not found in the Bible, the coming great deception. And it ties into the whole second Thessalonians.
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Let me ask you a question on that note. The coming great deception. You wrote this how many years ago?
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Well, really, it's more like 18 years, because I started writing a nephilim in 2000. In 1998.
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Roll the years back and go back 18 years, and imagine what you were thinking at that time. Has your thinking changed from then until now?
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My thinking has. You know, the basic premise of the argument has never changed. But what I realize is that I was only scratching the surface, you know, 18 years ago. And the research actually goes back in 1990, and based on the works of Dr. I.D. thomas, who I considered a mentor. The Omega Conspiracy. Fantastic book to cut your teeth on.
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Yeah.
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But I only see this is a very complex scenario, carefully guarded. And I realize this sounds like conspiracy stuff, and in some ways it is, but there is a conspiracy, and that conspiracy is a Luciferian one. That conspiracy is spawned in Hell's Kitchen, as Russ Disrael would call it, that's where it's from and it's very, very complex. And it ties in with biblical prophecy, I think on many different points. And unfortunately the church, for the most part, and I'm painting with a very broad brush here, won't even discuss the subject. And yet this is the same Bible that talks when Jesus rolls into a town and he cast out demons. And you know, they say, what have you got to do with us, son of Gog? And he just, you know, all that. I mean, he's dealing with the supernatural. Let's say for instance, when he's on that boat and that storm comes up out of nowhere. I've written about this in the cosmic chess match. I believe that was not just a coincidence. I believe Satan, the fallen cherub, created that storm to kill him because he's trying to kill Jesus. All through his ministry. That's what he wants to do. And then Jesus goes, be still in the whole thing like a wet dish rag. If you go into the Hebrew, that's what it's like. Just like a towel just dropping. Storm just instantly stops. And then something else happens which is just astounding. They instantly arrive at their destination. And that's moving from point A. Time travelers of the Bible, your book, moving from point A to point B instantaneously. And you can't do that here.
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He is the master of time.
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Yes, he really is.
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He created time and space. Why can't he move through it? He's having fun doing it and he does. Let's go back now to the sci fi mode because this intrigues me. I remember many, many years ago, I think the first, if you will, the first blockbuster sci fi movie was the Day the Earth Stood Still.
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Oh yeah.
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Where you actually have the figure of a very handsome, charming spaceman played by Michael Rennie at that time, kind of a heartthrob, a leading man. He lands in Washington near the White House and he says, I'm here to warn you all that if you don't shape up, we're going to have to destroy your planet. So he comes as a kind of a savior and he calls a meeting of all the great minds. And of course you've seen the movie and so has everybody. But essentially this guy was a false messiah. Much like childhood's end. You have a dragon looking character who's a false messiah coming out of a spaceship with two children. I'm thinking about sci fi. The whole track of sci fi in the last 60 years or so has been propaganda. It's amazing propaganda to Me, when you stop and think about. And I'm going back to the people you mentioned who attend church, and they never hear teaching in church that would warn them about any of this stuff. But on the other hand, when they go home from church, there it is. There it is. And they buy tickets, they go to the movies, they see Alien and they see Star Wars, Star Trek, Star this and Star that. I can't think of all the names. You can, I'm sure, but they're all propaganda, subtle propaganda, anti biblical propaganda. How does that happen?
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You know, what's interesting is, as you go back to War of the Worlds, when that radio broadcast.
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Yes.
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And people committed suicide because they were terrified that we were being invaded by an extraterrestrial force. I believe that that was. The government looked at that, the powers that be looked at that. And they went, oh, my gosh. And so for the last 60, 70 years, there's been a continual effort to condition the public. And the way they. And I realize, you know, I got my tinfoil hat here on, because it's all stuff of conspiracy. But the bottom line is, you know, you go to a theater, you see this stuff, and over a period of time, people become conditioned to the idea that we're not alone in the universe, that extraterrestrials are here, and, oh, wait, they may have even created us. The idea of panspermia, which, again, going back to Dawkins, is what. That's his default paradigm. And that's where he goes when pushed. That's where he goes. And I think recently we talked about this off camera, that with a remake of the X Files television show. And so the following day, it's on Fox News and there's Gretchen Carlson. I actually have the clip. And she's talking about the CIA releasing photographs that were once classified from the 40s, 50s and 60s. And what's fascinating about this, she. You know why when reporters in this country talk about the UFO phenomenon, they always. They always like, yuck it up, sort of tongue in cheek. Well, they're back again, you know, that type of deal. And they yuck it up. And then, you know, she cuts to Trace Gallacher and he yucks it up. And this subject is like, wait a minute, why are you guys laughing? This is like the repercussions of this affect every single person on this planet. And you guys are making sort of a joke about it. And I take umbrage with that. I mean, I really do. Because what they're doing is they're deliberately obfuscating. Oh, Nothing to worry about. It's all okay. Look, if something. And I've spoken to people, I mean, not. This is not hearsay. This is not whisper down the lane. And this is why the church needs to wake up, especially some of the critics, and understand, like Ricky Sorrel. And I've written about this in the book Further Evidence. Sorrel was out in Stevensville, Texas. He was out deer hunting one day, okay? He got his 30 06. He gets caught up in some brambles. He backs out of the brambles with his gun and he looks up like this. Above him is this ginormous enormous craft. He looks in every direction. He can't see the end of this thing. And at one point he thinks about shooting it. Now, that changed his entire paradigm. That incident changed his life. He was confused. This man was a Christian. I sent him books. I talked to him half a dozen times, perhaps more, on the phone, did the interview with him. And he was shocked, shocked to his core. What Christians don't understand. We're told that Satan comes with all signs and lying wonders. We're told that even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. Men faint from fear was coming upon the earth. When we start looking at all these prophetic passages, what does that point to?
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And.
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And then you look at Ricky Sorrow. A mile wide craft. This guy was shaken to his core, Gary. Shaken to his core.
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A mile wide craft.
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Huge.
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I can't even conceive of it.
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I can't either.
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But apparently it was low.
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It was just over, very low, just over the treetops. And when it went away, it began to lift and then turn at a 45 degree angle and then sped off. And a few minutes later, a squadron of F15s or 16s came streaking by following the craft. What happens if not one of these, but a couple of dozen of these things appear over the cities of the world? It is game over.
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That's the program. V. So Independence Day, by the way, Independence Day is being reissued in which you have these gigantic craft, maybe mile wide craft, coming and trying to subdue planet Earth, turn humans into slaves. We don't know why they're here, but they are evil, dark forces and they're out there. And I think Christians look at those movies as entertainment. When you and I look at them after years of researching this from a biblical perspective, we look at them as the dark powers of the air. And we think of these forces advancing in the latter days as being the precursors of the rule of the Antichrist. I have My Bible open here to Daniel, chapter 11 and the willful king, and you and I have talked about this before, is said to speak marvelous things against the God of gods. In other words, he's going to stand up and blaspheme God openly without fear of reprisal. He's not going to regard the God of his father, says Daniel. He's going to honor the God of forces. He's going to honor a strange God. And the word strange here in Hebrew is the same word that you use for alien, an alien God, Eli. That brings us precisely to where we are right now. And Christians need to know about this.
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You know, this is interesting. Here we are, we're discussing this in 2016, specifically in February 2016. I'm not making this up. Last night we went out to dinner with Bob Ulrich and his wife Chrissy and my wife Peggy, and we had a wonderful dinner. On the way back to where we were staying, my iPhone went off. I looked at it. There was a text from a man who I've texted before. We've had communication. He said, my girlfriend and I were riding in our car and I won't tell you where it was, but you know, in the United States. And all of a sudden this orb streak in front of us. And you know, it's at night and they're just driving in the car minding their own business and this orb just appears in streaks in front of them, kind of hovers and then darts off in the distance. They were both taken aback by what they had seen. The girlfriend went, wow, that was really cool Christian girl. That was really cool what she had just seen. He said no and he began to pray against it. And this is what people. And I've, I've. Look, a friend of mine who's a pastor, lives in Malibu, okay, He's got this amazing. In fact, you've stayed at the house, so you know who I'm talking about. Got this amazing view of the Pacific. It's like 180 degree view of the entire Pacific. And he's up about 500ft above sea level. So he's got just an amazing perch there. And this is just a couple of weeks ago he was looking out in the ocean at night and all of a sudden there's like five or six lights appear. Now these aren't fishing boats. And the lights start doing this, darting across the ocean at high speeds, crisscrossing.
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Can't happen.
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Stopping it can't happen. Yeah. And he's, this is a pastor and he's mesmerized by what he sees. He's captured. Wow, what is that? And he's running around trying to get his camera to get a photograph of it. That's my point. Unless we understand and it's rooted in us, and this is what part of what I teach when I'm at conferences, rebuke first, ask questions later. When we see something like that, we need to go immediately in the warfare mode and start rebuking the Lord, Rebuke you in the name of Yeshua, in the name of Jesus. Father, send your angels to counteract this activity in the name of Jesus immediately. That's the position that we have to take.
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Well, this is fascinating because again, I'm open to Ephesians 6 and it speaks about what you're talking about. It talks about principalities, powers, rulers of darkness. They're there. You've tracked them. You've seen their handprints on the wall.
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Sure. Literally. Literally.
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Is that Watchers 10, by the way?
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No, that was Watchers 7. Yes, 10 is not out yet, but we're working. That's all right. Nice plug. Thank you.
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I had to do that because Louisiana is known for the Watchers series and he's just working on number 10, which is going to be phenomenal off the hook. But let me tell you, it's right here in front of me in scripture what you're talking about. Principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, spiritual wickedness in heavenly places. That is, look up. That's what we're seeing. We're seeing dimensional shifts, things that appear and disappear. And then Paul says exactly what you said here in verse 13, wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day. Are we in the evil day?
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The short answer is yes. And the reason why I say that is I think occult activity. Look, just go to the 2016 Super bowl and it's an occult love fest last year. The woman rides a beast. Now, is that Ishtar or is that going back to the Book of Revelation? Or is it both? I mean, it is in our face. Look at the new TV show on Fox News, Lucifer. Oh, L. A, you're just taking these things too seriously. I don't think so at all. I think we're in the window of time where we are rapidly approaching a climax here and the lawlessness rules on this planet. I mean, you know, all the signs that Jesus warns us will precede his second coming are in full blown operation, in my opinion. They are. They are to the nines. They're happening in ways that, you know, let's go back 30 years ago. I just would never imagine that we're seeing the things that we're seeing, just the lawlessness, the fact that nine Supreme Court justices decide against what most American people would say, we don't want this. Now is the law of the land. And our President Obama stands up and says, you know, love triumphs, or whatever he says. I'm talking about, of course, the homosexual agenda, where now it's okay for, you know, gays to marry. And Christians look at that and go, well, wait a minute. That's a direct assault to what we believe as Christians, that marriage is between one woman and one man. One man and one woman. And, you know, if I say anything against that, I'm a homophobe. If I say anything against the rise of Islam and the jihadist, I'm, you know, an Islamophobe. And on and on it goes. The political correct nonsense has to stop.
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Yeah, well, political correctness, in my opinion, is censorship.
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It is exactly who it is, pure and simple. Gag order. You can't say this.
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You can't say that. Well, what we would like to say, however, and during this conversation, it's at least my desire to make the average churchgoer understand why we're delving into Scripture in the way that we are. The Lord called us to look at the deep things of Bible prophecy. And when you look into them, you discover that not all is sweetness and light. Of course, the most wonderful thing I can think of is the catching away of the church. It could happen, no matter. Middle of this conversation, the Great Escape. Well, people scoff at it. Oh, you're talking about the Great Escape. You just wanted to get out of here. You know, be brave, be strong. You could go through the tribulation. That's sort of one motif. But no, Christianity is bright. It's beautiful, it is redemption. It is resurrection to eternal life in a glorified body. But the Lord through his grace, has deposited us into a very evil world. Think about this. 100 million people killed by communism worldwide over the last 70 years. Brazil, sure. Okay, 100 million. Now, a lot of them Christians, sought out and killed because they're Christians over the last 70 years. And a lot of them are being sought out and killed right now as we speak. Absolutely. And all this, which is very factual, is sort of forgotten about. We don't talk about that. Why? Because we're blessed in the Lord. We as a body of Christ are just blessed. And we are. And we celebrate that. In church every Sunday, in our communications with other Christians, our. The common ground that we share, Koinonia, if you will, to sum it up, a term, a good old biblical term. It's one big family. And I think we sort of relax into that and look away from the dark things that the Bible said would come upon the earth.
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Let me add to that. You talked about 100 million people dying in the Gulag. Solzhujnitian would put that number higher, especially when you add China in. But no matter. I mean, the mind reels at that. When you add to that the 1 billion aborted babies since Roe v. Wade, which is unprecedented. It is absolutely an unprecedented holocaust, which, I mean, a billion unborn babies killed, ripped, destroyed from their mother's womb and
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treated with absolute disrespect after they're removed in the same way a butcher handles a steak, pretty much awful. And I guess the thrust of this from our perspective, number one, we know the times in which we are living and we say, what in the world can we do about this? And we often just come up short there. What can we do?
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That's a very, very interesting question. Because of the prophetic narrative, we know that things are going to lead to a climax. We are in the midst of a cosmic regime change, a new phrase that I've coined, but that's what it is. It's a cosmic regime change. This system, and you talked about it earlier, the God of this world, Satan, is about to be deposed. And we're beginning to see those signs, the king will return. That is our hope. I mean, we're not ever going to change the ideology of Hamas or Hezbollah or jihadists or the mullahs in Iran. That ideology is never going to change. It's not going to change the mind of the abortionists who just, you know, kill on demand or certainly the liberal feminist who this body is mine and you have absolutely no right to it at all. And I'm going to kill all the unborn babies I want to, including partial birth abortion, which is about as satanic as you can possibly get. So, you know, my hope, my real hope, and it's something I say sometimes at conferences or whatever, that the only way out of this mess is up. And what I mean by that, that yeah, look, I'm here, we're talking about the stuff people get saved through our ministry. They come to a knowledge of Jesus. And that's wonderful, that's great. And all I can do as a watch person or as a watchman is warn the folks of what I see coming. And you can laugh at me. I don't care. I'm doing my job. This is what I see. I see judgment coming from the most high God. Certainly after, I think a line was crossed last summer with the, with the gay marriage deal. I think that we've reached, you know, the blood of these innocent children who are crying out, which is, you know, people say la when you call it a ritual satanic offering, a blood offering. How can you possibly say that? You know, the doctors aren't Satanists. Yeah, they're not Satanists, but they're basically doing the same abominable acts that we see recorded in the Old Testament. It's there, it's happening. So in my opinion, the only way out of this is up. We're not going to fix it. And I realize that that's sort of a defeatist attitude before I get to the punchline. We can influence many people and we do that through my ministry, the ministry that we have. Your ministry here at Prophecy Watchers? Absolutely. All day long. And you're making a difference. This, this platform creates content. And people look at this and it changes people's lives and hearts and minds and their paradigm and the way they which the world in, the way they view the world. But the only way out of this, and this is my blessed hope, and I know it's yours, is when we hear that trumpet call and up we go. Who wants to be here? This place is incredibly evil and insane.
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It's going to be a world that you won't even recognize, where the supernatural becomes the natural. And we're edging into it right now. There's, I think, a millennia long resistance to talking about the supernatural. The church tries to compact everything into the real and to minimize the supernatural for good reason. Because you don't want people running wild in the supernatural. You want to try to keep them sensible. On the other hand, the supernatural is very much a part of the church. Very much a part of the church. We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You can't get any more supernatural than that. But there's something else, and I want to change the subject slightly, but move into a different area because you've been deeply, deeply criticized for the amount of time you've spent researching the ancient Nephilim story, the Fallen Ones. And we have here a key verse in Matthew, chapter 24, the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus is seated on the Mount of Olives with his disciples. They're looking across the Kidron Valley at the temple which has not been destroyed yet. It's beautiful. One of the wonders of the world. And Jesus breaks the bad news to them. This whole thing's going to come down. And in the end times, he says, as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be very harmless, innocent little statement. Matthew 24, at least on the surface. On the surface. Matthew 24:37. It's utterly revolutionary. And I want you to go back, revisit the days of Noah, come forward, and I want ultimately to end up with a gentleman you interviewed in one of your Watchers series.
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Okay.
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And this gentleman is a tenured professor.
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Oh, yes.
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And we're going to mention his name later. But let's go back to the days of the days of Noah.
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Well, the first thing that we have to understand, and you brought this up at the Nephilim Mounds Conference, which is incredible. It's all about the seed. Your presentation, Talking about Genesis 3, where the scene is Adam and Eve and then the serpent and the most high God. And he's saying, you know, the seed of a serpent will be at enmity, at war with the seed of the woman. That's Sperma. And we can tap dance around that all we want to, but seed is Sperma. We know that the seed of the woman becomes Messiah. The seed of a serpent becomes the Antichrist. In my opinion, he doesn't go to Antichrist school to become the Antichrist. It is the offspring of the serpent. A couple of chapters over, we see the eruption of the seed war. In Genesis 6, the sons of God saw the daughters of men, desired, took wives, whomever they chose went into them in the biblical sense. And the entities that were born, the offspring, the progeny of the fallen angels, the women of Earth, were, of course, the Nephilim. And this is a very controversial passage, and I get it. Some people insist that angels can't have sex. And they point to it says, we'll be like the angels, not given in marriage. Okay, it says we're not married in heaven. I get that. But it doesn't say we're sexless. And how do we know the angels aren't? They lusted after the women of Earth,
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and they did this before they came down while they were still up there. Which gives us a great big clue. Now, let's stop right there. And those of us who are joining us in this conversation, I want to say one thing. We're not being deliberately provocative here. We're just simply attempting to, in clear, plain terms, bring the Bible story up to date in the context of the 21st century, when you go down and you pay your $8.50 or whatever, you pay for a ticket and see Independence Day apocalypse and mile wide ships come and you're just eating popcorn and just enjoying this and thinking that this is fiction. It's not fiction.
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No, it's not.
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It is the archetype of something very horrible that the Bible says is going to befall planet Earth. Now back to the story.
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Okay, so we know that the Nephilim were on the earth and it corrupted the entire bloodline. And the reason for this, and I discussed this at great length in my book, the Cosmic Chess Match. But what's happening is this move and counter move between the most high God and the fallen cherub. You know, most high God creates Adam and Eve. That's the one move. And I believe that that was a replacement for the fallen angels. Satan sees that. His move is to corrupt man and woman and make them fall, which is what he does in the garden. Counter move to that is the promise of Messiah. Counter move to that. Now we're in Genesis 6. All he has to do is wipe out the human bloodline, contaminate the DNA, no messiah will be born. Planet Earth is mine. I win. You lose. Game over. And he almost succeeds, except for the eight people that were taken on the ark. And I want to address something here that unless all those people were pure in their lineage, their DNA was, Was completely intact. And there's. There was no Nephilim blood. In my opinion, with all due respect to some researchers out there, it impugns God's character. He's going to wipe out the entire planet, but somehow, miss one of the wives or whatever is being part Nephilim and that creates the second incursion. I don't believe that for a second. I believe there was a second multiple incursions actually, all through history, right down to the present day. And our watchers, Watchers seven, Watchers eight, gets into this. And this is, you know, you talk about censorship and gag orders, you know, political correctness, but we have exactly the same thing in the church. Well, you can't talk about this. What does this have to do with Jesus? It has everything to do with Jesus. He warns us it will be like the days of Noah. And our research is showing the folks that, oh my gosh, what happened in the days of Noah similarly is happening today in modernity.
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And Josephus looked back at the days of Noah and the descent of the, if you will, the demigods. And he drew the conclusion that they were the Same demigods as the Greeks and the Romans have in their mythology. In other words, the Greeks and Romans were in an imperfect way attempting to describe something that really happened. And we've branded it mythology. It's really the supernatural and it's destined to happen again.
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And Josephus also says that the bones of the Nephilim, the bones of these creatures, were on display, openly on display in Jerusalem to show future generations what their ancestors thousands of years ago fought, what was in the land. The bones were displayed. And I find that chilling.
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And humanity is having a mask pulled over its face right now. Humanity is being blindfolded to the reality of this soon coming revisitation of the old world. Jesus said it would happen as it was in the days of Noah. In fact, I'm reading the King James. But as the days of Noah were, were, and LA has detailed that, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. In other words, in the era of his coming. There'll be a repetition of this horror. You can't overemphasize how horrible it is. Now, you interviewed a gentleman, tenured professor, Dr. David Jacobs. And at this point in time, start by telling us this man is not a wild, off the hook sort of crazy running around and waving his arms and saying they're here, they're here. He's an academician. And what is he saying?
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Well, Dr. David Jacobs was a tenured professor at Temple. He's retired now, but he was a tenured professor for decades and he's written several books. And when he began to look into what is known as the abduction phenomena, and again we address this, we get, we get letters and emails from people and I'll tell you a story in a little bit, you know, about one elder in a church, no overt sin in his life, you know, nothing hiding. I mean the guy was a, was a just a pillar in the church and he was basically almost abducted floating over the bed, getting ready to be sucked out the wall through the wall. And he knows that and he said the blood of Jesus and bam, it stopped the whole thing. And so that's the thumbnail sketch of it. But Dr. David Jacobs first got into this, the idea when people would come to him and they would tell him stories about being taken at night against their will by these little gray guys with large heads and wrap around black eyes.
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The old story that everybody makes fun of now, they were enculturated. It's been debunked, sure, it hasn't been debunked.
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And what's interesting about this. Look, there's Wings of the Christian Church, which insisted all this is delusion and it's not really happening. And that's why we made watches 7 and 8, because it's physical evidence. It's not delusion. It's physical, hardcore physical evidence. And the problem with this is with Jacobs. He's listening to this, and someone else comes to him with the same kind of story. And then someone else comes to him, and pretty soon he's got maybe half a dozen people that he's seeing and talking to and realizing that there's no collusion between them and they're all telling the same story. And at that moment, his mind goes off the rails, as it were, and he comes on record to us and says, I went around for six months going, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. He couldn't get his head around it. In other words, it shattered his paradigm completely. He couldn't imagine that this thing was going on. And the deeper he goes with his study, with his research, he realizes. And he states this in Watcher 7, he states it unequivocally. And also his newest book, they Walking Among Us, that there seems to be a breeding program that is going on, that whoever these entities are, or wherever they are from, they are interested in creating a hybrid being. And that screams Genesis 6 and it screams Matthew 24.
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And in other words, they want to mix their seed with our seed. Seed? That's biblical.
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Their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave to them. And that's given in marriage.
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That's, by the way, mentioned by Daniel the Prophet. Yes, yes. And it's all about seed.
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It is.
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It is not about some metaphor, seed meaning generation. It's about the actual genetic information being exchanged. DNA, if you will, Human and alien DNA being mixed together. For what purpose?
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Well, they're creating a hybrid being. Chuck Missler would state that Satan is outnumbered two to one, and he is creating an army. He states that, And I think Watchers 7, you know, unequivocally. And that was from an interview that we did actually for Watchers one. And we saved that clip for later on, you know, Satan's out number two to one. He's building an army. That's what's going on.
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Okay, now we've come to a point here, and I want to just take a deep breath and I want to say to those of you who are with us right now, L. A. S got so much more that he could say but what I want you to do is address your remarks to believers right now. What would you say to someone who's out there and maybe hearing this for the first time and becoming frightened? What would you say to that person?
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Well, the first thing we have to understand is we've not been given a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. I mean, that's what we're supposed to walk in, putting on the armor of God, understanding what that is, how it protects us, and then looking at the biblical prophetic passages which warn that something is coming, which will cause men will faint from fear for what is coming upon the earth. It's not a bedtime story. And if we're in the window of time, and I believe we are, it's not like we're, you know, it's coming, it's already here. We're already hearing stories from people, encounters with what appear to be hybrid beings, where the eyes go black, where, you know, people look at bilocation, where some entity is here, and all of a sudden, in a blink of an eye, the entity has moved, you know, 100 yards away. Materialization, dematerialization. I mean, it's all over the map. And this, what's happening, in my opinion, and this is, you know, I've been harping on this, on our discussion. When you think about the 1 billion aborted babies, that's a blood sacrifice, that opens up the gateways, that gives them legal right to manifest. And what people don't understand, this is what happened, you know, in places like chichen itza, where 50,000 people were killed. It happened. Blood sacrifice has been going on on this planet for thousands of years. And then in the Christian era, kind of pulled back. Now it's here again. A billion babies since Roe v. Wade. It opens up the gateways, opens up the portals, and they're manifesting.
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Remember Molech in the Old Testament? They would heat a God, the God Molech, up until he was red hot, fill him with charcoal, this bronze God, and in his lap was a bed of flaming charcoal. People would toss their living babies into the charcoal. The babies would go up and smoke, and the people would praise the God
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as a sacrifice, as a sacrifice.
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In some way, they connected the sacrifice of that child with some blessing in their lives. What we're doing now is not so different from that. Their lives are being blessed because they have sexual freedom. No consequence. They have developed, if you will, a new religion.
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I agree. And that new religion is not only here in the United States, it's global it is global. We've spread the abortion idea on a global level.
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And so all these things are happening in the era in which we find ourselves. Therefore, it's not out of order at all to be talking about the occult within the context of Christianity. I want to take you back to childhood's end. You described how that happens, that it turns out that our Savior really has leathery skin, horns, a tail, bat wings, cloven hoofs. Cloven hoofs, the whole nine yards. And I'm going to Revelation 13:11. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth. And he had two horns like a lamb, but he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him and causes the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed. All of this is occultic supernaturalism. It's right in your Bible. And the common reaction is, well, that hasn't happened yet. That's not going to happen for a long, long, long.
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Certainly not in my life. I won't have to worry about it.
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We think we're getting close to this. And he doeth great wonders. And get this. And I want you to comment on this sentence so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. Does that sound like a ufo, God?
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Oh, it's just. Just allegory, Gary. I mean, that's never going to happen. Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Nothing to fear, nothing to worry about. When we. This is what drives me nuts. When we read our Bibles.
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Yeah.
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And we get with scripture like this, right? Where it talks about calling fire down from heaven. That's literal and that's shocking.
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It is shocking.
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We've never seen stuff like that before, and certainly not in modernity.
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We've seen ships hover over a reservoir and beams of light come down. People say, what are they doing taking water up into their ships? Nobody knows.
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Nobody knows.
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Right. But we do see these ships that cast down a beam that may look like fire. In fact, it may be real fire in the very near future when they finally expose themselves.
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Some kind of high frequency laser. I mean, who knows what it's going to be? But it's in the bio and it's literal. And this is what people don't get. I mean, if this is all coming upon the Earth and I understand, you know, I don't. I don't want to see the Antichrist. I have no desire to see this guy. But if we're in this window of time, More than likely he's already on the earth and he may actually be, you know, he may be right in front of us and we don't know it. And the reason why I say this, how many people showed up for the Messiah's birth? Nobody did. You know, I mean, you have to have a celestial invitation for some angels and a couple of shepherds went in there and, and thought. And then later on the magi comes, you know, two years later, whatever. So I mean, we think we know, but we really don't know. We see through that, that glass, you know, dimly. We don't, you know, okay, we have an idea, but we're not sure how this is going to look. But stepping back and looking, what's manifesting it is the UFO phenomenon, in my opinion, that and all of its crop circles. I mean, you know, the alien, the so called implants which may tie into the Mark of the Beast. And I've written about this and we've discussed it before, you know, what do you do with that? When these implants actually move underneath the skin, when the implants seem to be changing the host DNA, when they give off a frequency of 330Hz, or when they show up on a gauss meter and read it, you know, 8.0 or 8.5 milligauss. How is that possible? It can't be. It can't possibly. And yet it's doing all this. We have no idea what these things do, and yet we posit that they're actually changing the host DNA and they may be prototypes to the Mark of the Beast. And that, that's chilling because now it's not words on a page. Now it's like, oh my gosh, if we're right, we're handling prototypes of what may be the mark of the Beast. And we actually, In Watchers, Watchers 7 and 8, we interviewed a guy who was abducted, went up through the ceiling, the whole nine yards, had an implant and we took it out. And that's all on camera. That's hardcore physical evidence that something is going on and the church needs to address it. Instead putting a gag order on, you know, on our mouths and not allowing us to talk about it and then ridiculing us. One man wrote this hit piece on me, I won't tell you who he was. Wrote a hit piece that's all over the Internet. And I challenged the guy, called him up, emailed him rather, and I said, have you actually read any of my material? You know what his answer was? Well, I've skimmed one of your books. So here he is. He's blasting away on the Internet. He's never read any of the material.
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He has skeptically skimmed one of your books. Yes, and there's a lot of skepticism, and I can understand that. I can easily put myself in. In the shoes of someone who refuses to go there because it's too uncomfortable.
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It's very uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for me.
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My preacher never talks about it. My dad never talked about it, My mom, my Uncle Charlie.
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So why now?
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It's not in our family. We want to just live good, normal lives. We want to worship the Lord, go to church. Please don't bother us with these stories. And yet we're there. And I think the Lord's given you an anointing. There's never comfort in Bible prophecy. The Old Testament prophets actually sometimes died for their prophecies. They came and said things that people didn't want to hear. Now, I'm not saying.
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No, I. I get it. I get it. Trust me, I get it. I'm not saying part of me just wants to sell my property, take my money, I'm 65 years old, go someplace and disappear. And I mean that part of me just wants to disappear. I'm not. If you had told me 36 years ago, when I gave my life to Jesus, that I'd be doing this, I would have run another room screaming, you don't volunteer for this stuff. I mean, I was sort of groomed along the way. And, you know, here I am. And it's like, you know, some of it is very dark. I put on my armor daily, sometimes two or three times during the course of a day. And I have to walk in a very circumspect way. Very much so.
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I have to tell this little story because it fits so beautifully with what you're. You're talking about. I lived in Wichita, Kansas. I worked for an aircraft company, an internationally known aircraft company. And I was a pilot. And on a particular day, it was a Friday evening, as a matter of fact, just after sunset, this got newspaper and television coverage that you just can't believe. At 21st and Amaden in Wichita, Kansas, a UFO landed. Busy intersection. At the same time at Wichita Municipal Airport, a UFO was caught on radar, which is an unlikely situation. Usually they don't show up on radio radar. This one did. It flew over the airport, landed 3, 4 miles south of the airport in a field. The highway patrol went down there. It was sitting there, pulsing and glowing in a field. They were scared to death, didn't get out of their cars, a local reporter went down and took pictures of it on the ground. And the next morning, you know, it was all in the papers, it was on local television. And within a week it never happened. But it had an effect on me because this was something very, very real. And at that time I hadn't really begun to delve into what was going on here. Well, now, many decades later, I go back to that incident and I can see how that fits in to this whole development, latter day scheme of systematic desensitization. You show yourself, disappear, show yourself and disappear. And at first people say, oh, we just thought we saw that. And yeah, the highway patrol thought that they saw something land in a field. But, you know, in a few months it really didn't happen. And yet the seed's been planted. Well, this has been going ON Literally since 1948 and Roswell.
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Sure.
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And the method of the enemy is to desensitize people to this phenomenon so that they can scoff at it and say, well, it doesn't really exist and everything is okay and no problem. And yeah, some crazy people say they see these things, but this is the way Satan works. Not only in ufology, if you will, but in his entire character. He works by trying to convince people, I'm no problem, I don't even exist. And you know, this is the truth. La. A lot of people will just look you right in the eye and say, I don't believe Satan exists. What do you say?
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Well, they're, you know, that's exactly what the enemy wants. Because if you don't believe in him, then you'll never. You have no idea what warfare is and how to stand up against the God of this world, the God of this age. Unless the church teaches that and teaches how to put on the armor and begin to. Because Paul says it in Ephesians, we're fighting against cosmocriters, archons. I mean, it's all there. And it's just the church needs to understand that unless we begin to engage, we will perish. We will be just like Jesus says, unless even the elect would be deceived. If we're still here and something happens. And again, I point to 2 Thessalonians, which is a very, you know, I get it, it's a very controversial passage of scripture. But the bottom line is, what if the apostasia, the apostasy is the great falling away. If that happens, that begs the question, what would cause millions of Christians around the world to abandon their faith? And that's part of what we're trying to warn against, you know, like my friend the pastor in Malibu with 180 degree. He was overwhelmed by what he saw. He was captured by it. He wasn't rebuking first and asked questions later. He was like, wow, did you see that? The girl, the girlfriend that we talked about earlier in the car. Oh, wow, look at that orb. That was really cool. No, it wasn't. And that's, you know, and it's just like childhood. Then we're right back at the beginning.
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There we go.
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Right back in the beginning.
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Massive propaganda. And injected right into the middle of that is an L. A Marzulli, who wades in at full speed to try to warn people that this is happening. It has a biblical base. You can understand it through scripture, and you can prepare yourself for what's coming through prayer and Bible study.
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Amen.
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This is your message, right?
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Amen. That's it. Put on the armor of God, folks. Understand the tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times that we are living in. And, you know, take a stand, begin to tell people about the good news about eternal life, about the coming king
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in the next minute or so. Where are we in terms of prophecy these days? Somebody might ask you, how long? And we're all asking that these days. How long do you think it's going to be before our Lord returns? And I'm not asking you to name it.
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No dates.
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No dates.
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But I think it's soon.
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Tell everybody what you think.
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I honestly think it's soon. I think that we're in a window of time that unless he returns soon, because of the work of Tom Horn and Chris Putman, transhumanism, Unless he comes soon, there'll be nothing human to come back to. And that's another indication with all the GMO foods and the RFID chips and all the stuff and they're spraying in the sky, he's got to come back. He's got to come for his people. I know that your heart burns. My heart burned for the return of the king.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's our hope. That's our blessed hope. And there's not a night or day that goes by that I don't, you know, just go, let it happen, you know? Maranatha, Lord.
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Wow, L.A. thanks for sharing this time.
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Thank you, Gary. What an honor.
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With me and with those who have joined us, may the Lord bless you and your work. Brother. I can't wait until we can talk again.
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Yes, absolutely.
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I'm Gary Stearman. It's been my pleasure to talk to La Marzulli for the past hour. And may I just say, we're watching. So you keep watching too.
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Sa.